Me a Shinner?

http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/48447/very-disappointed-sinn-fein-holding-firm-position-demanding-1650344/

Voted Labour my entire life adam, but unlike yourself I put the people of Connolly ahead of the abomination the party has become.

Adam, while I am caught for time and haven’t read the full blog something did strike me. An unrecorded oral admission of a crime isn’t worth the paper that it is written on. It’s one word against the other however when the victim gave a statement the second time Gerry also gave a statement and testified against his own brother in a British court.

If the RUC their job properly some twenty years ago then Liam Adams would not have been on the streets. If British Intelligence had not interfered in the investigation then Liam Adams would not have been on the streets. If Liam Adams had not committed the crime in the first place this would have been all academic.

So why is this case more about Gerry Adams rather than RUC/British incompetence and Liam Adams offences? Slugger O’Toole’s site asks that “commenters are urged to ‘play the ball and not the man’. It’s a pity that a lot more people didn’t take that attitude.

Are you actually saying that the British protected Adams

Werejammin, I link the repeated posting of the same link is indicative of people who will read what they want to read and to them that’s Gospel. They don’t feel the need to read up on any other research to make an informed opinion backed up by credible information. It’s the old adage “Throw enough mud and some of it will stick”.

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There are far too many people on here blinkered by either their hatred towards Gerry Adams, or worse, their unwavering support to him no matter what he does. If you look at the facts, they speak for themselves and show Gerry Adams has plenty of questions to answer, whether people like that or not.

Making personal attacks on people change nothing, and attempting to blame others and changing the subject doesn’t change anything either. The RUC has now been disbanded, and the PSNI is in it’s place, and it was the PSNI that eventually brought this case to court and brought it to justice. MI5 has nothing to do with investigating sexual abuse or rape – that’s what the Police are there for – and thus is not responsible for the prior failings of the RUC.

Gerry Adams has a case to answer.

“Gerry Adams has a case to answer.”

If the authorities, who are in possession of more evidence and information than you, decide he has a case to answer, I’m sure that they will do their utmost to make that happen. If you feel they do not have enough evidence or information you are free to use the confidential number and bring them up to spec.

Have you done this?

“MI5 has nothing to do with investigating sexual abuse or rape” Exactly my point Dave.

Then why were they there? Why did a social ask the mother of Aine Adams to meet the “police” in the City centre a few days later. Why were they (MI5/MI) involved at all?

“Making personal attacks on people change nothing” and yet you continue to attack GA while brushing the involvement of shady elements of the British security services under the carpet.

” The RUC has now been disbanded, and the PSNI is in it’s place, and it was the PSNI that eventually brought this case to court and brought it to justice. MI5 has nothing to do with investigating sexual abuse or rape – that’s what the Police are there for – and thus is not responsible for the prior failings of the RUC.”

The RUC was not disbanded it just changed it’s name and uniform and was reformed. Same crowd in a different wrapping. If you want to be an apologist for the RUC and MI5 handling of the case then that’s your choice, however if you want to see justice done in this case then you should be calling for those officers who should have been protecting a child rape victim and prosecuting him for his crimes to also answer questions. You said yourself that the RUC failed in their duty so who haven’t you called for them to be questioned?

That’s a rhetorical question by the way seeing as you have already said “There are far too many people on here blinkered by either their hatred towards Gerry Adams, “

Brian – is there anything in your world you do not blame on something British? The fact is, whether your tribalism is willing to accept it or not Gerry Adams has not acted in accordance with the standards he set for the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. You consistently fail to mention that his niece withdrew the allegation very soon after she made it to the RUC and you have provided no answer for the fact he took 20 years to make a statement and that was only after UTV informed him they were to air a documentary. You accuse people of having a political agenda when you are blinded by political tribalism. It seems you are comfortable with deference to child rape and are happy to blame everyone and anyone other than Gerry Adams. What are your views on the victim stating she feels very let down by her uncle Gerry Adams?

