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Explainer: What exactly is going on in Ukraine?

Three people were killed in Kiev clashes this morning amid renewed violence in the Ukrainian capital. But what’s behind the dispute?

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of demonstrators returned to the centre of Kiev last weekend, two months since the start of the first anti-government ‘Euromaidan’ protests. Last year’s initial demonstrations were the largest seen since the country’s pro-democracy ‘Orange Revolution‘ in 2004.

Further unrest is now expected in the country after three people were killed amid clashes with police this morning. The violence followed the introduction of controversial new anti-protest laws, which allow for jail terms of up to five years for those who blockade public buildings and the arrest of protesters wearing masks.

At the focus of the protest movement is whether the country will forge closer ties with Russia or the EU — the initial demonstrations last November centred on the Government’s decision not to sign a pact that would bring closer ties with Europe, and pull the country away from the influence of Russia.

So what’s going on in the former Soviet state? What are the factors in the dispute? And what’s likely to happen now?

TheJournal.ie takes a look:

Where is Ukraine anyway?

The eastern European nation shares a nearly 2,300 km border with Russia. It also borders six other countries — Belarus, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova, as well as the Black Sea.

It has a population of 45 million people. The official State language is Ukranian.

Known as the Ukranian Soviet Socialist Republic from 1922,  it declared itself an independent nation in 1991, with the fall of the USSR.

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[Image: Google Maps]

Who is in power?

The pro-Russian Viktor Yanukovich has been president since February 2010.

A divisive figure in the country — previously, he was the country’s prime minister under Leonid Kuchma. After the Supreme Court ruled in 2004 that electoral fraud had been committed in his favour, he lost out on the presidency after second run-off vote, which followed the Orange Revolution protests.

Pro-West opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko then took power, before losing out once again to Yanukovych six years later.

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Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych [Mindaugas Kulbis/AP/Press Association Images]

Yanukovych continued to lead the pro-Russia 'Party of the Regions' in the wake of his defeat, and served as second period as Prime Minister, under Yushchenko, between 2006 and 2007. He defeated the co-leader of the Orange Revolution Yulia Tymoshenko in a run-off vote in the 2010 election.

Controversially, Tymoshenko was jailed for seven years in 2011 for criminally exceeding her powers, a conviction viewed by the West as a case of selective justice.

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Yushchenko and Tymoshenko during an Orange Revolution rally in December 2004 [Efrem Lukatsky/AP/Press Association Images]

Whatever happened to the Orange Revolution anyway?

After sweeping to power on a tide of popular support  following the protests of 2004, the relationship between President Yushchenko and Prime Minister Tymoshenko soon turned sour.

Yushchenko fired her from the role late in 2005, but Tymoshenko was reappointed two years later (taking over from Yanukovych) as the ruling parties rebuilt their alliance. However, the two continued to be at odds for the rest of their time in power.

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Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators gather to protest electoral fraud in November 2004 [Efrem Lukatsky/AP/Press Association Images]

Though Yushchenko presided over some democratic reforms, progress towards EU membership was hampered by divided public opinion.

As the global economic crisis hit in 2008, voters placed much of the blame at the President's door. Yushchenko won less than 6 per cent of the vote in the 2010 election, coming fifth.

Tymoshenko, however, remained comparatively popular, and made it through to the second round before being beaten by Yanukovych. International monitors rejected suggestions that the 2010 election had also been rigged.

Ousted as Prime Minister, she was convicted of abusing her powers during her time in office --- agreeing to a 2009 gas deal with Russia which was seen to have damaged Ukraine.

Yushenko testified against his former colleague in the trial, which he called a "normal judicial process".

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Tymoshenko on trial in October 2011 [Efrem Lukatsky/AP/Press Association Images]

What sparked the the new protests?

The Government had been working for years on a landmark trade deal with the EU which would have paved the way for the former Soviet nation to join the group, but Yanukovych backed out of signing the agreement last November.

It would have required Ukraine to adopt hundreds of EU laws, regulations and standards, along with a sweeping reform programme. In return, the agreement would have allowed for the abolition of visas for Ukrainian citizens, amongst other measures.

