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"We are patriots, and one of the things we are patriotic about is democracy, " explained Alan Rusbridger. PA Wire

Guardian editor defends publication of NSA leaks in the face of tough questioning

Alan Rusbridger said he was “surprised” when committee chairman Keith Vaz asked him: “Do you love this country?”

THE EDITOR OF the Guardian newspaper has defended the publication of leaks by Edward Snowden, insisting during fierce questioning from lawmakers that it had not put any lives at risk.

Alan Rusbridger insisted he was a “patriot” when he was asked by a parliamentary committee if he loved his country.

Britain’s spy chiefs told lawmakers last month that the Guardian’s publication of leaks by former US National Security Agency contractor Snowden had helped Britain’s enemies.

“This stuff may be politically embarrassing but there’s nothing here that is risking national security,” Rusbridger said in the televised hearing of the Home Affairs Select Committee.

It is important context that editors of probably the world’s leading newspapers in America, the Washington Post and the New York Times, took virtually identical decisions. So this is not a rogue newspaper.

Rusbridger said that only around 1 per cent of the 58,000 secret documents passed to the Guardian and other papers by Snowden had been published.

The rest were “secure” he said. He declined to reveal in public where they were kept, saying that he would write to the committee to tell them if they wanted.

Asked if the Guardian was responsible for revealing the names of intelligence agents, Rusbridger said the paper had “published no names and we have lost control of no names.”

Rusbridger said he was “surprised” when committee chairman Keith Vaz asked him: “Do you love this country?”

“We are patriots, and one of the things we are patriotic about is democracy and the nature of our free press,” Rusbridger hit back.

The committee is questioning Rusbridger as part of its investigation into counter-terrorism.

The revelations in the Guardian, the Washington Post the New York Times and Germany’s Der Spiegel are based on files leaked by Snowden, who has been granted temporary asylum in Russia.

Over the past six months the reports have laid bare the scale of spying by the US and other countries, often on their own allies, in some cases sparking major diplomatic rows.

The heads of Britain’s main intelligence agencies MI5, MI6 and GCHQ warned last month that Al-Qaeda and other enemies were “lapping up” Snowden’s revelations and were using them to change the way they operate.

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Editor of The Guardian newspaper Alan Rusbridger gives evidence to the Commons Home Affairs Committee. Pic: PA Wire

Some of the MPs pressed Rusbridger, 59, on whether he had committed a criminal offence for communicating secret information containing details about GCHQ staff out of the country, namely to journalists at the New York Times.

“I think it has been known to the government, apparent to the government for many months, that the material that Mr Snowden leaked included a good many documents that had names of security people working for both the NSA and GCHQ,” Rusbridger said.

“I told the cabinet secretary in mid-July that we were sharing this with the NYT. Self-evidently they work in New York.”

Rusbridger pointed out that GCHQ officials had later supervised the destruction of computer hard drives and other equipment containing the Snowden files at the Guardian’s offices in London.

Vaz asked him if the Guardian was the subject of a police investigation, to which the editor replied: “I don’t know.

“Scotland Yard say that they are holding an investigation into the matters generally, no one has told us whether that includes the Guardian or not.”

Ahead of the parliamentary hearing, Rusbridger tweeted a “v nice letter” of support from Carl Bernstein, the veteran US journalist who helped break the Watergate scandal.

Bernstein said the hearing appeared to be “an attempt by the highest UK authorities to shift the issue from government policies and excessive government secrecy in the United States and Great Britain to the conduct of the press”.

© – AFP 2013

Read: Guardian editor faces grilling over Edward Snowden’s NSA leaks >

Read: “Our adversaries are rubbing their hands with glee. Al-Qaeda is lapping it up.” – MI6 >

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    Mute Ciaran Farrelly
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    Nov 28th 2019, 7:58 AM

    They’ve known this for years but still have done nothing about it. Forward thinking and Irish Government don’t go together in a sentence.

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    Mute Lily Martin
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    Nov 28th 2019, 9:31 AM

    @Ciaran Farrelly: they don’t shine at any kind of thinking really

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    Mute Phil O' Meara
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    Nov 28th 2019, 8:06 AM

    What about using windfall money to invest in infrastructure like our decrepit water pipes?

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    Mute Chin Feeyin
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    Nov 28th 2019, 8:13 AM

    @Phil O’ Meara:

    or housing;
    or roads;
    or schools;
    or hospitals;
    or trains;
    or giant printers!!

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    Nov 28th 2019, 8:12 AM

    Why has the journal not reported any of the recent good news on the economic front? Lower unemployment again, higher tax receipts, evidence that one of the multinationals based her pays more than the headline 12.5% rate?
    If you only read the Journal you’d swear that the country is struggling while in fact it’s booming!

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    Mute Michael Kavanagh
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    Nov 28th 2019, 8:26 AM

    @joe:
    But you can’t complain if booming is about!

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    Nov 28th 2019, 8:29 AM

    @joe: booming fot the few..

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    Mute Chin Feeyin
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    Nov 28th 2019, 8:37 AM

    @joe: that wouldn’t fit with the Left Wing bias.

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    Mute Michael Patrick Newell
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    Nov 28th 2019, 9:33 AM

    @joe: less people on the dole can easily be made to look well when you see people being dumped into the likes of seetec or tus, and the fact is the higher tax receipts are coming from people already over stretched with crappy pay packets and stealth tax after stealth tax……you might want everyone to be all happy because in your eyes its a wonderful time, but sadly for lots of people there is no recovery and most are barely keeping their heads above water

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    Nov 28th 2019, 9:44 AM

    @Michael Patrick Newell: Well you have that because one million people in Ireland pay little or no tax at all.

