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COURT PROCEEDINGS IN the Taoiseach’s home town were twice shut down today, as activists from the National Land League of Ireland and Integrity Ireland staged courtroom protests.
The NLLI said earlier it planned to stage the protest at Castlebar Courthouse after being made aware of over 150 applications for repossession of homes. The group – which offers support to families facing eviction – said its aim was to point out that the court proceedings were “not only morally wrong but also lawfully wrong”.
Speaking to TheJournal.ie by phone this evening, the NLLI’s Gerry O’Boyle – who ran under a land league banner in last October’s Roscommon-South Leitrim by-election – again insisted what was happening was “totally illegal”.
Registrar Fintan Murphy called proceedings to a halt this morning after a group of protesters staged an action in the courtroom itself.
O’Boyle said court business was then moved to a different room, where proceedings were held ‘in camera’. He said demonstrators had been calling for a “blanket adjournment”.
More cases were heard after lunch – but again protesters disrupted proceedings, and two men were removed from the premises by gardaí. O’Boyle said they were let off with a warning.
Independent TD for Tipperary South Mattie McGrath said in a statement he believed the decision to ban members of the public from the re-arranged court session was “an affront to the basic and fundamental right of access to the courts”.
“This is a continuation of the policy that I highlighted last October where people enduring the trauma of repossessions and evictions were denied the free and unhindered assistance of people who turn up to support them in their fight to retain the family home.
“Last year the Minister for Justice told me that where there were ‘credible threats to the organisation of courts’ and ‘major security threats’ in the administration of justice, such actions were permitted.
“Now I ask you, does the saying of the Rosary and peaceful objections to the legality of the proceedings constitute this kind of threat?” McGrath said.
“I am calling on the Taoiseach, not only as the head of Government, but also as the TD for that area to immediately assure us that when it comes to these kinds of sittings, access to the Courts will not become the exclusive preserve of the banks legal teams.”
Additional reporting, Michelle Hennessy.
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There are people that cannot pay, people that will not pay, people that could have paid but decided to see if they would get a deal, and people that never intended to pay.
Only those that cannot pay should be supported
That’s is in a nutshell Kevin. There was so much misguided talk of debt forgiveness over the last year that you must wonder if some people decided to take their chances.
Big difference between those people who simply cannot pay.
Except in the case of buy to lets, the strategic defaulter hypothesis has been discredited.
In the case of the family home , unemployment, reduced income, increased taxes and outgoings as well as mortgages which were unaffordable are cumulatively responsible.
If you have proof or evidence to the contrary, the Central Bank of Ireland would like to hear from you.
Theere will always be a small small minority that will try to take advantage of any given situation. Like in the case of gross hill. But they are the exception not the rule.
When we are talking about a family living in a 2 or 3 bedroom semi that are probably not able to afford the mortgage any more, And more than likely should never given the size of mortgage to start with. Well then the banks need to take some responsibility. And either forgive some of the debt or come to a reasonable repayment.
Hey Anthony, look up a land leaguer on YouTube, his name is byron Jenkins.. Owes 750000 to the bank and outside cork court house was quoted as saying ‘I’m not paying back a cent; the banks ruined the country so for me to have to pay them back is immoral ‘
Fantastic person is Byron :)
Regardless of their circumstances or background.
Fair play to anyone who puts it up to this lying turncoat yokel government.
Fair play to anyone who puts it up to the criminal banks who heinously bust themselves and our country.
The vast majority of the people in mortgage distress are families who just wanted some basic shelter for their family.
They attained this shelter with the assistance of what was supposed to be a highly regulated, highly stress tested off the shelf financial product (a mortgage) sold by highly paid highly regulated “experienced experts”.
All of our banks criminally with their highly paid “experienced experts” criminally bust themselves and the entire country.
It’s pathetic to even consider trying to blame the man in the street for any part of this act of financial genocide.
Problem is and every town and village will have it. Some desided not to pay it at all. I know in my town alone where two men left their misses. Decided then f them in not paying for family home. Also then the cases where she might say in that situation that’s fine and she forces a sale or allows bank to reposses.the land league opposes these too. They get involved in domestic arguments.
