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Oh dear: Apple Maps has made some pretty big mistakes in its Ireland maps

Poor Coolock. It deserves better than that.

SO IT’S FAIR to say at this stage that there’s been a glitch or two with Apple’s new maps app.

Since the new operating system iOS 6 became available to Apple users last night, people have been noticing mistakes in places names and locations throughout the Apple Maps app. Lots and lots of mistakes.

Here’s just a few of the most egregious errors that we’ve noticed so far:

It was inevitable that at least one placename was going to get mangled into something slightly naughty. Sorry, Coolock, in Dublin 17. Hopefully Coolcock doesn’t catch on:

Who knew that Dublin had a second airport? Minister for Justice Alan Shatter isn’t too happy about this

Corkonians may not like this one.  This is what happens when you search for “Cork city, Cork”:

Here’s that well-known area in Dublin called Angiery Camden Core. Wait. What?

And of course, there’s Ulsara in Dublin’s south inner city. Well known to everyone for being between South Georgian Core and Southside Ranelagh. Um…

Meanwhile RTE has literally disappeared off the map…:

… while TV3 has apparently migrated to Hartstown in west Dublin:

Finally, Dublin Zoo has been relocated to Dublin city centre, just off Grafton Street. At least that will make it easier for the tourists to find it…

Over to you – anyone spotted any other gems on the new Apple Maps app? Let us know in the comments…

Screengrabs: Dublin Airport: @aleeshajulia/ Coolock: @RoxyBlue86/Dublin Zoo: Kilian Clancy/All others: Susan Daly/TheJournal.ie staff

Read: ‘Alan Shatter concerned over fake Apple airport’ Statement of the Day >

Picture: Dublin gets new ‘airport’ courtesy of iPhone’s new map software >

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    Mute Paul
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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:02 AM

    2.5 times their rate on a Sunday. I shall say no more.

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    Mute Paul Wallace
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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:07 AM

    Jesus is that true ! Wow

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    Mute Liam Treacy
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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:28 AM

    Ive 2 kids in UK and 1 in Oz. all 3rd level educated. Balance the books and allow the economy to recover.

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    Mute Finbar Mc Donald
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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:53 AM

    Paul my be we should cut the 2.5 rate for every one in the public sector /semi state sector would not be long before blue flue and the A&E would be closed down, im sure the ESB would love that too

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    Mute Adam Power
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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:12 AM

    Go back to school Finbar and learn English, then go back to school and learn Economics.

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    Mute Finbar Mc Donald
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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:17 AM

    Adam ; arse@hole

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    Mute Chris Mcdonnell
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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:50 AM

    It’s ok they’ll be back to work after the bank holiday weekend

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    Mute Jeanniejampots
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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:52 AM

    Finbar I am a doctor and don’t get 2.5 on a Sunday neither does my sister who is a nurse.

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    Mute Finbar Mc Donald
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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:56 AM

    Im sure your not on 33, 000 pa

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    Mute Adam Power
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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:02 AM

    Which is in the top 6 salaries for bus drivers in The World ya eejit. Some inspectors on the Dublin Bus roster who have been with the company for years are on stupid money.

    Take away that stupid overtime and get things slightly under control.

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    Mute Finbar Mc Donald
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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:13 AM

    What with the insults .33.000 less taxes prsi other chargers top 6 wages in the world , have you nothing better to do on a bank hoilday that come one here insulting ppl get a lfe

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:15 AM

    No Finbar but I would think that seeing as I spent 6 years in college and a further 10 so far on on the job training to do my job that I do deserve to be paid a bit more than a bus driver. When I started out however yes I was on around 33000 and still did not get 2.5 on a Sunday.

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    Mute Adam Power
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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:20 AM

    @Finbar Im in work actually & we’re dead because of the bus strike.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:25 AM

    When you started out thats fine ,double time is the min payed out in any state job for a sunday or bank holiday , my point is if your going to cut one section I belive everyone should be cut , I dont work for dublin bus and yes im in work on a bank hoilday for a flat rate

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:27 AM

    Don’t worry adam they put you one the drive through It will get busy and your day will fly by

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:36 AM

    Who said you should be on a bus drivers rate .If you work on a sunday im sure your paid well for it , I know when my kids are sick my doctor has no problem charging me 55euro for a ten min of his time to

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    Mute Adam Power
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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:54 AM

    Ha not quite fast food, I’m in retail and lucky to be in it at that! So feel free to look down your nose at me, hopefully I’ll just be here another 2 years until I get my qualification in Accounting & Finance and then who knows? I might become your boss at the bank, judging by your appalling level of written English & terrible grasp on economics, that wouldn’t be very hard.

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    Mute Matt Connolly
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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:56 AM

    Keep talking Finbar – you’re REALLY helping your cause!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:04 PM

    Your right they are not Finbar, however that’s due to the fact they spent years at college studying for their careers which saves people’s lives. So maybe they should be on more money what do you think Finbar?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:05 PM

    So you want to be employed with a bank lol good luck with that one , im sure you will get 5 gold stars on your name tag soom , keep up the good work adam ceya

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    Mute Matt Connolly
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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:11 PM

    And there you have it – Executive salaries for the uneducated & unskilled – not even the most basic grasp of spelling & grammar.

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    Mute Finbar Mc Donald
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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:21 PM

    Not one bit matt

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:28 PM

    That’s a good start – stick to three letter words, you’re less likely to make mistakes.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:35 PM

    Lol god matt your a funny man

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    Mute Matt Connolly
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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:37 PM

    it’s “you’re” – see what happens when you push for that 4th letter. Know your limits!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:38 PM

    Finbar you know the way that you said 2.5 times the daily rate should be for everyone. Then you said about how your GP charges you 55 when your kids get sick, so would you be willing to pay 137.50 if they got sick on a bank holiday?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:41 PM

    Not a bad start but he is still missing the punchuation.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:41 PM

    Liam, nations do not need to balance the books as a business or household does. Most countries run a budget deficit most of the time. If your children have been forced to emigrate, it’s because the past and present governments have protected the interests of a financial and political elite at the expense of their own citizens.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:44 PM

    Two funny men it getting better

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    Mute Matt Connolly
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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:50 PM

    “it’s”. Finbar – walk away (or at least up and down on your picket line).

    Coddler – and also because unions only back semi-states that can hold the country to ransom, it’s all they know, while those who really need their support are left to their own devices. Bus drivers SHOULD be on student nurse rates, nurses SHOULD be on bus driver rates.

