@PC: to protect us from each other perhaps? I don’t require protection from myself but I may require protection from those in our society who are not adhering to the guidelines.

@PC: The problem is selfish people will ignore all the best health advice and infect others. Is that not obvious ?

@PC: The third highest rate of infection in Europe suggests what we were deciding to do was not working. Factor that in with our healthcare system which was seriously strained before this virus, and you should understand the very cautious approach NPHET feel they need to take.

@PC: Personal responsibility! That’s exactly why we’re back to these numbers! lol. all people had to do was keep their distance and isolate if they had symptoms. They did neither so here we are…

@PC: How can you be so ignorant? Its not personal responsibility when your actions can prove fatal to someone else. Cop yourself on.

@Dub Cell: 100%
Personal responsibility is an irrelevent red herring under these circumstances. Collective responsibility is the only effective weapon we have right now.

@Monica Trant: But if that is your perspective surely you’ll be wearing your mask, sanitizing your hands and keeping your distance from any individual you consider a threat. Or alternatively you will choose to isolate from such a person by staying at home or heading out at quiet times. For example my local shop is empty at 8am Monday – Sunday.

@Charlie McCarthy: Charlie, I’m firmly of the view that a zero Covid policy is impossible. So in the absence of a vaccine herd immunity is the only option. That means a significant portion of the population will eventually get it, if we haven’t already had it. The only way to avoid getting such as contagious virus is to self-isolate until herd immunity is reached or a vaccine is developed. The sooner people accept this reality the better.

@PC: Not proposing zero Covid; this is something we are clearly going to have to live with.
However in order for herd immunity to be effective, 60%+ of the population would have to have long term immunity. All Covid antibody studies suggest that antibody immunity fades in a matter of months with this disease. So the numbers just don’t add up on the natural herd immunity argument. Not a single epidemiologist in the world is still seriously considering natural herd immunity as an option.
Maybe once we have a comprehensive vaccination programme in place we will be able to see daylight, but until then it seems we are in a loop of controlling transmission spikes. That’s what the cold hard science is indicating. Opinions don’t matter. Facts do.

@Oleksandr Savitskyy: and?

@Marie Broomfield: meat processing plants ignored guidelines. That’s why we’re back here

@PC: correct sir

@PC: its because the majority of people are acting like children no social distancing ignoring the rules people are just plain silly

@Charlie McCarthy: Charlie, the good news is there is a study just published today suggesting long-term immunity to the virus. https://www.businessinsider.com/long-term-coronavirus-immunity-t-cells-2020-8?amp&__twitter_impression=true&r=US&IR=T
Also a study out suggesting that asymptomatic people don’t spread the virus which is more good news. It’s a WHO report.
https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1270343301930143745?s=09
I would also suggest following FatEmperor on twitter to listen to the other side of the debate which you will never hear on RTE and Irish MSM. Ignore all the plandemic & antivaxer conspiracy theory stuff but there is some relevant information which the Irish media are deliberately not mentioning and some hard questions they should be asking our government and NEPHET.

@PC: I like to listen to both sides and then try and make my own mind up. Government made a mess of yesterday but it appears to me they are going for herd immunity but don’t want to say it as it will go down like a lead balloon with a sizable portion of the electorate. I personally think unpalatable and all as it is, it is the least worst option to pursue.

@PC: people don’t have a clue. Someone told me on here the other day that you don’t get immunity after having Covid. This was based on a couple of cases months ago where they thought people had re-contracted Covid. It turns out that they had never recovered. Point being people don’t have a clue!

@PC: 6% of the Irish population have contracted the virus so far.
Professor from Trinity college on 6 One news on RTE last night stated this.
95% asymptomatic.

@PC: that’s like saying ‘it’s up to all of us to drive at a speed that we assess to be correct for the conditions. Most will, but there are enough a$$h0|es to cause havoc.

That said, I think they’re making an a$s of things

@PC: obviously it is, cases are increasing.

@David Clements: Glynn still hasn’t presented the number of cases connected to this. He mentioned the difficulties of contact tracing. But I thought the app was intended to sort that out

@N Feirtèir: I only heard about the cinemas just now and your correct, it doesn’t make any senseat all, nor does the advice to ignore public transport but my kids can take the (shared) school bus next week!

@David Clements: What evidence?

@N Feirtèir: It’s a bit like asking why someone can afford a car but can’t afford a jet ski when they cost the same amount.
There’s a perceived budget of risky activities that can be allowed which they believe won’t cause a surge and they’ve picked what they believe are the most important for society to function and to keep as many employed as possible.

@Rochelle: exactly. A couple spend about e30 going to the cinema with tickets n snacks. They may even go out for a meal. Another e30 or e40. Club GAA matches? Zero?

