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BOTH ENDA KENNY and Micheál Martin have failed to be elected Taoiseach for the third time.
Kenny lost out by 52 votes to 77. Martin lost out by 43 to 91.
Speaking in the Dáil after the vote, Kenny invited Martin to meet with him “to authorise more discussions on the formation of a government”.
He said he would use the next six days to redouble his efforts to form a stable government for the people.
Kenny said it was time to focus on government formation “with a sense of urgency”.
Addressing the Dáil, Micheál Martin said making a commitment to voters to not go into government with Fine Gael was not something they did lightly.
I for one believe that putting behind us all the era of “Ah sure isn’t that what you say during an election” would be a major start in re-establishing public trust in politics.
He said the “mind-set of trying to spin and control everything” needs to end.
In recent years the obsessive daily spinning defined an approach to governing which has been decisively rejected by the people…… To be very direct, we will not get to an agreement unless there is an abandonment of the manoeuvring and inflexibility we have seen in the last week alone.
Voting
Labour’s seven TDs abstained from the vote on Kenny and Martin.
Two independent TDs voted in favour of Enda Kenny – Michael Lowry and Katherine Zappone.
However, earlier Zappone tweeted that she would be abstaining.
Fine Gael TD Simon Coveney thanked Zappone for backing the acting Taoiseach.
Independents abstain
After weeks of discussions with the two establishment parties, a group of 14 independent TDs, said they would abstain from the vote for the position of Taoiseach of the 32nd Dáil later this afternoon.
In a statement, signed manually by the 14 today, the group said it was stepping back from talks with Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil on the formation of a new government.
They said they would not engage with either party until a “reciprocal agreement” is made “that they will give mutual support to each other” in the case of a minority government.
Sean Canney, Michael Collins, Michael Fitzmaurice, Noel Grealish, John Halligan, Michael Harty, Danny Healy-Rae, Michael Healy-Rae, Finian McGrath, Mattie McGrath, Kevin ‘Boxer’ Moran, Denis Naughten, Maureen O’Sullivan and Shane Ross all signed the statement, which called for a minimum three-budget agreement.
Speaking ahead of the nomination vote for Enda Kenny, Ross said his group had offered to facilitate both parties in the negotiations to form a government.
He said it was “unacceptable” that Fine Gael were refusing to state that they would support a minority-led Fianna Fáil government. He said it had to work both ways.
He also said that his group does not appreciate being given ultimatums.
Pick a side
Yesterday, Fianna Fáil warned independents that this afternoon’s poll was the last opportunity to vote for Micheál Martin to lead a minority government.
Talks due to take place between Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael last night were put on hold late yesterday evening.
John Halligan told RTÉ’s Morning Ireland that neither of the parties had told his group how a minority government might work or what part independents might play.
Halligan added that he believed it was “unfair” for ultimatums to be put to independent TDs before they had answers to these questions.
Denis Naughten had similar comments to make this morning telling Morning Ireland there was “no point putting a government in place that is going to last for five weeks or five months”.
Speaking on RTÉ’s News at One before the statement was issued, Willie O’Dea said the meeting was dropped because “it’s a futile exercise to get into detailed with discussions with a party that may not be able to lead a government”.
O’Dea said it was not clear if Fine Gael would get the numbers. He called on the 15 independents involved in the government formation talks over the last few weeks to take a position.
Earlier today, Fine Gael’s Simon Coveney said he hoped today’s vote would clear the way for talks to progress.
‘Make up your minds’
A number of TDs said it was the citizens that were suffering while the political stalemate continues.
In her maiden speech in the Dáil today, Green Party member Catherine Martin made an impassioned speech.
Richard Boyd Barrett said the two establishment parties “can’t stand” that they cannot control both sides of the house, while Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald said “neither of you are fit to be Taoiseach”.
The numbers are the numbers… you need to make up your minds. Do not insult us by prolonging this farce.
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I wonder about these migrants all the same, one was interviewed on newstalk this morning and wanted out of Hungary so they broke down fences and disobeyed lawful demands.. they asked him where he wanted to go and he picked Sweden, UK Germany and Ireland.. good old social welfare countries. if you were fleeing for your life surely safety was your main intention
Not for this lot. Word has got out where the choicest benefits can be found.
Nope. Nothing to do with “benefits”. Germany and Sweden have publicly agreed to grant legal status to the largest amount of refugees.
Want legal status? Aim for the countries generous enough to offer it.
diarmuid , that’s very naive of you to think that it’s nothing to do with benefits
Yeah there not going for the benefits but for the excellent and world renowned German and Swedish cuisine. I hope for your sake you never receive one of those emails from Nigerian royalty.
@Suzie – Diarmuid is pro-muslim and pro open borders based on his comment history here.
Diarmuid who campaigns tirelessly against IRA terrorism now wants to replace it with Islamic terrorism. This is the sheer scale of idiocy we are up against and it should be no surprise that he is a massive supporter of Fine Gael.
Lol. FG’s response has been pathetic on this.
By the way, you can’t claim benefits in a country if you have no legal status there. Simple stuff.
People are going to Germany and Sweden because they have confirmed that they will offer legal status to over a million refugees.
Nothing to do with “benefits”.
In the Internet age: people will try and abuse systems, and twist them to their own advantage.
Not ignoring the fact many are genuine refugees fleeing war and danger, they can apply for asylum in first country of contact.
They are trying to exploit them situation, and the system, to gain advantage for themselves and their families…..they are human.
However shod this be allowed, that is the question.
In my view no, helped provided safety and support and emergency assistance until the wars end, then returned.
If they were Irish or Germany or European citizens then do more but they are citizens of their own countries. They should rebuild like we did in Europe after our WWII
diarmuid , you said that people are only going to Germany and Sweden because they’ve confirmed that they will give legal status to them , which in hand means that they claim benefits , no ? but if course it’s nothing to do with benefits diarmuid sure it isn’t ?
So by gaining legal status they will be entitled to acess the Swedish and German social welfare system. So like I said they’re heading there for the benefits. Glad to see we’re in agreement.
Diarmuid you are a big supporter of the party who has systemically gouged the most desperate in our society so it comes as no surprise that you seek to inflict more hardship on them by importing illegals that will burden the state and lead to cutbacks and tax hikes.
By gaining legal status you gain legal status!
Better to be in a country which recognised you legally, than a country which doesn’t.
Pretty simple concept xenotrolls!!!
diarmuid , it is very important for them to be in a country which will give them legal status because without it they won’t get there benefits . you know this but sure you won’t admit to it .