Ukrainian officials eventually admitted that the u-turn had resulted from Russian pressure. Moscow had threatened painful sanctions in order to keep the country from falling under further Western influence.

The decision led to a widening of the cracks between the country's pro-European western regions and its Russian-speaking industrial heartland, and tens of thousands of protesters took to the streets protesting the last-minute decision to back out of the deal.

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A demonstrator holds a torn portrait of Yanukovych at a 29 November rally [Sergei Grits/AP/Press Association Images]

Opposition leaders, including world boxing champion Vitali Klitschko, who has declared his bid to run for the presidency in 2015, said the Government had betrayed the people by balking after years of negotiations.

At the start of December, the country's three post-Soviet presidents, including Yushchenko, released a statement lending their support to the protest movement.

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Klitschko is attacked and sprayed with a fire extinguisher as he tries to stop clashes between police and protesters in central Kiev on Sunday [Efrem Lukatsky/AP/Press Association Images]

The failure of the deal also stemmed from Yanukovych's refusal to free Tymoshenko. The EU had been calling for her release as part of the agreement, but Tymoshenko herself later offered to drop her demands to be freed if the President went ahead with the agreement without linking her to it.

What are the opposition's demands?

The opposition had initially wanted see Yanukovych sign the so-called 'Association Agreement' and ensure Tymoshenko's release. But the President's failure to sign the deal, coupled with his harsh stance in recent months, has hardened those demands.

The three main opposition parties in parliament now want the President to step down and call snap elections. So far, Yanukovych has ignored them, meaning they'd have to wait until the country's next scheduled to go to the polls -- in March of next year.

Demonstrators with the 'Euromaidan' movement (as it has now come to be called) have been camped out in a 'tent city' in the centre of  Kiev since early December, with larger demonstrations, numbering between tens of thousands and up to 200,000 taking place on Sundays.

There were frequent clashes between demonstrators and police in November-December protests --- dozens were wounded on 30 November after riot police moved into Independence Square hitting protesters and pushing them away from the area.

The deaths this morning, however, are the first fatalities since the start of the opposition campaign.

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Protesters eat at their tent camp in the central Independence Square in Kiev [Ivan Sekretarev/AP/Press Association Images]

Why are the clashes intensifying now?

The political crisis reached a new phase last week after President Viktor Yanukovych pushed through harsh anti-protest legislation.

The new laws ban nearly all forms of protest in the former Soviet country --- they allow for jail terms of up to five years for those who blockade public buildings and the arrest of protesters wearing masks or helmets. Other provisions ban the spread of “slander” on the web.

Clashes since Sunday turned the the centre of Kiev into a veritable war zone as thousands of demonstrators battled with security forces, leading Russian authorities to declare yesterday that the situation was now "out of control". At least 50 activists had been arrested by yesterday afternoon.

The renewed violence followed a mass protest against the new restrictions on Sunday, attended by some 200,000 people. More than 100 protesters were wounded at the demo, with four people sustaining serious injuries to eyes and limbs.

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Protesters use fireworks during clashes with police in central Kiev last night [Evgeny Feldman/AP/Press Association Images]

The three main opposition leaders --- Klitschko, Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Oleg Tyagnybok --- were heckled by protesters on Sunday afternoon. Many are unhappy with what's seen as their lack of a clear plan of action on how to proceed, and the wider movement has radicalised in recent weeks as impatience grows with their performance.

The violence this morning broke out as police marched on barricades at Grushezsky Street shortly after 6am. Two activists were shot dead as clashes the clashes between police and demonstrators intensified. A third person was killed after falling from the top of the ceremonial entrance to the nearby Dynamo Kiev stadium.

The action was restricted to a small area around the street, several hundred metres from the main encampment at Independence Square.

(Youtube: Euronews)

The wider context: What's Russia's position been?

Vladimir Putin's previously described the break-up of the USSR as one of history's great tragedies, and wants to see the former Soviet states loosely realigned in a trade and military bloc led by Moscow.