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    Mute Matt Connolly
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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:53 PM

    ….and because you’re still studying I’ll make an allowance for the mis-spelling of “punctuation”. Have it sorted by the time you graduate!!!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:56 PM

    GP visits are tax deductible, so it’s a nothing argument to begin with.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 1:00 PM

    I agree Matt. The student and newly qualified nurses should be earning over 30k, roughly equivalent to the bus drivers. The INTO has allowed its junior members and future entrants to be exploited.

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    Mute Matt Connolly
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    Aug 5th 2013, 1:02 PM

    Nurses should NOT be equivalent to bus drivers – bus driving is NOT a niche skill, jobs that anybody can do should NOT command a high salary.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 1:15 PM

    33k is not a high salary but it is a decent living wage (barely) in present day Ireland. The bus driver is at or close to his maximum wage at 33k. The newly qualified nurses should start at roughly the same level and then see their salary increase as they gain experience and responsibility over the years.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 1:21 PM

    The semi-state year-on-year salary increments, regardless of the economy or profitability of the company is on a par with upward only rents – wrong, wrong, wrong. & €33k a year IS a very high salary for an unskilled position.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 1:47 PM

    You do know that the Irish health service is not a company Matt? The banks though were private companies and it was the futile attempt to preserve them as such that has broken the economy and why the government now claims an inability to pay our nurses a proper salary. Wrong, wrong, wrong as you might say yourself.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 2:16 PM

    Do you see me supporting the bank bailout? – absolutely not. They SHOULD have been let burn, but the issue on the table NOW is a dysfunctional loss-making semi-state who’s staff are paid considerably more than they should be as a result of years of poor negotiating, give-away’s in return for union support & blackmail. Enough is enough. This particular “adjustment” HAS to happen.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 2:54 PM

    33k is a luxury to many. If you think that’s a barely decent wage – try living on less than 20k like so many others..

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:57 PM

    33k leaves one with little to live on after tax.

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    Mute James Hyland
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    Aug 6th 2013, 5:30 AM

    ther we go again BITCHIN about how much a man is paid for driven a bus on A Sunday/bankholiday ,
    well go out and drive it yerself on a Sunday/bankholiday
    give up yer free time
    give up the quality time ye share with loved one,s
    then tell me this strike is not worth it .
    up the busworkers they have me full support

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    Aug 6th 2013, 6:07 AM

    James I work bank holidays & I dont get near that x2.5 rate.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 7:41 AM

    Management off till Tuesday , varadkar on holidays yeah they really want this resolved don’t they. Just another issue which this government will sit back and wait for it to become unresolvable.

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    Mute Liam Treacy
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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:23 AM

    The public will vote Tuesday. None of the bus drivers will want picket duty then!

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    Mute Ross McCarthy
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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:41 AM

    Nothing to do with management nor especially the government. Drives refused to accept labor court. They should be left on strike until they cop on. Everyone has had to suffer cuts to overtime etc in this resession.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:00 AM

    So this is your answer to the members of the public who have no transport other than public transport. Very public spirited indeed.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:03 AM

    Can cars use the bus lanes while this strike is going on?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:07 AM

    Nothing to do with the government? Are you mad? The subvention had been cut by the government! The subvention is money given to the company to make up for lost revenue through ticket sales allowing people to travel for free. In plane english the government cut the money given to the company and expects the employees to take a pay cut to make up for this… so it has a lot to do with the government, especially Varadkar.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:01 AM

    cars can use bus lanes on bank holidays and sundays yeh

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:07 AM

    Wongster- you see there’s your problem right there. “The money being given to the company by the Government”…..taxpayers subsidising Dublin Bus.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:15 AM

    I see the unions are threatening to bring in the train workers now. There are clearly no depths of bullyboy tactics to which these clowns won’t descend. I really hope they’re stood up to and smashed. Need to be reminded they don’t call the shots in Dublin Bus or the country in general.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:22 AM

    Egg its a public service. Of course it has to be subsidised in order for it to offer free travel and operated non profitable routes. Otherwise it would be known as a private company. The key here is that the amount the tax payer contribute to the company to allow dublin bus to provide a public service is being cut by the government. And they expect the employees to pick up the tab.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:23 AM

    Brian before you get anyone a ticket you can’t use 24 hour bus lanes on a Sunday or bank holiday.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:32 AM

    Only if indicated.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:30 AM

    Being a bus driver, i just go on strike to solely cause massive inconvenience to the general public. And i love losing out on my weekly wage. Cop yourself on you langer!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 3:10 PM

    The ones at the top of this society have INCREASED their wealth over the course of the recession. So no not everyone. The only ones that seem to be feeling the pain are those that weren’t responsible for the recession

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:10 AM

    Of course they have a right to defend their pay and conditions but when the company is operating at a loss then you can’t justify the hugely inflated overtime and rest day rates they are being paid. It’s not just them who are suffering this country is broke and hundreds of thousands don’t have any income… No flat rate pay never mind overtime.
    What I would suggest is that a lot of these drivers take a few lessons in being polite to their paying customers.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:28 AM

    Firstly the reason we have overinflated overtime rates is due to the crap rate of core pay, for Me core pay is €20 more per day then social welfare rates.

    My bus is busier now then ever before, my passengers pay more now then ever before, the reason we are losing money is because we operate a public service, a lot of our routes are loss making and carry pensioners to hospital appointments etc. we are a public service, paid for by subsidies from the government and tax payer.
    These subsidies are being cut every year so the money can be diverted to pay guaranteed Irish bank bond holders.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:17 AM

    Tommy, your bus is busier then ever before? So its never been busier then this in the past at any point?

    Whilst YOUR particular bus might be, thats not the case across the dublin bus network.This is one of the reasons its operating at a loss, the other is high outgoings in the form of basic pay and overtime pay to drivers.

    Passenger numbers have fallen
    http://www.nationaltransport.ie/downloads/NTA_Consideration_of_Dublin_Bus_Fare_Increase.pdf

    “Dublin Bus estimates its numbers have fallen by 29 million in the period 2007-2010
    (18%). The company is estimated to make a loss of €41m over the same period. “

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:30 AM

    Tommy that is a complete and utter lie, there is no way that you’re getting paid 46.85 a day. (188/7+20) . You are in fact getting paid 137.50 a day basic before overtime and the rest of your perks. (33000/12/4/5).

    Have no sympathy in your protest for keeping your extravagant overtime.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:41 AM

    It’s 188/5. That’s how social welfare calculate, I believe.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:49 AM

    If your calculations are correct, then even on a 36 hour week 188/5 + 20 would mean just €8/hour. I’m not suggesting you put your payslip up, but you can work with your own basic pay scale.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:49 AM

    Well then (188/5+20) = 57.60, it is still a complete fabrication that bus drivers only get paid 20 quid basic more than the social welfare rate per day.

