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Damage caused by bombing raid in Dublin May 30, 1941 AP/Press Association Images

Extract Ireland planned to ask the UK for help if Germany invaded in WW2

This ‘secret’ document from 1940 states that the Irish people would support the British troops if they came to help when Hitler invaded, but that British troops were not to step foot in Ireland until the invasion was underway.

Crisis was facing Ireland from May-June 1940 with the threat of German occupation in Europe expanding. This report documents the minutes of a British-Irish co-operation talks where it was stated that mutual co-operation between Ireland and the United Kingdom was needed in order to stave off Hitler. The minutes of meeting between representatives of the Government of Éire and representatives of the Dominions Office and Service Departments of the United Kingdom is classed as “secret” and took place in London at 5.30 pm, 23 May 1940.

THE FOLLOWING WERE PRESENT:-

United Kingdom Éire
Sir Eric Machtig, Dominions Office Mr. Walshe
Mr. Stephenson, Dominions Office Colonel Archer
Commander J. Creswell, Admiralty
Major G.D.G. Heyman, War Office
Squadron Leader R.E. de T. Vintras, Air Ministry

SIR ERIC MACHTIG introduced Mr Walshe and Colonel Archer to the Service Representatives. He referred to the messages conveyed to the United Kingdom Government by Mr de Valera. He understood the position to be as follows. Éire would fight if attacked by Germany and would call in the assistance of the United Kingdom the moment it became necessary.

The political situation in Éire, however, was such that there could be no question of the Éire Government inviting in United Kingdom Troops before an actual German descent, and before fighting between the German and Éire forces had begun. If the United Kingdom forces arrived before such fighting had taken place, Mr de Valera could not be responsible for the political consequences. If, on the other hand, fighting was in progress between Éire and German forces and the United Kingdom forces came in to help, Éire opinion would give whole-hearted support to British forces.

It was against this background that the meeting had to consider the problem of mutual co-operation.

Mr Walshe agreed and said that as soon as it became apparent to the Irish people that an act of aggression had taken place against Ireland the whole attitude of the Irish people would change and they would gladly welcome support from British troops. Until the Irish people fully realised that the attack had come, however, the Irish Government could not call for British support.

The discussion first turned upon the question of the time at which the call for assistance should be given.

Calling for assistance too late

Major Heyman pointed out that if assistance was to be effective it was essential that the request should be made at the moment the first German foot was placed upon Irish soil. If it was delayed and the Germans became established it would be all the more difficult to turn them out. He drew a parallel with the recent German invasion of Holland. The call for assistance in that case came too late. It was true that the Germans could not follow up a landing by seaborne troops in Éire with great mechanised columns.

Colonel Archer appreciated that it was most desirable, if assistance was to be effective, that the call should be made at the earliest possible moment. He pointed out, however, that the political situation in Ireland was such that the Irish must take the first brunt of the attack. It would be quite impossible to call for assistance, even air assistance alone, until Irish public opinion had fully realised that the attack had taken place and that Irish troops were engaged.

This realisation might be a matter only of hours, although it might, in the event, be a matter of a day or two. He asked whether it would be sufficient if the arrival of parachute troops were immediately made known and aircraft were detailed to stand by to await the call.

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Two German Dornier 217 planes pass over the burning bombing targets of the Beckton Gas Works at Silvertown, a suburb in the southeast of London, during the Battle of Britain in autumn 1940. (AP Photo)

Sending parachute troopers into Ireland

Mr Walshe asked whether, if a warning were received of the landing of parachute troops in Éire, fighter aircraft could not intercept the subsequent flights of troop carriers. As he understood it the doctrine of hot pursuit in Irish territorial waters was already established. It seemed unlikely that there would be any objection to fighters pursuing enemy aircraft and attacking them in Ireland.

Squadron Leader Vintras pointed out that interception could not be guaranteed, particularly during the hours of darkness when the troop carriers would probably pass our fighter defences. German aircraft could however be attacked on arrival if their probable destinations, as revealed by preparatory parachute landings, were known. The opportunity would be lost if no call for assistance had been made.

There was general agreement that the establishment of efficient and rapid communication between the Service Staffs in Ireland and the Service Staffs in the United Kingdom was of vital importance. At present no such arrangements existed. The perfecting of a first-class system of communications was therefore one of the first requirements in mutual co-operation.

The meeting then turned to consider, seriatim, certain precautionary measures which Service Departments suggested should be taken by the Government of Éire.

Protecting the ports

(1) That all shipping in and approaching ports should be searched with a view particularly to locating troops, munitions, refugees and suspicious characters.