‘You can’t claim benefits in a country if you have no legal status there’ Take a deep breath and think before you comment.
Aren’ t they entitled to legal status in Greece, if they are found to be genuine refugees, and isn’t Greece illegally bound by EU legislation on this, so for purposes of their legality, being processed in Greece is no different to Germany, unless of course some EU countries offer better benefits and other countries are less prone to ww2 guiltripping and therefore more likely to send them home if they are found out to be fakesters, bogus asylum seekers!!!
* their *
shocking to see the boats coming in on the other side all full of men. are people blind? serious questions need to be asked and just as i predicted… isis are helping with the boats and taking the profits. who is providing isis with support?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32770390
yeah… ye are all been fooled if ye think its just a refugee crisis. well played there elite forces, well played. hopefully it can keep yer slave economies going for a few more years until the next war.
The UK is adopting a far more pragmatic approach to the migrant question. Instead of opening the flood gates to refugees they are talking about taking in 20,000 refugees over the next five years.
As long as those who come here are vetted and we know who we are letting into the country.
Please help families/women and children first.
There seems to be a large number of young single men in the photos I’ve seen. We need to help but We don’t need trouble
This crisis is going to rip the EU apart. The Easterners and Spain who are not serfs to Merkel’s will are already going their own way. Look to your own Kenny instead of looking for a pat on the head from Frau Merkel.
Spain (40 million population) is taking 6,000 refugees. Ireland (4 million population) is now allowing in 5000 refugees. Shows how weak our Government is.
The Interior Minister of one such state, Bavaria’s Joachim Herrmann, accused Merkel of driving on without first clearing it with the Bundesländer governments which will have to deal with the consequences of her move.
The German people will get tired of it.
Will the rich kid volunteers handing out packages every day to migrants be there for the next 12 months and the years after that.
All the right on types who are offering beds, will they accept their guests long term, for years in many cases. When that is done will they accept a new one straight away, as the German approach guarantees that next year will break all records.
The same enrichment that has made Amsterdam the gay bashing capital of Europe and where Jews have to have armed soldiers stationed outside their schools in France.
The left activists just moved to even more salubrious areas, not their problem. They’ll walk away from this as well.
Good thing this Government have never been re-elected.
The wider German people who are not screaming hysterically on social media (as the people who are pushing this are) are already tiring off it. Anyway the Twitterati will move on soon. Last month it was the lion before that the Kim Kardashian’s arse,and before that throwing buckets of ice on each other’s heads.
A short Rant Indulge Me.
This response to this crisis reminds me of the ice bucket challenge,
Every one is on board offering bed rooms and the like,I heard one correspondent on radio last week say she was heading to Greece to help and to make sandwich’s for the people coming off the boats, If I was put in a situation that forced me to put my family in harms way because of EU inaction I would be mad as hell and a sandwich would be the last thing I would want
This buzz will last about 10 to 14 days then people will move on to the next Kardashian sex change car crash story, I can only hope for the people forced to take to the sea it’s sorted quickly without further loss of life.
Rant Over.
I hope someone told her not to hand out ham sandwiches!
The majority of the German people are showing endless humanity and compassion to their fellow man.
Clearly a resonance with the millions of German and European refugees displaced after WWII.
@Seamus Banna, if they call them hang sandwiches would it be OK ?
Spain ,Italy and Portugal all have over 50% youth unemployment, a dark moon is rising…
Chini you can try it but at your own risk. Some of those lads get very easily agitated by the looks of it. If they throw away food and water in train stations in Hungary just imagine what they would do if they found out that you had fed them ham!!
I love how they’re making it appear as if they’re in negotiations with the Germans. Reminds me of The Simpsons episode where the American ambassador to Australia negotiated Bart’s punishment down to a booting.
I think its spelt ‘hang sangich’
It will end badly, the feel good sentimental rescue spirit will quickly fade.
As the reality of cynical economic migrates emerges, these people are trying to play the system. Also clearly have no respect for European borders or police or rule of law.
Resentment will grow over time when people see that they were taken advantage of, and no one returns home. Or ever intended too.
There is already a worrying rise of the extreme right across Europe, and votes in UK for exit based on the immigration issues.
This will be a tipping point and good lead to national socialism once again in many countries, with isolationist views, and nationalism rising….all very alarming prospects.
Ah Dont worry Seamus.. When the Muslims demand we ban sausages and rashers the Irish people will finally show them the door… We dont need a far-right element in this country we have the good aul boys of the Rasher n Sauage Brigade…. hehehe
You lost me at ‘holohoax’. Care to explain?
No, you got the whole internet at your fingertips, go do some work and look it up. Besides if you got lost at one word you that you are brainwashed about and provokes a pavlovian response and cannot stick with the main point being made, then you were never going to address the point about immigration in the comment.
Sertorious/Scipio
As a pro-Israeli, are you not concerned that you have so much in common with Holocaust deniers like this joker above?
Fair enough I must be brainwashed so.
@dairmuid,
Pro-Israeli eh?
Therefore you must be a racist like that state, and xenophobic, and not believe in separating church and state.
Also pro breaking international UN borders, and pro illegal occupations.
Explains your unbalanced views, the cognitive dissonance of supporting such a disgraceful country could warp any mind eh?
Yes Sertorius you are. Truth does not fear enquiry, only lies and a constructed narrative needs an engineered legal edifice to keep it standing, hence why it is illegal in France and Germany to bring actual evidence to court which contradicts it. Just go and google it. Always question, including what I tell you, anytime however you find that your questions are no longer allowed, or that opposing opinions are censored, then that should set off alarm bells in your head, unless of course…..you are brainwashed. Ask who has benefitted from it, and who continues to use it for modern immigration policies?
“a worrying rise of the extreme right across Europe”
See how f-ing extreme your enrichers will be.
Idiot, these extreme patriots are your saviours after you ignored their warnings on immigration, wars in the middle east, muslim gang-rapists, no-go areas, open-border lefties wanting an end to Europeans, open-border business class wanting access to infinite source of expendable cheap labour.
Nationalists are the medicine and you worry about them?
that’s been your f-ing problem all along, don’t worry, you’ll soon experience what the nationalists talked about and go crying to them to save you.
Spain had a precedent of Arabic invasion in the past. They know well how high the price for that would be.