Of course the RUC mishandled the original incident, I said that in my first comment for gods sake. But the RUC no longer exist, they have been replaced by a much more modern Police force in the PSNI, one that has clearly moved on with the times and left the RUC in the past. That’s why the PSNI, although belatedly, handled this case properly and brought it to justice for Aine Adams. As for MI5, of course there was collusion with the RUC and Unionist paramilitaries back 20,30 years ago. We all are aware of that know, and in no way am I apologising for them. But that is in the past, it’s over. The British government have apologised for that, and said it wouldn’t happen again. It hasn’t.

But this article and discussion is about Gerry Adams, not the RUC.
He only went to the PSNI about the incident in 2009 after a TV programme exposed his cover-up of his brother Liam Adam’s rape and sexual abuse of his daughter, which occurred between 1977 and 1983, and Gerry Adams informed of it in 1987. Why?

He claims he informed the employers of Liam Adams – who at the time had access to vulnerable young children – but the organisation said otherwise, Gerry Adams never informed them. Why did he lie?

His own niece – the victim in all of this – said in the TV programme she wanted no contact with Gerry Adams because he failed her and was more concerned about this incident not making the newspapers so as not to damage his political ‘career’. Is he more concerned about his own ‘image’ than a member of his family being raped?

You are trying to change the subject to RUC/MI5, etc. and away from the real issue – Gerry Adams handling of all of his. Whether or not what he did was legal or illegal is one thing, but it is certainly NOT befitting of an elected representative in Dail Eireann, leader of a political party and member of Stormont. By right, he should either resign or be taken down by his own party.

Paul look back at the comments that I have made over previous threads because I can’t be arsed having to repeat myself again to you.
“You consistently fail to mention that his niece withdrew the allegation very soon after she made it to the RUC and you have provided no answer for the fact he took 20 years to make a statement” as I stated yesterday “Paul, he confronted his brother, she went to the RUC ,they weren’t interested, she withdrew her complaint as a result. What more can you do?” http://www.thejournal.ie/gerry-adams-liam-adams-assault-1109873-Oct2013/ I also mentioned her withdrawl here http://www.thejournal.ie/liam-adams-guilty-of-rape-1109383-Oct2013/
so what are you on about????

You accuse me of being ” blinded by political tribalism. ” I am not a member of any political party, have voted for all parties at one stage or another and this has nothing to do with politics. It’s about people singling out one person for the failings of many and trying to use them as a scapegoat. I would argue the same points for anyone else regardless of their political affiliations.

“Brian – is there anything in your world you do not blame on something British?” Yes, if the offence occurred in the Republic I would blame the Irish police, social workers and who ever else was responsible. This offence occurred in a British ruled state involving State institutions governed by the British Government. Who do you want me to blame, the Taiwanese?

” happy to blame everyone and anyone other than Gerry Adams. ” Did Gerry Adams rape her? Did he tell the RUC to not investigate the case properly? Did he ask British spooks to get involved? Of all the people involved in this affair only one person has been singled out for criticism while people conveniently brush aside the failure of the State to protect a rape victim.

As for your question about Aine Adams feeling left down by her Uncle, this is the first time that I have seen that so I will have to look it up and see what she what she said about him.

You can ramble on here all night about Gerry Adams, but it’s patently obvious to anyone he has plenty to answer for, and should not be in the position in society he is in today.

Dave, I made no mention of collusion with Loyalist paramilitaries so I son’t know where you got that from.
“You are trying to change the subject to RUC/MI5, etc. and away from the real issue”
So the real issue is not the failure of the RUC, interference by MI5 or the NIDHSS, it’s all about Gerry. Why haven’t people called to account the fact that he (Liam Adams) admitted to his daughter Sinead in 2002 that he abused Aine? Why didn’t she go to the police? Why isn’t she being investigated?

This is a political witch hunt, no more no less. Could he have handled it better? Probably could, however unless the victim is prepared to come forward and a competent police force is willing to prosecute it there is very little that he could do. If the RUC weren’t willing to act on direct information from the victim herself what chance would a statement of an oral conversation have had?

