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Newspaper headlines on the day of the guarantee. Mark Stedman/Photocall Ireland

Everything you need to know about the bank guarantee, but were afraid to ask

It’s been five years…here’s a recap of what went down on 30 September 2008.

WHEN NEWS CAME through on the morning of 30 September 2008 that the Irish government had guaranteed the country’s banks, many did not know what to make of it.

Why was it needed? Was it a good thing? Would it cost the taxpayer?

Many of the questions could not be answered immediately but five years and €64.1 billion later, the Irish public are much more knowledgeable about the now infamous move.

The two words are bandied about now to explain away our current economic quagmire but what did it do and what does it mean for us now?

TheJournal.ie explains…

What banks were covered by the bank guarantee?

Six Irish institutions were covered by the guarantee – AIB, Bank of Ireland, EBS Building Society, Irish Life & Permanent, Anglo Irish Bank and Irish Nationwide.

What money and investments were included?

When commentators call it a ‘blanket guarantee’, they are not exaggerating. The government guaranteed pretty much everything.

On top of all customer deposits, any money that was loaned to an Irish bank was included in the guarantee. That meant the government was effectively saying to each creditor and bondholder (person/company/fund/country that is owed money) that they would be paid back, in full, regardless of what happened to their original investment.

The guarantee included all types of bonds, regardless of how ‘risky’ they were deemed by the borrower at the time. (Imagine somebody guaranteeing Paddy Power’s bets on Crystal Palace winning the English Premier League next year).

Subordinated bondholders were covered, as well as senior and secured bondholders. The only exception was about €8.2 billion of undated junior debt.

So, how much was all that?

The estimated total of guaranteed liabilities was about €440 billion. To put some context on that number, it was about 10 times the national debt.

Did it include ordinary people’s deposits?

Yes.

The Deposit Guarantee Scheme (DGS)had been increased from €20,000 to €100,000 earlier in September 2008. It was also expanded to include credit unions for the first time.

But as part of the 30 September 2008 guarantee, 100 per cent of ALL deposits (regardless of the amount) was guaranteed in the six institutions.

That guarantee expired on 29 September 2010. The initial DGS then came back into play, is still in place and does not have an end date.

Why was it needed at that time?

The financial sector was in turmoil across the world and Irish banks were being hit hard.

They were losing deposits, share prices had plummeted and confidence – which is a always a vital cog in banking sectors – was at an all-time low.

Although the issue of solvency would eventually emerge as the main problem, the focus in September was about liquidity. The banks – and, in turn, the government – believed the issues could be solved with injections of cash.

The guarantee aimed to increase confidence, encouraging the international markets to begin lending to the Irish institutions again – at a reasonable cost of borrowing.

How did other countries react?

The initial reaction was bad. Europe was not happy that Ireland acted unilaterally, while the UK was worried that the government had undercut British banks. They expected savers to send a tsunami of money to Irish institutions as they were now, actually, the safest places in the world in which to place money. Why? Well, investors could not lose. The government had essentially told people that they were so confident that people would not lose money on their investments, that they would back them.

Brian Lenihan’s counterpart in Britain, Alistair Darling, said it put UK banks in an impossible situation.

Angela Merkel described the development as “unacceptable”, adding that the “Irish way is not the right way”.

How did the banks react to it?

The government’s decision gave the banks some breathing space. Take Anglo as an example. Seánie Fitz’s baby was on a cliff. It was about to go under and knew it could not last another day’s trading.

The world had already seen Lehman Brothers go bust just a couple of weeks earlier so a similar fate for the Irish lender wasn’t outside the realm of reality.

The recently published Anglo tapes revealed boss David Drumm talking about ‘getting the money’ in during the days following the government’s announcement.

In public at the time, they were more demure putting out a message of ‘business as usual’ within the sector.

Did the banks try to benefit from it?

After the criticism from Europe, the government had to be careful to ensure that banks were not seen to be using the guarantee as a selling mechanism.

However, it was somewhat inevitable.

Irish Nationwide Building Society were given a slap on the wrist and a €50,000 fine when it emerged that Michael Fingleton Junior had sent emails to bankers in London trying to convince them to move deposits his way on the back of the guarantee.