@Luke: possibly. But that doesn’t matter. You don’t open the 3arena, develop 1000 cases and then throw your hands in the air and say yeh but at least there were less here than if we opened the Aviva…

@Anne Marie Devlin: sorry but do you want the names and addresses of every patient? If he did provide the figures you’d ask for which matches, then which side of the pitch were they on, then was it the corner forwards Ma, sure she never social distanced anyway the daft mare…. and then you’d accuse him of making it up anyway

@David Clements: the gaa made any club with a ground to charge a tenner in for championship games. As if they’d miss a chance to charge the public, global pandemic or not

@N Feirtèir: again no matter what the CMO says, people will ask for more. If you don’t believe him now, you won’t believe him even if he lines up 30 people in their club jerseys telling us they caught Covid at a match because they all huddled around in a group having a chat about the antics of the aforementioned mother of the corner forward. Y’know the oul wan with the fierce cough

@Steve Monk: kids going to school is essential. Non essential use if public transport is not. They are targeting the activities least likely to cause social and economic damage. And the club championship, like it or not, is not that important for you to attend. It can happen without you there. Kids can’t go to school 5 miles away by hoverboard

@David Clements: That’s a nonsense argument a pattern of cases occuring from a specific setting must occur before you blame the setting and not chance

@David Byrne: still a fraction of the cinema trip. I don’t blame them. I’ve bought a few things to do with supporting football and music to compensate for not giving my money to my team and to local bands on the door or at the gate

@Luke: exactly. And they have happened at sports events. What are we disagreeing about?

@David Clements: So GAA players who contracted Covid contracted it during games? During training? Again do you have statistics to support that?

@Rochelle: Again my question remains the same, How is a cinema, A dark and confined indoor space seen as less of a risk than an open air field ? Because they spend 30 euro and buy some popcorn?

@N Feirtèir: no one mentioned players.

@N Feirtèir: because they are very large indoor spaces with strict social distancing due to reduced numbers. People attend in mainly small groups. Those groups tend not to know each other. They don’t hang around after chatting and mingling. They don’t line up along the fence right next to each other as we could all surely see at matches on tv. I mean, this aspect of it has been explained now….

@David Clements: Once again though, absolutely no statistics to support that assertion.
Your explanation implies that GAA clubs have not implemented social distancing or invested in hygiene products or new protocols. Infact your suggestion is an insult to the hard work put in by clubs.

@N Feirtèir: not at all. It’s just human nature. You can’t control every one at all times..as for statistics, I don’t have them but I have seen tv and photos showing people at games standing together in groups and they also just mentioned socialising before and after. I’ve just watched 2 champions league semi finals played behind closed doors. An Irish club played in a champions league qualifier behind closed doors tonight. The GAA is not a special case in this regard…

@N Feirtèir:
You don’t magically appear standing in the open air at a GAA game. The issue is people congregating before and after the matches

@dublinguide.ie: what’s wrong with congregating provided 2 metres is being observed?
Once again people are congregating in shopping centres, retail parks, Tayto park and restaurants, cinemas etc. So for some reason GAA games people are more at risk? nonsense.

@N Feirtèir: how many times do you need to be told that there have been cases traced to GAA games!

@N Feirtèir: and how many times does the relative social and economic importance of the retail sector versus club championship.matches need to be explained!

@David Clements: How many times do you need to be asked to back that statement up with actual facts rather that hearsay. Do yo uh know something that the GAA dont? Hence why they ht ave asked for the reasoning behind yesterday’s decision.

@David Clements: How about the social and wellbeing that sport offers people? Or is standing in a queue to get into a retail park more socially important? Nonsense.

@N Feirtèir: I believe the CMO

@N Feirtèir: The sports are still being played. I completely understand that viewpoint and have missed a huge amount myself but I can understand that at this particular moment it’s the right call. Stop asking me for stats. If you don’t trust the CMO when he says that’s the case then you cwont trust his stats any way or you’ll question them. See previous posts. Good night…

@N Feirtèir: it’s not hearsay if the CMO says it twice in 2 days FFS. Do you think a whatsapp group is his source?

@N Feirtèir: the implication of this and the GAAs questioning is that you don’t believe the CMO.

@N Feirtèir: also I said social AND ECONOMIC. Jobs matter.

@David Clements: To the contrary, My family and I have followed all the guidelines and appreciate the tireless work of the CMO. As citizens we are entitled to question decisions that impact our lives. It would have been much more widely accepted if we saw the stats. I dont believe that attending GAA games were a max of 200 people is permissible has had any significant impact on our situation.

@David Clements: you keep saying that but you provide zero evidence

@Luke: Does that matter? It is a numbers game and if there are more numbers at GAA games spreading the virus then GAA games will be curtailed.

