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They are not being evicted their leases are not being renewed. If you don’t own your property you are at the mercy of the owners who have not broken any law unlike the moron politicians advocating people to break the law and risk prison
Of course the landlords don’t have to break the law as the law is written with the interests of capital in mind. So Goldman Sachs profiteering takes priority over the rights of families to have a roof over their heads.
P.S. Can you point to any cases where a failure to abide by a notice to quit has resulted in imprisonment for a tenant?
The law is suppose to be there to protect the people especially family’s who are the backbone of our society, tell me how the law is protecting these people before corporate greed and profit. The law is now being wrote by mostly people who only have one thing in mind “money” , if you value these laws more than your own people, you have become part of the problem, your morals have been standardised to value their greed before peoples well being. Reality check, start giving a fu*k about people instead of pieces of paper that help destroy peoples lives. BTW mass evictions like will start being the norm in estates all across the country this year as the vultures have been set loose on our little isle.
What about people that are not renting but have a mortgage… Are they safe. No. Who knows whose mortgage has IR will be sold to a vulture fund .
This week a farmer in nenagh sadly took his life after a mortgage company destroyed him with 25% interest rate … 25% .. No protection …
Grangegorman case springs to mind
Were any of the Grangegorman protesters jailed for a failure to abide by a notice to quit?
The AAA will also do everything in our power to mobilize the community in defense of those families to prevent any possible evictions.
In addition, we’ll use our elected TDs to apply massive political pressure to the establishment parties to force them into action on this matter. This has been proven to be an effective strategy in the past where our occupation of a NAMA property and a developer’s show house in Dublin 15 forced the allocation of 44 social houses in Dublin West.
Obedience and compliance is a recipe for exploitation and misery. Solidarity and protest works as we’ve demonstrated conclusively during the water charges boycott.
Brian O’Donnell?
I’m not too sure what the penalty for squatting is. Socialism has caused pain and misery for millions the world over it needs to be rejected. Drive, ambition, initiative and entrepeneurship are things we need to encourage and promote
No
Really Tim?
Socialism is working all around you in every developed nation in the world. It’s manifested in universal health and education, public housing, social welfare system, 40 hour working week, public pensions, minimum wage etc etc. All the most civilized aspects of modern society are socialist in nature. None of these concessions were gifted by the capitalist class. They were fought for and won over centuries of struggle by the working class.
And indeed if capitalism is the panacea you believe it to be then why is capitalism the economic ideology pursued in most of the world’s poorest countries? These include DRC, Liberia, Eritrea, Zimbabwe, Burundi CAR, Uganda and Bangladesh etc.etc etc
Again not eviction! So your solution is if you don’t like something that’s happening legally is just go ahead and break the law,real responsible and fantastic example to set
Well said Patrick. However the spa’s on here don’t understand facts. Much better to be populist and angry.
Capitalism has led us to a situation where Speculators gamble on a mortgage bond performing or not. It’s has led us to a situation where these capitalist Speculators invest in financial instruments and when it goes wrong and these speculators have been bailed out by society. That isn’t capitalism Tim. When you gamble on the stock market or put money into financial instruments and it does not work out you loose your money etc. Also we have all heard of low risk, medium risk and high risk investments. If I invest in an instrument and it fails I may loose my money. The bank bailouts are one of the biggest cons in human history. I mean the socialisation of private debt. That is socialism practiced by failed capitalists
Tim, my GF lived under communist rule into her early teenage years. She never suffered pain nor misery. Me, being very curious about socialism, and herself have had many discussions of what life was actually like under such a regime. People had jobs, a roof over their heads, food on the table, heat in the homes, good free education to the highest level, all their medical need well taken care of. A sense of community and looking after people that still lives on to a great extent. There were some shortages in shops, and queuing became a sport. Personal freedom was the biggest problem. The freedom to travel, to have an opinion and the right to express it, you could never criticise the party. As kids in school, you learned never to speak of what was said behind closed doors at home. Kids were encouraged to do so. But in general life was ok. Many people still hanker back to those days. The main difference between then and today is that under socialism people mattered, as they have found, under capitalism the only thing that matters is profit. People dont. What’s happening in Tyrrelstown is a prime example of where profit comes before people. The lives of the people dont matter, how they are effected doesn’t matter. Naked capitalism is tyranny. It doesn’t matter if its the tyranny of communism or capitalism. Tyranny is tyranny.
“Personal freedom was the biggest problem. The freedom to travel, to have an opinion and the right to express it, you could never criticise the party”
“But in general life was ok”
Interesting post – but clearly the loss of personal freedom, freedom to travel and having an opinion is a high price to pay for an “ok life”?
Pantylyndo, there is a lot more detail i could go into, but i’d be writing all night. I was trying to give a flavour, to counter Tim’s assertion that socialism is all “pain and misery”. My GF hates communism, and never wishes to see it again.
“My GF hates communism, and never wishes to see it again.”