Such a grateful bunch of “refugees”
See, these people are just hungry, greedy arseholes. I saw a similar video in Calais; 6 African gentlemen living in a tent, complaining bitterly about the conditions (there was a hole in the tent) and expressing a desire to relocate to the UK. I couldn’t help but think what a bunch of lazy, useless wasters; they’d rather sit there and complain as opposed to simply mending the hole. Between the six of them, they hadn’t the cop on to take this simple action to improve their collective lot. Wasters….entitled wasters.
And these excuses for human beings will ruin the opportunity for genuine refugees.
Like I have said before: we have to ask ourselves, cui bono – who benefits from flooding our densely populated continent with 100,000s of people with only the cloth on their back? Who benefits from the cultural differences that will lead to contempt, and from there violence? Who benefits from letting them come to a place that will be ultimately hostile to them? Who benefits from the cheap labour they can bring? Who is sending them and who is letting them in? Who gives Enda and Co. their orders? Who needs a distraction from their crimes?
I can guarantee you it’s not the common people, be they Europeans or non-Europeans, Christians or Muslims. We must take control, while helping the genuine refugees before it’s too late.
These groups like Cork To Calais are a bunch of clowns. I saw a comment on one of their FB statuses, asking if they needed any feminine hygiene products or kids’ stuff. Ah, we don’t really but we may find a use for them. Idiots!
Ha ha. ‘Cork to Calais’.Are these people for real?
Sorry, “Cork to Calais”? What’s that when it’s at home?
Heard about that horrific story. Funnily enough the Journal never posted anything about it.
@Vin Some crowd organising a convoy to bring provisions to the migrants at Calais. I think Limerick has one as well.
That’s because the Journal is every much an agenda driven rag as anywhere; fluffy, encapsulated nonsense like Donal O’ Keefes article calling for Ireland to open our borders and accept 40,000 are happily circulated while the realities of what is unfolding on the ground are swept under the carpet. Why? Probably because it’s easier to manipulate people with pictures of poor drowned toddlers rather than showing the blatant sense of entitlement and rank criminality that some of these “refugees” are bringing with them. It’s a much harder sell as opposed to guilting us…
There’s a sucker born every minute.
Time is running out for these self serving fools who don’t give a tinkers curse for anyone other than themselves, the sooner we have an election and get rid of these greedy self serving fools the better.
yes but who should we vote. is there any party openly against this invasion? please?
Well said iurach
Open-border Extremists creating hostile and dangerous conditions for you and your children to live:
The leftists who want to destroy white ethnic Europeans along with the business class and their slave-liar politicians who can’t wait to get their hands on cheap labour to undercut our own workers are both on the same side against the rest of the Irish nation.
Anti-immigration patriots have warned you. Pro-Immigration traitors are helping to destroy you.
“What a difference 9 months can make. In January 2015 Lesvos was essentially a “Red Island” the island voted overwhelmingly for SYRIZA with 32.97%, followed by New Democracy at 30.39%, The Communist party at 10.81%, ANEL at 5.30%, PASOK at 5.12%, Golden Dawn at 4.66%, and POTAMI at 4.26%.
Today, the island literally burns, an estimated 30 thousand Afghani, Pakistani, Syrians and other assorted desert people roam the once wealthy and peaceful island, rioting, looting and breaking into houses. A Greek woman was stabbed today and robbed, she survived but the story did not make it past local news. The numbers continue to grow and the once “progressive” leftist residents are now in a state of shock at the lack of police protection for them and their property.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8X9oay_mo8
!!YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!
Indeed you have been warned but the message is not getting through. Closer to home we have this which should set alarm bells ringing..
“At least five Muslim men have been sentenced to a combined 82 years for their roles in a child sex grooming ring in the picturesque market town of Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire in the South East of England.”
This child had been raped so often on a daily basis that she had no way of telling who the farther of her two babies were. She was between 12 and 13-years-old when she was abused. The judge made a telling comment when he said that “the Asian community looked after their own, while the native one failed to do so”. There are more trials to come and the lesson is that white female children are seen as easy targets by the very type of people that Kenny/Bruton wish to inflict on us in very large numbers.
I’m left leaning politically, but I do not endorse or recognise this open borders approach. It’s madness.
Well Vin…I’m a straight down the middle guy and all I can see Left and Right of me is a very deep chasm.
Could we perhaps persuade Joan Bruton to visit Malmo without a gang of Swedish Government cover-up merchants surrounding her ? Or to take a trip to Kos or Lesbos? Surely she would want to check the reality of the situation before committing Ireland to the same ?
Your media supports open-borders, they hate Europeans, they lie to you to manipulate your emotions to get you to support open-borders.
Aylan Kurdi’s family had FREE housing in Turkey, while father’s story is full of holes
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/family-of-drowned-toddler-aylan-kurdi-had-been-given-free-housing-in-turkey-while-fathers-story-is-full-of-holes/
“Details about the Syrian family of the three-year old boy, who drowned as they made their way to Europe from Turkey on a small dingy, began to emerge recently and some things do not add up.
According to The Wall Street Journal, Abdullah Kurdi, the little boy’s father, was living in a relatively safe area in a Turkish town for three years while working on construction sites for 50 Turkish lira (roughly $17) a day.
It should be noted that Tima told reporters Thursday that the family just came to Turkey last year, even though WSJ points out he came to Turkey three years ago, and his Facebook “shows pictures of the family in Istanbul crossing the Bosporus and feeding pigeons next to the famous Yeni Cami, or new mosque.”
Here is the full story behind the reasons why the father decided to leave safety.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZUuoaq1MLM&feature=youtu.be
Folks..Enda is away with the fairies… http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-isis-want-to-blow-up-newgrange-we-must-allow-refugees-in-ireland-694839.html
I thought Sarah Palin was funny, but she hasn’t got a patch on our Enda….lol
Al , when you think about it , that’s just embarrassing !
Am not sure if I heard this correctly on RTE’s main 6 o clock news last night but did anyone else hear Minister Simon Coveney saying that 32% of those coming ashore in Europe are Syrians. That means the majority, 68%, are from elsewhere!!! Why is this being presented as some kind of humanitarian mission to help Syrian refugees when, according to our Minister of Defence, the majority of the people don’t even come from Syria!! Do we have a functioning media in this country that actually looks at the facts and asks hard questions? No.
I posted this comment here almost 2 hours ago, but it seems as though it’s been taken down! I wonder why… :
“Lads, they’re shoehorning these brutes in for a reason. You think they don’t know that a portion of these people are inherently troublesome people – especially the Sub-Saharan African men who are probably looking for asylum from prosecution for rape and/or murder.
