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The LE Emer's first crew Irish Naval Service

LÉ Emer to be decommissioned in ceremony today

The naval ship will be decomissioned in Cork City today, after 35 years of service to the Irish State.

SHE HELPED IN search and rescue after the Fastnet disaster, went on a resupply mission to South Lebanon and is named after a woman in Irish mythology.

But today, after 35 years of service to the Irish State, the LÉ Emer is to be decommissioned in a ceremony in Cork city.

LÉ Emer was the first Naval Service ship to carry out UNIFIL resupply mission in 1979 to South Lebanon, and was involved in the search and rescue operation during the Fastnet disaster off the West Cork coast in 1979.

She also played a key role in the seizure of the gun-running fishing vessel “Marita Anne” in 1984.

Commodore Mark Mellett, Flag Officer Commanding the Naval Service, said of the LÉ Emer:

This ship has served her country enormously over the past 35 years and all of her crew, both serving and retired, can be very proud of their hard work and effort throughout her life in the Naval Service.

History

LÉ Emer is the oldest ship in the Naval Service fleet and is one of four vessels that were built in Verolme Cork Dockyard.

Since she was commissioned on 16 January 1978, she has had 23 captains and has sailed approximately 518,000 nautical miles – approximately equivalent to the moon and back.

Her final Captain is Lieutenant Commander Alan O’Regan, a Cork native, so it is only fitting that the ceremony will take place in Cork today.

The name Emer was chosen as it comes from Celtic mythology – Emer was the wife of Cúchulainn and “was known to be a proud and dominant woman”.

The flames in the ship’s crest represent the virtues of womanhood, according to the naval service.

It was announced earlier this year that both LÉ Emer and LÉ Aoife are to be decommissioned, and that the new ships taking their place will be called after James Joyce and Samuel Beckett.

The new names will “facilitate greater recognition of the ships when they visit foreign ports”, according to Minister for Justice Alan Shatter.

Here are some photos of the LE Emer throughout the years:

The LE Emer
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  • The LE Emer

    Source: Irish Naval Service
  • LE Emer's first crew

    Source: Irish Naval Service
  • LE Emer's final crew

    Source: Irish Naval Service
  • LE Emer Crest

    Source: Naval Service
  • LE Emer pictured at Greenore Port recently

    Source: John O'Hanlon

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    Mute JJ
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    Oct 1st 2016, 7:02 AM

    I doubt it does come up at the doorstep most people are concerned about housing, schools, childcare, USC / taxes, transport , crime etc repealing the 8 amendment seems to be an agenda the liberal media is pushing .

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    Oct 1st 2016, 7:34 AM

    Like this article for example. I have yet to hear it in any conversation apart from media.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 7:48 AM

    It’s a easier sell for the left, than say coming up with a sustainable plan to deal with all the industrial unrest that’s hitting the country at the moment.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 7:56 AM

    I have brought it up in the door step to Mary Mitchell O Connor and her response was “well sometimes women need protecting from themselves”, and yes that is a quote.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:22 AM

    It’s come up on my doorstep plenty. It’s the first thing I ask any politician that knocks. It’s also come up as a discussion amongst my friends, my colleagues and my family. Maybe that’s because I’m a woman of child-bearing age and it directly affects me.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:40 AM

    Given the extreme nature of your pro abortion commentary Paul I highly doubt anyone will believe you.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:49 AM

    @Kate Mooney: it directly affects you. how? you obviously weren’t aborted, so unless you are planning having one or already had one, how do you know it will affect you.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 9:03 AM

    What politicians come near your doorstep unless there’s an election forthcoming.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 9:37 AM

    We’re 200bn in death, can’t afford houses, have people dying on trollies in our hospitals, we are crippled by taxation, our police force, teachers, transport workers and nurses are all going on strike and the Journal, AAA, PBF and others expect repeal the 8th to come up at the doorsteps? Most people just want to keep a roof over their head and put some bread on the table.

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    Mute Tom Burke
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    Oct 1st 2016, 9:43 AM

    So how many doorsteps have you Kate?