    Go back to work Tommy or would you like us to eat cake?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:28 AM

    You’re a .loss making entity that needs to be put in to administration. So what’s the solution Tommy? Do you’s want increased subsidies from the taxpayer to keep you’s in the lifestyle you’s are accustomed to? Are you’s suggesing that pensioners and those on social welfare are the cause of Dublin Bus’s financial woes? You’s need to wake up and smell the coffee, or else you’ll be seeing first hand whether you’ll be getting €20 less on social welfare.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:54 AM

    The sums below tommy paint a different picture. So by your post your on about €8 an hour. I have a friend who drives for Dublin Bus. Drives a nice 12 reg car has a lovely holiday at least once a year in the sun goes to a few premier league matches in the UK I won’t go on… I get paid more the €20 above social welfare rates but I can’t afford all those perks…

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:16 AM

    I’m really starting to hate Irish people . U guys are going mad because he is on an average wage . Ur friend drives a bus and drives a car and goes on holiday wow how dare he live a normal life but hey that’s the journal for ya full of moans and begrudges . If the job is so good why not join Dublin bus then

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:40 AM

    Maybe because most of us have greater qualifications and aspirations in life than to drive a bus around all day. There’s no justification for such a ridiculous and unsustainable wage and consider that taxpayer’s foot the bill, they’re entitled to wonder if their taxes are being well spent, rather than paying a bus driver 2.5x on a Sunday.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:58 AM

    I said me personally, I’m a married man with 4 kids. €432 on dole. €550 after tax etc working.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:18 PM

    What’s your gross pay Tommy and you also need to factor in all deductions plus the contributions to your pension. What about Btw, your figures are incorrect. It’s 188 + 29.80 x 4 + 153.60 presuming that the married man is aged 24+. What type of benefits-in-kind are you entitled to? Can you’s travel on buses free of charge and is that taken in to account in respect to your deductions?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:26 PM

    Ann, I haven’t done a complete breakdown, just looked at the pay side. I need a vehicle to work too as I start work before buses are on the road, so I’m guessing I could already be better off on the dole.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:54 PM

    Tommy, don’t try and justify yourself to neo liberals who believe a public transport system can be run at a profit. The same poisonous dogma also holds that a heatlh system should also be operated on a for profit basis. That’s not working out too well for most people in the U.S. who live in terror of losing their jobs and so their heatlh insurance.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 1:29 PM

    Well you’re pay slip gives the complete breakdown and with respect, you’re not the only one who has to use a vehicle to get to work because we happen to work unsocial hours. FIS is payable if you’re earning less than €824 net from employment per week for a family of your size. It’s basically 60% of whatever you’re earning net which by my calculations presuming that you’re wife isn’t earning is €164.40 based on 60% of €274.

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    Mute Matt Connolly
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    Aug 5th 2013, 3:30 PM

    Don’t even consider it Tommy, unless being self-employed starts actually costing you.
    €188 is a myth. By being self employed you will go straight onto jobseekers, by the time they’ve fully dissected you, you will get a fraction. You’ll save to save-up to buy a Sunday dinner for a family of 6.

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    Mute Shane Griffin
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    Aug 5th 2013, 7:44 AM

    If I wasn’t being paid enough or didn’t like conditions at work I’d look for a new job. I will never understand people who strike.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:02 AM

    Amen. Lazy ass drivers

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:22 AM

    What if you like your job but disagree with how certain things are done? What’s wrong with wanting to help try bring about change? Why would you think it’s acceptable to just walk away from a job you like? Your attitude is what’s wrong with this country – not this strike.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:52 AM

    They aren’t helping anyone but themselves with this strike.

    Its a cowardly strike holding the public for ransom, people in other industries don’t have this kind of leverage. If rather see people in the service industry get some more cash not these clowns.

    Bus driver is a 30k job you don’t need college for, pretty good. You don’t see people at McDonalds strike about their minimum wage do you?

    People like them is exactly what is wrong with Ireland, entitlement culture instead of hard work.

    Overinflated wages for normal jobs, overinflated prices as a result.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:11 AM

    Vikki- You are what’s wrong with this country. That union mentality. An employee is an employee. They do what they’re told, they get paid for their service at an agreed rate. They go home. They’ve no say or right to a say in how the company is run. Such rubbish. Get your wage, be happy to have a job and shut up. If you don’t like the terms, leave and find a new job or set up your own company where you can make all the decisions you like.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:44 AM

    Egg, are you Michael O’Leary by any chance? You sound like him with that clap trap you’re spouting. Pure unadulterated sh!te.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:51 AM

    Lord- you need to grow up, man. We live in an open market economy. Your employer isn’t your mommy. He or she is your boss. They call the shots. If you want to work for a collective where everyone had a say, go find one of the few communist enclaves left.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:57 PM

    Yeah egg, because as we can see over the past few years, capitalism works!! When the sh!t hits the fan, it’s not the “bosses” and well off who pay, it’s working classes. I for one don’t mind a 10 mile round trip walk to work because I support the Dublin bus workers. Just a shame more unions don’t stand up for their employees. That is all.

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    Aug 6th 2013, 7:57 AM

    @Egg, to be fair, I don’t think this is an entitlement issue – the labour court recommends the drivers accept the cuts and the union is looking for clarity about how widespread the cuts are – ie: will management be affected too. Would you listen to yourself? It’s this “keep your head down, you’re lucky to have a job” bollocks that has us all in this mess. I support anyone that takes action and says enough is enough. Strikes are supposed to cause inconvenience – some of the comments above, granted not by you, are just ridiculous – they’re on 33k, I’m not supporting this strike because I earn less and had to walk to work this morning – there’s your entitlement culture right there!

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    Aug 6th 2013, 8:04 AM

    @Egg, ehm no we don’t live in an open economy – we live in a mess of free market policies bandaged together with protectionist policies to prop up our flagging industries – if it was a true open market, we would have allowed our banking sector to collapse, go through the austerity and see the sector rebuild naturally, or not, depending on market needs. Instead, we propped it up with a blanket guarantee and went through the austerity anyway.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:09 AM

    It’s a race to the bottom for pay & conditions lads, wake up!

    I’m glad some of you can find work at the drop of a hat when a fly lands in your soup. Others are not as fortunate & I’m glad to see Dublin Bus staff standing up against the bullies & trying to protect their income!