But isn’t this the point? I mean there may have been aspects that may have (appeared to have) worked and of course some could be adapted – but clearly for all the positives – your GF and many others hated it.
I think the point here for the brain dead muppets lauding Capitalism and trashing Socialism is that it is NOT a simple binary choice – one or the other. In reality, the extremes of both will fail, but for different reasons.
A more pragmatic approach is called for imo.
In this matter the issue is housing – homes for people. These are essential for all of us for a life of basic dignity and should not be the exclusive domain of a ruthless Capitalist (rigged) market.
Tyrrelstown is a perfect example of unacceptable Capitalist behaviour in a market with captive demand for an essential good.
Poor or no housing destroys lives, social mobility and the equality of opportunity for the next generation. We KNOW all this as FACT, from any number of studies. Social deprivation COSTS us a great deal, but the wealthy don’t pay, only ordinary citizens, disproportionately.
It is immoral and unacceptable for people, usually the already wealthy, to make obscene levels of unearned income off a rigged property market.
If that wasn’t bad enough, the greed of the rigged property market was primary cause of the Financial pyramid scam crash in 2008.
We don’t ever need to ‘nationalise’ some manufacturer of consumer goods if the go bust, but we should absolutely be ensuring collective provision of somewhere to live. Both as a human right, AND as a more optimal strategy for society as a whole, and in the long term.
But such is the mass propaganda by vested interests, and appeal to unallayed selfishness and myopia, at least half of the citizens vote against their own long term interests. Wake up, idiots.
Mike Hall, the same arguments as are now being deployed against protection of fixity of tenure and fair rent fir rural tenants from 1878 onwards, including arguments made on behalf of large landlords to the Bessborough Commission are being repeated today.
There will always be those with a vested interested in assisting and promoting the interests of the super wealthy at the expense of lower income households, without regard for the social and family consequences. For some, extreme cupidity is perceived as some sort of moral good.
People such as you who provide reasoned, reasonable and humane suggestions are disliked by the opportunists and speculators because they cannot bear to reminded of the fact that there is a greater interest than individual self interest at the expense of others.
The problem for those who oppose reform is that the housing crisis, if not addressed, will cause massive political conflict and social upheaval. Large sections of the population can become radicalised when the basics of a secure home and the opportunity of a working life with dignity are removed.
“I think the point here for the brain dead muppets lauding Capitalism and trashing Socialism is that it is NOT a simple binary choice – one or the other. In reality, the extremes of both will fail, but for different reasons.”
Are you responding to my post? Well let me remind you what I said:
“I mean there may have been aspects that may have (appeared to have) worked and of course some could be adapted”.
Was I advocating a “binary choice” – no, I was clearly saying that some aspects could be adapted.
Clearly having an opinion is against what you stand for Mike – which is what the poster referred to.
We know what happened in the crash.
But I can tell you people would love to be back there, this is what you don’t account for, they want their homes to be assets, they want to make money on property – human nature.
Pantylyndo, The Party system was what was wrong. If you had no reason to rock the boat, and accepted you lot, life was good. If you were ambitious, you joined the Party, if you were allowed, not everyone could. The higher you went up in the party, the more the privileges , the better the food, no shortages. My GF’s mother was the grand daughter of a mill owner. When communism came in 1945 he lost everything, was considered an enemy of the people. That stigma effect my GF’s mother all through her life under communism. She was a Republican rowing champion, competed internationally, but was never chosen for any Olympics, all because of her grandfather. She could never go to university, and there was always a very low glass ceiling she could never rise above. That was the Communist Party.
The vulture fund people aren’t the ones people need protection from. It’s the fat cats in NAMA who sold them these properties for a nice bit of commission and with the promise that there will be no problems after buying the lots. Who created NAMA? The government. I don’t think they will be sending the cavalry anytime soon.
Wow Dave, hard to comprehend really, I can see why your GF feels the way she does, thanks for the info.
Welcome, Pantylyndo :-) By the way, in school, Lenin was always referred to as “Uncle Lenin” !
Why the Government have dithered at Credit Union proposals to offer 5 billion loan to get the building of homes started, is evident when you look at what’s happening out in Tyrrelstown in North County Dublin; Goldman Sachs buying up two hundred rented homes, and evicting the occupants; who’ve been living in and rearing children for ten years and more.
It beggars belief, but the truth is that the FG FF cabals represented by Denis the Philistine O’ Brien from Blackrock, and Peter the ”Jew” Sutherland, who is CEO of Goldman Sachs and, a Fine Gael man from Dublin 4 are behind what is going on here. These two people are numbered among the first named as Americas and Germany’s Irish representatives of secret vulture fund enterprise holders, these people secure the possession of these very valuable Irish properties for wealthy American and European Hedge funds. Threatening the very existence of our Independent Irish Nation.