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    Mute Deborah Behan
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    Oct 1st 2016, 9:53 AM

    Put it this way, any politician that does not support repealing the 8th will not get a single preference from me it’s that simple. You can all cry and moan but know I’m not the only one and we’re not going anywhere.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:03 AM

    Thats fair enough Deborah once you have fully considered the impacts and made any decision to be made. But consider impacts of an additional 100,000+ medical procedures for example.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:05 AM

    @Deborah Behan:

    Sorry Deborah but my brother in law accompanied a candidate in the last election, Leinster constituency but not Dublin.
    They visited hundreds of houses and it came up 4/5 times.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:33 AM

    You need to earwig elsewhere!

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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:51 AM

    It will directly affect me if I have a crisis pregnancy, if I become ill while pregnant, if I misscarry, if I find out I am carrying a feotus with a fatal fetal abnormality…..basically once I become pregnant it will hang over my head and could have serious consequences on my physical and mental well-being.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 11:06 AM

    Must be hard living life so pessimistic

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    Oct 1st 2016, 11:29 AM

    well, ya were hardly expecting anything resembling an intelligent reply from that yoke?

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    Oct 1st 2016, 11:33 AM

    @Neville Hayes: that comment shouldn,t be here, was in reply to paul fahey’s comment above

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    Mute EvieXVI
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    Oct 1st 2016, 11:52 AM

    @gerry it directly affects everyone. We all have a mother, daughter, sister, or female relative who could be affected. Someone who could actually be denied medical treatment, or worst case, die as a result of this amendment not being repealed. It has happened. Less of this ‘not in my backyard’ attitude..

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    Oct 1st 2016, 12:26 PM

    But Evie should you use a hammer to crack a nut? Why not more granular approach rather than all or nothing? Referendum 1 to deal with FFA etc and allow this to be sorted. I think this would easily pass so we could have the water referendum same day. Then within a year the next step with all cards laid on the table for an informed and debated. To me it seems that those who want abortion on demand (loose terminology) will use the FFA reason to remove the amendment (which was voted by people who now are parents of young adults) to remove the protection for the unborn. These need to be separated. Doesn’t seem to be a popular comment on here.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 12:43 PM

    The 8th is part of health. It will only affect a small number of women. But it’s important to them. So what is Fianna Fail main aim. Ensure there friends in NAMA get the same deal as FG friends in NAMA.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 12:49 PM

    @lavbeer, it is generally agreed by all medical professionals as well as constitutional experts that putting specifics about health care and prognosis (such as allowing for FFA) into the constitution is a bad idea. Medical science changes, new conditions are discovered and having such nuanced issues ruled by a constitution which cannot be amended easily and in line with scientific advancements is dangerous. No other country in the world (except Chile perhaps?) puts abortion into its constitution, its not where it belongs. If we had politicians who thought more about what’s best for the citizens of the country instead of their next election result they would have the guts to legislate for these issues, with the advice and knowledge of medical practitioners.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:02 PM

    Odin – ah you see I can prove it, I had written dialogue with her canvasser after who acknowledged it and described it as car crash stuff.

    I would be interested in what you describe as extreme.

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    Mute Brian Lenehan
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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:29 PM

    And I would be the exact opposite, and I’ve told every candidate and canvasser the same prior to the last election. My number one, Jack Chambers, topped the poll, whereas the pro-aborts Burton and Coppinger scraped in. Countless other lefties didn’t get a look in.
    Apparently it was brought up often enough at the door, but significantly more often by pro-life people than pro-aborts.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:36 PM

    Brian – but as someone who has previously stood for the Christian Solidarity Party you would say that. In terms of a referendum only one answer can top the poll and it seems 87% of people will be on that side.
    2002 Brian Lenehan, Christian Solidarity Party, Longford and Roscommon 80 FP Votes. Are you sure you want to criticise other for not topping their poll, but getting elected.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:48 PM

    @lavbeer: The 8th Amendment equates the life of a woman to that of an embryo, this is still true is cases of FFA. It needs to be repealed. We need a referendum to repeal it. The ‘abortion on demand’ scenario is separate, and is being used as an excuse by many who are against repealing it.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:50 PM

    Longford Roscommon? Why would I be running in Longford Roscommon? I never lived there in my life. I’m in Dublin, Dick Treacy. Tool.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:53 PM

    Brian – dishonesty is a sin, like rape not a ten commandment though.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Solidarity_Party
    Many of your friends have run for them too, funny that they got bigger all votes too. Are you suggesting this was not you?