There is far more than meets the eye.
Out of these 150 how many are families who lost jobs and really could not pay or even single people in same boat who GENUINELY could not pay and can provide records to show that. These are the ones that need help and protection. The chancers who I would say are the vast majority of repossessions today need no help from ff/land league.
Kevin White, when a self styled group , no matter if good or bad , closes down the courts of a democracy , the it is into.erable. The courts decide who is right or wrong not any cabal. This is serious stuff.
If you have a political issue with repossession, fine, run in an election. In fact, most of these figures have, and ddi can barely break 1000 votes.. Still, disrupting court rooms so you don’t have to pay back millions isn’t helping the people under any auspice
They took a loan,they gambled, if they can’t pay they lose the property, the end, that was the core element of the deal
Watch on line the hub ireland courts are corrupted as well
Irelands not a democracy. Irelands not even close to being a democracy.
Ireland is already ran by a cabal. International financiers, The politicians administrate their agenda that is all. Just because their is election doesnt make it a democracy.
So a judge grants an eviction order, but the land league know the law better than the judge? FFS. Shower of wasters
So a bank sells property puts nothing against your loan and Wilbur Ross gets 64 billion great little country
“So a bank sells property puts nothing against your loan”. Why?
“Wilbur Ross gets 64 billion great little country” Did he or are you making this up?
Some links about Boi below. If the McDonalds lose Gorse Hill all bets are off and Ireland is the Wild West of banking. neither the parents or adult children owe BOI any money. The implications of this case law will mean no one is safe in their home. Try to see behind the spin. If a bank doesn’t need an original contract then anyone can lose their home. The banks are laughing all the way to court and never losing due to people willing to blame themselves, or each other. Where is bailout money. Some of the vulture funds don’t sell the homes just rent then and keep the money. It’s insane what’s being allowed under the pretend strategic defaulters and scapegoats like McDonalds. http://m.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/shane-ross/wilburs-back-for-more-after-cleaning-up-at-boi-30354462.html
If im not mistaken the Land League was set up to protect poor tenants from unscrupulous Landlords not the “new” Land League they are headed up by a failed developer who owes millions himself and is a Fianna Fail activist that is a personal friend of one Bertie “no bank account” Ahern, their objective is to provide protection for people who live in Bog Standard palatial pads in Kiliney while 200 homes were repossessed in Limerick therefore they have no credibility!
Bertie ‘no bank account’ Ahern, that’s the best description yet… Excellent
They need to assess whom they support more critically ! Gorse Hill ?!?!
They weren’t getting much press before Gorse Hill. They are now.
No such thing as bad press.
I reckon Garry Glitter would disagree you on that one.
Was it oscar wilde or brendan behan who said
The only bad publicity you can have is your obituary
I can’t understand why they aren’t acting as their own press. Can someone please explain.
Where are the people they’ve helped? Where are the photos? the videos?
Not sure if the Anti-Eviction-Taskforce are the same group of people, but at least they seem more active. That’s who I’d call if I needed help in barricading myself into my house.
After gorse hill I just cannot take these guys in any way serious.
Why are you convinced Bank of Ireland are lily white that no banker would pull a figure out of his arse
Was that not New Land League? Don’t know if they’re the same crowd or not.
They are 100% same crowd; all made up of Jerry beades’ crew of merry men
I think it the new ex landlord league
Or so it would se
No respect for this version of the land league.
No its a far cry from the original Land League founded in Mayo.
This is the same land league who’s front man was part of Bertie’s Drumcondra Mafia, who owns over 16m euro to the bank?
They really have no creditably
And his right hand, tom D’Arcy, owes some 19 million, built his home without planning, and before becoming a hotshot developer was most famous for heading up the irish taxi drivers union, a semi cartel whose sole role was to oppose deregulation
No it’s not. Gerry Beads was chucked out of this group after his interests became apparent. This group is only to help those in dire need
Agree that the O’Donnell Land League crowd have no credibility at all! Either way though, it’s not good if court cases are held in-camera.