Like I said, ramble on all night if you want. But the fact is Gerry Adams should not be in the Dail or Stormont with this kind of behaviour. Legal or illegal. Sinead Adams isn’t going to possibly be the next Tanaiste, but Gerry Adams is. Any other Politician outside of Sinn Fein would have been either sacked or reigned by now, lord knows that’s happened for much less in other parties. Gerry Adams can’t stop talking when it concerns someone else, but when it’s him who’s in the spotlight, he doesn’t utter a word.

Upright citizens in charge of Kincora, the very Reverend William McGrath and co. Those operating the Kincora child vice ring were eventually prosecuted in 1981, but no charges were ever brought against the elite VIP clientelle of the Kincora child abuse vice ring, which included, prominent buisnessmen, hanging judges and government officials who were never prosecuted for their exploitation and sexual abuse of young working class boys. In court it was found that the so called pillars of society running the home, were guilty of the RITUAL sexual abuse of defenceless young boys in their care, whom they exploited and sold to their VIP clientelle. The authorities relunctance to act against the Kincora paedophiles also may have been because of the proven MI5/special branch interest in the VIP clientelle of the Kincora child vice network. These powerful authortarian figures would prove useful and supportive of any RUC actions in the future, given the MI5 files complied on the Kincora clientelle. Many of the VIP clientelle who sexually abused and degraded young working class boys are still prominent members of Ulster society, still highly respected pillars of society, some still High court judges, magistrates etc, some even have roles which give them direct access to children, some are now governors of schools, some are doctors etc.

Murder

Whos murder?

Garda Inspector Samuel Donegan, 1972.
Jean McConville, innocent mother of ten, 1972.
Brian Stack, chief prison officer Portlaoise, 1983
Tom Oliver, innocent farmer, 1991.

…to name but a few…

Political pressure?if there was any way the British or Irish governments could blacken the name of any Sinn Fein member they would jump at the opportunity, truth is there is absolutely no case for Gerry Adams to answer. It’s disgusting the way some anti-Sinn Fein people will us the traumatic ordeal of a child for political reasons.

Goon did you read or listen to anything about this case over the last few days. He knew about the abuse many years ago then spoke to the victim to try and tell her it was all ok because his brother was under a bit of pressure. Gerry Adams harboured a pedophile for many years.
It’s disgusting in any mans book. Forget about the British or Irish government. He should be prosecuted at the very least. We bleat and moan about the church but when Gerry does it a lot of people go very quiet. Gutless cowards

Your full of gick chuck.

Chuck where did you get the information that he told his niece that it was ok that her father was under pressure and that he was covering up for a pedophile?..is this fact or conjecture??

” Forget about the British or Irish government.” Yes Chucks lets forget about the British Government and it’s failure to prosecute a child rapist years ago. Lets forget about British Intelligence trying to turn the child victim of repeated rapes into an informant and agent of the British Government. Lets forget about the RUC not doing their job properly. Lets forget about the victim and concentrate on her Uncle because of who he is. Lets forget about the fact that people who have an anti Gerry Adams/Sinn Fein agenda are using the trauma of of a child rape victim to further their own agenda.

In your own words “It’s disgusting in any mans book.”

Well said Brian. None of this sits well with me but this smacks of political opportunism. This is not black and white, in fact it’s all grey and fuzzy, even the law is fuzzy on it. I don’t know if its even a crime not to report a crime in another jurisdiction. If so what jurisdiction to you report it to and so on.
If he didn’t report it you can be sure the reason is that this would happen. Media, pol parties etc would find a way to blame Gerry.
Sympathies to Aine, the victim in the case in case people have forgot.

@goon, UTV documentary interview on Adams reaction. Admitting you knew about the abuse and didn’t report it is generally considered covering up for a pedophile.

Gerry, the abuse was reported!!!!!!!! What part of that do you not understand??? It was reported in 1987 FFS. The RUC did nothing, nothing to help that girl even though they apparently did a medical exam that showed that a rape had occurred. If anyone could be accused of a cover up it’s the British security forces who tried to turn a frightened, traumatised young victim into an informer or else use the information to try to politically discredit Gerry Adams. In fact the British security services have history in that regard, just look up the Kincora Boys Home http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys’_Home .