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:53 PM

    @Kate Mooney: I would tend to agree with you that putting specifics into the Constitution is a bad idea, but realistically, that is what you are looking at.

    A full scale repeal would fail.

    And the reason it would fail is because, contrary to what you state, abortion is not not in fact in our constitution. What is in our Constitution is the right to life, which I suggest, should be in the Constitution.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 2:13 PM

    Thats the play Evie. Its the same. It obviously is not. I wholly disagree that it is used as an excuse. It may be seen as a first step middle ground for people who haven’t fully committed either way. The silent majority I suspect.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 2:16 PM

    @lavbeer What is the same? Or not the same? I genuinely don’t know what you mean.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 2:36 PM

    Evie. Medically required abortion versus abortion for convienence.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 3:03 PM

    @lavbeer: My point is that the 8th amendment has resulted in a denial of medical treatment for women who need it.

    I don’t like the term ‘abortion for convienence’ because I don’t believe that any more than a handful of women make the decision lightly. And who but a woman and her medical carers can know what ‘convenience’ even means in an individual case? But that is a different argument, granted.

    In the meantime, the 8th amendment has our hands tied in the cases of FFA, and many cases of medically required termination. Which is why it needs to be repealed.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 3:47 PM

    Or amended. I do agree with your sentiment thought.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 4:03 PM

    Exactly Mick – and then it’s usually just to add to the pile of junk mail in the hall.

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    Mute Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Oct 1st 2016, 4:20 PM

    @EvieXVI: What “medical Treatment”

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    Oct 1st 2016, 4:40 PM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain: termination of pregnancy. Get with the programme Maria.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 7:39 PM

    Q : What “medical treatment”

    Answer :Abortion is a medical treatment

    What is “Abortion for convenience” ?

    Medical abortion (abortion pill), Up to 9 weeks £546
    Up to 14 weeks, No Anaesthetic (awake) £644
    Up to 14 weeks, Sedation £725
    Up to 14 weeks, General Anaesthetic £789
    Over 14-19 weeks, Sedation £927
    Over 14-19 weeks, General Anaesthetic (asleep)
    General Anaesthetic (asleep)£2,040

    At those prices it doesn’t seem very “convenient” to just have an abortion

    Q : Who are just “pro aborts” ?
    That would mean every pro choice person wants every pregnancy terminated.That is insane.

    Do try to keep up.

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    Mute Graham Quinn
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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:17 PM

    @P.J. Nolan 4/5 times eh? So that would be 80% of doorsteps. Quite the hot topic wouldn’t you agree?

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 12:53 AM

    We could make jobs and create more taxation by appealing !!

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 9:34 AM

    More jobs in private clinics indeed but as 40% of the country pays nothing for medical care the taxpayer will be picking up the bill. And have a guess at who will benefit. As for price list above – compare that to raising the kid, it is a snip.

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    Mute Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Oct 2nd 2016, 10:42 AM

    @EvieXVI: That is not a “medical treatment”. It is an elective procedure, which “treats” nothing.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 10:44 AM

    @West Cork Lad: Abortion is not a “medical treatment”. It is an elective procedure (or to use abprtion parlance a “choice” )which “treats” nothing.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 11:22 AM

    Semantics Maria – I think you’ll find that referring to an elective procedure as a medical treatment is widely accepted.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 2:31 PM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain: “Abortion is not a “medical treatment”. It is an elective procedure (or to use abprtion parlance a “choice” )which “treats” nothing.”

    Get your facts right ..Abortion IS a medical treatment.
    It is USED by DOCTORS to save over 600 lives in America every year.

    You’re welcome!

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    Mute Maria Mhic Mheanmain
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    Oct 2nd 2016, 8:10 PM

    @EvieXVI: It may be “widely accepted” but it is not true.
    A medical treatment is that which treats and hopefully cures a pathological condition.

    A an abortion is a medical procedure, but it is not a treatment for any pathological condition.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 8:12 PM

    @West Cork Lad: Wrong West Cork lad.

    It is a medical Procedure, but not a treatment for anything.

    You are wrong.