    Keep your anger for the bankers & government, they are the people who ruined this country not the guy who drives the feckin bus!

    Well done ladies & gents at Dublin Bus, ignore the ignorance & begrudgers here, you have more support for your cause than you think!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:16 AM

    Well said Royston

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:39 AM

    Its amazing how facts become distorted over time. What ruined the country was allowing government spending to rise to €55bn per year. That in turn required stamp duty and vat to pay for it and encouraged the bubble. When the bubble burst we had to go back to balancing the books and were left with debts we accrued while allowing a bubble to develop.
    The voter accepted the €55bn spend and rewarded Bertie with re-election over and over when he obliged and settled every dispute with taxpayers money and stamp duty. Even Labour and Fine Gael tried to outbid Bertie and FF. Now people want Varadker to do the same and spend money we don’t have! We’re borrowing it!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:50 AM

    Shh Liam.. People don’t like to be reminded about facts. It’s only someone else’s fault.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:58 AM

    Liam- well said.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:10 AM

    Yay! – another sound-bite from the “what do say to people who don’t support the strike” pamphlet issued by siptu.

    You forgot the one about how you’re all life savers & brilliantly get people across the city without killing them every day.

    It’s not a race to the bottom – it’s an adjustment – unskilled workers should not be maid more than skilled ones. You keep quoting the “race to the bottom” catchphrase, I’ll just keep pointing out that you wrongly are paid more than QUALIFIED nurses, teachers, paramedics & junior doctors. You are paid €10k more than the average London Bus Driver, and are among the highest paid bus drivers in the world….and Dublin is FAR from the most dangerous or hostile environment to be driving a bus.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 2:58 PM

    It’s not a race to the bottom. It’s a requirement to join the rest of us in reality.. In case you hadn’t noticed there’s a recession on, it’s been happening the past 5 years.. Everyone’s wages are being cut, and when the country exits recession then wages will start to increase again..

    Refusing to accept this and clinging on to high wages that are completely out of step with reality will only prolong the recession.. Surely you would prefer to get back to profit and have the possibility of wage rises in future rather than make the government seriously consider privatisation and the loss of your job altogether?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 7:45 AM

    Management didn’t call the strike. Neither did the minister. You do not mentioned the employees who are bringing this inconvenience on the hard pressesd public. Isn’t it possible they could do something?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 7:48 AM

    They don’t care. They just want their inflated overtime not taken away from them. Some people don’t know how good they have it.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:04 AM

    The Employees are also members of the hard pressed public, who have already given cost savings in this recession, some drivers losing €250 a week in 2009.
    The Minister has continued to cut away the Dublin bus subsidy so he can send more cash to Anglo Irish bank investors.
    Dublin bus management have come back to the well for more cost savings, while turning a blind eye to the increase in fare evasion and mis use of free travel scheme, not to mention the ridicules salaries they pay themselves to sit on their hands.

    So the Minister and Management have everything to do with this strike, don’t blame the ordinary workers who have a right to stand up and protect their average salaries.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:22 AM

    When I was working, we went through five stages of redundancies and three pay-reductions. Unfortunately, we didn’t have the luxury of having a union to back us up, so we were unable to strike — we just had to get on with it, in the knowledge that most people in the country were going through the same thing. Bus drivers need to wake up and realise what kind of world we’re living in now, and just be thankful they have work.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:47 AM

    “Some drivers losing 250 a week in 2009″ 12 grand a year? How much we’re they being paid at the time??

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:25 AM

    1,000,000 dollars a year.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:03 AM

    Why didn’t you join a union then? Every employee in this country is entitled to be a member of a union.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:05 AM

    Not in the private company I worked for.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:26 AM

    And just to back that up: http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/emire/IRELAND/NONUNIONCOMPANY-IR.htm

    Directly from this piece: “There is no legal obligation on Irish employers to recognise trade unions for collective bargaining purposes…”

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:34 AM

    It’s an average Tommy which means nothing as it doesn’t indicate your actual earnings.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:39 AM

    Everyone may join a union, but employers are not obliged to recognise any union. There is no point being in a union if your employer does not recognise the union. Why would you pay sub fees when your union official wouldn’t be allowed so much as sit at a negotiating table on your behalf?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:41 AM

    They don’t have to recognise it, true, but you are still entitled to be a member. So no point in lamenting that you didn’t have a union to back you up as if it were a luxury only afforded to some.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:44 AM

    Incidentally, if everyone in the company joined the union, it would be very hard for management to ignore. Its good to have someone to negotiate on your behalf.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:44 AM

    My point remains. Whether I was in one or not, there would have been nothing I could have done. Therefore, it is a luxury to those who work in companies that recognise them. And now, because of this strike, people who rely on buses to get to work will be out of pocket as well.

    Forcing people into a similar predicament as you does not endear them to your cause, it just pisses them off.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:06 AM

    In what way would it be hard for management to ignore, even if everyone was a member? They simply refuse to entertain the notion, if you threaten industrial action they ready the P45s and the union is broken. And “you are still entitled to be a member” – but what’s the point? You think private sector workers should be paying siptu fees despite the fact they won’t be allowed to represent them? I’d get more value in negotiations out of my GAA club subs!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:19 PM

    That’s almost a years wage for some. Now my heart really bleeds for the bus drivers

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    Aug 5th 2013, 2:46 PM

    Yup.. Plenty of people trying to get by on €300 per week – and support families on that too.. Some people really don’t know when they have it good..

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    Aug 5th 2013, 3:20 PM

    If they were to be sacked for a legal strike, that is against the law and the company would be hit by a HUGE unfair dismissal claim.

