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Guantanamo Bay prison cells. Tom Clonan/Liberties Press

Extract ‘Soldiers have an affinity with the detainees in Guantanamo. It would be bad to shoot them – it’ll be lethal injection’

The new book, Whistleblower, Soldier, Spy, charts Tom Clonan’s progression from soldier to academic and journalist and offers an honest and vivid account of life on and off duty.
Camp Echo, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, October 2005

IT SOUNDS INCONGRUOUS as the rising sun bears down on the massive stars and stripes flying next to the steel ring-fence that surrounds Camp Echo.

Camp Echo is markedly different from the single-storey steel and concrete cell blocks of Camp Delta. Architecturally, the newly built facility is ultra modern. Sheila tells me that it is modelled on Miami County Prison, Indiana.

It is a fully automated, fully air-conditioned, all bells and whistles, state-of-the-art maximum-security prison. ‘It incorporates,’ Jim proudly announces, ‘the very best features of the most secure lock-down facilities in the United States.’ It is a frightening, forbidding building and is alien in almost every respect. It is space-age for certain. Like something out of a science fiction nightmare.

Sheila tells me that Echo holds around 16 percent of Guantanamo’s prison population. She tells me that there is a mix of compliant and non-compliant detainees. What marks them out from their peers in the rest of the camp is their perceived intelligence value. Jim pipes up that some of them are on suicide watch. Sheila and Helen glower at him. He fails to notice and jabs at bits of Egg McMuffin with his toothpick. I’m taking notes as we go.

A brooding building

A marine opens the Sally Port in the perimeter fence and we approach the brooding building. The prison looks permanent. It does not have the transitional ‘internment camp’ feel that Camp Delta possesses. Camp Echo has been built with the medium- to long-term future in mind. We are met by a young lieutenant who shows us around. The front entrance is monitored electronically and opens automatically.

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Tom Clonan at Camp Delta.

There are four wings within the prison, each capable of holding twenty-four prisoners.
Each cell is painted white and has its own slit window permitting natural light to enter. They are each equipped with a bed, stainless steel sink and toilet. Camp 5 has an eerie feel to it – a sterile, sanitised building with security doors that crash shut.

At the centre of the building behind one-way plate glass windows, a central control room monitors each cell remotely. The prisoners are under surveillance constantly, 24/7. There are multiple microphones in each room.

The stillness within the airless chambers of the prison give it a tomb-like quality. The prisoners detained within it, for an indeterminate period, seem to me like the living dead. As a tropical thunderstorm rages outside Camp 5, the thunder is barely audible.

Camp Echo has been suitably named; our footsteps reverberate around the artificial space. The entire complex has an air of permanency about it that fills me with foreboding as to the future
of Guantanamo Bay. The massive investment in this facility along with the fact that it is, as yet, only half-full of prisoners deemed to be of high intelligence value to the USA seem to indicate that Guantanamo will be in operation for some years to come.

Interview room

The marine lieutenant is keen to show me an interview room. ‘I believe you asked Captain Edmondson about our interrogation techniques yesterday?’ he enquires. ‘Let me show you a typical interrogation suite. Note, there is no bare light bulb or two-way glass wall, like in the TV cop shows.’ He laughs as a door buzzes open before us. The room, like the cells is painted white. It is carpeted.

Sitting in the middle of the room – somewhat unexpectedly in this mausoleum-like structure – is aregular couch, of the type I have at home in my own living room. It is even the same colour. ‘See?’ says Jim. ‘Real home comforts. Don’t think I’d be sitting on something like that if Al Qaeda ever got me.’

I ask if I can take photographs. Helen and Sheila tell me that it is better if they take the shots so as not to inadvertently include any detail that is prohibited. While Sheila takes some shots of the couch, I notice a stainless steel ring on the floor. I squat down and pull at it. It is firmly anchored to the reinforced concrete floor underneath. The lieutenant explains. ‘That’s where we shackle the detainees.’ He roots around under the couch and pulls out a stainless steel chain and a set of leg irons and handcuffs. ‘See, this is how we restrain ’em.’

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Guantanamo Bay prison cells.

I’ve seen enough. My blood runs cold at the sight of these restraints in this room. Next to that couch. On that carpet. It seems obscene to me.