DoB, Peter Sutherland and the likes are praying for them to do this here so that people will be pre-occupied and distracted from what they’re pulling.
I think we should only let in people who can prove they are from war-zones and that they never took place in violence there. But, you see, Joan and Enda won’t bother because they’ve been told not to vet them. Being the idiots they are, they’ll follow their orders. Madness!”
Divide and conquer is the name of the game! Goldman Sachs International Chairman Peter Sutherland talking about bringing unlimited AFRICAN immigrants into Ireland – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVmg37snifI
that’s amazing how fast the inconvenient truth video being removed from youtube. All good or nothing about scammer refugees, ah?
Kenny simply does not know. He simply does not what to be cough on word. He does not decide. Frau Merkel does.
@ lurch (ah! It must be the Jews then!) Have you a little mustache by any chance, perhaps you might like to share you vast knowledge of the siruation instead of “it ain’t the muslem, Christian blah blah!”
@ vinhefer. …we are going to get 40k anyway, ..the silence of our “patriotic” politicans left or right, I think even if they were carying an AK47 (and the ubiquitous little child!!) our mob would say it was just a cultural thing like the black tent that they force their women to wear!!!
Are we seriously taking 5.000 of these people?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X2rmA9A7CEM
Yeah only problem is that after the election you will either get the same shower back or another crowd that are more or less the same.what we need is true democracy. The primary people need to make the decisions about all issues including the numbers of refugees that will be allowed to settle here. It is perfectly possible inn this age of smart phones to refer these q questions directly to the electorate rather than having Joan Burton dictate on the matter, nobody elected her to flood the country with refugees. If the Germans want to build up their Labour force and compensate for their low birth rate that is their prerogative but other countries that want to maintain their identity and do not want to be flooded by migrants have a right to say no.
they’ll have to try and integrate them first, good luck with that, then teach them to speak german, good luck with that as well. there won’t be much of a labour force if she thinks they’re all coming with degrees. id watch that as well, that she doesn’t try to offload the lower skilled on to innocent nations and keep the engineers to herself. remind you of something?
How will we (Europe) know who’s coming in? We could be letting in members of IS. If I was a leader in IS I’d send hundreds into Europe and wait until the time is right to attack.
Just my opinion.
We won’t thats the problem all they’ve to do is ditch any identification and be able to speak Arabic then they can claim to be Syrian and it’s easy street for them straight into Europe’s heartland. We are making the entire continent a soft target.
They’ve know idea. Merkel and the Eurocrats are making this up as they go along. Despite the apparent of joy from a few Germans welcoming migrants there is deep disquiet about all this amongst the wider German population. Especially in the East.
i have an idea for dealing with isis, isil IS or whatever politicians and the media is calling them this week. perhaps the US, UK arabia, israel etc. could stop arming funding and training these nutjobs. right now the threat of terrorism is being used as a justification for invading countries and destabilising regions. it is simultaneously is been used to take away public liberties and silence people at home. problem reaction solution.
are there religious nutjobs? there surely is. however these morans are being armed to create a manufactured terror threat.
we are told that the US has been leading international air-strikes against them for over a year but somehow they are continuously gaining ground and the public is told their numbers are always going up.
this is more propaganda to try and convince the public that isis is a real threat. many people are starting to realise the absurdity of this group and ask questions. they have the best PR team in the world,they are over social media and the web.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heX4q-VZmS0
They’re still gaining ground because airstrikes are ineffective in halting an advance across a wide area without an effective force on the ground to compliment them. If you believe that the US, Uk and Israel are supplying those savages I suggest you remove the tinfoil.
Your opinion is correct Tom Kelly.. ISIS threatened a “psychological” tactics if Libya was interfered with and kept its word with the launching of boats with migrants and ISIS militants. This is common knowledge. The fools in the media won’t look into this.
It’s such a pity that Cameron/Blair [ I still think they are one and the same person ] wrecked the British Forces. The Brigade of Gurkhas would soon sort the Daesh out and I have fond memories of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders clearing out Aden.
The Argyll and Sutherlands had no business there, squatting with rifles in another’s country.
I have fond memories of them being sent back in boxes from Aden.
No you don’t Lennox in spite of your spittle flecked comment.
“Order was restored in July 1967, when the 1st Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders entered Crater under the command of Lt. Col. Colin Mitchell and managed to occupy the entire district overnight with no casualties.”
About 68 of the occupying force were killed.
The Aden “emergency” went on for about 3 years. I’ve no idea why you just picked one month.
Terrorists threw a grenade into a children’s party being held at the RAF Khormaksar. One girl was killed and four children wounded.
“I’ve no idea ” You said it, not me and read what i said again until you understand it ““Order was restored in July 1967, when the 1st Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders entered Crater under the command of Lt. Col. Colin Mitchell and managed to occupy the entire district overnight with no casualties.” I was there ,you weren’t and the casualties ended when the Argyll’s took over.
But back to the root cause of this flood of ‘refugees’ Daesh. The Gurkhas would soon rout them and put an end to this tragedy.
You do accept though that the people of Aden had a duty and a responsibility to fight back and take out British soldiers who were occupying their country.
You surely agree that every soldier that went back in a box was justifiable?.
If not, why not?
Aden is not the topic in this article.
there is no doubt there are genuine people in danger coming through but many aren’t. not just that, those that are genuine, their culture and will to integrate AND respect ours is greatly questionable not to mention our ability to sustain it while 130,000 are on the housing list. Duplicates my h**e, they’ve never told the truth about anything.How the f*** can someone be on several housing lists? This is 2015 not 1991. They denied the ash cloud, denied thousands would come from eatern europe, denied irish water was set up to be privatised. you can’t keep telling lies to people, they will turn on you eventually.
Tom,
you could be right. David Cameron’s method of processing them from a refugee base only is sensible. You have to be in control of them & not let mob rule like last week where they were militant & making demands as they walked the roads of Europe. God only knows how many economic migrants were amongst that crowd & so many Strong healthy young men.
what about humanity for our own people also
Doesn’t need to be a trade off Mick.
Just raise the taxes I pay from a marginal rate of 55% to 75% then pay wage increases across the public sector and rescue all the poor in the world. Problem solved eh?
The most endeared country per head of population = Ireland.
And damn fools like me paying for it all, time to emigrate myself I think. The educated middle class will leave this country, how much more can you expect us to pay?
