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No referendum on ‘women in the home’ clause before "extensive consultations"

The government says that a possible referendum on altering the article 41.2 of the constitution is complicated by the desire to acknowledge the work of home carers.

A REFERENDUM ON changing the reference in the constitution to women’s ‘life within the home’ will not happen before “extensive consultations” take place according to Justice Minister Alan Shatter.

The Constitutional Convention earlier this year recommended that the clause shouldn’t be removed but amended to make it gender neutral and to acknowledge the role played by carers in society.

Shatter told the Dáil today that the government accepts the need to amend the language but that the desire to include cares will delay any efforts to change the Constitution.

“The inclusion of a reference by the Convention to the issue of “carers” is the reason why it is not possible to offer a more specific time-frame for a referendum to take on board the overarching recommendation at this time, ” he said.

The Constitutional Convention recommend that the language on any amendment should be worded “to include carers beyond the home” and that those to whom its applies “shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour.’’

To decide on an appropriate choice of language for the amendment, the Justice Minister says that a task force will be set up which will report back by the end of October 2014.

At present the clause in question, article 41.2, reads:

In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.
The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.

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(Alan Shatter outlines the government’s position in Dáil Éireann today. Pic: Oireachtas/Screengrab)

Shatter said that the government is mindful that a number of alternative wordings have been proposed previously and that these will be considered as part of the process.

“It also must be a form of wording that does not have unintended consequences and does not impose financial obligations on the State which would ultimately fall on taxpayers and which we cannot afford,” he said.

Participation by women in public life

The Minister for Justice said that the government accepted that the Constitutional Convention did not recommend altering the constitution to address the role of women in political and public life. He added however “that women are still significantly under-represented in political life, in senior management and corporate governance roles”.

The Constitutional Convention also recommend in May that “the Constitution should be amended to include an explicit provision on gender equality”. In the Minister’s speech to the house today he said that “while this proposal has merit”, a review by his department and the Attorney General’s office will be required before any action.

This review is also scheduled to report by October 2014.

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    Mute Mary Cullinane
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 6:35 PM

    Seems like FG are worried, why don’t they concentrate on telling people why they should vote for Gay Mitchell instead of telling us why we shouldn’t vote for Martin McGuinness, then again maybe they can’t come up with any good reason as to why we should actually vote for Gay Mitchell!!!!

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    Mute Burned Toast
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 6:43 PM

    Because he’s not an alleged terrorist is good enough for me.

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    Mute Barry R.
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 11:15 PM

    I agree with y

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    Oct 3rd 2011, 11:16 PM

    I agree with you Burned, but I would say he is not an ‘alleged’ terrorist, he is a CONVICTED terrorist.

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    Mute Sean C
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    Oct 4th 2011, 7:03 AM

    I very much doubt that, if a person is convicted of a crime that results in 12 months or more imprisonment they can’t serve in any British parliament. He is, or was, Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland.

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    Mute Ben English
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 6:37 PM

    What an absolute idiot. Fine Gael have it lost before it’s even begun!

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    Mute Seamus Ryan
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 6:54 PM

    When he labels his twitter account as “govchiefwhip” (and he has), he’s speaking as the government chief whip when he tweets.

    I expect better from the government chief whip speaking as the government chief whip. Particularly when he’s also Minister of State for anything.

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    Mute Lorcan O'Neill
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 7:30 PM

    well said. Seamus!

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    Mute Unitedpeople Ireland
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 7:57 PM

    So as a minister of state – he actually stating that he and they can say anything now without proof?
    Is this a new policy by the Irish government that a person is no longer innocent until proven guilty?

    WOW – just WOW!

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    Mute Helen Gallagher
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 8:00 PM

    He should be sacked,has Inda got the back bone to do it.

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    Mute DubDon
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 6:40 PM

    Oh oh that’s not good!!! Now Paul did Inda not warn you about the dangers around gettin ur twitter in a fix.., you can’t be saying things like that about other people just because your own candidate is worse than a cardboard cutout. Jesus between Kehoe and the Brut Phil Hogan they are walking votes over to McGuinness…

    As I said before FG completely bereft of ideas or forward planning for Ireland so all they can do is spit the dummy and try to slur other candidates. Think FG is getting too big for their boots only a couple of months in power and they are carrying on like this…

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    Mute Ailís McKernan
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 6:56 PM

    Isn’t it funny how Fine Gael coordinate their character assassinations just in time for the Sunday papers, ensuring Gay gets at least some spotlight, because let’s face it, without being a negative parasite leeching on MMcG’s candidacy, no one would give him a second thought.

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    Mute Gleann Doherty
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 6:35 PM

    Same old same old.

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    Mute AlexGogan
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 6:40 PM

    I think he is taking his position literally. Don’t you just love politicians.