The sick bay

We leave this sad room and continue down the hall. I look to my left and notice a room that is being worked on by some plumbers and electricians. It looks like an operating theatre. ‘Oh, that’s a sick bay,’ the lieutenant tells me. I stop and everyone comes to a halt.

I ask Sheila if they will execute any of the detainees. Sheila tells me that it is impossible to answer that question in advance of the deliberations of their court martial system, which is underway despite legal appeals in the US civil courts.

‘So, you’re not ruling it out then?’ I ask. Sheila looks exasperated, and Captain Jim decides to help her out.

‘Y’see Tom, this isn’t Nuremberg. We’re not going to hang people here, for like, war crimes and such.’ I remark that I’m relieved to hear it. Jim is undaunted. ‘Y’see Tom, believe it or not, the American people believe that hanging is a cruel and unusual punishment.’ Helen and Sheila
look anxious to move on.

‘Can’t shoot’em’

Sheila looks at her watch. Jim keeps going.

‘And we can’t shoot ’em either.’ ‘Why not?’ I ask him. ‘Because, believe it or not, some of our young soldiers and sailors here build up an affinity with the detainees. So it would be bad for morale to shoot them.’ Captain Jim is ready for his finale. He inclines his head at the sick bay and announces, ‘That’s why it’ll probably be by lethal injection. The way we do it stateside.’

I am writing furiously. In a rare moment, Helen speaks. ‘I think it’s time we went over to see the general.’

I’ve been promised an on-the-record interview with the general in charge of the facility. We drive – in silence – over to his headquarters building. We are shown into the major general’s office by a Colonel Stack. Colonel Stack is a tall black man who looks not unlike Sidney Poitier. He grips my hand firmly and tells me, in a very soft-spoken voice, that he has something he wants to discuss with me after my interview with the general.

The general enters the room. Major General Jay Hood. Everyone stands. Myself included. An old military habit I suppose. The general seems pleased and invites me to sit. I ask him, given the investment in Guantanamo, and given the negative public profile it attracts, on a cost-benefit analysis, how the US military is benefitting from the existence of the camp. The general lets out a long sigh.

‘Twofold. One. Some very dangerous men associated with Al Qaeda and other related terrorist organisations are not free to come back at us on the battlefield. So, first off, this is the safe detention of detainees focused on preventing attack, preventing terrorist action by some of the men we’re holding, against the United States.’

Al Qaeda

The general continues. ‘The second thing is the gathering of intelligence. There are still significant pieces of information that we continue to learn about Al Qaeda and some of its key operatives. We know now how they recruit, train and compartmentalise its command and control. We also know how it funds and finances itself. We’re still filling in all sorts of small pieces of intelligence into a giant, international mosaic and we’re making progress. The intelligence value is less tactical and more strategic in nature.’

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‘Every single detainee here at GTMO Bay is under my control and any actions involving them are in accordance with DOD Directives at all times,’ he said. I ask him if he can guarantee that. ‘Absolutely. Unequivocally.’

I ask him then if the fact that the prisoners have no exit date and no release date does not constitute a cruel and unusual punishment. The general is less clear. ‘You’re asking me to speculate what’s in their minds . . . I don’t think I’m qualified to do that. What I would point out though . . . It’s not clear when the Global War on Terror will end.’

Incarceration

I ask him then if the incarceration of the prisoners could be indefinite. The general is preparing now to leave. He has a busy schedule. ‘That’s a matter very much for the policy makers.

What I can tell you is that I’ve asked my young soldiers and sailors to focus on their jobs as well as they possibly can and in a professional manner. That’s what will lead us to success and over time we will be able to show folks in the US and in fact around the world in the international community that we intend to do this job properly. For as long as it takes.’

The general stands up and shakes my hand. He almost pulls my arm out of its socket. He retains his grip and looks me in the eye. ‘Tom. While you are here on Guantanamo, you’re my guest. If you have any doubts about the program or the dignity or safety of the detainees, call me. Colonel Stack will give you my cellphone. Call me if you have any questions. Even if it’s at 4 am. And if you want me to open any door on this facility. I mean, literally, any door. Call me and I’ll come open it.’ And with that, the general is gone.

Colonel Stack invites me outside onto the porch for an orange juice. ‘You were in the service I hear.’ I nod. Colonel Stack nods gravely. He tells me that he has traced his cousins online and has made email contact. ‘I’m going home to Wexford next year, Tom, for a visit.’ I wish him well and he tells me.