If they wrap themselves in their ludicrous movement, the land league, then they can portray themselves as martyrs when pursued for their own stupid debts. The nodding crowd will rise up behind them.
Jerry beades was ‘kicked out’ all the while he writes the press releases, the hub uses his building for free, and he is touted as ‘legal advisor’ by all these nuts
You’ve told us all this before,Wayne .. Just to help you in your research of the Land League you should Google Dr Finbar Markey ..Goodnight .
Richie and his ilk good ,people in arrears bad
Zero credibility after supporting Gorse Hill
had they any even before that?
You’ll find its a separate group that chucked Gerry Beads and his cronies out on their arse. No affiliation to Gorse Hill. Being from Dundalk I know its origins and they are only interested in helping those in crisis who cannot pay, as opposed to the likes of McDonald who secured his businesses with personal liability after the banks would no longer lend capital to his companies.
Don’t be coming on here with your facts Todd !! I saw the resident troll saying that yesterday :)
so are the they real land league or the official land league?
My sincere apologies. It won’t suit certain narratives. How foolish of me
In fairness…. if there is no label to differentiate between the two Land Leagues it gets pretty confusing!….. are there not also people who were involved in both?
The are the National Land league as opposed to Gerry Beads land league. When they distanced themselves from the crowd defending Gorse Hill they really should have went for some rebranding. I know the crowd running it and the are hard working people who provide those in crisis with support and give free representation in court to those who cannot afford it as you can not avail of free legal aid when fighting a repossession. Feel free to correct me but that’s the facts as they stand to the best of my knowledge
Thanks for clearing that up.
Not sure if your correct about not being able to avail of Legal Aid in relation to repossessions though. I don’t think it falls under any of the excluded categories (but I may be wrong too :) ) http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/legal_aid_and_advice/legal_aid_board.html
Not sure myself to be honest, but I think that was why they were set up in the first place and then went on to help prevent repossessions. I’m sure one of our many legal geniuses on here will clear this right up.
Isn’t it well for some protesting of a Monday, some of us have to work !
Horrible mentality.
I worked a 10 hour shift last night and camenstrsight from work to there. I’m still there. Well for me?
@Deaglan many many people work shift work. Which makes it possible to do other things.
Not all of us “work” in soft government-like 9 to 3 jobs where we can freely troll all day Deaglanu.
just a bunch of layabouts out to cause trouble nothing more. land league my arse just common riff raff
Im sure enda is terrified :D
Question. Do you have a happy feeling about people losing their homes or something?
If you borrow money from somebody why should you have to pay it back? The simple solution is to chant can’t pay will not pay. People who lend money do not deserve to be paid back because they have plenty of money. Money can be obtained freely from those who are in possession of a money tree – just ask SF they have such an item.
I have a great idea tap lets give you a can of white paint and you can mark the doors of the unworthy
Katie, everything is not black or white.
Tap Solny & Patjoejoe – Everything with you Pair & Baz …………. Is BLUE shirt !
It is if you are facing losing your home it’s disgusting to tip toe around these lies of strategic defaulters no one with children would put them through the trauma have you been to an eviction? Where did the bail out money go? Some vulture funds are just making people default and renting the homes nothing put against loan they only paid a few hundred for anyway. Wake up
I usually laugh out loud at you and Patjoeyjoey ,Sappy . Still laughing out loud :)
Hey, it’s not like the banks just push a few buttons on a computer and create a mortgage out of thin air or anything now is it?
The debt, like the loan is fantasy.
a few numpties disrupting court has shook the country to its core :D
@Tap you need to engage the brain here. In part I agree that if a person borrows money then they should pay it back. However in the case of the banks they never loaned any money because they had none. They created the amount in their ledgers based on their investments holding strong. When the investments collapsed they were paid in full by the Irish tax payer. So not only did the bank not lend money to these people but if they are tax payers then the bank actually owes them money.
