And they call Hamas terrorists!!!!

Rightly so.

Please elaborate!

And the left wing nutters and conspiracy theorists who blame Israel for everything are out in force yet again showing off their stupidity for all to see. The Czech police have said there is was no attack or targetting of Al-Jamal. The “Palestinian” Foreign Minister Riad Malki, who never misses an opportunity to try to blame Israel for something has said the safe was recently moved from the old “embassy” building and had not been opened in 30 years!!! What an “embassy” was doing looking after explosives in it’s safe doesn’t take much imagination, especially given the terrorist activities of Palestinians in Europe back then.

Yeah the Israelis again. Mossad are at the dirty tricks again. Anything to prevent the Palestinians from gaining their rightful freedom. Usual pro Israeli right wing nutters in here justifying this attack.

And Seamus is, as usual behind the times and completely misinformed. The idiot blew himself up, the pa-lies-tinians have even admitted it. No comment on the leak from the Czech police that they found a cache of weapons and explosives? Terrorists the lot of them.

Some safes can be fitted with small charges to destroy secret documents in the event of the lock being tampered with. However, the Czech police appeared to leave open the possibility that the diplomatic mission might have been storing explosives.

Seamus, what attack? There is no evidence as of yet that it was. I don’t see the right wing nutters. I do see left wing nutters blaming Israel.

If there is no evidence, it means it was a job well done.

The kind of idiots on the anti-Israel bandwagon like to blame Israel for everything & anything. Israel has been the cause of flooding in Gaza, an earthquake in Iran & the Tsunami in the Pacific in the last few years. The irrational hatred of Israel is strong in the hearts of some very vocal empty vessels in Ireland. They don’t seem half as concerned about the hundreds of thousands of people killed in Syria, Sudan or Congo in recent years though. The anti-Israel bandwagon is obviously far too glamourous for them to miss.

It’s apparent what wagon you’re hitched to, TFM. I’m just happy you’re not doing the cut and paste job anymore.

Actually it was a decent safe with security features. Safes have been fitted with these for 150 years. Not that you could appreciate the need for security……

Thumbs down from the staff of Treadstone and Black Briar.

I gave you a red thumb.Just because you’re ideologically opposed to a Palestinian state doesn’t make it any less real nor the pursuit of it.

@ Leigh Power, do you really think I care about the opinion of somebody I don’t know?

Well you cared enough to.comment on it. Just pointing out that real people are giving you red thumbs.

Al-Jamal was born in 1957, in Beirut’s Sabra and Shatilla refugee camp. His family is originally from Jaffa in what is now Israel. That would make him Lebanese by birth and Israeli Arab by Heritage. It took me a while to find anything on him. Should have expected that one anyway before I laid down the challenge :).

The fact his family were driven from their homes during the ethnic cleansing drives of 1948 does not lessen his or any of the refugees right of return. Then again , you have to be Jewish to enjoy full citizenship rights in Israel , even if like Shimon Peres you were born abroad. Genius play on words ( pa-lies -tinians) by the way , you must be very proud.

A good friend of mine Jamal was born in Palestine.

Ethnic Cleansing Drive of 1948? Oh! You mean when Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian and Iraqi forces invaded Israel, got their arses handed to them in a sack and the invading forces were kicked out of Israel along with the fifth columnists that tagged along? It seems to be a common tactic with muslims, they start a fight, lose it due to incompetence and go crying to the International community to save them from whoever they pissed off. In fact, have they ever won a war without Western help?
And I can’t take credit for pa-lies-tinian. Although I do use it ad nauseum I know.