    If people could get organised in the 19th century where unions were illegal and huge amounts of physical violence including death were frequently deployed by employers and the government to smash workers unionising, surely in 2013 where we have legal and constitutional rights to organise, we can do the same.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 3:49 PM

    A strike is only legal if the company recognises the union organising the strike. If they don’t recognise the union, they don’t have to recognise the strike and can issue P45s as soon as people stop turning up to work without medical documentation. Times are different in more ways from the 19th century too. If private sector workers here were to all start trying to unionise and demanding better pay and conditions a la the public sector, a large number of the jobs that currently exist here would move east to a less troublesome workforce – such internationalism did not exist at the birth of the trade union movement. I have no problem with people organising, although I do think a right for one should be a right for all (in practice not theory). I was only replying Maria’s comment that we are all free to join unions – legally we may be, but in reality huge sections of the population don’t have anyone to fight their corner for them in dealings with employers, yet we rarely hear of the plight of these workers.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:02 AM

    I do feel sorry for them. Their pay has already been whittled away with in common with other public sector workers. Unlike many private sector job seekers, however, they still have jobs so I don’t feel sorry enough for them to support this strike. And if the trains go out in “sympathy”, there will be bloody murder.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 7:44 AM

    Greedy fools.
    Thanks for absolutely mucking up my weekend!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:14 AM

    Greedy? Do you think the employees should take a wage cut because the government has cut subsidies to the company. These subsidies allow members of the public with free travel passes to travel for free and Dublin bus to operate non profitable routes. If subsidies are being cut then the service of non profitable routes and free travel should also be cut.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:17 AM

    So the most vulnerable in society should not be given free access to transport, because bus drivers want to keep their nice 2.5 overtime rate?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:23 AM

    So the bus drivers should take a pay cut to subsidise the most vulnerable in society?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:34 AM

    So basicly this will result in fare increases again?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:40 AM

    Wongster, the bus driver are already being subsidised by the tax payer. They wont get cuts to their core pay just to the ridiculous OT.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:43 AM

    The government subsidy being reduced by Leo Varadkar to pay back bankers is what it boils down to.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:47 AM

    Coffee these drivers rely on the overtime payment to bring home a wage. Without it they would be on fcuk all….

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:07 AM

    So me, a tax payer should have to pay for Dublin bus drivers high wages?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:13 AM

    Wongster- Overtime is overtime. You’re a fool if you bank on it to always be there. And these are bus drivers not surgeons. They’re on a decent wage for what they do.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:23 AM

    Egg you are an idiot.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:39 AM

    Here’s a better idea, cut the subsidies altogether and put the loss making entity in to administration.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:47 AM

    Wongster- eloquent riposte there. What I’d expect from a shop steward.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:35 AM

    All this crap about not gettin cuts to their core pay is a load of shite! Their shift pay is getting cut and surprise surprise yes that makes up their “core” pay. Ask a driver instead of relying on RTE news, oh sorry the journal.ie, all the same anyway.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:15 PM

    33k is nothing I know lots of people working for 25k and less. Look at the min wage before you start claiming your wage is nothing. I’d happily drive a bus for even 26k including shift work

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    Aug 5th 2013, 2:39 PM

    I have friends who drive Dublin buses, and I would love to have sympathy for this strike action – but I can’t.

    33k is quite decent. You get sick leave, you get a pension, you get security. And you don’t even have to do your f**king job.

    Me? I’m self employed. My earning potential is capped because I can’t drive (epilepsy) and rely on Dublin Bus.
    Since “Network Direct” my travel time has doubled. I spend longer travelling to appointments than I spend at them. I have to leave the house an hour early just to make sure that I get to work on time, because the buses are a joke.

    I earn a tiny bit over half the bus drivers basic, and now that I can’t get to work – I can’t earn at all. So forgive me if I can’t sympathise with the overly entitled pratts who are happy to ignore the rules of the road and stop in traffic to have a conversation with their buddy driving the bus coming the opposite way. The guy who has his buddies standing chatting to him at the cab for the whole journey. The guys who get paid despite not showing up to work (meaning buses don’t run). Those who drive past when you had your hand out (with an empty bus).

    I won’t earn anything while the strike is on, I could even lose contracts, and the social expect me to be supporting my disabled partner too on my income which is much lower than your basic. So sorry, my sympathy for you guys is non existent, like my earnings because of your a55hole strike.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 2:46 PM

    Shanti, It had to happen eventually- I agree with you. History is made.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 7:53 AM

    I don’t understand why they just refuse to take fares instead of striking? On wait, that means they actually have to work!

    Dublin bus drivers striking is the equivalent of taking a dump on your own dinner.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:02 AM

    @ David. Not taking fares is tantamount to theft and/or fraud. It’s not the drivers company although they think it is.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:06 AM

    Because Dublin bus management would not let their buses leave the garages if we refused to collect fares, of course we would prefer this action.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:07 AM

    So lets piss off the customers to get them on our side? Load of bollox from the drivers.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:22 AM

    If you know of a better way bus drivers can protect their average salaries let me know and I can suggest it to my union rep.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:32 AM

    Feckin union rep. Bet you are happy you pay your sub for that! Unions of Ireland, ensuring all workers get pink wafers in the canteen.

    In a nutshell, the company you work for is losing cash hand over fist. The LRC has recommended cuts in the rather inflated overtime rates. You are snookered here because of your shoddy union. Now you throw the toys out of the pram, and strike. Bravo!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:40 AM

    The labour court did not recommend cuts for management cop on

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:48 AM

    And the public is not on your side. Cop on!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:58 AM

    So you represent the public get real

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:09 AM

    Protect your salaries by doing the job you are paid to do like everyone else that are not in cushy semi state jobs ,I’ve paid for an annual bus ticket yet will have to fork out 50 euros to go to a job that I just can’t not turn up to..get a grip & get back to work..public is not on your side over this.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:05 AM

    You don’t speak for everyone Dave Spier

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:35 AM

    That’s a breach of contract Barry, you bought that ticket on the proviso that they’d be providing that service, which they’re not.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:56 AM

    Maria- he speaks for most.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:42 PM

    how about you take the pay cut. Your average wage is probably twice that of another unskilled worker! You’re undeserving of the rate for overtime and rest day pay.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 2:49 PM

    They’re not touching your core pay.
    You’re still getting better rates than most people, in fact probably better than anyone in the private sector.. And for what? So you can drive around aimlessly, picking up passengers if the mood takes you and ignoring timetables.. Chatting to your buddies and ignoring people at bus stops..
    At least you’re still getting paid for not going to work.. Not everyone has that luxury.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 2:49 PM

    I should specify – by better rates, I mean the overtime rates – which will still be generous after the proposed reductions..

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    Aug 5th 2013, 3:32 PM

    People don’t get their pay when on strike Shanti, you get a miserable few bob off the union in strike pay.

    I used to work at Tesco and we were on strike in 2001, and we got a HUGE 8 pound a day in strike pay

    I don’t know what SIPTU or the NBRU give in strike pay but I can guarantee you that the workers are taking a hit for making this stand. Dublin bus has not had any stoppages in 13 years, so its clear that these workers didn’t jump to this course of action on a whim..

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:04 AM

    Seriously get back to work, loads of people are late for work today and are not getting paid 2.5 times their hourly rate for simply working on a bank holiday.