Commander Creswell  pointed out that a landing by air alone would probably not be a threat of a decisive nature. The Navy would take all possible steps to prevent any reinforcements by sea. In the light of recent experience of German methods in Norway, it was vital that the Government of Éire should take all possible steps to scrutinise shipping, both in and approaching Irish ports.

Colonel Archer said that measures to this effect were receiving urgent consideration when he left Éire.

After a short discussion, Mr Walshe agreed that measures would be taken to tighten up precautions in this respect immediately.

Preventing the Germans from landing

(2) That preparations should be made to prevent enemy landings at aerodromes and seaplane bases, particularly Foynes, Baldonnell and Collinstown.

Colonel Archer outlined the measures which were in the process of being taken by the Irish Government to achieve this object. At Rineanna, for instance, the whole aerodrome was to be put out of commission except for a few small runways required for coastal reconnaissance aircraft. The aerodrome was being divided into sectors and staked and wired. Obstacles were being placed on the open runways when they were not in use and could be quickly moved into position in an emergency. Sandbagged M.G. positions were being erected round the ground and two armoured cars would patrol.

Similar measures were being taken at Baldonnell except that half of this aerodrome would be left open. At Collinstown two-thirds of the aerodrome was being put out of commission. In both cases piquets and machine gun posts were to be established and armoured cars would patrol.

Erecting obstacles in Phoenix Park

It was not proposed to erect obstacles in Phoenix Park which was used by the public. Similarly the Curragh was being left open. In this area, however, there was a considerable reserve and no difficulty was anticipated in dealing with any German attempt to land. Three other smaller aerodromes in the vicinity of Dublin were being put out of commission. In regard to the aerodrome at Oranmore (near Galway) it was proposed to render this unserviceable by cratering.

He asked whether, in the event of the Germans landing on Gormanston aerodrome the Navy would be able to render their position untenable by bombardment.

Commander Creswell undertook to examine this question with the Naval Staff and provide Colonel Archer with a considered opinion. In discussion…

… Squadron Leader Vintras emphasised the necessity for dispersing aircraft on aerodromes. With regard to the question of placing landing grounds out of commission, he asked whether it might be possible to establish stocks of bombs and petrol at suitable landing grounds, for use by British Air Forces, if in the event, their assistance was required. Phoenix Park would probably not be suitable for this purpose.

Colonel Archer asked Squadron Leader Vintras to let him know which particular aerodrome the air staff would like to use.

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The British battleship Warspite, above, 30,600 tons, led the British fleet into the Narvik Fjord, Norway’s ore port, and sank seven German destroyers April 13, 1940. (AP Photo)

Seizing of the ports

(3) That preparations should be made to prevent the enemy seising ports, particularly Shannon, Cork, Galway, Swilly and Berehaven.

Colonel Archer described the general plans for the defence of ports. In cases in which there was no military forces at the port in question, defence was based upon mobile reserves.

Commander Creswell asked whether there were any local anti-submarine defences at any of the ports. In particular if the British Navy were to be called in to assist the use of Berehaven and possibly Cork would be a necessity, and/or these local defences would be required.

Colonel Archer said that the problem of the defence of ports was mainly a question of material and the availability of trained personnel.

Commander Creswell undertook to examine the question of the provision of material in conjunction with the Naval Staff and inform Colonel Archer of the position.

Interning of ‘undesirable’ charachters

(4) That all possible measures should be taken against ’5th Column’ activities including the supervision of the German Legation and German firms.

Major Heymen stressed the vital importance of ensuring that the closest watch was kept upon all undesirable characters. While appreciating the impracticability of interning all such persons forthwith, he earnestly requested the Irish representatives to make all arrangements so that they could be interned at very short notice.

Mr Walshe said that the Government of Éire were satisfied with the position as it now stood. If and when Éire were to become belligerent, there would be no difficulty in taking all necessary measures.

(5) That a complete blackout should be organised forthwith throughout the whole of Éire.

Preparing for a German attack

Major Heyman  then asked whether the Government of Éire were prepared to discuss detailed plans. The point was that if we were to be really prepared to meet a German attack, it was essential that ways and means should be discussed. This could be done with the greatest of secrecy if so desired. If it was agreed that this should be done, the War Office would be ready to start discussion in about three days’ time.

Mr Walshe and Colonel Archer agreed that this was the essence of the problem. There was no use in talking generalities, the object must be to obtain the closest possible mutual co-operation.