Putin wants to build the alliance into an economic counterweight to the EU --- a dream all but impossible to achieve without Ukraine's involvement. He hinted last month that the protests had somehow been instigated by Western powers, calling them "pre-planned" and saying they "seem more like a pogrom than a revolution."

The Russian President opened his wallet just before Christmas in a bid to win the long-running battle --- agreeing a deal that would see Moscow buy €11 billion worth of Ukrainian government bonds and sharply cut the price of natural gas.

The agreement served to further anger protesters, who immediately accused Yanukovych of selling the country out to the Kremlin.

Speaking this morning, Russian foreign minster Sergei Lavrov urged other countries not to get involved in the situation, saying Moscow would prefer if European governments refrained "from acting unceremoniously over the Ukrainian crisis".

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Yanukovych and Putin signing agreements during a meeting in Moscow last year  [Alexei Nikolsky/Photas/Tass/Press Association Images]

How are today's events being seen in Europe and the US?

EU foreign police chief Catherine Ashton has urged "an immediate end" to the escalating violence, saying she strongly condemned "the violent escalation of events in Kiev overnight leading to casualties".

"The reported deaths of several protesters is a source of extreme worry."

Ashton said the use of force was not an answer to the political crisis, adding:

"All acts of violence must come to an immediate end and be swiftly investigated. Those responsible will have to be held to account."

Meanwhile, Washington is revoking the visas of "several Ukrainians who were linked to the violence".

"We are considering further action against those responsible for the current violence," the American embassy in Kiev said, adding that US  the people in question couldn't be named because their visa records were not part of the public domain.

The United States last week confirmed that sanctions against key officials were being discussed.

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An Orthodox priest prays as he stands between activists and police lines [Darko Vojinovic/AP/Press Association Images]

So where does that leave us?

The situation on the ground in Kiev shows no sign of improving in the short term --- hours after this morning's deaths, police launched a fresh assault on protesters, driving into the crowds using tear gas and stun grenades.

The protesters have been fighting back in intense clashes, with casualties being loaded into waiting ambulances.

So far, there has been no move by police against the main protest camp on Independence Square.

In the wake of this morning's deaths, European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso has warned that the EU will now assess "possible actions":

"We will continue to follow closely these developments as well as assessing possible actions by the European Union and consequences for our relations with that country."

President Yanukovich's office confirmed at midday that he had agreed to meet with the three main opposition leaders for talks on the ongoing crisis. The move comes just 24 hours after he shunned a meeting with Klitschko, who turned up for face-to-face talks yesterday, only to be met by aides.

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Klitschko and fellow opposition party leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk [Sergei Chuzavkov/AP/Press Association Images]

The recent clashes are the worst in Ukraines post-Soviet history, and experts have warned that the current events may be the beginning of a much larger crisis.

Writing yesterday, the BBC's correspondent in Kiev David Stern said it was possible conflict could move beyond its isolated location "especially if authorities decide to crack down".

The outcome of this afternoon's meeting between Yanukovych and the opposition leaders is being keenly anticipated on the streets of Kiev.

This is an updated version of an article originally posted on 7 December.

Read: Ukraine protesters take over mayor’s office and set up ‘Revolution HQ’

Also: Clashes rage as 100,000 Ukrainians protest in Kiev

Last month: Tens of thousands protest in Kiev over EU agreement delay

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    Sep 1st 2016, 8:50 PM

    Ahh yes..that’s the Donald we’ve come to know. So..2,000,000 in the first hour?..how? Flying them out?

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:32 PM

    He said begin moving them out on day one. 2 million illegal immigrants with criminal records should be deported. They would never have initially passed a background check at immigration when trying to get in. Considering the large amount of illegals that are incarcerated in the U.S at the taxpayers expense, it sounds like removing people that shouldn’t be there in the first place is a good idea.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:36 PM

    How could any American seeing Trump’s commanding presence and leadership in Mexico yesterday..and then hear that speech on how to accomplish securing the country. How could they still vote for a morally bankrupt, exhausted globalist Clinton?