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    Mute EvieXVI
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    Oct 2nd 2016, 8:37 PM

    Well it is a treatment for unwanted pregnancy. And it is medical. So, as I said, semantics.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 8:50 PM

    @EvieXVI: An unwanted pregnancy is not a pathological condition.
    And abortion for it is an elective procedure i.e. a choice.
    Not a treatment for anything.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 9:44 PM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain: It is actually a treatment though, in that it treats the condition (the unwanted pregnancy, pregnancy being a condition).

    Medical treatment involves the management and care of a patient. Medical treatment is a broad term, and does not refer exclusively to the elimination of pathology. And just because a treatment is elective does not make it less of a treatment. A mastectomy, for example, is often elective, but is carried out as a treatment for cancer.

    So, to be clear, termination of pregnancy is a treatment for the condition of an unwanted pregnancy. You might like it, but it’s true. Furthermore, you can keep going on and on about this (I know that you will), but it really is semantics, and adds nothing to your argument.

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    Oct 3rd 2016, 7:20 AM

    @EvieXVI: It is ‘USED’ by DOCTORS to ‘SAVE’ women’s lives and that is what is TEARING Maria apart.

    Poor pet!

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:44 AM

    the journal daily schedule
    abortion repeal the eight – done
    Gerry Adams ate my hamster – done
    Donald trump is a bad man (and he ate my hamster) – done
    irrelevant poll – pending

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    Oct 1st 2016, 9:49 AM

    So stuff people actually want to read about except you?

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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:19 AM

    @gerry o donell:
    Welcome to another groundhog day on the Journal.ie

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    Oct 1st 2016, 11:33 AM

    Typical AAA and PBP bs. Replace it with what? Like them calling to end taxes but not explaining what to replace it with.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 12:57 PM

    We’re due another Ibrahim Halawa article too, it’s been a few days since the last one!

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:18 PM

    @Do the Bort man: Yes I feel its overdue as well. I’ll have my hankie ready

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:58 PM

    @gerry o donell: I’m strongly in favour of the opportunity of biting on repeal of the eight amendment. Therefore I welcome articles on the topic.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 9:16 PM

    @Con O Sullivan: I hope they can delay The Halawa story until my new BS detector gets here, the last one went kaput after only 3 stories which is odd as I normally get between 4 and 5 stories, I use the word stories rather than articles for good reason. The last story was about having his head shaved almost daily and carried a photo of a man who hadn’t been near a barber in almost a year, it seemed be pulling at the heartstrings of fellow Irishmen while he held up a message in Arabic, yes stories, made up, fictitious stories from The Muslim Brotherhood. Based on the writings of Hans Christian Anderson, well maybe just Hans Anderson if you get my drift.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 5:28 AM

    I canvased at the last election and the 8th was mentioned about 5 times st the doors and on each occasion by people saying they didn’t want a referendum. Nobody, but nobody, mentioned Repeal and it wasn’t Renua I was canvassing for and nobody would have been aware of my personal views on the issue..

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 8:26 AM

    @Stephen Duffy: You are an anti choice person who spends a lot of time on “Cora Sherlock’s” twitter page. You are not to be believed.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 9:27 AM

    Pro this, anti that. Keep the terms coming and populace confused. Much more clarity is required before any referendum.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 2:00 PM

    @lavbeer: If you don’t want abortion under any circumstances,then you’re anti -choice.
    There is a majority of people that will agree with abortion for cases like -FFA-RAPE-INCEST.
    Then there is people like me who lets it up to the woman & her physician.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:30 AM

    There is no groundswell of opinion to Repeal the right to life. How do we know that to be the case?

    Because if that were true, there would have been a referendum already.

    There will be no referendum to repeal (because it will fail)

    There may be a referendum to amendment it, but that is the best pro aborts can hope for.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:16 AM

    Yeah… It’s not because anti-abortion activists are doing their best to stifle a referendum and our politicians are political cowards. There is huge support for a referendum. If you are so sure the vote will go your way why are you so afraid to have it?

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:00 PM

    100 per cent, the referendum will happen. Guaranteed.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:38 PM

    @Seth Cheffetz: No there is not huge support for a referendum. If there was the referendum would have happened already, regardless of the efforts of pro lifers.

    And that is not just me saying it Enda kenny, leo Varadkar, and recently Katherine Zappone have all admitted that a simple Repeal will fail.