This enterprise and illegal ownership of vast tracts of Irish building land and other extremely valuable property, has been going on apace since the early decades of the last century. Copper fashioned by the FG FF Shonnens since 1926. It is a little bit like the Royal Family believing they have a devine right to rule. FF and FG believe they are politically invincible. The legitimate owners of Ireland, as it were. These two along with others have had their greasy hands deep in the stash of Irish cash and property belonging to the people of Ireland since the establishment of the Irish State..
18 months is a very fair amount of time to look for somewhere and it prehaps gives time for new construction in the area.
Can we take it you’re not one of the people facing eviction ‘paul’?
Agreed Paul . 18 months seems fair .
If not 18 months, what would be a fair amount of time to move out of a home that you don’t own? Five years? A decade? Until the lowest poimt of the next recession?
200 families looking for accommodation in the same area is going to push up rents and I doubt there is going to be 200 properties in the market anyway. Scary situation.
I’ve been “evicted” twice and each time all I got was 28 days notice. It’s stressful but a fact of life if you rent. I honestly don’t understand the hysteria around this.
Lisa, it depends on whether you have children in local schools and whether you have the financial capacity to pay much increased rents for alternative rented accommodation.
People put down roots, become members of community, children have friends, they are familiar with teachers, child minding arrangements are in place. The adverse impact of familes moving goes far beyond mild disruption and is more severe, the lower the household income is.
Paul, new housing cannot and will not come on stream within 18 months unless the projects are already financed. Please identify these financed projects, where are they located, what number of units will be provided and what will the rent of these new units be?
The problem with this Lisa is that the vulture fund bought these houses in the cheap at the taxpayers expense and now that very same taxpayer is getting shafted. Whether it’s the taxpayer living in the houses or the taxpayer that owns the local business that now has 200 fewer people in the catchment area
The other problem is that commenters here would like to see this vulture fund get away with it and throw the gates open for this to happen again and again, and again!
No, 18mths is not enough time where so many families in a mass eviction case will all be looking for new tenancies in the same area.
One could reasonably argue that one or two families could find alternative accomodation, but not dozens in one go. Not at all.
Further, the reasons for these evictions are purely for gouging excess profits solely because of an artificially created shortage of housing supply.
I cannot understand the fools that voted for FG, FF or Labour, as ALL these parties seek to ensure ever increasing housing costs by squeezing supply, so that their Golden Circle friends can get even richer.
Lisa Saputo
Did you have a family? Children with local schools and friends? Were you competing with 100 other families to relocate in the same area, at the same time? In a situation of severe housing crisis, such as now?
Put yourself in these peoples’ position and perhaps for once your life try a little empathy. Houses are homes and vital stability for most people past a certain age of youth.
So screw Lisa and anyone else who has found themselves in this situation Mike eh?
You have to fit a certain type that get your sympathy I see.
I have to laugh when people who have been through the very same thing – are spoken down to here – their situation is never as bad, their family situation never as important, their roots irrelevant.
But if if can make headlines then you lot are on it like a hot snot.
Why was Lisa Saputo “evicted” twice? What caused this to happen? Was it a default on a buy to let mortgage or an unacceptably high rent increase? If personal experience is to be generalised from, we need much more detailed information about when, why and in what circumstances of the “evictions”.
I have never found logic in the argument that because one person has suffered from miserablle or unfortunate experiences, other and even more persons should suffer even more.
“Why was Lisa Saputo “evicted” twice? What caused this to happen? Was it a default on a buy to let mortgage or an unacceptably high rent increase? If personal experience is to be generalised from, we need much more detailed information about when, why and in what circumstances of the “evictions”.
So in Lisa’s situation all of this matters?
“I have never found logic in the argument that because one person has suffered from miserablle or unfortunate experiences, other and even more persons should suffer even more.”
But yet your logic ignores that lisa was left in the same situation:
“Eviction or lease expiry, the practical consequence is the same, tenants seeking alternative accommodation in a scarce supply market with inflating rents. This is very bad news for the tenants involved. Some may end up homeless.”
I rest my case.
No Patlyndo, you totally miss the point again and throw up another straw man argument.
The point is that Lisa doesn’t seem concerned (by her own comment) at being evicted twice with only 28 days notice. A young single person may not be concerned about that but she ignores (or diesn’t care) that it would be a different matter for a whole family to be forced to move house. And a different and far worse situation for a mass of eviction of families from the same location.
But I think your approach is obvious Pat. You are ok, and care nothing for the housing situation of others. A selfish s cum bag in other words. Likely invested in property yourself, but too ashamed to either admit it or post here under your real name.
Partlyndo, thank you for quoting me but why are your counter arguments so feeble? Resting your case may sound well in court but it does not constitute an argument of any kind.
The surprising feature of Lisa Saputo is her invocation of her own “eviction” twice as a validation fir evicting others. It really makes no sense.
Mike Hall has properly identified that there is a difference between one induvidual with no dependants being evicted and a family with children at school, with local friends, belonging to local sports clubs, members of community groups being dislocated. Mike raises fair points. Why do you evade dealing with his reasoned arguments?