Surely we have he right to the money we earn working, at least the majority orbit, otherwise we are just tax slaves for a welfare state…….
Diarmuid, it’s not about trade off, it’s a point, meaning why hasn’t the government pulled out all the stops for our own people,
If we’re going to be taking in thousands of refugees, that’s what we should be found, it’s only right.
But what of the homeless in our towns and streets? Have they no voice?
Surely if we can find room for these poor refugees we can also find money, housing and food for the homeless economic Irish/non irish refugees on our streets.
Plenty of money and space for both, just no bloody will to do it. The government only taking these refugees after they were shamed into it.
Surely these 5,000 people will also want their relatives to come, so the 5,000 could be at least 25,0000 and this process is likely to go on for years, not months. Merkel has said that Germany will be changed forever, she could have said the same about little old Ireland.
@Go Green – Shouldn’t you be showing concern for all the extra carbon emissions that are going to be generated by there presence here?
‘their’
We many never agree on climate change, but at least we agree on some issues Dude.
“This is about humanity” – This is about Peter Sutherland ramming through a cheap labour force project to maximise profits for his corporations and their wealth funds.
The media are attempting to mould the opinions of the population who are vastly against this disastrous irreversible ethnic plantation that will be a disaster for Ireland as it currently is for England, France and Sweden.
The selection process has not been explained, will we take what Merkel sends us?
and don’t forget the fuel of the orchestra.
http://newint.org/blog/2015/09/07/uae-human-rights/
its clear how desperate their intentions are in how they use the media. let the people have a say in this, not ye dictators.
Are the Gardai trained and equipped to deal with these mobs?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a72_1441482662
They won’t stop coming. There are millions upon millions of people accross the middle east and northern Africa. Turkey and Greece can’t cope with the numbers already there. Will Europe let in a certain figure and then close shop leaving more to die on our tv screens? I don’t think so
That is some level of entitlement and arrogance.
“The Greek island of Lesbos has been turned into a war zone by rioting migrants, leaving the island’s 85,000 residents in despair. Around 25,000 migrants are currently camped out on the island with hundreds more arriving daily, leading to frequent violent clashes and rioting despite their claim to be fleeing violence.
Located just 6 miles from the Turkish shore, the migrants come over in inflatable boats which they cut up on arrival to prevent being turned back, expecting to be able to quickly travel on by ferry to mainland Europe, German station RTL has reported.”
@Chini Might be a lot emigrating to Australia, like the guy did after a an anti-water charge protest.
They don’t want the cameras to show them being cared for. They want to play victim card. madness and it needs to stop
Is fr Merkel feeling well? Is everything ok with her? I’m worried.
“Would you send your children across the Irish sea in a rickety boat when you don’t know if they’re going to get there?”
I’d chance it seeing as they only have to go 3 miles off shore before the EU ferry service would pick them up.
Well the evidence clearly shows many people doing exactly that, in the case of that poor toddler last week, the father has admitted as much.
He wished to leave the safety of the refugee camp to enter Europe and hopefully join other family in Canada, for economic reasons.
He decided to take the risk that his family would die, and trusted smugglers he paid.
He was seeking to be “smuggled” into Europe, even though he was already in the safety of a UN run refugee camp.
Why are nonsense statements like that not demolished with the actual facts, we live in a PC mad, group think, sentimental say what everyone else says, and not use independent thought of critical faculties at all.
Drives me mad
Google it’s actually worse than that because they were in their own apartment in Turkey not a refugee camp and that wasn’t even enough for them.
The picture that launched a thousand ships and sunk a continent
Your pandering to Angela, Enda is sad given the homeless crisis here. Not long to election…
Yes we should bring in several thousand refugees However be honest Enda they will also bring family members later so the 5000 quickly will become 20000
What kind of Europe are we forging for our grandchildren? And don’t give me any of this multicultural crap because I’ve lived in a middle eastern country…they don’t like to multi with anyone! And my second point….will these people that are resettled in this country be spread out fairly? or will they be jammed into working class neighbourhoods? Douth ill see any of them in Foxrock any time soon!
Ireland will be ruined as a country. It’s already a diluted version of the welcoming spot most people grew up in, but this will finish Irish culture off forever.
We are laying the foundations for an Islamic State.
This will be Ireland for our Grandchildren Darren https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9up0CLLPPpo
Call to prayer 5 times a day and people getting insulted by xmas trees and pork served in the same buildings they work/live/shop in….they will not integrate into Irish society.
That is very disturbing….
agreed Darren but nevermind them being insulted by xmas trees, try looking at the no-go areas in Europe, increasing and growing.
We and our children will be living in a hostile environment, our treacherous self-serving politicians and open-border extremists like Irish Network Against Racism and other NGO’s and media need to be brought to account for their actions against the Irish people.
The government cannot give us a concrete figure of how many illegals we are going to take, the number increases everytime someone is asked. They still can’t tell us how many of their extended family will be allowed to join them or where they will all be housed? They can’t tell us how much this is going to cost and they can’t guarantee the illegals won’t get any preferential treatment over our own poor and destitute. They have no clear plan in place to deal with this invasion and are pandering to their Euro dictator. One of the worst things about it is there is no journalist in the country with the cojones to put these tough questions to the government.
Awesome rant “Enforcer”.
It’ll be around a few thousand.
They won’t be “illegals” if their status is legalised by the way.
If they are smuggling themselves into Europe from surrounding countries with UN refugee camps then they are illegal. Under all current law.
Refusing to be identified / fingerprinted is illegal. Entering countries with documentation deliberately is illegal.
If genuine refugees they should apply in first country of contact, otherwise they become illegal migrantes.
Europe may be trying to make some exceptions to the Dublin convention, but there is a long way to go before agreement is reached. Until that time that remains the law, and can be enforced by any member state that chooses too.
I predict we will see many countries choosing too very soon.
they’re waiting to see how much money merkel has on offer. handed down to her from the world leaders pushing it.
good post enforcer, They want it all kept low key, like they do about the asylum scammers already here. costing millions, while a man lying on a trolley for five days waiting on a hospital bed, mention refugees and the alarm bells ring. The migrants nonsense has nothing to do with us, Tell that Dictator Merkel to fuk right off, EU exit will sort her out.