    I am not afraid to have it. I am saying it is wrong to have a referendum to remove constitutional rights from anyone.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:40 PM

    @Sean: 100 per cent a repeal referendum won’t happen. Guaranteed!

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    Oct 1st 2016, 3:27 PM
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    Oct 1st 2016, 3:36 PM

    @EvieXVI: Yes I have read that before and it does make entertaining reading.

    The parties are doing their own Private Polls, and one in particular has shown that only the most restrictive abortion regime will pass muster. That is why the likes of Vardkar and Zappone have said that a simple “repeal” will fail. They did not just pick it out of the ether.

    Indeed the poll you link, backs this up. That poll shows support for abortion in specific circumstances.

    It also shows that support for abortion as a matter of choice, is the same as it was thirty years ago. That is why a referendum on dumping the right to life, which will end up as abortion for a matter of choice, will fail. And therefore will not be put to the people.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 3:49 PM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain:

    I’m glad that you find it entertaining, but I don’t think that’s the point.

    The referendum that is being called for is one to repeal the 8th amendment. As stated in this Irish Times article from July, ‘Two-thirds of voters say they are in favour of repealing the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution to allow for abortion in cases of rape and fatal foetal abnormalities, according to the latest Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI poll’

    You keep saying that the referendum will fail. As can be seen by anyone with eyes, there is huge support for repealing the 8th amendment. So a referendum to repeal the 8th amendment will, in all likelihood, pass.

    I don’t know why you insist on saying that ‘a simple “repeal” will fail.’ Deluded perhaps?

    The IFPA have compiled a list of statistics to that might help to rid you of these delusions:
    ‘For more than a decade, there has been a significant shift in public attitudes towards abortion in Ireland. Opinion polls and research consistently show increased support for access to abortion within Ireland’:

    https://www.ifpa.ie/Hot-Topics/Abortion/Public-Opinion

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    Oct 1st 2016, 4:08 PM

    @EvieXVI: I know that what is being called for is a simple repeal, but that is not going to happen.

    The best you will get is an amendment to cover the specific circumstances which the poll you reference cites. You are providing a link to a poll and yet ignoring what the poll tells you.

    A full repeal of the right to life will fail, because, it is not about abortion, choice, women or even health. It will be about removing the right to life from a category who have it. , and once removed will lead to abortion as a matter of “choice”. As even the poll you link tells us, support for abortion as a matter of “choice” is low.

    And besides as I said before, the parties themselves are conducting their own polls. And it is as result of those that the likes of leo varadkar, Katherine Zappone, and others are saying (so it is not just me) that a referendum to simply dump the right to life will fail.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 4:26 PM

    You keep saying it will fail. You do not know that. Politicians are hardly impartial, and will release statistics as and when it suits them. So I would prefer to rely on independent sources. The statistics show that there is indeed a majority in favour of having this referendum and that when it is held it will pass.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 4:38 PM

    @EvieXVI: I am saying because it I know it, and even politicians who favor it know it. That is why there will be no referendum on repeal, but there might be an amendment.

    If there was a hope of a referendum on repealing passing, it would have happened already.

    Look Evie one of two things will happen.

    Either there will be a referendum to dump the right to life, which will fail
    or
    there will be a referendum to amend Article 40.3.3 which might have a chance of scraping past, but also runs the risk of being defeated, because pro aborts will refuse to support any restrictions on abortion.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 4:42 PM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain: Once again, YOU DO NOT KNOW IT. Nobody does. The polls indicate that you’re wrong, but YOU DO NOT KNOW.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 4:56 PM

    @EvieXVI: The polls indicate that I am right Evie, including the one you referenced!

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    Oct 1st 2016, 4:57 PM

    I referenced several polls. My point is simple. YOU DO NOT KNOW what the result will be.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 10:46 AM

    @EvieXVI: And they ALL indicate limited support for abortion, limited to the cases outlined. Therefore any referendum will be limited to an amendment to allow for theses.

    A referendum to repeal will fail.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 11:34 AM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain: First of all the whole point about this Journal.ie and most other discussions is that there is huge support for repealing the 8th amendment.