Major Heyman asked whether the detailed planning should be carried out in London or in Dublin. There might be certain advantages in their taking place in Dublin.

Mr Walshe undertook to consider this point.

It was agreed:

  • That the representatives of the Government of Éire should give immediate consideration to the precautionary measures suggested by Service Departments, on the lines set out in the above record of discussion.
  • That the immediate and most urgent problem was the establishment when the threat arises, of efficient and rapid communications between the Service Staffs in Éire and the United Kingdom. To this end expert advisers should be invited to meet Mr Walshe and Colonel Archer the next morning and advise on the necessary steps that should be taken.
  • That the representatives of the Government of Éire should be fully informed of the experience recently gained in respect of the following:-
  • That detailed planning to ensure the closest of mutual co-operation should be considered as soon as possible in the greatest secrecy. In this connection, Mr Walshe undertook to inform the Dominions Office whether it would be convenient that these conversations should take place in Dublin.

This report, taken from the sixth published volume of Documents on Irish Foreign Policy (DIFP) online, is a dark read, showing that the threat to the relatively new Irish state’s independence was imminent and over-powering in 1940. The series, produced by the Royal Irish Academy with support from the Department of Foreign Affairs and National Archives of Ireland, offers a unique insight into the outlook and mindset of diplomats and the Irish government during Ireland’s first international crisis as an independent nation. The volume is edited by Dr Michael Kennedy.

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 1:19 PM

    so nice to see this becoming important for people. The food industry is rampant with additives, conservatives, all sorts of short-cuts to make production bigger and cheaper. I mean, why the hell is there milk in ham? Can they not just boil a lump of pork, slice it and package it?
    Packaging is another issue that seems to me to be out of control…sooo much plastic. But that’s for another day.

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 1:51 PM

    Well said Lorcán! I care deeply whats in my food and where it comes from. Be great to see every town with its own thriving food market encouraging farmers and landowners in the surrounding lands to produce real healthy food. So many pluses.. better food for all, more local employment, stronger community, healthier soil and land too. Yes Permaculture is the future and there really is no alternative.. regenerates land, soil, forests, wildlife, cleaner rivers, far healthier food, community empowerment and independence and so much more. Organic growing is just the start.. do your own research into Permaculture and learn how it solves most of our problems.

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 3:15 PM

    I too have an issue with packaging. However like it or hate it, plastic packaging is the material that our society has chosen and in the end there’s nothing inherently wrong with plastic, just our management of it. Plastic had many advantages and it dramatically reduces food spoilage, which is good for the environment. Plastic can be made from plants: it doesn’t have to be made from fossil fuels. It can be carbon neutral, biodegradable and sustainable.

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 2:05 PM

    Thought this was an interesting read. Makes me want to do something with the little plot outside my house. But for now I’m going to take a walk down the road with my rubber gloves and pick some delicious nettles.

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 2:56 PM

    Nettle Beer Anyone . . .http://www.wildabout.ie/nettles.html

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    Mute Logan
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    Jun 3rd 2015, 1:33 PM

    The title made me interested in the article. Sadly the article just turned out to be a really long ad. :-/

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 2:43 PM

    Sorry you thought that Logan, and I totally get how beaten down we get by media manipulation. This was an interview I did about our food and how we grow it. We are a very small Artisan Food Producer, we are not a big multinational. We have a 5 acre smallholding where we grow using permaculture techniques, We don’t use any chemicals on our land or in our kitchen.. We sell at farmers markets and now in Supervalu through the Food Academy, an initiative by Bord Bia, the Enterprise Board and Musgraves, aimed to bring small producers like ourselves into the mainstream, giving us the opportunity to grow our business and for us to spread an ethical and environmental ethos. What it has meant for us, is the bigger platform had given us the means to service a debt in moving up a notch, employing someone and taking our business to the next stage. This is not an advert by a large multinational. This is an interview with a genuine small producer. Good Food Ireland Producer of the Year. All Ireland Farmers Market Champions and Guild of Irish Food Writers Award 2015.

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    Mute Katie Does
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    Jun 3rd 2015, 2:59 PM

    No, it’s an advert by a large supermarket chain, piggybacking on your business. You are the product here.

    I wish you well, which may surprise you, and I’d try your product too, because I’m lfortunate enough to be able to occasionally buy food because I feel like, rather than for reasons of nutrition or hunger – unlike a great number of people. But I’d do so a second time not because it’s organic, or because of the permaculture, but if it tasted nice.