Did the guarantee work?

Well, quite obviously, no.

In a way, the financial system called the government’s bluff. Brian Cowen, Brian Lenihan et al. tried to fix the situation by standing firm behind the Irish banks, granting them the kind of confidence boost they craved.

But it didn’t last long.

It wasn’t long before the cash injections required by the banks were costing big time. Lenders then began charging penal interest rates in order to lend to the Irish government, knowing that it had to back the constantly-growing banking losses.

It eventually led to the Fianna Fáil/Green Party coalition calling on the international powers – soon to be well-known, but not fondly, as the Troika – for help. €64.1 billion worth of help.

When did the guarantee come to an end?

Some form of bank guarantee remained in place until midnight, 28 March 2013.

However, that doesn’t mean the government isn’t responsible for bonds issued while the guarantee was in place. All bonds issued between 30 September 2008 and 28 March 2013 are covered and are worth tens of billions of euro.

Two of the covered banks, Bank of Ireland and Permanent TSB, issued new bonds on the last week of the guarantee. Bank of Ireland borrowed €5 billion, while Permanent TSB raised €3.065 billion, with both bonds due for repayment in March 2015.

How much did it end up costing the State?

€64.1 billion.

In return, the State now holds a 15 per cent stake in Bank of Ireland and owns 99.8 per cent of AIB, as well as EBS (as a subsidiary of AIB), Permanent TSB* and what remains of Anglo Irish Bank and Irish Nationwide**.

*The Irish Life arm of Irish Life & Permanent was sold to Canada Life

**The failed institutions became the IBRC which was put into liquidation earlier this year.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:25 PM

    how many more met eirenn complaint stories are ye gonna do?!

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:31 PM

    “Commenter rumbles weather conspiracy!”

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    Sep 20th 2015, 9:25 PM

    met eireann must not be voting fg in next election

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    Sep 21st 2015, 9:53 AM

    Any possibility that you might do a story on how often RTE , either don’t Report The News at all , or Report it inaccurately – so as to suit it’s Editors Political Agenda – which is clearly controlled by Lab. / FG Acolytes ???

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:27 PM

    what possessed the journal to conduct an investigation into complaints against met eireann? Bizarre.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:58 PM

    Steal our jobs? Wait, I thought they were tryin to steal our benefits?

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    Sep 20th 2015, 9:13 PM

    Here we go… The bould diarmuid couldn’t even let an article about the weather go without his/her/it’s usual bile. Do yourself a favour and get out and meet some real people.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 9:23 PM

    Jees Mikey, whatever I did to you in a past life, I am truly sorry

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    Sep 20th 2015, 9:26 PM

    dey tuk err jeobs

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    Sep 20th 2015, 9:27 PM

    Jeez man,just lighten up a bit. you are really a great poster and you make a great point but you loose it with your shinner this and shinner that and your swipes. Chill out man and allow us to actually enjoy your posts. We might not agree politically but in fairness you are a great poster.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 10:47 PM

    Deeeeeer tuk rrrrrrrrrr jooooorbs!!

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    Sep 20th 2015, 10:51 PM
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    Sep 20th 2015, 11:12 PM

    shut thr f $#k up

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    Sep 21st 2015, 8:31 AM

    Cue the hilariously funny lines we have never heard before (!) and then the Father Ted references and youtube links ……
    Wearisome.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:18 PM

    “I am disgusted with the way old people are depicted on television. We’re not all vibrant, fun-loving sex maniacs. Many of us are bitter, resentful individuals, who remember the good old days when entertainment was bland and inoffensive.”

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:06 PM

    She’s pointing it out to the endless amounts of Non Nationals who dont have a clue

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:15 PM

    Non nationals…..that have had to find Ireland to get here. So they probably already know where it is.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:20 PM

    Yeah, if they were navigating by map and an astrolabe.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:24 PM

    RTE preparing for the invasion?