Well they still will be illegals because no people consents to being invaded. Manipulating and guilttripping people into doing what you want them to, is still not the people giving their consent. No race on earth not ignorant of the facts and dangers, has ever given their consent to destroying themselves or giving up their territory. The European people NEVER gave consent for mass immigration or this. It is all against our sovereign rights and thus will always be illegal thus they will always be illegals.
They’re waiting to see what plum jobs on the EU gravy train Merkel will offer them and how big the pension packages will be.
a realistic picture. Good post
Well I can assure you all who enter Ireland will be Vetted thoroughly, Not…
How many of our young are working in dangerous places because of his and Joan’s policies. He’s not too worried about them, or the man with Cancer left for five days on a trolley. We are in a rickety boat……..thanks to him
This is about humanity enda. But to show you care about humanity , how about start at home. Where citizens of the country you are taoiseach of need some humanity shown to them.
It’s not a zero sum game.
Nothing stopping us showing compassion at home and abroad.
Send Enda and Joan to Syria and take in a limitless number of refugees. Fair exchange…
We already help abroad with what we can afford, we assign a portion of our GDP to help.
All while being the most indebted country in the world, having the lowest entry point into to top rate of tax, and the highest marginal tax rate on 50k in Europe.
It’s not either or, but priorities, and well thought out rational stances on issues.
Instead of knee jerk, feel good, no thought, nonsense
ah sure the people at home don’t help anybody, they’re selfish they’ll tell you. you’d really need to starting doing yer maths and calculate how much money we’ve fired in to third world countries since WW2. Has anything changed or should we just keep on giving and giving while nothing comes back just abuse from those who wouldn’t give you the steam off their p*** but seek out every opportunity to PR their name.
Nothing stopping us closing our borders and showing compassion at home and abroad, like we did all before this mass immigration scam
Nothing stopping us except the relentless media onslaught, completely one sided and lacking and balance critical analysis.
Nothing except the obvious opinion shaping using social media and non stop commentary conforming to only one view.
Finally of course the sheep like consensus loving masses who refuse to think for themselves, and just take the latest trendy opinion, then pat themselves on the back in a big stupid feel good hippy hug.
Typical pattern and seen again and again, create a reaction using focused media, then use it in policy. Easier than trying to sell it to the electorate.
It is about ensuring that the rich middle class Labour vote stay with Labour. It is virtue signalling.
It is not about the migrants or Syria, as if cleaning out Syria’s middle class will help that country rebuild in a few years when the war is over.
5ooo will turn to 15k with family reunification and with Germany signalling for one and all to come it may be dealing with double the numbers next year.
If Labour can’t hold a few seats in South Dublin then its existence as a party will be in doubt.
Good bye the welfare state in a very short time if this keeps up.
Tin hat stuff Lennox.
DeerMUUd the Deluded left wing fascist troll
“We will step up to the plate because I think we are all conscious that our forefathers left this country in pretty rickety boats as well and really, as Europeans as well, this cuts to the heart of the European project.”
No it doesn’t! It cuts to the heart of British rule in Ireland that exiled prisoners to Australia (ever watch a soccer match Enda, listen to what the Irish fans sing) and allowed a genocidal famine in Ireland that cut our population in half. It’s got nothing to do with Europe or what your boss Angela has to say. I’ll bet you won’t mention the Famine when David Cameron is around though. The reason that you don’t want to be fixated on figures is because you haven’t received your orders from the Reichstag yet.
What nonsense is he on about this is at the heart of the European project? Rehousing half of the middle east in Europe has nothing to do with the “European project” there isn’t a European amongst them in fact their culture and world view couldn’t be further from Western ideals. I really can’t wait to see Enda out on his hole and Merkel cry as her euro empire crumbles.
The “European Project” is the twaddle that is rolled out each time a bunch of subservient Quislings try and talk up the sell out of their country to Germany and to a lesser extent France. The reason the EU was set up was to stop another war with Germany who quite smartly used banks instead of tanks to bring about it’s Fourth Reich.
The premise is simple, recruit a bunch of sell out politicians and promise them nice well paid jobs in Europe for their loyalty. Promise the Sun, Moon and Jobs to the various native populations if they will sign away their sovereignty little by little. When people finally cotton on to what is going on you allow in hordes of people who have nothing in common with “Europeans” to invade the EU and while the natives are fighting the migrants the ruling elite settle back and watch their “divide and conquer” strategy work beautifully. Anybody who opposes unchecked and illegal migration is immediately attacked by EU groupies who try to bully others into submission by labeling their opponents “racist, xenophobes etc” but who will scurry off at the first sign of people standing up to them.
The EU will be an Islamic state within 100 years if all this immigration is left unchecked. So merkel and Germany would really need to have a serious look at themselves and stop this lunacy before its too late.
Ze Germans have said they will take in 800, 000. When they reach that figure and there are still hundreds of thousands coming over ,Ireland and the rest of Europe will be put under major pressure to open up. The sh*t will hit the fan
We emigrated legally to the states during the famine, and legally to the UK and legally to Europe and other countries.
We never traveled world claiming refugee status, and storming trains and trunks, refusing to be documented in cynical attempts to reach countries of choice to exploit the system.
Comparisons to Ireland are bull
enda knows nothing about humanity!
Indeed, in response to his question:
“Would you send your children across the Irish sea in a rickety boat when you don’t know if they’re going to get there?”
I would not send my children in a dingy accross the Med without lifejackets especially as they country these people are “fleeing” from – Turkey – is NOT at war. They are safe there. They want to travel to Europe for economic reasons. And why would people flee into ISIS controlled territory – Libya- to pay ISIS to smuggle them into Europe if they were fleeing from ISIS.
This guy is totally clueless about the world. What absolute moron of a leader.
if you say anything bad about mass immigration and multiculturalism you are labelled as a racist. problem reaction solution, many of these migrants come from war torn areas. the same politicians and other high profile individual that backed bombing libya back to the stone age backed the wars of aggression in iraq syria and afganistan (all of which were based on lies) are now calling on countries in the west to commit cultural suicide and take those migrants in.
its divide and conquer.
something to consider why is multiculturalism only happening in white countries. think of what the demographics of those nations is going to be in 3 or 4 generations.
who could blame the migrants? most of them are only looking to make a better life for themselves, i would likely do the same. however they are being used as pawns in a game.
watch this i don’t agree with all of its points but it doe prompt a person to ask questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMfk5UeGw4E&list=PLJgDzB_Zc6TIjDFtr45cof3RiewSrVv4Q&index=2
this government is greatly out of touch with the public who they work for on many issues including this one. peoples heartstrings are being pulled by the media with the stories and they are not thinking with their brains about what is happening and how they are being played like a fiddle.