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:46 PM

    Howdy headcases — Europe won’t be doing the same and Trump won’t be doing anything because he won’t be president.

    lolz

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:57 PM

    You sound angry and desperate Peter. Like someone who is losing bigly lolz

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:59 PM

    Well, I make two claims there and both are true. So I think it’s your who is desperate.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:00 PM

    By the way, thousands more migrants are arriving in Europe each day, and there is nothing you can do about it.

    You must feel so helpless.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:01 PM

    You are wrong and will be proven wrong on November 9th. Trump is going to be the next POTUS.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:12 PM

    PMSL

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:25 PM

    Clinton today. Every bit as bad as Trump. Probably worse:

    The United States is an exceptional nation. I believe we are still Lincoln’s last, best hope of Earth. We’re still Reagan’s shining city on a hill. We’re still Robert Kennedy’s great, unselfish, compassionate country.

    And it’s not just that we have the greatest military or that our economy is larger than any on Earth. It’s also the strength of our values, the strength of the American people. Everyone who works harder, dreams bigger and never, ever stops trying to make our country and the world a better place. And part of what makes America an exceptional nation, is that we are also an indispensable nation.

    We recognize America’s unique and unparalleled ability to be a force for peace and progress, a champion for freedom and opportunity. Our power comes with a responsibility to lead, humbly, thoughtfully, and with a fierce commitment to our values.

    LOLZ . And that’s not just at the opening line which refers to two Republican presidents LOLZ

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:31 PM

    Pissing yourself laughing, rolling around laughing, lolling, lolzing. Incontinence, bi polar and now some sort of tourettes. You’re a pharmacist’s wet dream Petr.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:39 PM

    Dain / Liam,

    Calm down pet.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:46 PM

    Good video here on all Hillary’s flip flops and much more
    https://youtu.be/a-xjiXfJ58Q

    The best outcome could be for Wikileaks to nail Hillary before the election and thus resurrecting Bernie who would then beat Trump.

    Hey, it’s America – anything is possible

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:49 PM

    True that Pádraig. Shillary is a vicious thug. Bernie would beat Trump. Bernie or bust.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:51 PM

    Open-Border Extremist Petr exposing how he revels in the suffering of European children as he sneeringly says:

    “By the way, thousands more migrants are arriving in Europe each day, and there is nothing you can do about it.

    You must feel so helpless.”

    Can you imagine if some white person said the same about whites flooding into some African country like Nigeria, committing rapes and murders, causing them to become a minority in their own country….and we laughed about it. What would the Open-Border Extremists say about that? Petr is an Open-Border Extremist and like all open-Border Extremists, they want to see Europeans destroyed.

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    list documents more than 160 instances of rape and sexual assault committed by migrants in train stations, swimming pools and other public places against victims as young as seven.
    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/cologne-is-every-day-europes-rape-epidemic/news-story/e2e618e17ad4400b5ed65045e65e141d

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:59 PM

    Petr I’ll speak your language with you don’t mind Dain. Lolz, PMSL, roflmao!! What’s you counter argument?

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 6:31 AM

    Donnie Trumpie is making me have similiar feelings as Petr ..LOL

    Donnie wants to do the EXACT same thing the Obama administration is doing now ..LOL

    Obama’s administration deported nearly 170,000 last year alone LOL

    And all of the Donnies on here are congratulating him ..LOL

    “Over the course of FY 2015, ICE has improved its ability to target individuals who threaten public safety and national security as demonstrated by the fact that 98 percent of individuals that ICE removed met ICE’s civil immigration enforcement priorities. As these revised enforcement priorities continue to take hold, and state and local cooperation increases, ICE expects continued progress in ensuring its resources are appropriately focused in keeping our nation safe and secure.”

    https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics

    Donnie is very nearly making me PMSL too …LOL

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 12:41 PM

    Lolling at all you fools who believe Trump who would sell his granny and yours to be the next POTUS. He doesn’t give a flying f about anybody but himself so you are all his wet dream!

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 5:08 PM

    “Shouldn’t be there in the first place”

    Can we start with all the white people then?