“The point is that Lisa doesn’t seem concerned (by her own comment) at being evicted twice with only 28 days notice. A young single person may not be concerned about that but she ignores (or diesn’t care) that it would be a different matter for a whole family to be forced to move house. And a different and far worse situation for a mass of eviction of families from the same location.”
No Mike, the point is that nobody was concerned when Lisa was evicted twice with 28 days notice, so Lisa just had to do what she had to do.
“A young single person may not be concerned about that but she ignores (or diesn’t care) that it would be a different matter for a whole family to be forced to move house. ”
Like you don’t care about Lisa – irrespective if she’s single or not – you speak down to her as if her situation didn’t matter. It’s all relative really,
“And a different and far worse situation for a mass of eviction of families from the same location.”
But that’s not what is happening is it? Leases as they fall due will not be renewed, that means for some it’s 6 weeks, for others longer, many have time now to make other plans – like everyone else in the same situation on a weekly/daily basis for the last few years sadly.
@Fiona:
“Partlyndo, thank you for quoting me but why are your counter arguments so feeble? Resting your case may sound well in court but it does not constitute an argument of any kind.”
I’m quoting you to show you your own hypocrisy because clearly you don’t see it.
“The surprising feature of Lisa Saputo is her invocation of her own “eviction” twice as a validation fir evicting others. It really makes no sense.”
No, that’s your interpretation of her post, Lisa, like many others found themselves in that situation, not once but twice and she had to simply deal with it – no AAA, no protests, no media – she had to dealn with it.
“Mike Hall has properly identified that there is a difference between one induvidual with no dependants being evicted and a family with children at school, with local friends, belonging to local sports clubs, members of community groups being dislocated. Mike raises fair points. Why do you evade dealing with his reasoned arguments?”
No, Mike Hall did not deal with it – Mike Hall presumed that Lisa didn’t have any of the above issues and Mike Hall wrote her off without a thought or concern.
And both Mike Hall and you have no idea of the personal circumstances of all the residents, you don’t know if they all have kids – you and Mike Hall need to stop with the hysterics and behaving as if these people would shoved out on the road overnight – this has not happened and it will not happen.
I saw the interviews with the residents on television. The vast majority of those who received notices to quit have young familes of children attending local schools. This was confirmed by a local estate agent living in the area.
The facts remains that these families will not be able to secure alternative housing in the area and will have to relocate elsewhere.
As for Lisa Saputo, I have considerable doubts as to the accuracy of her personal statements and do not believe that her individual experience, dubious as it s. Is s sensible foundation for policy making.
Patlyndo…. what on earth are yoy rambling on about you utter clown?
“… Mike Hall wrote her off without a thought or concern…. ”
Huh?
In her own words, above -
“..I’ve been “evicted” twice… ”
Note the use of ‘I’, not ‘we’ or ‘my family’, or any other collective noun. ie seems to be saying to me that she is single and no other family to be concerned with.
She seems very casual about having to move home twice with 28 days notice… so why SHOULD I have ‘concern’ – according to you – for Lisa’s situation when she herself doesn’t? Please explain how your clown brain managed to arrive at your idiotic conclusion?
“… It’s stressful but a fact of life if you rent. I honestly don’t understand the hysteria around this…. ” – Lisa
Her eviction experience doesn’t seem to merit mentioning anyone else’s ‘stress’, does it Patlyndo? Did you notice that?
And that changes the situation enormously. Which is what I posited and Lisa has not deemed fit to correct or expand on her particular circumstances.
This is just basic English language comprehension Patlyndo…. talikng to you is like arguing with a monkey
The claimed 28 days notice period for Lisa Saputo makes me highly suspicious.
Asking the government to intervene is like asking a fox to protect the chickens from a wolf.
Chickens would not be high on the list of a wolf’s diet. The last wolf in Ireland was said to have been killed in Tipperary in 1786. This would tend to suggest that Irish chickens face very little threat from wolves.
if you can conjure up a better analogy for 2 predators and a defenceless victim, – be my guest…
Interesting article on the front page of today’s Examiner. Even business leaders are calling for the government to intervene in the housing crisis. There are talks of jobs being diverted away from Ireland as there is simply no accommodation for workers
True, I work in a Dublin based multinational company that is very dependent on skilled labour from countries like
Spain / Italy / France, even China / India to survive. Lately these people are leaving the company at an alarming rate to return home or move to other parts of Europe where rent isn’t consuming 60% of their salary. This housing crisis has the potential to devastate the economy if the supply issue is not sorted very quickly.
It’;s not only that they are looking at Frederick, they are looking at unrest, strikes, demands for higher wages all across the board.
We have the AAA actively supporting this while ignoring the potential effects.
These people want everyone back to 2006 wages – can they not see that 2006 was the glitch?
Companies won’t want to invest, our own companies will become less competitive if they have to give in to these demands.
Ireland is a basketcase,
Sure Patlyndo, but you missed the point as always.
It is the housing crisis and resulting cost rip off that is driving up wage demands.
“It is the housing crisis and resulting cost rip off that is driving up wage demands.”