If Multiculturalism had not been encouraged or tolerated then I think that there would not be a crisis now.
If integration had been a condition of being let in, not negotiable, drop your previous life/customs/religion and fit in then it would have been seamless.
this government are ruled by outsiders, they’re no good to us. we need a GE and vote them all out. They say immigration was never on the agenda for any election, well it will be this time and it will be for the UK come 2017. Sick listening to them, the people of ireland want this, want this? your polls and a couple of thousand out protesting? 100,000 people out protesting against IW for what they want and ye won’t listen to them? ye are completely SICK and deluded.
Humanity my hole. Judge a government by its actions not its words. 1200 children homeless, medical cards taken of chronically ill kids, cuts to lone parents and child benefit, support for vital services for the most vulnerable decimated.
These people are the ultimate ‘street angel, house devils’. Threaten, bully, harass and intimidate at home, but once they step outside the door of their state they’re all smiles and handshakes and falling over themselves for headrubs from the big boys and girls.
Any assistance for the refugees must be accompanied with action for our own homeless crisis as well. Theres 2/3rds of a BILLION of our taxes going overseas in aid. Even for 12 months, take that money and lets put a serious dent in the problem.
Generally agree with your last paragraph (after you got your perfunctory anti-government dig in).
Welcome to the debate For Connolly.
“Theres 2/3rds of a BILLION of our taxes going overseas in aid. Even for 12 months, take that money and lets put a serious dent in the problem.”
We can’t. It’s agreed to and won;t be changing. And if you’re so concerned about homelessness why not look up north where your party are ACTUALLY.IN POWER
Cos the homelessness rate is HIGHER there than in the south.
It is about time this business is taken care of at its source instead of flooding Europe with a mass migration that will alter it forever with this irreversible foolishness.
We’ll have a special cabinet meeting..then I’ll tell them what to agree on.
Horst Seehofer (Bavaria’s prime minister), together agreed that Merkel’s green light to the migrants stranded in Hungary had been the wrong signal to give. Seehofer said Germany cannot accept nearly all refugees who are coming to Europe, adding:
“There is no society that could cope with something like this. The federal government needs a plan here.”
Germany has controlled the media focus on this and placed emphasis on numbers. Cynical that last week EU stats showed Germany at fullemployment and there is no clarity on whether we are looking at refugee crisis alone or badly handled migration as well. Clarity as well as real action needed.
One word….holocaust.
Being used to guilttrip Germany into silence. Germans no longer allowed to own their own country.
One word. Reason.
Use it with critical thinking and analysis.
To much to hope for?
John Halligan TD should join a pseudo-left party like Fianna Fail. He would fit in well with them. They are not genuine centerists. They claim to be leftists but they support this migration which are mechanisms of globalization ! Puppets of the EU.
The left gave up on economic reform and decided instead to focus on social issues.
This coincided with the fall of the Soviet Union but also with a new generation of left activists who come from the middle and upper classes.
So….what do we do next year?
The UNHCR has just stated that they expect 450,000 to attempt the crossing next year 2016 … http://news.yahoo.com/unhcr-plans-450-000-mediterranean-refugees-2016-121522147.html
Seriously, this is just the beginning, with the news that the EU has opened it gates unrestricted…..the numbers will increase to an over whelming and unmanageable situation.
Next year has been defined by Merkel this year.
Germany talks about taking 500k next year.
They have thrown out the rule book .
to add, they talk about 500k but they alone will be facing a million +.
Lads do we not have any say in this? Can a massive protest not be organised for this? Our country is about to be invaded by Islam I would like to be on the front line fighting for our national identity.
We do need one but I can bet the Journal would do a report on it and label us all racists and then people would fear showing up to the next one.
Start supporting any anti-immigration parties or people, that is the first step. It is not only our right to say no, but our duty to our ancestors who fought to give us something precious and our children and descendants. Time to put a stop to this emotional blackmail and manipulative scam.
your comments have already been noted and filed under ‘ones to watch’. you are a hindrance to their dictatorship and will put you away if you speak out against it.
MUSLIM MIGRANTS THREW 12 CHRISTIANS OVERBOARD TO THEIR DEATHS BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT PRAYING TO ALLAH WHEN THEY ASKED GOD FOR HELP WHEN THEIR DINGHY SU
When a rubber dinghy carrying around 100 African refugees across the Mediterranean began to sink, a Nigerian Christian prayed for his life in an innocent act that would end in the deaths of 12 fellow migrants.
One of the Muslims on board the rickety craft ordered him to stop, saying: ‘Here, we only pray to Allah.’
When he refused, a violent fight ensued and 12 Christians drowned when they were thrown overboard by the Muslim refugees.
The tragic news comes amid reports that an unprecedented 10,000 refugees fleeing war and persecution in Africa have been rescued by Italian ships in the past week.
But over 900 making the perilous journey have either died or gone missing since the start of the year and 400 migrants died in two shipwrecks last week.
Those who witnessed the African Christians being murdered on the crammed dinghy told investigators how Nigerian Muslims became angry at Christian who started praying.
‘They told him that they would throw him overboard if he didn’t stop praying to God,’ he said, according to La Republica.
The witness added: ‘They started shouting, two pushed the lad and he fell in the sea and drowned.’
The Muslims ‘went mad’ and began screaming “Allah is great” before they attacked migrants who tried to defend the boy, according to The Times.
even the syrians, the genuine cases are saying whats happening on the ground. those that were attacking them are joining them. such a mess. they should never EVER have started to pick them up but they’re directed to by the very ones trying to create wider control. isis are providing boats, taking the money as well to fund their own campaign. sure look at the images and videos on the med side, mostly men.
That’s a pity because the people are gagging for an election :-)
Lets face it enda and joan, ye don’t have a clue. Ye never had a clue. And ye never will have a clue!
And the whole countrys suffering because ye don’t have a clue!
the European union, facilitating the spread of Islam. all religions in the world live in peace and tolerance except islam….. there sole purpose is the spread of Islam around the world. be careful what you wish for accepting refugees in… it may not end well.
There is also financial terrorism, what religion excels at that? Very select tribe, see themselves as supreme, guess they’ll reinforce their power position on top of the world after all this plays out.