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    Sep 20th 2015, 9:11 PM

    To be fair, I think the arrow is there to indicate where Ireland is when the satellite pics show cloud cover that obscures the green bit underneath. I’m guessing that they were taken by surprise by a cloud free day and forgot to take off the arrow.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 9:15 PM

    At last, a logical comment.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 10:44 PM

    I’m not sure, you’d think that the lads in the satellite would already know where Ireland is.

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    Sep 21st 2015, 6:23 AM

    Also, people with poor geography knowledge pay the same TV license fee as everybody else.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:13 PM

    If this all some people have to complain about they not only have too much time on their hand but also must have a stress free life

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:22 PM

    Stress ours one of those things everyone has a certain capacity for. If someone doesn’t have much to occupy them then trivial sh!te will expand to fill that capacity.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:31 PM

    Talk to Joe 1850 715 815 the liveline is open

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:59 PM

    The complaints probably came from thejournal staff. Anything to squeeze another article out this story :-)

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:13 PM

    Average age of complainant- 97 years old.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:40 PM

    Its for all the Unionists partitionists here who think Ireland is still part of UK or wish it were.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:09 PM

    The country going down.lol

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:04 PM

    Some people are always whinging and will never be satisfied, it’s plainly obvious that the arrow is indicating the direction of the wind

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    Mute Michael Burke
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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:13 PM

    Look at it again – the big blue arrows are showing the wind direction. Maybe we are a nation of morons after all

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:35 PM

    Good man Charles :)

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    Sep 20th 2015, 10:27 PM

    In fairness we don’t need the weather forecast it rains 360 days a year.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 10:37 PM

    Only in Shitty Donegal!!!

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:27 PM

    Get a life seriously

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:59 PM

    What I want to know is WHY they choose to point out Ireland?

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:58 PM

    the weather report on rte is usually wrong anyway, but its true that they have an annoying habit of talking down to people, treating them like their idiots.

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    Mute Peter R
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    Sep 20th 2015, 10:36 PM

    Its Joan Blackburn herself. I can’t bear her
    She talks to us
    I’ve we just came out of a cave for the first time

    Me father loves her so I rile him up every time she’s on.
    He got Sky plus cos I always interrupted her !!

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:50 PM

    Love the Simpson reference

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    Sep 20th 2015, 10:39 PM

    It says Ireland when pointing to Derry, lol.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 11:19 PM

    Most RTE staff are West Brits.
    They know exactly where Prince Harry or Prince Charles are at any one time but they cannot place where Ireland is on a map of the world.

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    Mute Mick Kelly
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    Sep 21st 2015, 1:09 PM

    If the moron who made that complaint had enough brain cells to figure out the context of the “Ireland Arrow”, they might have noticed that a few seconds earlier, the entire country and much of the UK was covered in rainfall, and was thus hidden.

    If anyone from Met Éireann happens to see this, please give me a job as a complaints responder. I will soon shut these muppets up, I’ll even do it for free!

    Also, perhaps the journal could bang in a FOI request to see how much they spend on bogroll in the last year, we are dying to know. You could milk the bejaysus out of that for a week too!

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    Sep 20th 2015, 9:57 PM

    Time for fresh new faces,,….Helen.

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    Sep 21st 2015, 7:15 AM

    where do people get the time to be offended

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    Sep 21st 2015, 3:18 PM

    For me I love the word choices by the presenters:
    - “risk of thunder” — exactly what is the risk? “chance of thunder”?
    - “warning in operation” — how do you operate a warning?
    - “maxima” or “minima” — what’s wrong with plain English – high and low?
    - “values” — temperatures?

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    Sep 20th 2015, 11:53 PM

    Great rant

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    Sep 21st 2015, 1:37 PM

    Not this again !!

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    Mute James Comiskey
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    Sep 20th 2015, 11:54 PM

    aa

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    Sep 21st 2015, 8:20 AM

    Some people obviously have way too much time on their hands.

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    Sep 20th 2015, 8:38 PM

    It may look silly you be surprise how many people in digital world now that people can rte almost anywhere that don’t know we are not part of uk and we are island of our own how many times have been abroad because you speak the English language (no disrespect to uk)they think your from uk how often in Spain do you see Irish flag on menus never

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