But yet the AAA want to revert PS wages (And of course increase SW payments) back to a time where these increases were funded – from income that came from property.
They want house prices and rents to decrease, while simultaneously promoting wage increases across all sectors???
Increased wages and salaries in a “booming economy” are required to meet the escalating rents. Rents went up first. Salaries and wage levels are under pressure to keep pace with the cost of living, one of the major components of which is monthly rent and mortgage repayments.
The average household is facing increased costs of accommodation, heating, commuting, health insurance for the decreasing number who can barely afford it and the hidden costs of education for children. These are the conditions which combine to drive up wage and salary demands in a recovering economy. People have to live and have a foundation for an improving life.
“Increased wages and salaries in a “booming economy” are required to meet the escalating rents. Rents went up first.”
Are we in a booming economy? Really?
So where does it end? I am afraid that you have it backwards Fiona. But sure I’m wasting my time.
The escalation in rents was a function of shortage of supply, which started about 3 years ago and is getting worse and worse because of the continued lack of suitable housing construction. Paying increased rents puts salaries and wages under pressure. The additional burden of new taxes and the water charges are adding to the gpfinancial pressures of households.
It may have eluded you despite the fuss made by FG that GDP increases are almost up to 8% and unemployment is down. Profitability in most sectors, especially, but not only in tourism and hospitality is up.
In the light of increased rents and the high margin on nin tracker mortgage repayments, wages and salaries will have to climb. Increased residential rents have consequences for economies.
Fiona, so where does it end? You haven’t answered that question?
Higher salaries, higher cost of living costs, higher salaries, higher cost of llving costs – have a look back to about 15 years ago, not to the 19th century Fiona.
Have a look back and tell me how that all went.
The legislative land law reforms of the 19th century proved progressive and led to the immense success of a proprietary agricultural class which set the foundation for later Irish economic success.
Clearly, we need to control rents in the public interest whilst supply is limited following the failure of free market and laissez faire economic policies. We know the results of such failed policies. We are living with the consequences.
We can reform, improve and secure that families have stable and reasonable cost renting, contributing to lowering the cost of living. We can have a better and fairer society if we have the will and the courage to embrace it.
“Clearly, we need to control rents in the public interest whilst supply is limited following the failure of free market and laissez faire economic policies. We know the results of such failed policies. We are living with the consequences.”
You know I advocated this not too long ago and as soon as the 2 year thing was announced rents increased, so how to control such a market?
It’s a complete and utter mess at the moment and I think it’s going to get worse, as a matter of fact it is getting worse, supply is shrinking outside Dublin.
We me disagree on issues, but we do agree that this is a crisis.
“We can reform, improve and secure that families have stable and reasonable cost renting, contributing to lowering the cost of living. We can have a better and fairer society if we have the will and the courage to embrace it.”
I agree.
‘Their’ homes? Do they own them? Didn’t think so
18 does seem fair, does it not? What else can they expect?
No point calling on the Government for help. Noonan is good friends with these Vultures.
Absolutely true, but the demand should still be made.
This is wrong, no two ways about it.
What is the vulture fund planning to do with the houses ?
It was a great meeting in Tyrellstown last night and the community is ready to fight this attack on local families to further enrich the bloated parasites of Twinlite/EPF and Goldman Sachs.
Statement from the Anti Austerity Alliance Dublin West
Ruth Coppinger TD and Cllrs Matt Waine, Tania Doyle & Sandra Kavanagh
* Govt must legislate to stop mass evictions by vulture fund
* Residents must take United stand and refuse to leave
* Housing emergency already rages in Dublin West
” It is outrageous that potentially hundreds of tenants in Tyrrelstown, Dublin 15, now face eviction by a vulture fund investment company looking to make a quick buck.
The fact that hundreds of houses were bought in one transaction and that the fate of so many families lies in the hands of one greedy investment fund says it all about how the private market has been allowed dominate housing by successive governments.
The tenants of this European Property Fund have been fleeced with rent increases and many are currently paying €1,500 in rent, way above the justifiable rate for the price of this housing.
A housing emergency rages in Dublin West, as evidenced by a recent report that said 40 percent of all homeless Dublin families hail from this constituency.
It is absolutely untenable that 200 more families would voluntarily vacate their rented homes and swell the ranks of the homeless. Today, only 63 properties are available for rent in Dublin 15 on DAFT.ieand some of these families are on rent allowance and wouldn’t be able to get those scarce properties.
The Anti Austerity Alliance in Dublin 15 therefore calls on effected residents to take a stand together and refuse to leave their homes, many of whom have lived there since they were built eight years ago.
It should be illegal for any family to be put under this horrrendous stress. The caretaker government must immediately introduce legislation to stop evictions on this basis. Having failed to do so for five years, they must act now. A statement from the Dept of the Environment that due notice should be given is absolutely useless.
It should be illegal to evict anyone who doesn’t have alternative accommodation, never mind a vulture fund carrying out mass evictions in the midst of a homeless emergency.