    Im not getting paid any extra and have absolutely no sympathy for you getting paid more than me basic and receiving more perks than faults.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:02 AM

    ….for driving a bus.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:35 AM

    At least these people still have a job! It’s Semi-State so job for life. I was made redundant, so have voted with my feet and left the country – not an easy thing to do at age 56. So Dublin Bus drivers, be thankful you have jobs and get back to work.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:45 AM

    So you left the country while your td’s took your money only a while ago it was proposed that senators should be able to work from home and claim their expenses what do you make of that suggestion

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:53 AM

    Firstly, Chris, the banks took our money. If you want to play the blame game, go back to Thatcher and Reagan, sub-prime lending, etc., etc., and then add in the Lehman Brothers.
    Secondly, successive governments failed to regulate the banks. If we are still playing the blame-game, then I point the finger at Charlie McCreevey.
    Thirdly, the Senate is (allegedly) the Upper House where all Bills must be debated and passed, so a properly functioning Senate could theoretically apply some sort of brake.
    Fourthly and finally (running out of caffeine here), I am completely disenfranchised by the Irish State now that I have gone to another country looking for work.
    Ok, over and out for now.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:21 AM

    “At least these people still have a job!”

    I hate that. 85% of people are employed. Are we all supposed to feel like someone’s done us a favour because we’re still employed?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:24 AM

    Sheila your understanding of the economic crisis is all over the place and you’ll be angry for life until you correct this. It’s very simple.

    The people voted for a succession of tax and spend governments who played the populist card and the opposition also tried to join in. We got to €55bn spend per year and when taxes dried up after this bubble we had to borrow vast sums to keep spending the €55bn and try reduce it over time to lower tax income levels . This required huge cuts in all sectors and rather than do it quickly we’ve decided to do it between 2009 and 2015! 6 years of pain.

    Banks borrowed money from bond holders and shareholders to lend to the public (personal, developers, businesses, mortgages etc) and when the collapse in values came that money disappeared. Money is only a measure of perceived value!

    In order to be able to keep borrowing to spend €55bn a year we had to pay back what we had already borrowed. Badly managed and regulated banks were major players in the equation but essentially it was politics and the voter at the root cause.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:28 AM

    No, Damocles, you don’t have to feel like someone’s done youa favour, but you DO still have a job!

    I don’t.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:37 AM

    Thank you for that Liam but I think my understanding of the current economic crisis is more comprehensive than my initial 6-line reply to Chris indicated, and again I point back to the root cause – Thatcher/Reagan, etc., etc. And whilst I agree on the borrowing and the spend, spend, spend – I will continue to point the finger at McCreevey in particular (I have no allegiance whatsoever to any political party, and have no vote in any case).

    However, I am not at all angry – I have had a much better quality of life in the 2.5 years since we left Ireland.

    Cheers – need more caffeine!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:01 PM

    Sheila Walshe-Blackmore, ignore the comments. You did the right thing. You left the country because there was no work. What annoyed me more is not the bus drivers striking, its more to do with timing and they could’ve done this on another weekend. The bank holiday weekend is the busiest weekend of the year so most businesses in the services industry can make up for the losses during the year.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:32 PM

    Damocles
    You’re 100% true
    We don’t live in Zimbabwe or Weimar Germany or the US after the crash

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    Aug 5th 2013, 3:26 PM

    Damocles… Totally agree. As one of the 15% that doesn’t and who day after day sees nothing but rubbish jobsbridge internships advertised, I applaud the fact that a group of workers is finally stepping up and saying, enough is enough, workers in this country should be entitiled to more than merely having employment, but to be able to have quality and secure employment.

    Thank you Bus workers for your resolve to fight for decent jobs in this country. I hope more workers take a page from your book.

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    Mute Sharon Hendrick
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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:16 AM

    Its about time people finally stood up and said enough is enough. People moan all the time about the state this country is in. They moan about cuts, charges, and everything else. The bus men final stood up and said no more and now people are moaning about that. Stand your ground to all the bus men out there.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:26 AM

    About time someone had the initiative to stand up for themselves re. pay cuts. Just because the general public are so laid back that we couldn’t be bothered protesting when we’re being ripped off left, right and centre doesn’t give us the right to judge those who do choose to make a stand.

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    Mute Adam Power
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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:14 AM

    Eejit.
    The business is loosing money, fares have shot up over the last 5 years, pay cuts have to be made. This isn’t rocket science.

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    Mute Peadar O'Ruadhán
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    Aug 5th 2013, 3:41 PM

    Dublin Bus is not a BUSINESS…. its an essential public service that is required to make this city function. If you apply business principles to such a service you’d have huge swathes of the city unserviced as they are not profitable.

    The subvention to Dublin bus during to boom was one of the lowest of any European Capital city, and under this current government that has been slashed.

    No pay cuts don’t ‘have to be made’, perhaps the government should spend as much time finding money for essential public services as it does finding ‘the moolah’ to bail out the banks.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:36 AM

    A bit more accurate detailed information wouldn’t go amiss , so far I get that core pay is not being touched but the drivers are being cut their overtime rates which are allegedly 2.5times which seems very high and something about rest days , apparently it’s not just drivers , do office workers get very generous overtime pay too ? and is that what’s bring cut , and what of the reports that office staff are complaining about a 39 hour week ?? Is that really a gripe. What are the accurate figures , how do we compare with european average pay for bus drivers ? Any chance the media / journalists do a bit more digging and accurate reporting of the numbers and issues so we can have a more informed debate , watching the news shots of drivers with strike signs walking in circles as on RTE last night really isn’t informing us of anything.

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    Mute James Hyland
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    Aug 6th 2013, 4:58 AM

    again i ask why o why BITCH about how much a driver of a bus is paid .
    BITCH about how little you are paid.
    end of

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:50 AM

    Heads up. According to their twitter feed anyone who has a prepaid bus ticket may be eligible for some sort of refund if you go to the DB office on O’Connell St.

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    Mute Aidan Keogh
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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:35 AM

    Firstly, I believe SIPTU have the answer. As an employee of another subsidised transport company, we recently voted on lrc proposals that were company wide. The proposals affected everyone from the top down and a greater cut was taken from the top than the bottom. I didn’t like it but I can vote for it because of its’ universality and equality. I believe it to be easier for common workers to accept cuts when management take it first & hardest.