    The results of the July poll in the Irish Times are there in black and white: ‘Two-thirds of voters say they are in favour of repealing the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution to allow for abortion in cases of rape and fatal foetal abnormalities.’ 2/3 IN FAVOUR. Legislating for cases such as FFA require that the 8th amendment be repealed.

    Now, back to my original point. Again. Because you still know the outcome in advance, could you please give me the Lotto numbers for the next draw?

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 8:17 PM

    @EvieXVI: I understand that but it is wrong.

    How do we know it is wrong Evie?

    Because if there was “huge support” for dumping the right to life, they would have had the referendum already. The reason they don’t have the referendum on repealing is because it will fail. (Enda Kenny, leo Varadkar, Katherine Zappone)

    Therefore what you might get is an amendment referendum that covers the cases you outline.

    Absolutely not evie, i ‘d rather give them to a worthy pro life cause than someone like you!

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 8:26 PM

    Yawn

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 8:34 PM

    @EvieXVI: Ah yes, having waffled your way through with polls you clearly don’t understand yourself, you have shown your true level of discourse!

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 11:16 PM

    @Maria Mhic Mheanmain: as an absolutist, you have to be absolutely right.

    Fortunately, your superior, obnoxious, all knowing and infallible outlook is not just lacking in persuasion, it aids the pro-choice side.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 6:47 AM

    Ignorant Catholic intolerance is thankfully dying out in this country and eventually we can create a fair society where twisted old men in silly uniforms can ever again control women’s lives

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    Oct 1st 2016, 7:30 AM

    To be replaced by ignorant intolerance of another kind. The neoliberal agenda of amnesty and other advocacy groups have lead to an intolerance of another kind – agree with me or suffer my indignant wrath. The Irish times is leading this charge.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 7:46 AM

    I think they’re known as the liberal taliban.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 9:56 AM

    @John that’s what you think about women?

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:20 PM

    @jason neoliberalism refers to free market economics including privatisation of services and reduction of state interference and has nothing to do with the debate on extending access to abortion. So in the USA, Republicans are more likely to be both neoliberal and anti-abortion.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 9:59 AM

    Not many people are in favour of killing babies. And even if they were it would not make it right.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:34 AM

    Call the gardai if you are aware of babies being killed.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 2:34 PM

    They are being killed in the uk.
    It’s not subject to prosecution here.
    But you knew that…

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    Oct 1st 2016, 3:23 PM

    @Daisy Chainsaw: I think I know why you chose the name Chainsaw.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 6:19 PM

    @Tom Burke: Then dial 999 and ask to be put through to Scotland Yard. Killing babies is a crime. Aborting a zygote or a foetus before 24 weeks in the UK isn’t

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    Oct 1st 2016, 6:31 PM

    Tom – your post from yesterday, best you get on the phone, but my bet is you are talking out of your sphincter, as usual:

    “Being the upstanding citizen that you are, if you have any evidence of any man committing murder, be he dress wearing or otherwise, I would implore you to advise the authorities ASAP.
    Unless of course you are talking through your sphincter”

    Quick call Scotland Yard you may save a life, but not face.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 7:59 PM

    @Padraic Reid: “Not many people are in favour of killing babies. And even if they were it would not make it right.”

    And thankfully that doesn’t happen with abortion.Killing babies is never right.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 6:49 AM

    Citizens’ Assembly
    Specialists groups
    Advisors
    Committee or Commission
    All to delay and outwit.
    Ultimately the people should and will decide .
    Grow a set Mehole and Ends,
    Stop denying and delaying the inevitable referendum.
    If voted No, we decided.
    If Yes , repeal, we decided.
    Not your right to decide what should be the right of others….

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    Oct 1st 2016, 7:38 AM

    If we vote no the clamour for nrxt referendum will start. Fix the unintended consequences first and see what is legislated for snd how it is implemented. Expect HSE to agree a taxpayer funded deal with FG mate at the beacon.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 7:58 AM

    Lavbeer – can you read the poll indications? If you are so confident of victory support the call for the referendum and then smugly sit back when the result comes in.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:06 AM

    Then have a referendum to 1. Leave the 8h. 2. Amend it to allow FFA etc or 3. Repeal it. Aldo indicate what the post referendum world woulf look like. That’s the common sense approach imho. People will understand what they are voting for.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:24 AM

    Any time I’ve brought the issue up with my local politicians they’ve looked at me and remarked:
    ‘Jesus give it a rest will ya. We have more important issues to be worrying about, the economy, the environment, strikes, public transport, the health service, schools, Apple, etc etc than the 8th amendment.’
    Abortion doesn’t win votes in a Catholic country.
    End of.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 6:19 PM

    @Sam Palmer: Which of your personas was called on though?