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    Mute joe
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    Nov 28th 2019, 9:59 AM

    @Michael Patrick Newell: look around you and open your eyes. There are jobs for anyone who wants them. You have to start somewhere, start in a low level job and work your way up.
    The prospects that come from having a job are much greater than those that come from not having one.
    Life is what you make it!

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    Nov 28th 2019, 10:03 AM

    @joe: its a false economy.
    More in work than a few years ago but also more shitty jobs. Far less permanent jobs, lower real wages. Unaffordable rent.
    When a person earning an average wage hasn’t a hope of buying a house the society is in serious trouble.

    The rich poor divide is growing rapidly we are heading towards having a lower income tier of society who can never own property with a very small proportion owning everything….
    sound familiar? Is should because we have had it here before with the landed gentry. We are heading for a return to feudal times with pesants and elite.

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    Nov 28th 2019, 10:06 AM

    @joe: What is booming Joe ? does that mean theres a bust coming too..
    Its Booming for bankers and Property Owners .. while people with even decent jobs struggle to pay rent

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    Nov 28th 2019, 10:23 AM

    @joe: Yeah, all those cribbing and moaning should “commit suicide”.

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    Nov 28th 2019, 11:19 AM

    @Gowon Geter: there’s always a busy coming. It’s just a question of when! That’s how economics works!

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    Mute joe
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    Nov 28th 2019, 11:21 AM

    @Gowon Geter: tourism, restaurants, bars, tech, construction. A knock on from that is a load of support jobs in the wider services sector.

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    Nov 28th 2019, 12:19 PM

    @joe: Ok Joe. You get a job in the service sector, then try to afford rent (haha), health insurance (because wouldn’t want to wait a week on a trolley or a year for a scan), groceries, utilities, you’ll probably need a car because good luck finding suitable accommodation within walking distance from your wonderful new job and public transport is just not a viable option in many places so then there’s motor tax, car insurance, petrol, (a carbon tax coming down the tracks, and if you own a laptop, phone or TV you’ll probably be hit for a TV licence eventually too), oh and also try to save for a mortgage that you’ll never qualify for on your salary from this wonderful job but don’t worry, as you put it it’s all about work ethic and Ireland is a bountiful land of plenty for those who don’t want to just sit on their ass on the dole, why, work your way up in that job and in maybe 10-15 years you won’t be in the red every month. Hurrah. Seriously, have you actually been paying attention to the state of this country and challenges workers face, how expensive it is just to live here? or are you in some sort of little wealthy bubble where none of this affects you so you look down at the great unwashed and assume they must not be as smart or talented as you are, sure why else would they be struggling?

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    Mute Tony Henry
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    Nov 28th 2019, 7:45 AM

    When the shinners get into power they will bring in a sustainable corporation tax policy that will cover everything…. bring forth the shinners

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    Nov 28th 2019, 8:28 AM

    @Tony Henry: tell you what muppet, look around the country its in a terrible mess, and guess what it’s not SF in government!!

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    Mute Michael Patrick Newell
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    Nov 28th 2019, 9:30 AM

    @Tony Henry: well they cant be any worse than the role over for a brown envelope or cushy job FFG circus act who would rather pucker up to large corporations and then expect the joe soap tax payer or irish business to pick up the tab……bring fourth the clowns of the FFG clown college

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    Mute milton friedman
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    Nov 28th 2019, 9:40 AM

    @rumug: don’t SF have majorities on councils?

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    Mute john doe
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    Nov 28th 2019, 9:55 AM

    @milton friedman: here and there they are. What’s your point? County councils have little to no power.

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    Mute Ananya Sharma
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    Nov 28th 2019, 8:40 AM

    The first paragraph says it all about this Government, “reliance on using corporate tax receipts to plug spending overruns”
    Why is there so many spending overruns is the first place. Tax payers money been wasted every day while so many worthy causes are crying out for extra funding. Disgraceful

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    Nov 28th 2019, 8:02 AM

    The people’s money trough can add more and more tax under FFG rule…

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    Mute Chin Feeyin
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    Nov 28th 2019, 8:11 AM

    @Willy Mc Bride: What?

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    Mute Gerard Heery
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    Nov 28th 2019, 8:31 AM

    We’re a high cost economy that can’t afford itself anymore they should of let the troika sort out the place before the kicked them out ,

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    Mute Dara O'Brien
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    Nov 28th 2019, 7:43 AM

    Possibly but, when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.

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    Mute Michael Patrick Newell
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    Nov 28th 2019, 9:37 AM

    Strange I didn’t hear a peep from the IFAC when the government were signing off on the dodgiest of dodgy deals in relation to the 3 billion euro broadband. Cos if they think that made any economic sense given how its been done and where it will be sold to after, then these lot really aren’t good with numbers. Don’t worry lads in order to avoid the multinationals from ever paying the full amount they are meant to, we will just lump another tax on the irish and label it something to do with the climate or health, that usually works and gets a nice juicy tax robbery i mean take

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    Mute William Mcgee
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    Nov 28th 2019, 12:21 PM

    Same old story the have and the have nots , the poor are been forced to pay even if it leaves them hungry as the rich continue to feed their bank accounts .

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    Mute SJF
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    Nov 28th 2019, 12:11 PM

    It’s cool, we have an entire population of idiots who will continued to vote FFG and pay a whole battery of new income taxes, stealth taxes, property, water, carbon taxes, air, death etc so that the poor, struggling mega-corporations aren’t out of pocket.

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