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    Aug 6th 2013, 5:19 AM

    @ aidan ye say firstly/and believe SIPTU have the answer
    well let me put ya straight on 1 thing .
    I,m not now a member of SIPTU or was I everi
    but this strike which i fully support is about the race to the bottom .
    just how much more can any working man/woman endure

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    Aug 6th 2013, 9:48 AM

    When I say I believe SIPTU have the answer, I don’t mean they are just a brilliant bunch of lads. I should clarify. There are a number of possible solutions, which SIPTU & NBRU have successfully argued for in the past, that are usually acceptable to both sides. As I mentioned, the across the board pay cuts is one. This minimises the amount taken from any one group by taking from all. A second solution, might be to attempt to introduce a composite rate & roster package. This would increase basic pay, but do away with overtime payments (except @ flat rate, to cover illness). This was done in many grades in Irish Rail in 2000.
    Those are two pre-existing ideas, which have found common ground between workers & management. I’m not a union official or a manager, it’s not rocket science to come up with various means of resolution. It may be time for one side or the other to change tack.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:18 AM

    I think the only action the government should contemplate is opening up all the routes to the private sector at this stage. If this semi state dinosaur can’t guarantee a service because the unions are throwing their toys out of their prams because Celtic tiger era levels of overtime are being curtailed because the company is bleeding money then it is time to cut them loose.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:17 AM

    I could be wrong but I thought I read Management agreed to take a 20% cut? That said the very people that this strike action affects are people who have only one way in to work … the bus. In general they are lower paid, and often there own employers will not pay if they can’t get to work. Drivers while I accept have the right to protest, please consider who you are hurting the most. Drive the buses and forget to collect the cash ? Or put a bag over the swipe machine ?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:06 AM

    I thought I heard on the radio it was 5%. Could be wrong.

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    Mute Peadar O'Ruadhán
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    Aug 5th 2013, 3:03 PM

    CIE workers did a No-Fares day of action before and from what I understand it was deemed to be an illegal form of Industrial action.

    There has not been a stoppage at Dublin bus in over 13 years, so hardly a ‘strike happy’ bunch of lads, and this decision to have to go on strike would have been taken lightly.

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    Mute Chris
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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:02 AM

    A certain bunch of muppets on here bring back James Larkin

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    Aug 5th 2013, 7:53 AM

    Why should people look for a different job when their company wants to screw them there are muppets on here that don’t have a clue about anything these people have a right to defend their conditions and wages maybe management and weirdo veruka will pick the naysayers up for their lifts

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    Mute Liam Treacy
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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:50 AM

    Every worker in every business carries some responsibility for efficiency and cost control. If they can’t drive the efficiencies then the costs must get tackled. The company is and has been losing millions and the taxpayer has subsidised it for ever. The tax payer is broke so back to the workers to make it work!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:13 AM

    The old “Divide and Conquer” strategy is alive and well I see. Folks, you’re getting mad at the wrong people. Seems that anyone who has a permanent job in this country should bow down in gratitude, regardless of the conditions they work under. Wake up, the only people who enjoy a “cushy job” in this country are members of government. They are playing us like puppets, pitting one section of society against another. And while we’re all fighting amongst ourselves, they are planning a budget that will take what little we have left away from us. Look at the bigger picture. At least the DB drivers are doing something about their situation. And I say good luck to them.

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    Mute Tracey Walker
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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:03 AM

    If they don’t go back to work on Tuesday there will be a lot of people not getting paid. I rely on the bus to get to work and I won’t get paid if I don’t show up. Taxi would cost me over €30 each way.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 3:16 PM

    Me too.. Self employed – earning less than 20k, can’t afford to pay for the taxi as it stands right now – would be well over €50 each way for me on Wednesday – it would cost me more to get to work than I would earn there. I guess I just don’t eat or pay my bills until these spoilt brats decide to do their jobs.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 8:07 AM

    People posting comments this morning attacking either the management the workers or each other sure is a big help to resolving the strike or assisting those affected by it .

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:51 AM

    For a shower that have no skills or 3rd level educational needs they’ve some cheek considering what they earn. Nothing’s change and no ones learned over the last 5 years, nothing but greed. Your bus drivers not nurses, doctors, teachers, pilots, architects. Reality check lads.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:00 PM

    I think you have some cheek calling these people a shower and calling them uneducated or unskilled. While I don’t agree with their reasons for striking, I do believe they have a right to do so as everyone else has. Degrading them like this will get nobody anywhere. We all depend on these bus drivers to get from A to B and the rest of the transport system, so we need them.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 3:24 PM

    If they got you from A to B that would be a start.. I take it you’re not a regular user if you think that’s what they do..

    Try – we will get you from A to C, then you must get another bus to B, this bus may or may not show up when it’s supposed to, so be sure to add an extra half hours waiting around time to ensure that you aren’t late for work.

    Or – this bus says it’s going to Drimnagh Rd.. But it’s stopped at Parnell Square and it’s not going any further. This happens every single day and despite Phibsboro garage being notified of the problem and assuring customers it would be resolved – nothing changes..

    Or the bus that is timetabled to run every 10 mins that you must wait a half hour for (and it’s only the 3rd stop on the route).. Again – management more than aware but no resolution is in sight..

    Seriously – if you have to use Dublin bus with any sort of regularity you will notice that timetables are completely optional to the drivers, and the real time info is only there to make you feel better about standing at a bus stop waiting like a fool – because accuracy is not included.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 3:42 PM

    Speak for yourself,i havent used the bus or trains since the totally reckless and unecessary damaging wildcat strikes of the 1970s,40 years ago,and never will.

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    Mute David Linehan
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    Aug 5th 2013, 5:44 PM

    Not degrading them just simple facts, they drive buses, they’re not bloody rocket scientists. They earn too much for a low skilled job, it’s that simple. They’re disposable on a wim, least they forget that. They should be delighted earning what they do, for what they do! Everyone in the company needs a right keep up the a r s e. top to bottom needs wholesale changes. A company making losses with one of the highest fares in the world stinks of high wages and shoddy management. Simple.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:27 AM

    I have to say, since this strike was done properly (voted on, announced a week before) I’m not as anti driver as I was with the Bus Eireann one. The blame here lies with the guy not sitting at the table. If the union are willing to talk, and all the Dublin Bus guy is willing to do is send a begging letter!? Get your arse into the negotiations, pronto!

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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:10 AM

    “I don’t make enough money, so I’ll sabotage the whole city and make it everyone’s problem”. Do they realize how much they cost the public and tourist in taxi fares?

    65000 people use the airport daily, the taxis have the best weekend of the year, another bunch of extortion artists.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:51 AM

    so many arseholes on here blaming drivers.all workers from management downwards are on strike not just drivers.management forced cuts through without agreement causing this strike.workers only trying to protect their livelihood.also management say they want to enter talks but are nowhere to be seen just like the government.too busy on hols to do anything

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    Aug 5th 2013, 3:13 PM

    Hey, Management do sweet F.A. too.