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:01 PM

    @Daisy Chainsaw: They know that “Sam” keeps his “gun” under his pillow..

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:34 AM

    I think the Repealers must stay in bed longer than the Pro-lifers based on all the red thumbs on the comments. The change is coming. Let’s put it to a referendum and then it’s down to numbers.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 9:57 AM

    Americans have been up longer.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:18 AM

    @Deborah Behan:
    George Soros always starts the day early.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 11:23 AM

    I canvassed for a local politician in Dublin 3, 5 & 9 in the last GE and the major issues were car insurance, graduate employment, the sea wall at Clontarf and water. I was asked once about repeal.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:05 PM

    It’s not something that would be brought up in public. FF are worried hare coursing hunting and other nonsense issues. I would put abortion above all of them.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:23 PM

    “Any politician who says repealing the 8th doesn’t come up on doorsteps is living in loud cookoo land” The clue is in the title of the article…

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:42 AM

    It’s possible that people have more pressing concerns about their day to day lives AND have an opinion on the 8th ammendment.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 6:22 PM

    @Cian Nolan: I know! Multitasking is great!

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    Oct 1st 2016, 12:02 PM

    It’s murder….dress it up anyway you want, call it any name you want, its murder.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:14 AM

    It’s sad that people are trying to block a referendum. If you really think most people don’t want to repeal the 8th you have nothing to fear. Let the public vote and make the decision. The truth is anti-abortion activists are quaking in their boots because they know a repeal vote will definitely pass.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:39 AM

    Antis don’t like democracy. Any vote to loosen the choke hold the 8th amendment has passed easily, like travel and information. If the substantive issue was put to the people, the 8th amendment would be gone.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 12:30 PM

    Seth who is trying to block a referendum?

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:43 PM

    @Seth Cheffetz: We know a referendum to Repeal the right to life is not even on the Cards. Because it will fail.

    What may key be on the cards is an amendment referendum. That all you can hope for.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:15 AM

    Citizens Assembly? Why? We have a parliament to make decisions! How are the members bring picked? Expenses the same as TDs? Get to have a drink in the Dail bar ? Typical spinless Kenny’s solution to his having to make an actual decision..

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    Oct 1st 2016, 9:04 AM

    Because we have a constitution thay they must be govern within. But of course you know that. 3 way referendum. Time locked for 25 years.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 2:31 PM

    I actually couldn’t disagree with the headline more.
    The truth is people are concerned about tax, unemployment, health service, schools etc.

    The 8th amendment is way down the list for most people.
    What a march by 20,000 people tells us is that 4,480,000 people didn’t march.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:23 PM

    @Tom Burke: You’ve posted some awful tripe on here throughout the years on the topic of abortion. Congratulations on doing so again…Do you get newborn babies usually marching ? People sick in hospitals/home ? People working that day ? The stupidity is strong with you..

    Waa waa waa is all that we ever get from you!

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 1:02 AM

    Cork Lad
    Can’t make any sense of that.
    Please post something sensible and I’ll respond accordingly.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 7:29 AM

    @Tom Burke:

    “What a march by 20,000 people tells us is that 4,480,000 people didn’t march.”

    West Cork Lad,you are spot on!

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 8:48 AM

    Tom – how did you get on with the Met Police? Did they tell you to get help with your kink?

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    Oct 1st 2016, 11:02 AM

    Homelessness doesn’t effect me … Unemployment doesn’t effect me … Poverty doesn’t effect me … So on that basis I should dismiss any discussion or solution ??? I am as concerned with those as I am with the 8th and other freedoms and rights in this country … They need all to be discussed in rational level headed ways by our government … Sod the political optics and govern in all areas .. Citizens assembly my hoop .. Such a disrespect for 1 citizen 1 vote .. Enda is afraid to manage or to make a decision .. As are they all in truth … And all discussions are difficult and only made even more with people shouting and not listening … 2 ears 1 mouth .. Use them wisely

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    Oct 1st 2016, 2:33 PM

    Mike
    Having your life cut short in the womb doesn’t affect you either.
    Your point is??