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    What a jerk. Completely alienating the Mexican administration. Hey Donald, explain how you are going to make Mexico pay for the wall? More BS talk from Trump.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:04 PM

    Read it again Jurgen. He said criminal immigrants. He’s dead right. We should be doing the same

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:18 PM

    It’s not just the immigrants with criminal records, it’s the targeting of Obama policies that help other undocumented immigrants. This article does not cover fully Trump’s claims.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:19 PM

    The journal deliberately took the quote out of context, as per usual. Journalistic standards and ethics are in the toilet over at Journal Towers.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:28 PM

    The reason the journal does that is for views, which in turn generates revenue

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:32 PM

    So Patrick, you agree with Jurgen, the full quote is worse

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:34 PM

    Full correct quote for those of us who care about fairness and accuracy in reporting: “According to federal data, there are at least 2 million criminal aliens now inside the country. We will begin moving them out day one, in joint operations with local, state and federal law enforcement. Beyond the 2 million, there are a vast number of additional criminal illegal immigrants who have fled or evaded justice. But their days on the run will soon be over. They go out, and they go out fast”

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:35 PM

    Yep, completely out of context. The Journal banks on people not listening to the full speech

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:45 PM

    Joe mc, he wants to remove all illegal immigrants. Go listen to his speech.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:48 PM

    Declan is actually right here for once. Trump is a disgusting bigot.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:18 PM

    Dublin. Listen again. He said criminal illegal immigrants,

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:41 PM

    @Petr

    “Trump is a disgusting bigot.”

    How?

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 6:40 AM

    Donnie Trumpie wants to do what the Obama administration is already doing … LOL

    This is brilliant stuff …LOL

    Round them all up ..LOL …”We know who you are and we’re coming for you NOW “..LOL

    “Hey you Mr/Mrs immigrant over there..you look like a criminal and everyone of you are coming with me ..” Lol

    But if anyone can work it out,it will be our special Donnie that will work it all out..LOL

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:19 PM

    Anone who thinks that illegals who break the law ought not be kicked out is sick and Americans are sick of that mushy mushy strata of society who want to mother-goose the bad boys. These mother-goosers are suckers and will bring down a nation faster than any external attack. Just look at France and Germany and Sweden and even the UK.
    Dump them out Donald!They will quickly be replaced by those who lined up according to the rules showing that they wont become disrespectful citizens and neighbours..

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:46 PM

    Wells said, The key word that everyone seem to gloss over is ILLEGAL. Last time I checked every other country in the world doesn’t allow illegal immigration. But because the US wants to clamp down on it everybody frowns upon it.

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 7:24 AM

    Trump is the biggest hypocrite. Models from his Modelling agency have all stated that they came to the US on tourist visas and worked ILLEGALLY. He doesn’t mind illegal immigrants that line his own pockets.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 8:49 PM

    Consistent Don does it again! Where are the naysayers who predicted a massive U-turn on his tough but fair approach to illegal immigration? Two YUGE campaign events yesterday, demonstrating his energy, stamina and determination to do what has to be done for the American people meanwhile Hillary Clinton will go into hiding for another 3 or 4 days after her latest brief public appearance.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:14 PM

    The tide is turning in this race, Trump has seized the momentum, the Hildabots can sense this…and they don’t like it one bit.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:29 PM

    Well said!

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:34 PM

    Dirty Donny lying about his discussion with an actual president was hilarious. The AmeriCAN’T met the MexiCAN

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:32 PM

    Dave give it a rest. Like him or not, Trump now sets the narrative that the media and you have been following with great interest.

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    This guy is such a clown I think he’s going to win

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 12:24 AM

    Jynx, last week you were saying the media were trying to ruin him now you’re saying he is setting the agenda, which is it?

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    The media are trying to ruin him. Trump is setting the agenda. They’re two different things Dave.