‘Look, the general is a good man. What he really means is that he is determined that what we do here saves lives on the battlefield. No one wants another 9/11 Tom. You’ve gotta understand that.’ I make a note.

Trial

The next morning, over a coffee, Sheila tells me that she has swung it for me to attend an ‘Administrative Review Board’ or ARB. This is a quasi-legal process conducted by the US military in order to ascertain if a detainee should be sent forward for court martial. A sort of pretrial hearing. The prisoner in question is ‘compliant’ but believed to be personally very close to Osama Bin Laden.

According to Captain Salsman, for ‘security reasons and in order to protect valuable intelligence sources’, detainees at Guantanamo, on average, only get to hear around 20 percent of the charges or allegations made against them. Again, I’m not inspired.

We enter the room where the ARB is to be held. ‘Hassan’ – the detainee in question – is seated beside an interpreter. He is a ‘compliant’ prisoner dressed in a tan uniform. Hassan is not his real name. I am directed by Sheila and Helen to use the alias ‘Hassan’ when writing about this detainee.

Though aged thirty-one, Hassan looks to be in his mid-twenties. He is of average height and of slight build. He is bearded with braided hair and is shackled at the ankles and wrists. He is attached by a chain to a metal ring that has been embedded in the floor. As we enter he tries to stand. The chain, however, is too short to allow him to stand fully upright. He loses his balance and, unable to move his arms or legs, falls heavily to one side.

Prisoner

An air force colonel seated next to him embraces him in an attempt to break his fall. He holds him in a bear-hug and lifts him back into his seat. It is an uncomfortable moment. Enemies held in an intimate embrace. The colonel in charge of the ARB asks him through the interpreter if he is OK and reassures him that it is not necessary to stand up.

The officers take an oath in English to discharge their duties to the best of their abilities. The detainee takes an Islamic oath in Arabic. The detainee is then asked through the interpreter if it is true that he attended a Saudi training camp in Pakistan where he learned to fire a Kalashnikov AK-47 assault rifle. Hassan answers the panel in English and, looking directly at me, says, ‘Yes, I did – do I look like Rambo to you?’ Everyone, including the detainee, breaks into laughter.

‘I have told my interrogators time and time again, maybe six hundred times these things are not true.’ The chairman of the ARB assures the detainee that his observations will be noted ‘for the record’.

Addressing the Irish-American colonel who is chairing the ARB, he states in English, ‘You are a very senior officer and an educated man, you can see that I am not a threat to the USA, I am not a threat to anyone.’ Looking around at everyone in the room then and in a barely audible voice, Hassan states, ‘I just want to go home and see my daughter. I want to make a new life, a new start, be with my family.’ The board concludes its business.

On my last evening in GTMO, Sheila, Jim and Helen conduct the Security Review Panel. They scan my laptop and camera. All is acceptable it seems.

For my part, the least I can do for the detainees is to publish the on-the-record intention of the United States to execute prisoners. I am the first journalist to wring this admission from GTMO officials. I am also the first journalist to get the US military to admit openly to the force-feeding of detainees on hunger strike. I hope and trust that these admissions will hasten the demise of Camps Delta and Echo on Guantanamo Bay.

Tom Clonan served as an Irish Army Officer from 1989 to 2000. He is Security Analyst with the Irish Times, where he provides in-depth defence and military analysis of fast-moving international events. He also provides expert military and security analysis to RTÉ television and radio, and international broadcasters including the BBC and Sky News. His first book, Blood, Sweat and Tears, was published in 2012 by Liberties Press.

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    Mute Vlad the Impaler
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    Aug 21st 2017, 12:28 PM

    Oh ya just a lone wolf, what’s a small minority of 2 billion who desperately crave sanctuary on our shores and then want to create havoc for the good people that live in Europe and want to welcome people from many countries and help them fit in.
    Islam should never be allowed take over. Enough is enough. Religion should be private and not in our faces.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 1:59 PM

    @Vlad the Impaler: i agree 100% its like Nazism and should be treated the same way.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:14 PM

    @Vlad the Impaler: “Islam should never be allowed take over.” Currently at 6% of Europes population, so I wouldn’t get worried yet. Still though, I just can’t get this idea that islam is a threat to the nuclear-powered, armed to the teeth Europe, population 500m, centuries and centuries of political, religious and cultural development etc etc . . . I don’t get it at all . . .