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    Oct 1st 2016, 6:21 PM

    @Tom Burke: The zygote has no awareness to affect.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 9:49 AM

    Everyone here is talking about “Repeal the eight” but then what?

    A solution to the FFA issue is badly needed and there is massive support for a referendum on that but I don’t believe there is enough support for a wider pro choice law here. Yet

    I would be pro choice myself

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    Oct 1st 2016, 10:00 AM

    I don’t really have a strong view on this subject but separation of FFA etc and in demand needs to be specifically included in any referendum . That won’t suit the vested interests on either side if course

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    Oct 1st 2016, 1:41 PM

    Support for Repealing the 8th does not mean support for abortion, too many are trying to confuse the two of them, the vast majority would not want abortion on tap here.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 2:39 PM

    Doesn’t matter what it supposed to mean or your view. Repeal the 8th and we are at the behest of politicians. Amend the 8th to remove unintended consequences so. Is that logical?

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    Oct 1st 2016, 3:58 PM

    @Alois Irlmaier:
    Sorry Alois you are wrong! Over the last few days I have heard high profile members of the Repeal The 8th movement say straight out that they want abortion for any reason and without any limitations of when that abortion can be carried out. They were not even happy with the Abortion regime in the UK ffs! Once I heard that I changed my mind, as i had been reluctantly swayed by the “hard case” arguments towards repealing the 8th! Now I see the Repeal The 8th movement as a Trojan Horse to opening the gates to wholesale abortion on demand, with no limitations and for non-medical reasons and of course all to be paid for by the citizens of this state!

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    Oct 1st 2016, 4:45 PM

    Warthog
    Nail on head.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:29 PM

    @Warthog: You were on the other day caught spoofing !

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:30 PM

    * You were on the other day and were caught spoofing ! *

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    Oct 1st 2016, 11:45 PM

    @Warthog: That is how it started in the US, now 2 babies aborted each second in the Western world and an average of 1 out of 3 women in the UK goes for an abortion in their life time, I did put up links at the last time this was talked about on here to these numbers… Too lazy to look for them all over again.
    I have come up with the view that many people like being evil and nasty as how could any mother abort her baby at or near the time of labour as was very common. Too many people act concerned and act caring in order to excuse evil, being evil gives them a power trip and the world is full of these people. There are some who see abortion like removing a tumour, that a womans body is her own without caring or thinking that it is a human child growing in her womb or that this life is not totally hers but belongs to the baby and to the father as well. If people do not want to be pregnant use protection, I am not saying no to abortion as it can be used as a medical procedure but It should not be used for cosmetic reasons or a cure for being drunk or stupid?
    There are evil people out there who uses other peoples tragedies in order to promote what they believe to others, they have no right to do that and these sods use an image of how caring they are to promote issues that they have rather than the issues being debated?

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 8:19 AM

    @Alois Irlmaier: Anti’s like you don’t live in the real world,or deal in facts.

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 8:22 AM

    @Warthog: I wasn’t the only person that caught you out ‘spoofing’ the other night,it looks like West Cork Lad did,too. Hahaha!

    Have you that credible source for the claim that you made just the other day ? No?Thought as much!

    You spoofer!

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    Oct 1st 2016, 8:17 AM

    Ravindra….fcuk off…

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    Oct 2nd 2016, 9:50 AM

    I remember attending the hospital when my wife was having her ultrasounds.
    The nurse was pointing out the baby’s hand, foot, head etc. which were all very clearly recognisable.
    This is of course at a stage in the pregnancy where, in the UK, abortion would be permissible.

    At no stage was the baby described as a zygote or a ‘cluster of cells’.

    I guess these words are interchangeable by some people in order to present a certain argument or mask a particular wrong doing.

    Just sayin’.

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    Oct 3rd 2016, 7:29 AM

    @Tom Burke: Thanks for sharing your beautiful story about your wife’s ultrasound.So moving.
    My oldest zygote is doing their Junior Cert this tear.Just sayin’.

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    Oct 1st 2016, 9:16 AM

    What a crowd of wasters these TDs are.

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