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 6:33 AM

    Tide or no tide he’s down nearly double digits in Colorado and Virginia. His path to 270 is nearly impossible. Maybe he turns some rustbelt states competitive with talk of mass deportations but he alienates moderates in a whole other set of states

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    Donald another fascist the world doesn’t need.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:12 PM

    Are Nigerians fascist if they want to keep Nigeria for the people of their country and not allowing mass-immigration?

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    White men are taking the world back for white men! Yay!

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:13 PM

    Like him more each day. Go Trump.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:08 PM

    Maybe he could make the Mexicans wear some sort of a symbol so that people would know what they are.

    Some sort of a gold star maybe.

    I really dont think it is too far a stretch to start comparing Trump to Hitler.

    This is history repeating itself.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:17 PM

    Real air of desperation in that feeble little post of yours.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:38 PM

    Hitler. Are you for real. While the Clintons are responsible for 2 and a half million deaths since its ridiculous foreign policy was introduced. . You should think again

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:13 PM

    So people are not allowed have their country for their people

    when did this start up?

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 12:58 PM

    Yeah give America back to the Indians and deport all the Europeans. Everyone is entitled to their own country. Oh you just meant white people?

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 2:08 AM

    Reading some of the comments on here it would seem that we have a lot people who are as stupid as those along the Bible belt of America.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:07 PM

    This fella is cracked

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    Sep 1st 2016, 8:53 PM

    Reminds me of Team America when your man said, ‘I will never die’… This time it’s real and it’s ‘you’ll build the wall’- and some actually think this is going well! FOL

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:05 PM

    Always indulge and play up to prejudices and bigotry is Trump’s approach to politics.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:49 PM

    Yes and the knuckle draggers love it. It will never win him an election though.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:54 PM

    Is enforcing border security prejudiced and bigotry?

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 6:43 AM

    There is a LOT less people crossing the border ..LOL

    Have ye ever actually looked at the statistics ..LOL

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:23 PM

    Mrs trump better start packing so…

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:56 PM

    because she is Mex…

    because she is an illeg..

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:13 PM

    Hopefully the rest of the world will treat Trump as an undesirable foreigner and confine him within the borders of the USA.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:15 PM

    Fear not…..with the US automotive industry moving south of the border for cheap labour…….it won’t be long before US citizens are climbing the new Trump wall for a better life in Mexico. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/06/15/auto-jobs-mexico/71224972/
    All thanks to NAFTA……lol

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:39 PM

    I think that’s the idea Al with Trump in charge Ford would have to stay in Detroit

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:08 PM

    Detroit is now a wasteland and bankrupt. NAFTA has made Canada the most sued nation on earth….US lawyers are cleaning up on behalf of US corps. The dollar is God….Trump will not interfere with his God.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:36 PM

    He is right, if we all done that, we wouldn’t have innocent people been killed.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:59 PM

    Well said Mick

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:30 PM

    Seriously. . The journal biased coverage off the American election is getting silly now …

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:32 PM

    He’s like the little mouthy kid we all knew in school. . Wouldn’t say booo to a mouse but when he’s out of swinging range from anyone it’s all “I’ll do this, I’ll do that.. ” How in the name of fluch have the ‘Murricanians not copped on to him yet

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:34 PM

    ‘Illegal immigrants with criminal records’
    Gonna be a lot of empty real estate in Florida next year once the Cubans have gone.
    Guys, why don’t we club together, organize a consortium and make a killing on the market.
    Cmon, payback time for Yankee imperialism.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:21 PM

    But what he doesnt realise is that without the mexicans doing all the cheap labour the US economy would have sunk by now. (This is also a little discussed reason for germany and other european countries to let in the immigrants as europe is in dire need of some cheap labour)

    Yes, you do have a problem with letting in a few people who cause trouble, but if youre looking to start blaming people for things most of the ‘illegal’ guns used for killing people in mexico are from the US. And the funds for running cartels comes from the average american buying drugs. The world is more interconnected than you think. If you can blame one people for all your problems then you definitely dont see the big picture.

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 12:46 AM

    No matter which side of the fence you’re on, this is all empty inflammatory vote seeking bullshit. Even if he does become president, he’ll u-turn on all this to maintain the approval ratings. That’s what politicians do, tell people what they want to hear & then never live up to it. It’s all about winning the election, not fulfilling promises.