Why is any European leader even discussing taking a single person in? What have these people got to do with us? They have no historic, cultural, linguistic or religious link to Europe. There are about 60 countries in the world that could be classed as Muslim dominated. So removing Syria and the other 4 Muslim countries in which these refugees are at present that leaves around 55 and take away those other countries currently in conflict it leaves about 37 that could accept these people that would have a common language (Arabic) and have the religious infrastructure in place for their spiritual welfare. But not one has stepped up and said “these are our fellow Muslims. We will take X amount”.
And how many of those currently invading Europe would go to these other countries considering they would not be able to claim the benefits generously provided by European Governments meant for European citizens?
“Why is any European leader even discussing taking a single person in?”
Because there really is a globalist/NWO strategy to flood white countries with the Third World thereby breaking down racial, ethnic and religious cohesion and national identities. Our politicians have been bought, blackmailed or otherwise induced to support the strategy. The evidence is there before us in spades (if you’ll pardon the expression).
QUISLINGS KENNY, FITZGERALD, BURTON and COVENEY should be tried for HIGH TREASON for the BETRAYAL of the IRISH PEOPLE, its CULTURE and its SOVEREIGNTY the E.U/UN and the ISLAMIC DEATH CULT… Shame on all of you for you dont own Ireland…. You are the KEEPERS of the NATION THAT FUNNILY ENOUGH IS FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF IRISH CHILDREN….Vote IDENTITY IRELAND to safeguard your CHILDREN and GRANDCHILDREN’S FUTURE
High Treason is what it is. But then, listen to these wise words from a 17th century Englishman.
“Treason never prospers. What’s the reason? For should it prosper none dare call it treason”
Countless billions to look after this “migrant issue”. Why not spend the billions obliterating the root of the problem, dash/Isis
I dont want to sound like William Wallace or Brian Boru but, if a hoard of radical Christians were bearing down on my family the last fxcking thing i would be thinking about doing is running off to America for “a better life”, you’d be up outside the barrack’s volunteering IMMEDIATELY.
With that said i believe we should take some Women and children from these Syrian camps, i say this because in the Scandinavian countries where they’re enjoying Multiculturalism sex crimes against women have sky rocketed since 2007/8, i will not allow my family to be exposed to this potential risk, take SOME in and spread them far and thin and monitor them.
I was happy to hear we were going to help out 1800 genuine refugees but now it’s 5000 probably leading to closer to
20000 with family members included.. That’s a bit much for the state to cope with I reckon.. I hope it ends up working out or there will be a lot of angry people in Ireland..
I think the governments of all countries being asked to take people in In such high numbers should look at the infrastructure. I’m thinking mainly of hospitals. Article on here States a elderly gentleman suffering from cancer was on a hospital trolley for four / five days. If hospitals cannot cope with the present populous. Is it right to add to their burden who is going to suffer most. Because this influx is going to be year upon year ever increasing not decreasing.
I feel another taskforce / quango coming on more jobs for their overpaid pals. Yes we should help these poor unfortunate people but a lot of thought and planning needs to be put in place including ensuring our own homeless are looked after first.
if Germany wanted to be good should have helped Greece instead of putting the poor country on its knees !!!
America, UK, France and Germany should take them as its their fault for all this war in the first place.
funding the de-stabilization of Middle eastern countries for too long. they should clean up their own mess.
We should prioritise Christians , we have accepted enough Muslim asylum seekers in the last 15 years we do not need any more , if we have to take people we should be selective and choose those who will integrate and it’s very clear throughout Europe that Muslims are least likely to assimilate and more likely to cause difficulties in the future , we should consider very carefully how this will affect Ireland in the coming years and our children’s future
But our globalist overlords want the invasion to break down ethnic AND religious homogeneity. Hence the Religion Of Peace works better.
How about we say No thanks to these chancers like the Eastern European states
The paradox is that the the Gulf states who called for the liberation of the Syrian people from Assad and have directed billions of dollars to the rebels, have not absorbed refugees, while the poor Arab nations like Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt have received millions of refugees, when these countries do not even have enough water for their citizens
Hope Ireland sponser a UN resolution condemning the Gulf stated and S Arabia for this
This country still has to see the problem the UK had in the eighties, Tottenham, Brixton, Handsworth etc integration will be the fuse to blow this country out of the water.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34171687 Here I was thinking food and water(which they don’t seem to want either) were vital.
I see that Muslim welfare tourists – whoops, I mean refugees – told the Hungarians to take the Red Cross off the food donations as they found it offensive.
Will someone tell Joan Bruton to be quite. She won’t look after the people here. Now she wants us to look after refugees. The was no money to save lives or help others without loads of paper work now none needed
That’s right. We’re unable to house 600 homeless Irish people yet somehow, miraculously, we’ll be able to find accommodation and welfare for thousands of Africans, Arabs and Pakistanis.
The UN would never allow Ireland to select only Christians It would be again their rules
We always do what the UN says
Other countries don’t hold the UN in such high esteem
It really is none of the UN’s business Matter for countries of the EU.
If we are supposed to be a democracy we should be allowed vote on who we want to enter our country. Let the people decide not or spineless government.
Labour are clearing attempting to bounce FG into accepting a maximum number. But their hands are tied because at 6% they face wipeout, and there are no votes in this.
I meant “clearly attempting”
None
The UK has said it will take people directly from refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan. They have also said they will prioritise the most vulnerable including orphans, widows with children and religious minorities like Yazidis and Christians.
Has the Irish government given any indication if it will take a similar approach?
Ireland could make a real difference by acting to save entire communities like the Yazidis or the Syrian Armenian population for example.
Also will only people from Syria be taken? Eritrean’s fleeing a military dictatorship and forced conscription are surely also deserving of help.
There are potential benefits for the EU in taking in people but we have to ensure that we integrate them and instil in them a respect and indeed an affection for secularism and liberalism so that they can help to transform their own societies when/if they return to those countries.
“There are potential benefits for the EU in taking in people but we have to ensure that we integrate them and instil in them a respect and indeed an affection for secularism and liberalism so that they can help to transform their own societies when/if they return to those countries.”
Good God, you ARE naive! It’s almost miraculous the amount of vapid fatuous aspirational fact-free waffle you crammed into a single sentence. Yeah, I’m sure all those ISIL wannabees can’t wait to convert into liberal democracy-loving secularists once they get here.
If you’re any way representative of the general public we really are f****d.
@Kevin just as a matter of interest do you know the difference between Sunnis and Alawites? Do know anything about Syrian history?
This was said in 2012, read between the line connect the dots to current situation: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395
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