The Anti Austerity Alliance councillors will move an emergency motion on Fingal Council this evening calling on the government to legislate to prevent such evictions and giving support to tenants to remain in their homes.
When the Dail resumes on March 22nd, time should be given on this issue and Ruth Coppinger TD will raise it on the Dail floor.
Tenants should now come together and form their own action group to save their homes, with the full support of political representatives and the wider Dublin community .”
I’m sorry Wally but these families are not being evicted, they’re leases are not being renewed. Speaking as a tenant for the past 11 years, I’m fully aware that although I’m comfortable in the apartment I’m currently in, I could be asked to leave when my next lease is up. It’s something that all tenants are aware of.
I do genuinely feel sorry for theses families, but 18 months is ample time to find somewhere else.
Eviction or lease expiry, the practical consequence is the same, tenants seeking alternative accommodation in a scarce supply market with inflating rents. This is very bad news for the tenants involved. Some may end up homeless.
Just for clarity – the rent on these houses is €1500 and is being covered by *rent allowance*? Did I understand that correctly? Oh and just for ref – 3 bed, 3 bath houses for rent in Navan for 1K per month.
Terri, please send on the details of the properties currently available to rent in Navan for €1,000 per month. 3 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms! Are these the ones with the Carlsberg sign on them?
As a texter on Niall Boylan show said the other day – Ruth Coppinger and crew wont be happy until this country is bankrupt , paying this and that for everyone and the working people breaking their backs for people who do nothing. AAA party is just awful. We dont need all this left wing shite!
Sadly, the country was bankrupted by the failures of right wing economics which facilitated greed and reckless irresponsibility.
Unbelievable! !!! It’s worse this place is getting
“It should be illegal to evict anyone who doesn’t have alternative accommodation” – Wally Mooney So basically it should be illegal to evict anyone ever? Because nobody who doesn’t want to leave will organize alternative accommodation. What a stupid proposal
Sounds more like Irish citizens need protection from vulture Political Parties failing to protect citizens.
Indeed the current government don’t give a fiddlers about these poor unfortunate people, all they care about is getting their arses back on cabinet seats.
Stop kicking people out of their homes in place of profit would be a start.
Well think it’s obvious the government don’t care about the housing crisis. They dont care that it’s these People that actually bailed out these banks.. They are best friends with banks , vulture funds … Google hedgecraic …
It’s not just people renting that this a problem for . it’s also people that have a mortgage ..
A farmer in nenagh sadly took his own life this week after he was destroyed by a mortgage company that was charging him 25% interest… 25% . for all those who think it’s only rentals , its not… Who knows if your mortgage has been sold on to a vulture fund or will be.. Will you be so flippant then on people being made homeless.
Is it possible for some of these people to purchase their homes? Has the price deflated from boom time prices enough that makes that an option?
@SarahK. I would doubt that people who have been paying €1500 – €2000 a month in rent would have had the means to save a further €50000 minimum for a deposit. No new houses are being built, rents are enormous and a 20% deposit is required before you get a mortgage. €1500 a month is €18000 a year taken from post tax income. You would need to be saving another €2000 a month to realistically come up with the deposit before house prices soar again. That’s €42000 a year after tax that needs to be spent on rent and savings if you want to buy a house That would be a salary of about €80000 a year and that is before you spend a penny. So if you live like a monk you need to be earning about €100000 before you can enter the housing market.
Anne Marie: yeah sure I bet they pay 1500-2000 for houses in Tyrellstown… If they paid this much then they wouldn’t have problem to move on now…
Theres a lot of rent allowance here i thought – Niall Boylan show discussed it the other day
As far as I can see it here, If I were just an ordinary Joe Soap landlord and I decided I wished to sell my property and in a timely manner I told my tenant that I planned to do so and their tenancy would no be renewed, there would not be a problem.
If you accept the above scenario as being completely fine, then no person can possibly have an objection with what’s going on here. The difference here that it is not a Joe Soap landlord, it is a a faceless entity. We cannot have one set of standards for one scenario and not for another. they must be the same. I fully sympathise with the people losing their tenancy here but they are not being evicted. they never owned the properties.
Vulture funds taking over mortgages and hiking interest rates is another story entirely. We need to highlight the difference between the two or else its just a case of mob anger.
It is not necessarily the case that the vulture fund intends to sell on immediately after obtaining vacant possession. It may refurb and charge much higher rents, taking advantage of an escalating rental market before selling on.
Let’s all defend a man made concept of earning money to survive rather than showing empathy for one another . Ya know. Basic humanity which we lost somewhere along the way.
Imagine if the likes of Google were told to vacate cos the landlords were selling up or Facebook or Intel. I’m sure the opinions on here would be different.
Bit too heavy on the peroxide there Aoife
Unfortunately their leases are not bring renewed. Thats the rental market.
Its the tenants choice to live in overpriced Dublin with a shortage of rental accommodation
What ‘plan B’ have the tenants put in place when this time came? They have to take the consequences of choosing to live in Dublin.