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 2:49 AM

    Jimmy, can you explain why you believe Trump is a politician? or did you just write that to make yourself look intelligent?

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 12:46 PM

    Agree Jimmy I think he would shit himself if he won. He knows nothing about deportation, he would have divided America along the most racial lines and I can’t believe too many businesses would have faith in him. He would not make America great again.

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 1:37 PM

    I do believe the trying to become POTUS has certain political acetones to it Val. Ironic you displayed stupidity to question intelligence.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:37 PM

    He is right, if we all done that innocent life would not be taken so easy

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:59 PM

    Terrible comment Mick

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:32 PM

    Tired of hearing this clown’s guff. Clinton will be no better but she will win. Trump is simply a fool.

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    Sep 1st 2016, 8:55 PM

    Crazy world . 5/2 second fav

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    Sep 1st 2016, 9:14 PM

    Nobody remembers the runner up!

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 2:47 AM

    I have a substantial bet on him to win @ 3/1. In reality illegal aliens with criminal records and caught committing crime will be prioritised. He is a fantastic candidate, watch his rallies. Great diction and command of English. He has the establishment scared and Hillary hiding under the bed

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 6:44 AM

    LOL

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    Sep 1st 2016, 11:41 PM

    SEND A TIP TO THE AUTHOR PAUL …PAUL HERE A TIP DO MORE RESEARCH BE A REPORTER AND DON’T BE SO BIASES NEARLY TIME TO BOYCOTT THE JOURNAL FOR UNFAIR REPORTING

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    Sep 1st 2016, 8:56 PM

    whack the donata

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 9:11 AM

    The Washington Post has a very thought-provoking editorial about the un-American demagogue,liar and hatemonger Trump. Rather than posting a link, I’ll cut and paste it in full: Trump doubles down on his illogical, un-American immigration plans

    By Editorial Board September 1 at 7:23 PM
    IT’S USEFUL that Donald Trump has clarified his plans for Larissa Martinez, who started classes this week as a freshman at Yale University, having graduated in the spring as class valedictorian at her Texas high school. After weeks of waffling, and suggestions that his views on immigration might be “softening,” Mr. Trump has set the record straight: Ms. Martinez has no future in America.

    The recipient of a full scholarship to Yale, Ms. Martinez is hoping for a career as a neurosurgeon. As it happens, she’s also a top-notch student, a compelling public speaker and, according to Mr. Trump’s policy, a high priority for deportation.

    Discarding his dalliance with fairness and compassion, the Republican presidential nominee this week tossed red meat to the xenophobes in his base by reaffirming his intention to launch a crusade of mass deportations that would target, according to an analysis by The Post, at least 6 million people. Among them, he said, would be immigrants who have overstayed their visas. That category would sweep up Ms. Martinez, who, at age 13, accompanied her mother and sister to the United States on a tourist visa; they stayed after the visa expired, having fled an abusive home in Mexico.

    Of course, there is no place in Mr. Trump’s cramped mental universe for someone like Ms. Martinez. To Mr. Trump and the crowds who egg him on, undocumented immigrants are criminals, murderers, rapists, carriers of disease and drug smugglers, fit to be rounded up by deportation agents and shipped far, far away.

    Just why Mr. Trump would prioritize visa-overstayers for deportation, and not those who entered the country illegally in the first place, is unexplained. Logic is hardly the point of his policy. He asserts that illegal immigrants have stolen jobs from Americans and triggered a crime wave. In fact, they have met a labor market demand for low-wage workers and been a catalyst for economic growth.

    While there are undoubtedly instances of terrible crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants — as there are by authorized immigrants, and green card holders, and, it goes without saying, citizens — they are hardly the rule. In fact, young immigrant males are incarcerated at roughly half the rate of native-born Americans. Illegal immigrants, like legal ones, are generally law-abiding and extremely hard-working.