@Oracle Steve: ok there’s no point going on. The CMO says there’s evidence. You’s don’t accept that. Not much else to say

@Tom Bombdadil: speak for yourself .lol

@Tom Bombdadil: wrong…they’ve lost support of the ‘Me’ brigade. The sensible people with a social conscience know what to do.

@Damo: I suppose the Government is also responsible for tonight’s storm!

@Tom Bombdadil: They’ve completely lost the plot at this point. Fallen victim to the casedemic which it is now https://youtu.be/FU3OibcindQ

@Canyon: they’ve lost people with their hypocrisy. Everyone be safe but meat factories do whatever you want. Don’t go to a game but feel free to go to mass. Don’t have extended family to your house but head to a pub that does food instead. Don’t go abroad but please let people waltz through our airports.

@john gavin: No they are not responsible for tonight’s storm , but they are responsible for the inept and confused messages regarding the measures they have interduced. Donnelly stared the measures were understood by the public, Ryan stated the message was mixed, The part time Taoiseacht Michael Martin stumbled his way through the press conference, Varadkar said nothing…just gave the part time Taoiseacht Michael Martin more rope ..The three ring circus continues.

@john gavin: enlighten me John, Im all ears

@Aidan O’ Neill: agree on meat factories and airports. There needs to be a common north south all island strategy on quarantine. The people need to demand that on both sides.

@Donal Desmond: but surely the mixed messages are best attempt to balance some activities progressing rather than the simpler shut down everything, stage4 NZ style lock down? I think by taking a risk based approach you get variation on the rules, restrictions that appear contradictory.

@Claire Scanlon: it’s actually worse – they’re on holiday

@Claire Scanlon: it’s actually worse – they’re on holiday

@Claire Scanlon: it’s actually worse – they’re on holiday

@Claire Scanlon: it’s actually worse – they’re on holiday

@Daniel Dunne: how do you suggest we protect the elderly if everyone makes their own choices?

@Daniel Dunne: Not even the doctors or scientists know all the risks by now.

@Ian James Burgess: i am Irish and lived and worked in Sweden for a number of years , I am afraid your stereotyping is very wide of the mark , the bars pubs clubs and restaurants in Stockholm every weekend were no different to busy weekend in Dublin – they socialise ( actually they binge drink quite a lot on a friday and Saturday ) – the archipelago islands around Stockholm in the summer has plenty of bbq in their second holiday homes and strangers are welcomed along to share drinks – its just utter shite to stereotype this nonsense that they ‘socially distance all the time’ – it just isn’t the case

@Stuart: theres no person in their 20′s to save, would you get more sympathy with a hypothetical baby? You just deal with cases as they come up. That’s what a health service is supposed to do. The curve is flattened, hospitalisations are down, ICU is good. Normal service needs to resume and all the Covid fans who want to sit in fear are free to can carry on.

@Stuart: Stuart – that hyped nonsense of us not having a system that can manage was proven to be false – we spent 100m+ a month to expand the capacity by using private hospitals and we didnt need the capacity – that fear mongering about ‘over whelming the health system washed ( just about ) when this broke in March – it wont wash now – we have 5 people in the whole country in ICU – 65% of new infections are under 45 and they typically get symptoms and dont need hospital treatment – you sound like your anxiety levels have been ramped up from the 6 months of fearmongering narrative – pay attention to whats happening in other countries – increasing deaths and overwhelming of health systems is NOT visible around the EU – Italy and `germany and `france etc are seeing new cases but they are not seeing death rates grow again – calm the jets and put some perspective on this – they could throw money at extra capacity in extreme case of emergency but have already said they woulldnt need to repeat what they did in march.

@Dave Hammond: well my daughters partner is Swedish and his friends were visiting recently and said that Swedish people rarely talk to strangers under normal circumstances, obviously when pissed it’s different.

@aidanshaw: Where were Fine Gael actually?

@Sean O Reily: I’m more afraid of driving 50k a day to and from work than I am about this virus. But it’s clearly is the only show in town!

@NotMyIreland: more then likely the dail bar?

@john gavin: I’m drawing a comparison between the regular interfering behaviour of the former archbishop when it came to matters of state governance and the tone of the most recent demands made of Ronan Glynn by the GAA official body. The similarity (as per my point) lies mainly in tone, and the suggestion that he should be expected to present himself to explain his actions to a voluntary sporting body separately to the rest of the nation.

@Peter Mulligan: his corpse died in 1973

@Jonny: yeah, he gave the same facts we already have and didn’t say the precautions are unnecessary in any way. All he said is that hospitals aren’t full so there’s no need to panic about hospital beds. He also said that the numbers are going up which is of concern to him. He claimed the media didn’t report on the virus in spring when it was a pandemic (both untrue and a misunderstanding of what a pandemic is) Spain had 3,710 new cases and 127 deaths yesterday. 2,128 and 24 the day before, 1,833 and 2 the day before that. The media are right to be reporting it.