I have tremendous sympathy for the Palestinian Arabs in both the West Bank and Gaza, who are trapped between a rock and a hard place – the rock being their own leaders and the Arab League and the hard place being Israel and the IDF.
In 1948 following the Israeli War of Independence, approx. 700,000 Palestinian Arabs became refugees. In the following years, approx. 900,000 Jews from Arab lands became refugees too, ‘encouraged’ to leave those countries.
Today, there is not a single Jewish refugee from that time; there are however hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arab refugees, along with their families. Why? Why has not the Arab League absorbed it’s brother Arabs? Why do they remain living in squalid and disgusting refugee camps?
In the past 64+ years, much has happened in the world. I won’t begin to debate the rights and wrongs of the Middle East conflict as I have work to go to and we could be on screen for hours if not days.
As has become obvious from the Arab Spring, treatment of Arabs by their leaders has been ‘unsatisfactory’, hence the uprisings. The treatment of Palestinian Arabs has been worst of all and not by Israel, but by their own leaders.
Right now in the West Bank, Salam Fayad, the PM, is building the infrastructure of a state for the Palestinian people and there is relative calm there. It will take time but the basis for a future state is now being created and will hopefully emerge in due course. Gaza on the other hand is in chaos.

I guess I was too optimistic to think you had outgrown the cut and paste.

No I mean when the Stern gang and other Zionist militias drove the Arab inhabitants of Palestine out of their homes and planted forests over the remains of their villages.

Moron

You’ll need to be more specific, Maggie.

Stooke Bruno STOOOOKE

You alright, pal?

Like I said, you can’t deny it.

Munich = Black September(Palestinians)

As for the Bulgarian attack the German intelligence agencies have raised skepticism about direct Hezbollah involvement and the most the US and Bulgaria have said so far is the ‘reasonable assumption’ (in other words no evidence) to directly link Hezbollah.No doubt there was some involvement from Lebanon through individuals which may have had contacts with Hezbollah.

As much as people like to give out about any ardent pro Palestinian/ anti Israeli for focussing too much on blaming Israel for everything you seem to be drinking out of the same cup.

The US state departments description of Hezbollah still attributes the bombing of the US base in Riyadh to them even though it is widely acknowledged even by the secretary of state at the time that it was Al Qaeda.

It’s always better to do some independent research around rather than just believing the first reports put out into the media by such agencies.

The NYT and HRW report on the chemical attack in Ghouta placing the missile originating from a Syrian govt base 9km away has been debunked now as they were launched within 3km of the impact site and they have accepted that themselves and this was the most prominent public information trying to leverage opinion in support of bombing Syria.

Irony? ffs try sneerery

Wow !!! Way to add new words to the English language :-))) as a famous UK politician one said … It’s like being savaged by a dead sheep !!

He is the Irish Minister for Justice, why would he possibly want to comment on someone blowing up a safe unintentionally in another country. Sympathy to the diplomats family, it was a tragic example of trying to save the PA a few quid by not getting a locksmith in, patriotic but at the ultimate personal cost.

Kevin ur hilarious …. it’s nice that you know exactly what happened and shared that with us. <<>> I was thinking it couldn’t possibly be Mossad as it’s very unlike something they would do. It is much more likely that a diplomat would have the iq of a baboon and do something so stupid as to defy belief !!

Any word from Clonskeagh on the matter?

Mossad would have no interest in a diplomat operating in a secondary EU capital. What had the deceased done to deserve removal? You place a terrible slur on this deceased man.

Ridiculous comment …. I placed no slur on this poor man. Indeed you did by suggesting that he did something so crazy. Of course Mossad would never want to assassinate a member of the Palastinian diplomatic corps. And we know from their history and past actions that they are upstanding honest citizens …. Indeed I believe quite a lot of them are Irish …. or at least carry Irish passports.

All new agencies are carrying this as an accident; I’m not going to argue with a deranged fool on some bizarre conspiracy theory.

Yeah … Better to rely on your judgement that the ridiculous scenario being initially put out is true then my “crazy” conspiracy theory that Mossad would assassinate a Palastinian diplomat ! What’s the weather like up there in cloud cuckoo land ?