They way they’re whinging on like they are entitled to be there for the rest of their lives. What have they done about their situations?
Load of bullshit attitude. Life is not plain sailing get over yourselves!
This is Goldman S who got bailed out getting paid again!!!
Free market principles are such that the continuing shortage of housing supply will continue to permit rent gouging by larger landlords who have significant power in local geographic markets. Departing tenants will be facing enormous increases in rent elsewhere. As for the houses which are to be vacated, the holding will be sold at a huge gain over what was paid for them or rented at a huge increase in rent. It’s a typical example of exploitation of shortage of supply being exploited by a limited number of greedy landlords but this will get much worse.
Emigrants will not return to Ireland, FDI will be deterred, homeless will get worse, and social dissension will develop. Squatting will develop as a phenomenon. Social cohesion will be undermined. This is all so a few can make super profits at the expense of the many.
While i do feel sorry for the residents they are being given more than enough time to find somewhere else to live. But this happens everyday in Ireland,leases are not always renewed for whatever reason. I was given 8 weeks notice that my lease wasnt being renewed a few years back and strangely enough it didnt make the news. They are not being evicted,their leases are not being renewed and there’s a BIG difference!
Same consequence, dispossession in a rental market which is subject to scarce supply and increasing monthly rents.
A basket case run by basketcases for basketcases. Ireland Inc.has been sold to the corporate conglomerates by successive Irish Government’s to the detrimental effects on its citizens, well put Patlyndo.
Nope Paul a basketcase is when people who stand in support of higher wages scratch their heads when companies don’t want to invest here because of the rising cost of living/transport/housing.
Yes, increased housing costs are and will continue to me a major deterrent factor to FDI.
Higher rents are also driving increased wages demands.
The cost of living in Ireland is getting quite expensive. Energy costs are high. Monthly rents are prohibitive. Transport is expensive. Peole need higher incomes to be able to cope.
Moderate rental and housing costs would be a factor in reducing high wage demands. It’s about financial survival. There is a limit to the rents affordable by lower income households, especially those with children.
No Fiona, if you continue to increase wages, then the cost of living continues to go up. We need to reduce the costs of living, what we are seeing is different sections lining up for pay rises, like the Luas drivers and now the buses and trains – soon it will be the PS.
This means more taxes to meet those demands.
This means less money going where it’s needed – like housing.
Patlyndo, the cost of living increases as residential rents, one of the biggest items of monthly outlays, increases inexorably in a short supply market, pricing out lower income households who can no longer qualify for the former but now non existent social housing.
Net income for a single person – 35k
Net income for a family – 42k.
Net income, after tax, PRSI, USC.
Is this your idea of low income?
Income must be related to cost of living in relative terms.
When rents are extortionately high and other loving expenses are unafforably high, such incomes are too low.
To put this as simply as I can, an annual income which is adequate when rent for a household is say €1,000 per month will be grossly inadequate when monthly rents climb say to €2,000 per month as a result of extreme housing shortage. That should not be an unduly harsh concept to grasp for you Patlyndo, although I make allowance for the fact that your mental processes lack cognitive acuity.
Are you actually listening to yourself Fiona.
“Income must be related to cost of living in relative terms.”
“To put this as simply as I can, an annual income which is adequate when rent for a household is say €1,000 per month will be grossly inadequate when monthly rents climb say to €2,000 per month as a result of extreme housing shortage.”
You are saying that if rents continue to rise, that annual income becomes inadequate, so following this logic, incomes should rise accordingly.
So tell me this – what happens when employers have to meet the demands of their workers?
What happens then the PS (and they will) come along with their pay demands?
Where do you think the pay increases come from?
If wages increases, then goods and services must be increased to pay for the wage increases – can you not grasp that. IF we increase PS pay, then where do we find money to invest in it?
If all we do is increase wages. then we make the same mistakes we made 10 years ago.,
You said you were a SD supporter, well maybe you might listen to Stephen Donnelly:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7hTX_nop6XkRGdURzVoendyQzQ/view?pref=2&pli=1
“That should not be an unduly harsh concept to grasp for you Patlyndo, although I make allowance for the fact that your mental processes lack cognitive acuity.”
At least I have a mental process.
You should try and broaden your mind, we have other issues besides housing, childcare, health service, costs of services.
We need to reduce the cost of living, not keep up with it – can you not grasp that this is the very madness that happened a decade ago?
Health service in crisis – throw money at it.
Childcare problem – throw money at it.
We reached a point were nurses and Gardai couldn’t buy a house – sound familiar?
We threw money at it.
Now we have a housing crisis because the Government took their eye off that ball.
Whatever solution is to be had won’t be found overnight – but to suggest that one solution is to throw money at it – is bonkers.
Sorry, can I clarify something here -the rent on these houses us €1500 and it’s being covered by rent allowance?
Why is it funds and banks are to blame… Branded evil, parasitic…?