    To the GOP nominee, illegal immigrants are a useful instrument with which to whip his supporters into a froth of nativist agitation. He would hire thousands more immigration and Border Patrol agents; he would create a “special deportation task force”; he would round up the criminals whose countries refuse to accept them. He would do it all on Day One, in the first hour, the first minute, in the first fleeting seconds of his administration — by fiat, presumably, because he makes no reference to Congress or legality or judicial precedent. It will all be so fast, so beautiful, so efficient. Believe him.

    The self-contained imposter who called briefly on Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto on Wednesday was masquerading as Donald Trump. In fact, the real Mr. Trump is the man who has been on television all these months, playing on hatred and fear, threatening people such as Ms. Martinez, who represent American values more truly than Mr. Trump ever could.

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 9:55 AM

    Trump’s ludicrous ‘deport em all’ plan has a measly 17% approval rating, with the vast majority supporting natualisation rather than deportation. His rhetoric is just to gain cheers from his core supporters, who are a bunch of ill-informed, right-wing racists. They’re either too dumb or willfully ignorant of the fact that immigration into the states from Mexico is actually down. Last year, there were more Mexicans leaving the States than entering. But just so long as they have their racism legitimised, they’ll keep cheering, and Trump will keep lapping it up. He has no plan. He is just a gas bag moron.

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 12:03 AM

    Trump doesn’t live in the real world. I’m not against evicting illegal immigrants who have criminal records, but this idiot apparently hasn’t contemplated the issue of all their relatives including children, baby mamas, wives, grandparents of the ones with criminal records.
    Also he is playing with fire… The Mexican gangs can get to just about anyone. I believe they’ve had Texas judges assassinated.

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 3:27 AM

    Dave, you know Trump is just a blow hard, they don’t have the money to carry all that out…

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 10:39 AM

    Dave. No gang can get to just about anyone, if the state is strong and the people support the state and the police are given the resources to take them on, they will be crushed. If Trump wins he will crush them.

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 2:05 AM

    Trump parades about like he is “Cock of the Walk”, when the nearest he will get to actually being that, is walking about under the “Cock of Hay” on his head.
    Cock-A-Doodle,

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 8:51 AM

    He’s a complete idiot. And so are the people who support him and his warped ideology.

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 8:20 AM

    Aren’t all Americans of European or African ‘stock’ illegal immigrants, or descendants of such immigrants?

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 8:55 AM

    The SJW’s are in for a big shock

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    Sep 1st 2016, 10:39 PM

    I feel a fatwa coming on

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 3:28 AM

    Give it 2 flushes then…

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 10:37 AM

    The polls are tightening in Trump’s favour, 18 % ahead in West Virginia.

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 1:44 PM

    Invasion of Iraq based on lies, killing Gaddafi because he was setting up an alternative currency to the dollar. Death mayhem and the rise of ISIS. Handing 20% of America’s Uranium to Russia in return for them paying 700,000 dollars to Bill Clinton as a speaking fee.

    Still she leads in the polls. We could be in serious trouble and the EU will come to take your sons to war.

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    Sep 3rd 2016, 5:11 AM

    Bill only got a bl@w job, but Hilary will fcuk the whole country.

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    Sep 3rd 2016, 10:20 AM

    You want to read the FBI report into the latest Hillary e mails, Unbelievable

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 7:18 AM

    Somewhere between Trump Style and Kenny style lies a brilliant leader

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 3:19 AM

    Hillary and Trump prove that they act like bullies and say things they know will get support by telling nutcases what they want to hear and that will get their vote because they are agreeing with the nutcases by telling them that they are right in what they believe. Trump with immigrants and Hillary on UFO’s and so on…
    The second best thing bullies do is to make others believe their sack of sh…

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 3:22 AM

    The winner will be the biggest a…hole with the greatest a…holes supporting them. That is how this election will be won as the normal folk are sick and tired of them and also really hate both of them…

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    Sep 4th 2016, 3:57 AM

    Good stuff

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    Sep 2nd 2016, 10:11 PM

    One how many Irish are living illegally in America and have criminal records? The story doesn’t mention Mexicans specifically.

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