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:22 PM

    @Neil Mcdonough: Proud of your ignorance are you? Islam is in it for the long haul mate. I’m worried for my kids and grandkids more so than myself.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:31 PM

    Would you say you’re worried about the existence of your people and a future for white children, Liam?

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:34 PM

    @Remy: hypocrisy at its finest

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:35 PM

    @JayK: No I wouldn’t say that. I don’t care what colour someone is, it tells you absolutely nothing about their character. Islam is not a race, it is a cult. Do you understand the difference?

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:06 PM

    @Neil Mcdonough: yes but it is so horrifying to think what the small minority are called of doing. The world is a scary place right now and this medieval religion will never be updated and until then there is always going to be innocent people and sadly children that will be ploughed all for the sake of a man who had an eight year old wife.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:27 PM

    @Fake Avast: Also don’t forget, only one of those kids was killed on purpose. I’m not saying one’s life is worth less, I’ll leave that up to the media to do.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:41 PM

    @Fake Avast: there’s also the fact that one has known family who may not want the picture published. But I do see your point

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    Aug 21st 2017, 5:07 PM

    @Fake Avast: Did you get that family’s consent before needlessly reposting that picture which you just have easily have described to us using your words?

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    Aug 21st 2017, 6:05 PM

    @Neal Ireland Hello.: Triggered

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    Aug 22nd 2017, 12:32 PM

    @Vlad the Impaler: I agree, but unfortunately it’s the elected politicians who are allowing them in, look at Germany, Canada ,England,etc. Crowds of do gooders ,cheering and clapping at rail stations, then see the results. What angers me most is when I express my fears , I am branded an “islamophobe” .which is a bit silly really when you think that a phobia is a fear , and yes, I am afraid.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 12:56 PM

    So people knew this so called holy man created this terror cell. Why didnt they inform the authorities. There is plenty of support for these jihadi’s within the Muslim populations of Europe. As conservative estimate by the CIA reckons that 5% of muslims support the actions of ISIS. Thats only 90 million we have to worry about.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 1:15 PM

    @Joe Ryan: it’s far higher than that. Estimates are now over 800 million who believe suicide bombings are justified and revenge rape is grand.

    Have a look – https://youtu.be/g7TAAw3oQvg

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:16 PM

    @Joe Ryan: “Thats only 90 million we have to worry about.” Not really, because those 90m are probably dispersed over the entire world. Just sayin . . .

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:37 PM

    @Neil Mcdonough: What an absurd “argument”. Because the issue is spread globally, we should be less concerned? Do you know how stupid that sounds..

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:43 PM

    @Neil Mcdonough: there are 4 million Irish and yet u could go to any country and meet an Irish person so you are 25 times more likely to meet a Muslim terrorist or supporter. That’s your logic at work …. Just sayin

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:50 PM

    @johnp: that 4 million Irish is nonsense. 36 million Americans claim Irish as their primary ethnicity while 10% of the British population has one Irish grandparent.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 4:01 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: don’t be such a dope the May have Irish ancestry but are American citizens unless you are claiming there are over 100 million Irish in the world

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    Aug 21st 2017, 4:41 PM

    @johnp: anybody with an Irish born grandparent qualifies and it’s roughly 80 million.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 5:30 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: so there not home grown Islamic terrorists then all these animals they r actually all from the Islamic world by your logic that is

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    Aug 21st 2017, 6:00 PM

    @johnp: You understand the difference between place of birth and nationality right?

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    Aug 21st 2017, 6:36 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: oh I do but you are very confused or rubbish at trolling

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    Aug 21st 2017, 6:55 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: you don’t understand either. There’s nearly 2 million Irish people in the 6 counties you’ve left off your headcount

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    Aug 21st 2017, 7:01 PM

    @Paul Devlin: did I leave them out or was I focusing on people not born on this island?

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    Aug 21st 2017, 12:46 PM

    His Mosque should be bulldozed to the ground! He knew which of his flock were extremists!