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    Mute Páid Ó Donnchú
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 7:53 PM

    I think Higgins will win, as do the bookies. But if McGuinness does win, I expect Kehoe, Shatter and a few others to immediately resign from Government.

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    Mute eugene doherty
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 8:28 PM

    Let’s hope so, blue shirt Simpletons

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    Mute Unitedpeople Ireland
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 8:32 PM

    I will expect the whole government to resign to be honest, if they pursue this policy of “No longer innocent until proven guilty!”

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    Mute AlexGogan
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 8:36 PM

    Oh god now your tempting me to vote a certain way just to see them and hear their speeches of praise.

    And they would have to after all we are talking about the head of state here.

    Damn, why did you point this out
    >:~)

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    Oct 3rd 2011, 7:49 PM

    Desperate attempt by FG to stay relevant in this election.
    They are in for a shock as they find out they were never near as popular as they like to think.

    FF are just very unpopular .

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    Mute Adam Magari
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 6:59 PM

    Wonder how the Northern Assembly Unionists how digesting McGuinness’ unsuitability for high office? The problem that FG and Mitchell have now is that having persistently tried to force the McGuinness’ campaign off the road, their own campaign wagon has careered off out of control on a rally of its own leaving the electorate scratching it’s collective head. Mitchell’s campaign is clearly both directionless and almost washed up. It needs a half a dozen reverse gears to get back to a non-hysterical starting point. Davis and Higgins presumably can’t believe their luck.

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    Oct 3rd 2011, 6:42 PM

    Ok seriously wtf is a chief whip?!

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    Oct 3rd 2011, 7:20 PM

    I’m not sure what a chief whip is but for saying that and brazenly admitting it he should have to step down in shame.

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    Mute Sean C
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 9:00 PM

    He’s the Government’s coordinator & enforcer, he carries the parliamentary equivalent of a length of rubber hose in his back pocket to whip TD’s into line. He makes sure TD’s are in the Dail for crucial votes, he provides the Dority Dixers, and chooses which TD’s ask them, he chooses the spear-chuckers and provides them with spears to chuck at the opposition, he provides the dirt sheets (aka shit sheets) to use against opposition members, he provides the standard responses so everyone is on the same page. In an election his job is to identify the opposition candidate who is the biggest threat to the government and coordinate the attack on the "also ran" such as MMcG who’s preference flows will do the most damage to the government’s candidate. The fact that he did the attacking himself shows how bad their candidate is doing in party polling and focus groups.

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    Oct 4th 2011, 8:00 AM

    sean c
    found ur definition v interesting. u should write a blog on the dAIL which is in plain english.. u could sign me up for following it… well done

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    Mute Eddie Barrett
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 9:37 PM

    The Blueshirt Fascists are still alive and still promoting their message of hate , lies and division in Ireland !

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    Mute Eddie Barrett
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 9:50 PM

    I must add though that not all Fine Gael Members or supporters share these extremist fascist type attitudes – talked to some Members today who are totally ashamed of all their put downs and lies and feel that Fine Gael and Mitchell have completely lost the plot!

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    Mute Tim Kearney
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 11:07 PM

    Fair play to you Eddie …. I am a bit bewildered with Enda Kenny .. I thought he was of the Modern Era .. Mitchell should pull out now before he does any more damage to the party ..

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    Mute Ultramann
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 9:59 PM

    Minister of Hate

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    Mute Ultramann
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 9:57 PM

    It’s tweeted and that’s that.”
    Not quite. One defamation suit coming up.. ought to be worth a bit. Whats the value of an average Wexford farm these days?

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    Mute Tim Kearney
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 10:33 PM

    What a shower of yobs .. We voted them in because they promised us change .. Fine Gael has conned us just like Fainna Fail did … Same old shite .. Labour are the same … Lets have anybody but any of the above .. Shane Ross = Fainna Fail .. Mary Davis = Fianna Fail … Norris = Fainna Fail .. Dana = Fianna Fail …Mitchell = Fine Gael … Higgins =labour … All out for themselves ..

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    Oct 3rd 2011, 11:01 PM

    Why did I put Shane Ross in with that lot ??? … Sean Gallagher it should be .. :-)

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    Mute Alan Murphy™
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    Oct 4th 2011, 2:06 AM

    Was wondering that myself. Pity Ross wasn’t running this country himself

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    Mute Ultramann
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    Oct 4th 2011, 1:22 PM

    Shane Ross should be in the Me Fein Party. oh i forgot he is already in a party..the Sunday Independent Party. His specialty – attaching women and men with beards. He wont be happy till he finds a bearded lady to savage in his malicious rag.

