Madness! Life saving services should be the last to get cut. I’d rather see TD’s on 52 grand a year(1000 euro a week with no expenses is still too much). There is still too much fat to be trimmed before cutting what is really needed. What idiots are coming up with this rubbish!

I think this would be terrible. The fire brigade do such a good job, if they have no overtime then the incentive to do extra shifts is lost leaving them short staffed most of the time. This could possibly result in fires not being attended to or worse, lives could be lost.

@ Ray Boyse. In DFB we have met with EVERY concession that has been asked of us. We have already reduced manning levels on certain appliances and in other roles. Our training centre which is now being closed, has been run with a skeleton staff for months now. Training had more or less ceased anyway as essential upskilling and refresher courses had been cancelled or postponed. People have given out about benchmarking and pay increases over the years, which in fact only really mirrored the rate of inflation. In return we upskilled regularly (in that I mean we are delivering more primary care through the use of different medications on the ambulance, using new and more effective equipment) and we are also delivering more services on the Fire & Rescue side of things. Since then we have received what amounts to more than a 20% pay cut yet we are still expected to deliver the same service. You may argue that we are lucky to have a job but a job in the Emergency Services should be seen as a job for life. We didn’t benefit greatly from the Celtic Tiger, we didn’t get bonuses, our pay increases simply matched inflation and anyway in that time we all upskilled. We work nights, weekends, bank holidays, Christmas and New Year, we get abuse, verbal and physical and we are prepared to put our lives on he line to protect life and limb. In return for that we expect to be modestly remunerated and not vilified for taking a job that is secure. Our budgets have already been cut substantially and the reason that the service has remained the same is because WE HAVE MADE IT WORK. We are constantly making suggestions to make the service better value. There is no actual logical mathematical calculation in reducing our budgets, it is simply a blunt initiative simply because money has to be saved.

A sobering thought for you all. Firefighter deaths in the UK Fire Service were ZERO for the years 1996 to 2002. Following cutbacks in their service this figure increased to THIRTEEN for the years 2003 to 2007. Not to mention the risks it will pose to the general public and their property. These cuts will end up COSTING more money, not saving it.

Minister have 7.5 million in expences last year the fire service short fall this year 1.4. Next year is 4.4 million. That is still less than ministers expenses. One man one vote mister kenny one one term

Within the ranks of Dublin Fire Brigade, there are numerous staff with a host of 3rd level degrees and qualifications. We provide the services within our working day for more than money. The provision of Fire and Emergency ambulance services in Dublin is second to none in Europe. The proposed cuts will effect only one group of people, namely, you, the public. Various proposals have been put to management within Dublin Fire Brigade and Dublin city council. They have been largely ignored, leaving us where we are today, on the verge of a reduction in the services we provide to you, the public. Overtime is there to facilitate sick or injured Firefighters, Paramedics, and advanced paramedics within the service. If there is no overtime, there is no staff to cover illness, injuries and unforseen leave that happens in all employment, especially one as stressfull and phyically demanding as this. If we have no overtime to cover this leave then Fire appliances and ambulances will be withdrawn from service as there will be no staff to crew them. In Germany the fire service is partially funded by the insurance industry. We do after all limit their liability with regard to payout, as we save the property they insure. In every county in the Irish Republic the local authority charge all users of the fire service for services rendered. This charge is taken from house insurance, car insurance etc. which you pay for. In Dublin Business are charged for call outs. If the city council refuses to charge for services, how can they pay the people that provide those services?? They are after all business people. The members of Dublin Fire Brigade do not regared what we do as a business, we regard it as a necessity. Our business is looking after people. Who looks after us and our families? There is a ban on recruitment within our service. Training of Firefighter/Paramedics in Dublin can be achieved in 2 years, however it takes years of experience to make a multi functional individual in this service of true value. Experience is haemorrhaging from the ranks as members retire, and these have not been replaced. As public servants allow us to do our job to the best of our ability, after all, we serve you.

Why is it always frontline services that get hammered?