Is the former owner/developer that borrowed and leveraged, gambled, made bad investments, mismanaged their businesses until they couldn’t repay debt or dig their company out of a financial hole not to blame? If a so called vulture fund didn’t take over the assets, interest and debts would just mount until the indebted zombie company collapsed and a liquidator would be called in to do just the same.
It’s sad that say a company like Cleary’s no longer exists, but if they CAN’T make money, using their business model and several attempts to turn around the business fail. Is it not better that it’s iconic building is sold off to someone that can?
Higher rents and increasingly difficult access to the housing mortgage market will mean that many younger people with higher mobility due to experience and ability will need to emigrate in order to have stable living arrangements to raise families, losing Ireland its more talented and younger workforce.
Facebook and Google are now block reserving rental accommodation in the Barrow and Grand Canal areas for young European staff whilst Irish resident employees of SMEs on lower income are priced out of the local rental market.
Stay in your homes.
In other countries, sales of investment residential properties usually permits rent paying tenants to remain in possession, sales being based on the capitalised value of the rent roll.
In this case the Goldman Sachs debt vehicle is using the opportunity, having acquired control very cheaply, to leverage massive capital gains by selling on with vacant possession.
This is all about treating basic housing as a trading speculative commodity, transferring wealth out of Ireland to foreign hedge funds and private equity houses at the expense of the Irish economy.
What is happening and is sadly permitted by law, is benefiting a few foreign investors at the expense of the Irish public interest. It seems that this is acceptable to many Irish people.
The impact will be to radicalise urban tenants by making them wake up to the fact of their gross exploitation. The price to be paid will not be merely financial. This and other looming situations have the potential to create massive social discord.
And if this was to be the case, then when properties are being built, they should be built as residential properties for lease/rent., such as they can be bought and sold in that form. If we had proper planning in this country, property use would be defined in this regard. It is prudent for Dublin to have a strong property ownership and rental market. The entity’s here are operating within the constraints of the law as it was never stated that this list of property’s have to remain as rental properties.
This is a manifestation of problems that failed to be foreseen in the past and very little can be done about this in the short term.
Agreed but what if anything can be done?
A mortgage is a different contract. They could sell your mortgage, but not evict you unless you fell into arrears.
This is a reply to Trevor
Guys, CMON! They have to create the illusion of scarcity to inflate the market. Sure if there was plenty of houses for sale for 100k in Dublin west, how could we peddle gafs with 3 beds and large fridge for 800k!! Homelessness is part of the equation. People will respond to fear better, so the fear of homelessness pushes them to make irrational decisions regarding property purchases. Would you pay 500k for a box? Regards! Fergus (I’m better than you) Crawf0rd.
I’m reading a lot of historical material on the Land War and the development of the Land League, including the evidence given to the Bessborough Commission. This led to the statutory Land Law reforms by the Parliament of Westminster, which started in 1880 and continued into the early 20th century.
It is interesting that the bombastic remarks and hostility to Land Law Reform from landlords, landlords agents and the various interest groups which supported landlords and opposed sensible land law reform and agrarian reform are similar in tone and content to the voices in the 21st century which favour the protection of the banks, hedge funds, vulture funds, private equity houses and the speculators who today seek to exploit lower income householders.
Truly, history repeats.
It is an interesting feature of human nature that social injustice, inequality, exploitation, material hardship and lack of security eventually trigger a strong left wing reaction and social dissension. It starts with intense unfairness but seems less than significant. It is like tinder. Too much tinder eventually will be lit.
Governments or regimes, the establishment, fail to recognise these seemingly insignificant events, these turning points, these events which reveal political systems as unfair and simply wrong towards the most disadvantageous. Civil society depends on common or popular adherence and loyalty. Too many injustices will discredit the system and eventually cause the people to lose trust and loyalty in the current system of political control.
Too much Governmental support for those who are super wealthy and privileged will alienate more and more people, who will demand a fair and just society.
Daft.ie, Navan, houses to rent. I’d post a screen cap but can’t do attachments
No 3 bedroom, 3 bathroomed properties for rent at €1,000 per month in Navan. You just concocted that in order to support your argument. It would have been simple to give the address. You could just post a link if you were genuine.
Ru Would.
Careful here GS is a big contributor to Hillary Clinton’s election fund….
Thank God for the recovery and the wise stewardship of our Great Temporary Leader Enda, where would the country be without him?
I’d be interested in seeing the proof of that statement as I know many people – Irish and EU – who work in both companies and they have *exactly* the same issues as everyone else. Some companies in the area do rent either for corporate visitors or short term for new hires, but I’ve never heard of anyone getting long term accom from those companies. Also, rental property in the area is massively expensive – I’m an Irish resident employee of an SME and I wouldn’t even bother looking at D4 for an apartment rental. Still, makes for a good story and everyone automatically believes it without question.
I notice that I got no replies to *this* post. So no actual proof then, just believable speculation stated as fact.
Hence the *question* – because that’s how it reads in the AAA statement
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