In a world where we all play fair I pay you what I owe you but in this world the banks and govt have screwed us and I don’t see why people should have to give up their homes to satisfy the banks particularly when most are actually offering the banks what they can afford. The prices on the houses were inflated by the banks not having any limits on what people can borrow so developers could put prices on houses of €500,000 when they cost €80,0000 to build. No sympathy for the establishment on this one.
Patjoejoe if you are so clever why do you spell your own name with a small case p. empty barrels make the most noise.
Is this the same crowd who are protesting about gorse hill? I thought they were the new land league
Fine GAel Bankster Buddies. Wasn’t it FG’s Alan Shatter who fixed it so it would be EASIER for banks to repossess !! Imagine….. As if it banks needed any more help from the Irish government. Shame on Alan Shatter and FG and bring on the election so we can rid ourselves of these vultures who are feeding off us. Lets elect someone who is a friend of the people not the banks
And Coco it seems that debt forgiveness by the banks is almost exclusively for the big speculators, property developers, corporates, TD’s former TD’s etc etc, some of these enormous debt write offs could have written off thousands upon thousands of fairly minor mortgage arrears on family homes?.
Not to mention the very same banks got a debt write off to the tune of €64 billion, all the while the Central Bank looked on as bank after bank speculated wildly and indulged in corrupt practices during the so call Celtic Tiger era.
The class divide in Ireland continues unabated.
I just love your comments on this issue ,William . You always hit the nail on the head :)
William you got a green thumb for your profile picture have a big one on me leg beside Walt jabsco.
Cheers Paul use to have the same t/shirt back in my early 80′s heyday.
Oggie its these same banks that got bailed out by the Irish people and ever since they have given nothing back in return, not implementing European interest rate deductions, refusing to lend money to the likes of SME’s, upping all their bank charges meanwhile clogging up the courts with repossession notices, many of these notices didn’t have to go before the courts but it seems the greedy banks have no interest in communicating with the borrower even if the borrower is making an effort to pay, just toss these faceless people in front of the courts and see what happens.
The same bankers and government TD’s for that matter won’t be there when the Bailiff comes a knocking with a repossession execution to see the pain, anguish and the overwhelming despair that envelops the parents after receiving the repossession notice while the young children look on wondering what the hell is going on?.
Faceless pawns to be dealt with by a stroke of a pen, while they look down from their Ivory Towers.
You got a red thumb from a bankers son,William :)
Fine Gael don’t believe anyone has the right to a home. They don’t even believe you have a right to water for f sake. It’s every man for himself in this boat didn’t y know. Only the strong survive and all that.
People don’t have a right to live in a place that they borrowed money for and are no longer paying back. They council will provide them with a house on a means tested basis.
What a country; We now have a split in the land league – next we’ll have the ‘real land league’. Splitters!
No, it’s the Continuity Land League you’re thinking of.
I much prefer the Provisional Continuity Land League – they are the true descendants of the original Land League.
is there a dissidents land league yet? its hard to follow these idiots
At least they’re giving ye something to whine about lads ..
No Patjoejoe there is a dissident blue shirt call Renua and they are hard to follow, not that i would follow either them or the original blue shirts as they are both fascist.
Dealgan not that I agree with the antics of this outfit, I do have to raise one point with you.Do you think every worker in this country works 9 to 5 Monday to Friday?
Shift work and self employed dont count when your paid to ridicule people , imagine the types of sociopathic friendless cretins that actually do it a living .
The absolute reality is that only a very small percentage of repossessions are hardship cases.
In some cases, people just believed Bertienomics and borrowed too much. You can’t blame the government for individual errors.
The Land League are especially unlikeable as they represent the speculators who made the problem so much worse.
Tom,
Since you are so certain of the “absolute reality” please enlighten us as to your data sources. You need big back up for your proposition of fact.
As for your opinion on the new Land League and its representation, I’m inclined to agree.
I and many of my colleagues pro bono represent families in danger of losing their modest homes. In all cases, the recession and austerity measures have caused the genuine financial hardship, real hardship and real looming disaster.
His 50 grand local PR officer will deflect any criticism of Kenny with his teflon shield of bollixology .