Believe what you want to; but you are at odds with the PA, Czech Government and every news agency out there = Loony Tunes (c)

Well we shall see … and btw throwing personal comments out there does nothing to cement your argument just makes you look childish and struggling to hold up a coherent argument …. waste of time having a discussion with someone who acts like that.

Rationally out line why

1. The Czech government are wrong.
2. Why the Palestinian Authority are wrong.
3. Why the World meedja are wrong.

If you can do that then I am happy to remove the health warnings previously added to your previous baseless commentary that in the context of the Irish Times report lacks objectivity in the extreme.

I cannot ….. and neither can you outline the reasons that my hypothesis may not be true ! The news agencies are merely reporting what the Czech police are saying in the immediate aftermath of the incident. They are unlikely to say at this VERY early stage of an investigation that they think it was Mossad and immediately trigger international tensions. It makes much more sense to issue a non committal statement and investigate fully. And no I am not a conspiracy theorist as you suggest ( without knowing me ) but you cannot be so ignorant as to ignore the past history of Mossad and the ridiculous nature if this poor mans death. It’s hard not to think 2 plus 2 equals 4 ! But I would suggest waiting for the investigation rather then relying on news media …. Open your mind.

At least you have the decency to admit that you are speculating wildly. The word of the Czech police is evidence enough for any right minded person.

The word of the Czech police is a holding statement pending full investigation … So it would would be prudent ( if unlikely ) and also decent ( if unlikely ) that you would be smart enough to admit that you are speculating also.

I am merely reiterating press reports that were devoid of any link to any third party let alone country. Admit that it is you alone who are engaging in speculation by introducing the security branch of a country not linked in any way with this tragic accident.

Yes you are “merely” reiterating bland press statements issued in the immediate aftermath of a very suspicious event. And I would bet that 90 per cent of the journalists involved are all thinking that this at the VERY least merits serious investigation and not just filing under tragic BIZARRE accident as you seem to be content to settle for. Tell me as a matter of curiosity what was your take on the Mossad assai action squad that were caught carrying Irish passports ? Do you have a theory on that …. Was it all a massive misunderstanding ? And btw that took a lot of time to discover …. it was not all in a contemporaneous news report.

Why have they got arms and explosives in the building next door?

Ian -you are deliberately going way off topic to try to hide the fact that your wild and nakedly polemical assertions have been found out. Safes are often fitted with security devices to deter thefts, sadly this diplomat set off such a device despite having the right but not the means to enter it.

Ok that is your belief …. now if could answer the question which you avoided answering … and it is not “off topic” as you put it … To the best of my knowledge we were discussing ( regardless of what you or I believe ) Mossad and assassinations … So tell me how that is off topic …. as I said regardless of which of us is right in the end it could not be more ON topic …. So I await ur answer with baited breadth …..

So point out where in the article that any third party is linked to this; other than your own wild imagination.

Ok clearly you are afraid / unwilling to answer a question that is clearly ON topic to OUR discussion so people can draw their own conclusions from that. Not much point in arguing with someone who does not have the courage of their convictions to answer a simple “on topic” ( to paraphrase you ) question. Have a wonderful night.

You started a thread asking when the Minister for Justice of Ireland was going to comment on an incident in another country that the local police have found to be a tragic accident.

Why would anyone answer off topic questions entirely unrelated to your utterly daft question?

You clearly didn’t understand that it was firstly an ironic question and secondly a rhetorical question. And as for you preposterous excuse for your lack of courage to answer an on topic question as I said people are not stupid and will draw their own conclusions. You clearly were happy to ask me lots of questions regarding the whole Mossad / assassinations topic but now you throw out that limp excuse to run away from giving an honest answer. As I said people are not as stupid as you seem to assume and will work that put for themselves.

Absolute waste of time having a discussion with someone who refuses to answer a question leading anyone intelligent to believe they would prefer hide their answer then give it. Which begs the question why ? Regardless … as I said pointless arguing with someone who does not have the courage of their convictions.