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    Mute Colin Tyrrell
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 7:45 PM

    He admitted it; so fair play. He didn’t try the ‘hacked’ excuse as predicted by some.
    And let’s be honest.. insurmountable evidence hasn’t been enough to stop others squirming their way out of holes

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    Oct 4th 2011, 2:06 AM

    Serious back-fire for Fine Gael. Smacks of the Lisbon campaign: “Vote for Lisbon or we will lose jobs” – Now they are trying to pull the same stunt by saying: “If you vote for McGuinness we’ll lose jobs”… It’s beyond the pale, and the Irish public will see through this petty nonsense. By all accounts – McGuinness and Robinson have actually been doing a good job going over to the US on trade missions to entice work back to the north.

    I’d be willing to go out on a limb and call this for what this is – terrorism by Fine Gael. They are using fear to try and dictate the public for who to vote for. I’ll tell you who they won’t be voting for, and it’s Gay Mitchell. He doesn’t stand a chance now and you can expect a few people to vote McGuinness now, just as a protest vote.

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    Mute Madeline Angela Hind
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    Oct 4th 2011, 11:27 AM

    @ sean

    so telling the truth is terrorism but being a member of a terrorist organisation. Yet another hilarious definition of the word terrorism by a terrorist supporter

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    Mute Cal Mooney
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    Oct 4th 2011, 2:29 PM

    @ Madeline : So if you dont support FG and Labours view of the world, you are a terrorist ??? I think Hitler used language like that in the 1930′s against a section of the German population … Yes/No ???

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    Mute Seán Ó Briain
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    Oct 4th 2011, 6:16 PM

    Claiming that we will lose jobs if McGuinness is president is an absolute lie, and is clearly an attempt to control the public through coercion.

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    Mute Eamonn Óg Ó Gallachóir
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    Oct 4th 2011, 2:16 AM

    Fine Gael are making some mess of our 22 counties :)

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    Mute Keith Higgins
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 7:36 PM

    Why go on about it they have already decided who will win the puppet race anyway!!! lick the hole’s of county council’s to get in then your still on a string doing favours of those that got you in the first place why have such a high paid puppet for a mascot. Piss more money away go on as if there is not enough money waisted on that useless shower of f**k Witt’s already in the d…… why not have another big look in the courts on Did mcguinness get involved with the robbery or NOT f**k it let do it and really put this country back looking for soup again only we’ll have the spuds to go with it this time

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    Mute Madeline Angela Hind
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    Oct 3rd 2011, 7:48 PM

    brave man mr Kehoe.

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    Mute James Quirke
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    Oct 4th 2011, 12:46 AM

    If in the unlikely event McGuinness actually does win this election won’t the relationship between them be slightly awkward and frictional?
    Surely to this point these government ministers and representatives should remain neutral in their official capacity during an election campaign?

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    Mute Eddie Barrett
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    Oct 4th 2011, 9:18 AM

    Jim Mitchell from this moment will be working for all the People of Ireland ( in the 22 Counties presumably ) and obviously not the People of The Six Counties – as our current President has so phenomenally done so.
    So I presume that the other four Counties to be excluded by him will include my County of Kerry , probably Louth , Donegal and anywhere else that have SF TD’s.
    After all , if he is elected – he is going to be INFORMING us all on what he knows about SF and The North , as he stated – and that for a Fine Gael politician , is in truth – not a lot .

    Time for you Mr Kehoe to resign from your post ! You have disgraced yourself ! and I’m looking foreword to seeing your Vote in Republican Kerry AND elsewhere Jim !!!

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    Oct 4th 2011, 1:10 PM

    Eddie you being smart about someone making a slip about 22 v 26 counties, except your not above it yourself, Jim Mitchell is dead, his brother GAY MITCHELL is running for president.

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    Mute Niamh McGaley
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    Oct 4th 2011, 12:54 PM

    He should be made resign for this. If he posted from his own twitter account, then it’s his personal opinion, but using the @GovChiefWhip account, and openly admitting that he posted using this account (it wasn’t hacked) – he should be sacked from the government.
    Enda and others stood for long enough on the opposition benches shouting for FF heads on plates over similar things, and stated at the time IF they were in government they would sack the person … now is the time to put your money where your mouth is Enda… Have you the courage of your convictions?

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    Mute Ken Mc Fadden
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    Oct 4th 2011, 3:51 AM

    FG must have done a number of private polls and the figures scared them, i dont listen to Paul Kehoe about that bank robbery, i listen to the former garda commisioner, to Hugh Orde, to our government, to the independent commision to know who was responsible, we are fooling ourselves if we believe Kehoe is not right, be honest even just to yourself. Gay Mitchell is just a dull candidate , simple as.

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    Mute Ultramann
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    Oct 4th 2011, 1:29 PM

    Two short lines with the word ‘terror’ four times. Well done girl. Your auditioning for the Anti-Northern Republican hate rag, the Sindo, is going spiffingly.

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    Mute John Kinsella
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    Apr 15th 2015, 6:50 PM

    Martin McGuinness should go for the best legal people on the island and take Kehoe to the cleaners.

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