@ Ray Boyse.
Can you honestly justify the wastage that exists at government level, the endless billions being pumped into the black hole that is the the banking sector and actually agree with a cut in funding of front line emergency budgets ?We’ve already saved 3.5 million through CPA, remember our staff level is only 900. This is a sad fact but people only ever realise what or how much we do when they need us. We’re not looking for superstar status or bonuses or anything like that, all we ask is for proper recognition of the work we do, some respect and a somewhat decent living, surely we’re entitled to the above considering the daily risk we take and the sacrifice of family time that comes with working nights/weekends/holidays etc etc. We were promised ‘ring fencing’ of emergency budgets, it hasn’t happened. Millions would be saved if they nationalised the whole service, as numerous reports have recommended but they won’t because it will massively reduce the amount of senior management. As Mr Brennan already states we make an unworkable system work ! If your not convinced or anyone else out there needs convincing, come join us for a night of two or a weekend. You’ll soon realise, the system that we do make work is a very delicate one at that…take care.

Well said Donal…. Put in such a way that sums up emergency service workers’ reasonings and mind set…. And hopefully any open minded private sector or politician reading it will empathise

God bless all the front line civil servants. You do a great job. Thank you all.

Ive Read all comments Donal .. Fair play , well written ..it’s  Unfortunate that a lot of the public buy into government/ media propaganda , without realising these cuts will severely effect them , the taxpayer  !! 

Minister have 7.5 million in expences last year the fire service short fall this year 1.4. Next year is 4.4 million. That is still less than ministers expenses. One man one vote mister kenny one term

if we had anything like the riots in Uk we’d be in serious trouble. What about those 70 days a year some public servants were looking for to prepare for retirement. Couldn’t they be donated for the betterment of our country. When will we all realise we are all one?

seems to me, like the majority of public sector organisations, DFB is top heavy, Too many chiefs and not enough indians. The Firefighters are getting it in the neck at the moment and it’s only set to get worse. If only people could see the real conditions faced daily, and I’m not talking about the job itself I’m talking about the lack of support and respect given to the DFB frontline. The waste ALL happens way up the line, decisions made by people who have no real experiance or understaning of what is required but refuse to ask those who do. a managment system that ridicules it’s workforce for their, hard earned, annual leave while same managment have double this time!
come on people, wake up and smell the coffee, it’s only propaganda that the frontline have it easy. that’s what they want you to believe, it takes the heat and distracts from the fact that the top end of the public sector is still milking the last few Euro while they still can, and yet this is where the least amount of change has occured.
I reckon it’s gonna take some sort of disaster to show how mismanaged the fire services and hospitals are, then the public will be up in arms about ‘how was this allowed to happen?’ well the answer is because you allowed it to happen!
they’ve done all the tests, they know what needs to be done but they refuse to do it!

I agree with everything above. But wouldn’t it be great if the DFB or SIPTU could come up with some solutions rather than drawing lines in the sand. Budgets are there for a reason – when they’re overrun, the taxpayer pays. What has the Croke park agreement delivered here? Are there opportunities? Maybe not, but it would be great to see a balanced assessment & some constructive ideas. We need our fire brigade. We need to reduce the budget deficit..

I couldn’t agree more or have said it better than most of the previous comments, sadly this is the same all through the Public Service, many of the public believe the lies they’re fed by the media and politicians that everyone is earning almost a grand a week (nowhere near it, unfortunately) and we do sweet damn all work (try it and see for yourself). All we ever hear is “benchmarking” but, as Donal explained wonderfully, the whole purpose of benchmarking was to keep our wages in line with inflation. We have all met with the demands of the Croke Park Agreement, and more, so much so that despite what the politicans say about the continued moratorium and they’re still looking for reduced numbers in the Public Service through natural wastage etc we’re now in a situation where we don’t have enough numbers. Hospitals don’t have enough nurses, don’t talk about doctors, Templemore is now basically closed and gardai numbers are plummeting, we’ve just seen how bad the Fire Service is. How bad does it have to get? Several hospitals have indicated that they’re budgets are going to run out in October and the Minister has already clearly said they won’t be getting any more money so a conflict is looming, some fire stations have around the country have indicated they may have to close at nights and go “on call” to save money. Do fires not happen at night? Maybe we’ll see agencies appear to fill the gap, they’ll supply agency firemen, gardai and nurses… oh wait they already supply agency nurses, not much of a leap then is it?