    The other stuff is marketing for an affluent picky market, who want to feel virtuous and superior about what they eat, rather than, you know, full. The same ones who are now filling the coffers of those making exorbitantly expensive (though not so bad in Lidl) gluten free food for people who are not coeliacs and have a ‘food intolerance’ that does not really exist.

    Organic/permaculture/chutney is never ever feed large populations and is a distraction at that level. It is of no interest to those feeding people on a tight budget, but serves to make them feel guilty that they are not doing as well as they should.

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 1:26 PM

    Organic is irrelevant when it comes to nutrition. If you are doing it for principle and can afford to, fine. But if you can’t afford it don’t feel the least bit guilty or deprived.

    Also, this always makes me laugh like a drain

    ‘.. we really should make quality, high-end food that we can sell to the rest of the world with pride.’

    So, we should not import food – cos ‘the environment’, health etc – and we should eat and buy only Irish food preferably locally grown. But meanwhile, we should export away like good things – to hell with the environment – and people in other countries should definitely not eat and buy locally, they should eat our better food.

    Hilarious.

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 1:28 PM

    This article has cheered me up no end.

    ‘You could dine out for years on ‘what is the difference between chutney and relish’’

    I can honestly say I’ve been on the planet for over 5 decades and never been in the least bothered by this conundrum. If it came up when I was dining out, I’d question my choice of company.

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 7:14 PM

    Katie I would agree with you there but from a quick google search (your fault for peeking my curiosity and thus lowering my integrity) from what I can see basically ingredients (same can be in both) and cooking time (which can vary in both) and original origin of the names the product of which now probably has no resemblance to what it was after being messed around with all these years.

    Mostly now I think the trems Relish would be used by Americans and Chutney by the English, also Relish would sound more “posh” over the “workingman’s” Chutney and both are basically the same with the ability to make or break a sandwich or burger.

    Must bring this up at my next dinner party methinks……. Hmmm maybe not

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 2:29 PM

    Love Nettles, many of our native hedgerow foods have incredible medicinal properties . . . and they’re FREE !

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 2:50 PM

    Great article. Permaculture and Organic food is the right direction for our little country as we produce enough to feed everyone without Importing (or exporting) our food! There’s more and more courses cropping up all over the country from day courses to full on 2 year degrees. Accessibility is key!

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 2:40 PM

    Avoiding Trans Fats (man made) can reverse Diabetes Type 2. US average intake is 2.2 Kgs per annum …. daft!
    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/fda-trans-fat-ban-118003.html

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 1:36 PM

    Surely this is an ad. Is it a paid for advertisement, if so surely that should be written somewhere?

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 1:46 PM

    It’s brought to you by SuperValu and there’s a #Sponcered.

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 1:50 PM

    Just saw the “Sponsered” on the pic attached to the article on the home page but there is nothing (that I can see) in the article and I must be missing the “Brought to you by Supervalu” because I can’t locate that.

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 2:03 PM

    A wonderful example of ‘ad blindness’ Tricia – I love it. Took me a minute too, but there is a little thing at the top beside the titles, and a big red thing at the bottom of the article. When you see them, they are obvious, but like you I at first just automatically filtered them out as ads.

    Message to Journal advertisers: Your banner ads are pretty much invisible, even the big red ones. On the other hand, a lot of people don’t notice articles are sponsored. Just bear the comments in mind when creating your copy…

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 2:11 PM

    Ha. I only just now noticed the MASSIVE banner ad at the top of the page. So that’s 3 ads, and the one I noticed last is the biggest.

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 2:41 PM

    This just gets funnier and funnier.

    There was a pattern of red/green thumbs here that was quite normal, all comments were green and red to a natural degree..

    Then all of a sudden it changed – like, completely, within about 5 minutes. Any comments not in abject praise of the article are now red-thumbed to death, old and new (banal) favourable comments are green thumbed to the heights.

    The PR company are on the ball anyway and earning their crust, have to give them that. Expect this comment won’t even last long.

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    Jun 3rd 2015, 2:48 PM

    I imagine the people who click on and read this article would mainly be the people who have an interest in organics/ permaculture and whatnot so they would obviously red thumb comments they don’t agree with. I wouldn’t get too paranoid over the thumbs

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    Mute Katie Does
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    Jun 3rd 2015, 3:00 PM

    Not paranoid at all, amused.

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    Mute Stephen Doyle
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    Jun 3rd 2015, 1:19 PM

    Usually get mine in tesco or lidl

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    Mute Katie Does
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    Jun 3rd 2015, 1:31 PM

    I find Aldi occasionally good too, though I do rate Lidl the best of the three.

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