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    Aug 21st 2017, 12:58 PM

    @Mac Ready: Aren’t those two images just sickening.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 1:14 PM

    @Mac Ready: all attending that gaff,knew what was preached there,and did nothing to stop their Adolf preach evil

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    @B9xiRspG: Demonic

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    Aug 21st 2017, 12:25 PM

    If only this Imam had known more about Islam, he would’ve known that it doesn’t condone or encourage this behaviour…. #educateimamsonislam

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    Aug 21st 2017, 12:45 PM

    @Lara Croft: I think you need to read a dictionary dear… start with “S”, for sarcasm.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 12:45 PM

    @Lara Croft: the truth of the matter is that if any other book was to advocate violence and hatred in the same way as many of the “holy books”, they would be banned and certainly not allowed in schools to indoctrinate the minds of children.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 1:56 PM

    @Lara Croft: Strange days indeed. Most peculiar momma.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 1:06 PM

    Why wasn’t the public warned that a house had exploded when bombs were being prepared for attacks the Night Before in Barcelona?
    Why not alert the public that a group of bomb makers had escaped and were armed and dangerous in Barcelona?
    Surely this would have helped prevent the awful carnage that occurred the next day!
    I don’t understand.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 1:24 PM

    @Brendan McLaughlin: They claim they thought it was a gas explosion. I’m calling BS on that. Some rudimentary investigation would throw up suspicions. Who’s renting the house, what are their connections, are there gas appliances in the house, why did they have over 100 gas bottles, is there residue from explosive materials etc…. All of this could have been assertained within a few hours, if not minutes. Police have a history of trying to cover up this stuff i.e Rotherham, Cologne, constant dubious claims of “mental issues”.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:10 PM

    @Brendan McLaughlin:
    The explosion was in Alcanar, which is over 100km frrom Barcelona. Even if authorities knew it was a terrorist own-goal and not a gas explosion (I’d be inclined to agree with Liam on that one) they would have no reason to link it to Barcelona, or even to believe that another attack was imminent.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:27 PM

    @Avina Laaf: nah. If a bomb factory was discovered in Manchester and 6 bomb makers were on the run then police and the public in London would have been warned of imminent attacks.
    6 extremists escaping a bomb factory should indicate the likelihood of imminent attacks in the following hours and in this case, following day.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:31 PM

    @Liam flag: agreed. Daily Express had front page story on imminent attacks on 22 May 2017. Story specifically named Barcelona and showed a photo of Las Rambles packed with tourists!

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    Aug 21st 2017, 4:25 PM

    @Brendan McLaughlin:
    How would they know there were any bomb makers on the run?? There were three bodies in the rubble and it may have been assumed that the entire cell just wiped itself out.
    Either way, just because they scored a spectacular own-goal wouldn’t automatically lead you to believe that they were going to launch an immediate attack instead of lying low and regrouping.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 1:56 PM

    Those saying “It has nothing to do with Islam” will no doubt continue with the same tired dogma despite all the evidence.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 4:51 PM

    @AR Devine: Check out some of David Woods’ stuff on YouTube. Extremely informative, well researched and cited. Three stages of jihad is a particularly sobering video.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 7:16 PM

    @AR Devine: As you say: “import more extremists and get more extremism”. Well thought out pieces.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 7:33 PM

    @Liam flag: Will do. Thanks

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    Aug 21st 2017, 7:33 PM

    @Mike: cheers

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    Aug 22nd 2017, 12:07 AM

    @AR Devine: When the author blamed the left, quite early on, I stopped reading. More tripe. Blame the left. Fkin clown.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:21 PM

    It’s a very simple Mathmetical equation. Import more extremism and you will get more extremist attacks. Im pro-immigration but immigration from countries where extremism is rife needs to be limited & highly regulated. However, the horse seems to have bolted on this some time ago.

    https://areomagazine.com/2017/08/18/after-barcelona-let-the-denial-and-excuses-begin/

    https://ardevine.blogspot.ie/2017/08/the-first-step-in-fighting-barbarity-is.html?m=1

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    Aug 21st 2017, 2:46 PM

    @AR Devine: Great site you’ve built there. We need people like you to get into politics. Keep up the good work.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:24 PM