I am not running away from anything; how Israel defends itself is its own business and of no relevance to a tragic accident in a country who has made it clear that they do not believe even another person let alone another country is involved.

What that has to do with Minister for Justice of Ireland is unclear unless you are making a pointedly sectarian linkage; which would be disgraceful and have no place in a secular society with parity of esteem .

Hilarious !

Re Hyeon.

Well, Israel is commonly referred to as the only democracy in the Middle East. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It is an ethnocracy. Israel ensures that the population of Jerusalem never has less than 72 Jewish people out of every 100 people living there in residence. This is not the only place the Israelis do this.
An ethnocracy is in its very nature an undemocratic society.

@ Horgay, are you seriously saying that Israel is LESS democratic than the countries surrounding it in the Middle East. And your definition of an ethnocracy is so wrong, you barely got the name right. Ethnocracy is a form of government where representatives of a particular ethnic group hold a number of government posts disproportionately large to the percentage of the total population that the particular ethnic group(s) represents and use them to advance the position of their particular ethnic group(s) to the detriment of others. As 75 % of the Israeli population is Jewish then it is actually a democracy as opposed to the Theocracies so prevalent in muslim countries.
Better luck next time.

Re Robert.

Wrong. The 72% quota is stated policy. It is an ethnocracy.

The 75 % is a stated fact from census, you continuously spouting shite does not make it the truth, so quit while you have some dignity left…. Oops too late.

Re Robert.

The forced relocation of 40,000 to 60,000 Bedoin is not part of a desire to maintain demographics? It is not merely land grabbing.

The relocation from camps in the Negev to towns purpose built by the government? That was shelved about a month ago. And show me any government that will allow non sanctioned settlements to be built without planning permission.

Re Robert.

Do you mean the towns the Israeli government promised to build for the Bedoin, but have not materialised.

Israel has demolished 70,000 to 80,000 Palestinian homes in Israel and will not give planning permission in Israel to Palestinians. These are facts. You cannot argue with the truth Robert.

You are an apologies for a most vile right wing regime that is the Israeli government.

I think you mean apologist. Israel needs no apologists it has the means and the determination to stand on it’s own which it has to do all too frequently because of muslim djimmis like you poisoning the air we breathe. Of course Israel demolishes pa-lies-tinian homes, it’s the quickest way to get rid of the bomb factories built there. You don’t invite more vipers into your home, you destroy their nests and kill them all.

Re Robert.

Boy oh boy.
I see your a blind believer in Israel.

I made a mistake. It’s actually 27,000 documented demolishings of Palestinian homes in Israel. Of course the undocumented is a figure several times the one above.

No I’m not a blind believer in Israel, although you sound kind of like George Galloway with the anti-Israeli crap you are spewing. I am pro-Israeli, in fact I am pro any nation that combats islamic terrorism with it’s own tools of terror. islamic terrorists spend so much time targeting women and children, and hiding behind their own why should they be afforded a place to breed more generations of terrorists?

That’s why I asked my question, David. Tomás must be a very skilled and high profile explosion investigator. The fact that he seems to know more than the local law enforcement investigators and the victim’s own investigators leaves me believe that he must be in a very well paid job.

Was that supposed to be funny? Don’t give up the “day job” because you will have no future as a comedian. The facts are quite clear: a Palestinian has been killed outside of his home land and when that happens the number one suspect is always a mossad death squad. Just wait and see and have the sense to look beyond the current Zionist disinformation campaign of lies and rumours.

Tomás, you said quite clearly that it was done by Zionists, with no ifs, ands or buts. You didn’t say that the Mossad was likely to be behind it. Based on your initial comment no investigation needs to be done as you know exactly what agency is responsible. Now, if you had said something along the lines of “in my opinion, it was probably the Mossad” then that would be different. If, as the Palestinians and the Czechs are claiming, it is proven that it was an accident caused by the man himself, will you admit you’re wrong? Probably not!