How is the land league protesting anything that Kenny needs to deflect? The land league are a joke movement to most after Gorse”Bog Standard” Hill. Their leader needs to get the memo that using a thesaurus to dress up illogical arguments doesn’t make them valid
“Seismic shift” Five point plan….nice one Enda, if you really want to help Ireland instead of filling your pockets with taxpayers money then resign now! You are not up to the job and care more about your boss Fuhrer Merkel the people who elected you. Just bugger off to your nice well paid job in Europe but people have had enough of your incompetence , thanks to you more Irish people are being evicted from their homes since the Famine.Just go away for Gods sake……
You forgot ‘Firewall’ and ‘Stability’.
Sign the contract .
People would pay their mortgage if they could afford it. The link between mortgage arrears and Austerity is undeniable. The people who may be able to pay and wont are a minority . People see the broken laws of the financial industry and broken promises of the political elite “brown nosers” and think these jokers pay for nothing . That’s what people are thinking. The money grab by the few and the bill tab paid by you. People are after a new system. Dont look down look up if you want to fix anything I this country. Broken System .
When Baldy Noonan was invited to, and went to gatherings of Vulture fund managers, what else can you expect. The banks waited until house prices were on the rise and only then did they move to repossess homes. And the government passed legislation to make it easy for them. The banks caused the problems in the first place, the taxpayer bailed out the banks. Now with government assistance and approval, the banks take advantage of people in difficulty. What a great little country to do corruption in.
How can any ordinary home owner expect justice or fair treatment in a country where the largest government party is populated by property speculators and landlords, aided and abetted by the legal profession.
There were over two hundred cases in ennis\limerick few wks ago not a word about them!!! Landed gentry maybe
jail these idiots and throw away the key. simple
Nice that you signed off boi
And give BOI another bailout quick they make the sunshine and are doing a great job there are no bankers telling lies!!!!!!! Wake up
why don’t the police just baton charge them and the problem is solved. repeat if necessary
Why don’t you just kindly pi$$ off,boi
The Spanish Magistrates no longer grant possession orders, the police and fire services in Spain no longer cooperate with evictions and locksmiths refuse to change locks.
The concept of community support and solidarity are more developed in Spain.
The Courts and Magistrates in Spain are now nicknamed the “Robin Hood Courts”.
Is the Registrar in these cases an uncle of our famous “I wont Pay” Paul Murphy TD.
Ireland is not only a failed society … it is a despicable society …. one I would not wish to live in.
Irish Banks who were given €67 Billion evict people out of their homes.
Neville-Kepler62F, I regret to say that I’m arriving at a similar conclusion.
It is extraordinary to read so many people baying for the banks to repossess family homes and who show no sympathy for distressed mortgagors or any understanding of the actual circumstances, the real circumstances, which have caused their financial problems.
So many people support the Banks saved at a cost of more than €67 billion.
The Banks created the problem. Now the banks seek to take advantage of the very problems that the Banks created.
In camera?
Drastic. Wouldn’t happen in Killiney.
In point of fact banks dont loan money to people seeking mortagages they take the signature of the person seeking a mortagage and use this to create a primossory note this creates the money and this is the money that appears in their account, the bills of exchange of 1882 allows this to happen, so when the person who bought the house makes payments these are paid to the bank principal plus interest, the bank also sell the primossory on to a third party so they get double payment, the bank also take out insurance on the mortatge which they DiDnt loan and get paid three times and they get paid a fouth time through repoession so the bank get paid four times for a something which they never loaned out in the first place
What needs to be highlighted and understood, is the vested and fraudulent interest the Registrar holds by being the SHERIFF for the county. He is paid a commission for EVERY property he repossesses.
This is not just secluded to Mayo, it happens across the entire nation and it is FRAUD and WRONG.
Check the video from Reality Ireland on youtube of what happened with the Gardai and their shutdown of constitutional right of access to the courts and justice, their refusal to prove the order issued preventing access, and their general dirty attitude to people in this incident.
Ireland a lawless land hijacked by gangsters
Not the same values as the original I think?
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