    @Liam flag: Thanks Liam

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    Aug 21st 2017, 4:00 PM

    @AR Devine: Just read your 2 articles and you are saying what I feel. Sometimes, because of my frustration I come across a bit strong. I know a lot of these Muslim countries because I have been in them during my working life. I was in fact in Somalia on 9/11 and we had to secretly depart the country because of the “celebrations” that were ongoing! Other mates of mine had witnessed similar carry on in other Muslim countries that awful day. I recall Henry Kissinger warning about Islamic expansionism way back in the early 70′s, don’t think anybody listened. I know you mentioned “Moderate Muslims” but in my experience they are few and far between. As Erdogan said you are either a Muslim or you are not. Islam is a cult and the more you read about it, it’s Prophet and it’s Quran and Hadith the more “cautious” you become! Those books I mentioned are to me what cause radicalization. The message in those books sits there inside the mind of all Muslims but particularly males! They are like recovering alcoholics and all it needs is the right event to occur to push them back to the bar and to carry out what those books tell them it is ok to do. And when you do it you will be permitted to enter Paradise. Islam to me seems like a place that attracts malcontents and people who bear grudges against society. In Islam they are told they can go out and get what they want and if that means killing then that’s ok because it is for Allah and His Prophet. And when you win the battle you can take war booty in the form of property, women & children slaves to do with as you like. I think we have enough Muslims in Europe as it is. We need to start finding out who these new arrivals are. Their history is to obtain critical mass in numbers and then impose their culture on the “others”. We need to be on our guard but unfortunately we have misguided “traitors” in our midst and they are intent in opening the door even wider.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:15 PM

    @Paul Fahey: Mr Fahey where for example in the Christian New Testament does it advocate violence and hatred? When did the Christian Messiah ever advocate violence and hatred? If we compare the New Testament against The Quran the difference is obvious. When you compare the preaching’s of Muhammad against that of the Jesus the difference is also obvious. The Quran-Muhammad equals hate, violence, mass murder, misogyny, gynophobia wife beating, murder apostates, narcissism, Antisemitism (kill The Jews), slavery, pedophilia etc etc. Bible-Jesus equals love, turning the other cheek, taking care of everyone, understanding, social justice, etc also good positive stuff, bit of a lefty really! And before you rant off about what members of the Christian Church have done let me just set you straight, nowhere in the Christian New Testament does it advocate pedophilia, murder or anything else. Whereas, The Quran did and still does advocate all those things I listed above. So the flock of this political ideology posing as a religious one are just following the instructions as laid down by their prophet in the Quran. This was not a perfect man he was dwarf of a man who suffered from multiple personality disorders including OCD, schizophrenia ,the Messiah and God complexes just like Hitler did. Do you know why he hates the Jews so much because in his early days he considered his cult to be a Judaism sect. He pointed out the direction and told his followers to pray towards the Jewish holy site (can’t remember it’s name). The Jews laughed at him because he got the direction totally wrong. From that moment on he hated the Jews and then instructed his followers to pray towards Mecca. He then followed that up by murdering 800 Jewish men in Medina, the women were sent into sexual slavery and the children were used for whatever you are having yourself. Don’t know of any historical report of the Christian Messiah hurting or killing anyone?

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:15 PM

    @Warthog: By the way I am an atheist .

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:59 PM

    @Warthog: why would you just ignore the entire first half of the book though? You know the part where he kills everyone. Moses killing everyone when he comes down the mountain. If you want to compare the books compare them in their entirety

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    Aug 21st 2017, 4:12 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: Listen you Tony Daly clone, you made a stupid remark the other day about Catholics killing people because they didn’t go to Sunday mass. Nowhere is that advocated in Old or New Testaments. Only someone who is not even Irish would make that assertion. The Muslim working manual today advocates hate & violence and you as a Muslim know that. BTW the old Testament as you may also know has been abrogated by the New Testament. That bit about coming down the mountain (Kathy Daly) is about Moses nowhere does he tell his followers to go out and kill maime etc for his God. Your schizo dwarf demands followers to murder apostates, Jews, stone women to death etc etc. As to comparing books I would much rather compare the men Muhammad v Jesus.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 4:45 PM

    @Warthog: oh you mean exodus 31:14, look at my previous comment again, I said to work on the sabbath is punishable by death according to the Old Testament. Look at you, so wound up over something you have no idea about. PS Irish born and raised, why does nationality matter to you though?