    I mean, when you have to contact them several times a week to let them know that their routes aren’t running, their “real time info” is giving false information, that drivers are too busy chatting to their buddies while driving so they miss stops and customers or have to slam on the brakes last minute giving everyone whiplash, that the driver changeover is causing a bus to stop mid route and kick all customers off because the driver says there’s a 20 min wait til his replacement arrives and he wants to leave there and then – or the replacement driver didn’t show up at all, so despite the bus displaying that it’s going the whole way is in fact only going half way..

    And what happens? Well, if you are lucky you might get a response.. You get a call back 3 weeks later to tell you that they’re looking into it.. But nothing changes..

    The whole company acts as though the job description is optional. None of them should be exempt from pay cuts.

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    Mute Francis Stokes
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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:28 AM

    The problem with the pass is that in the good timews it was okay to have it free. Dont get me wrong but the elderly are in need of the pass and it should be as is. But now the country is in financle trouble and like everything else the Government will have to look at it again and see whit they can do. They are cutting in some very important areas like rest bite care so that is not good. The bus pass can take a hit like a levy, But things like rest bite care should be left alone. There are also-other areas like hospital care for the elderly being cut. As I said the pass should be left alone but in these difficult economic times it has to be looked at like every other service. PS. I AM IN FAVOUR OF THE PASS BEING LEFT ALONE. THAT IS ONE OF THE FEW COMFORTS THE ELDERLY HAVE AFTER ALL THEIR YEARS OF PAYING HIGH TAXES AND WORKING HARD.If they want to go on longer journeys outside their local area that is a choice so in that scenario maybe a small charge. But many will not agree. So that is a question for Government to decide.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:54 AM

    In Ireland is seems that people want everything for free but that is not possible in the current environment. All aspects of Government spending have to be looked at to see where value for money can be obtained.Everyone is looking out for themselves but there is a wider picture to consider.I know there might be thumbs down for this comment but that is the situation we are now in.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:58 AM

    I know that this comment above will get thumbs down but we have to face reality. none of us like the situation we are in but we are where we are and all the talking and comments will not get us anywhere. We have to stand up and be counted.We could give out till we are blue in the face but the country is in an awful mess we need to concentrate now on how we can get out of it.

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    Mute Silent Majority
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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:53 AM

    I’m really sorry, but I have to correct you – it’s respite care, not rest bite care.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:38 AM

    Okay Respite it is. But I am sure you know where I am coming from.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:02 AM

    people have questioned why bus drives cant just go about the route as planned but dont accept fares, it would still effect the company; it seems this cannot be done beacause no fare = no liability = no insurance, its possible that drivers would get fired, I’m sure if all drives did this, they cant sack everyone? every September we have Car FREE day. on this day public transport is free trains;buses, how can you allow no fares for this day but when striking its not an option?.. does that mean if i get on a bus on car free day and take a fall or somthing, the company isnt insured to cover customers? im sure thats no the case.

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    Mute Valerie Collins Donovan
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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:56 AM

    You all talk about hurting the tax payer, every single bus driver is a tax payer! It’s not just the drivers on strike, it’s administration, pay clerks, mechanics and junior management. There on strike not for just over time but for everything else the company want off them. You hardly think that by stopping paying overtime they will save 11.7m I don’t think so. But then again you all believe everything you read. Drivers work a week of earlys, a week of lates and a mixed up week. They put up with being spat at, being threatened, having a knife or gun put in there face. The only secruity on a bus is a screen and that can easily be thorn down. Combining routes only made the wait time longer. Management do what they want and don’t listen to the people on the ground. Please remember drivers aren’t being paid when there on strike so they aren’t bringing home any wages and if there the only one working then no wages are coming in. So ask yourself why would they strike if there new terms only effected there overtime. Instead of listening to what your being told, try think about what’s not being said! Also if drivers earnt what you all said they do, sure they would all be driving 20132 cars!!! They work hard and deserve to be treated with some respect!

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    Mute BadDrivingIreland
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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:56 AM

    Where’s Leo varadkar? oh darn I forgot he ain’t the minister for transport he is the minister for been useless.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:25 AM

    While this is ongoing. Will bus lanes be suspended. Traffic will be crazy.

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    Mute patjudge
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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:36 AM

    some cleaners in the airport earn more than a drivers basic wage, management are not taking pat cuts that was new managers in bus eireann, the ceo db is on 230,000 year, he should take a cut in wages and the managers, revenue are never out there collecting and checking tcikets like they should and paid big money, theres been 400 buses cut to the services, this is not just drivers out its all staff except management, this is 3rd cut and they want more after this, people should unite and stick together, theres some sick minded people out there showring down attacks on fellow workers shame on you, this is why this country is gone to bits , this is why you have property tax, this is why you will have water rates, we all have a voice and should stick by the staff on stirke, all unite and send out a message to tds and bosses, leave the workers alone, we wont be mistreated, theres some people here hiding their identity you have no voice shame on you

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:40 PM

    Which cleaners are on more than 16 ph besides supervisors or those working in dangerous unpleasant conditions. Lot of shift workers out there, working nights, weekends, public holidays no where near 2.5 hourly rate. Average cleaning company employee is € 11.00 note average which includes senior management, admin, specially trained

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    Mute Stephen Power
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    Aug 5th 2013, 10:23 AM

    What is average nett take home pay per week and how much is the proposed cut?anybody

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:15 AM

    So how much exactly are the drivers losing from taking overtime and rest day reductions?

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    Aug 5th 2013, 9:55 AM

    roughly 4k a year

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    Aug 5th 2013, 2:13 PM

    Since the 1970s wildcat extremely reckless illegal strikes by the bus and rail workers,that caused such damage and chaos to this country,i have never used them since, and never will.

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    Aug 5th 2013, 12:58 PM

    On the other hand its sweet eithout them on the road bullin themselves around. Let them stand there all week let them destroy the company and get rid of it shocking service from them, haven got on a dublin bus in 6 years . Ill rely on my car thanks very much

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    Mute William Lavelle
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    Aug 5th 2013, 11:50 AM

    “NTA must ensure bus competition when current Dublin Bus contracts expire in 2014″ http://www.williamlavelle.ie/?p=1151

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    Mute Brendan Wren
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    Aug 5th 2013, 2:20 PM

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865560028/This-week-in-history-Ronald-Reagan-fires-11345-air-traffic-controllers.html?pg=all. Wish Reagan was here too look after the negotiations. They would soon go back to work then.

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