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    Aug 21st 2017, 4:52 PM

    @Warthog: As for Moses, Exodus 32:28 says the Levites did as he said and 3,000 men were killed. I am in no way sticking up for the Quran. Having answers to my questions strengthens your argument but as soon as you lie and omit you lose any chance of persuading anyone. PS I’m an atheist too. They’re all a steaming pile of sh!t.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 9:48 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: Debate the men involved if you dare? You are no more Irish than the man in the moon. Clonskeagh keyboard warrior more like it. Glad you have come out and let us all know who you really are. Islamist through and through.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:26 PM

    He wasn’t solitary enough if you ask me.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 1:49 PM

    Round up all of his family and friends and boot them out of Europe. Make an example of those hiding and saying nothing about these terrorists. You will soon see a change in the silent Muslims who want the free sh*t, safety and comfortable life the taxpayers of Europe give them.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:18 PM

    @KingBen: his dog was born in Europe so he is home grown

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:36 PM

    @Alt Left: dogs can be put down.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:40 PM

    @Alt Left: Dogs are Haram

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:12 PM

    It’s not the Muslim religion they say it’s nothing to do with Islam they say ? But the guy teaching the religion is a terrorist ! And he is not the only one,just youtube about them in England.The whole lot of them are against us

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:43 PM

    @Alt Left: Mate, the alt left is antifa, blm, bamn
    … all those communist/identitarian gimps. You’re username does not match up with your groups sentiments in the slightest. Just fyi

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    Aug 21st 2017, 4:01 PM

    @Alt Left: if 1.6 billion people were against us we’d be dead. Simple fact is that it clearly isn’t all Muslims because guess what, ISIS kills more Muslims than none Muslims. Fundamentalists should be killed like the dogs that they are.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 4:16 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: It’s not 1.6 billion it’s about the 600 odd million healthy males that we should be worrying about. Because the females have no say in the running of the Political ideology know as Islam nor do the Children.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 4:57 PM

    @Warthog: so why are they killing each other if they’re all united against us?

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    Aug 21st 2017, 5:15 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe:

    “if 1.6 billion people were against us we’d be dead’, How so? and who’s us, the remaining billions on earth? If you know your history then you’d know of past Islamic conquests and their failures. The Islamic world was founded on war, conquest and subjugation, IS kill other Muslims because they consider them not the right kind of Muslims, IS emulate their founder as best they can, their actions are testament.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 6:02 PM

    @Remy: so you agree then. It’s not all Muslims.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 6:12 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: God you’re a fucķing idiot. Nobody says it’s all Muslims. Feck sake dave, change the record son.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 7:03 PM

    @Liam flag: see alt left’s comments “the whole lot of them are against us”

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    Aug 21st 2017, 9:59 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: Who is the “THEY” in your statement? From what I have read they have been killing each other and everybody else since Muhammad had his so called gibberings with Jibrel. It’s a made up ideology. He had OCD and he even micromanaged his followers down to how they cleaned their anus! For crying out loud. He had a obsession about odd and even numbers particularly 3 and 7. He plagiarized the 7 from the Jews. He had his followers drinking sewage water. He had them drinking water from the ZamZam well which is poisonous. He told them that if they ate 7 dates in the morning they would not get an infection. The guy was a nutter. Its like talking to a plank talking to you guys. He was a fraud the religion is not a religion it is a cult for nutters and an expansionist political one at that. Wasting my time talking to idiots like you, as you and others like you appear to have been radicalized yourselves.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 5:09 PM

    There are many verses in the Koran which offer practical advice ,such as the one the one that advises you to clean your genitals after sexual intercourse when in the Desert ,with handfuls of sand ,it is not only those hot desert winds that brings tears to the eyes

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:29 PM

    150€/month for a 2 bedrooms flat,pretty cheap!!

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    Aug 21st 2017, 3:57 PM

    He sounds like a Jihadi ,”Johnny Cash”Iman in Black.

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    Aug 21st 2017, 1:27 PM

    What’s with the idiot in the twitter feed? There is no supposedly about it, this imam is a man of allah/god & as such, will be well rewarded for waging war against the infadel. Why is this idiot trying to contradict the teachings of Muhammad?

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    Aug 21st 2017, 1:52 PM

    If this was a extreme US Christian group doing this…..Dont think RTE and the BBC would be saying nothing but nothing to do with Christianity…..They are just radicalized young men…..If you are a fundamentalist Muslin many verses in the Koran can support holy war against the Infidel….

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