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'HSE says hospital overcrowding is improving, that's not what we're hearing'

The IAEM says the number of trolley inpatients in wards has increased since last year, not decreased.

OVERCROWDING IN HOSPITAL emergency departments across the country is getting worse, says the Irish Association for Emergency Medicine (IAEM)

The group welcomed the recent letter to HIQA from specialist trainees in Emergency Medicine which they said highlighted the real picture of  the “continuing and unacceptable overcrowding in the country’s Emergency Departments (EDs) and the risks to patients and staff associated with it”.

Mismatched information

Speaking to TheJournal.ie, a spokesperson for the IAEM said that there was a mismatch in information coming from the Department of Health about the improvements in trolley numbers and crowding and what their organisation were hearing on the ground.

They criticised the Health Service Executive (HSE) stating that their response to the problem was “disappointing” and they criticised the figures the HSE had issued, which hailed there was a vast improvement.

Rather than acknowledge the serious and, in some places, worsening problem it reported a 34 per cent decrease in ED overcrowding with admitted inpatients, choosing 2011 as the comparator year because that year saw the greatest number of inpatient boarders in EDs.

The true reduction is actually 22 per cent – laudable but of scant consolation to the 67,863 inpatients who endured being on a trolley instead of being treated in a bed on a ward.

The group state that compared to 2012, there is a 2 per cent increase in the number of inpatient boarders in EDs or trolley inpatients in wards.

“ED overcrowding is associated with increased risk of avoidable death, inferior medical outcomes or unnecessarily prolonged hospitalisation, he said, adding:

It is a severe problem, and it has been for some years, but what we are hearing from our members on the ground is that it is getting particularly bad and there does not seem to be any improvement.

The IAEM stated that overcrowding “continues represents a failure of the HSE to proactively manage this predictable situation and should be openly acknowledged as such rather than dismissing the legitimate concerns of doctors about the welfare of their patients”.

Risk to patients

Addressing the issue of the restricting ED’s hours – such as that raised in the Dáil yesterday in relation the St. Columcilles’s Hospital in Loughlinstown, he said that the reconfiguration of hospitals is not always a bad thing but said that the adequate resources need to be given to the hospital that is taking on the additional patients – like that of St Vincent’s Hospital.

“It should enhance patient safety and their experience, it should not make it worse. If it is just being done to save money, to close them down as a cost-saving measure then obviously that is not a good idea,” he said.

The IAEM is calling on the Department of Health and the HSE to “up the ante” on the overcrowding situation deal with the issue with a sustainable management plan.

Read: Tánaiste to address ‘the real scandal’ at St Vincent’s>

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    Mute Dave Harris
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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:42 PM

    Anyone who says the usual nonsense about building it around the M50 clearly doesn’t drive on the M50 regularly.

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    Mute Gary
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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:48 PM

    Dave, I hear the M50 is quiet between 3am and 4am. I personally think they’re fibbing.

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    Mute Jim
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    Nov 24th 2016, 7:14 PM

    In the event of an emergency id be hooring up the hard shoulder and stopping for nobody. Its easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. :-)

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    Mute brian magee
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    Nov 24th 2016, 8:27 PM

    Dave this is a maternity hospital who services South Dublin. It’s a perfect location.

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    Mute Seán O'Sullivan
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    Nov 24th 2016, 9:44 PM

    @Dave Harris: more then 2/3rds ot the poulation live outside of dublin, it;s the national childrens hospital not the dublin childrens hospital

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    Mute KT
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    Nov 24th 2016, 10:46 PM

    It is neither of those things, they are talking about the national MATERNITY hospital….

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    Mute The Viking
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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:15 PM

    Serious joke yet again. Why the likes of Blanchardstown and Tallaght hospitals were,’t given preference for the maternity and childrens hospitals is beyond me. They have more than adequit land and travel facilitys.

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    Mute Fiona Fitzgerald
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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:19 PM

    Can’t fathom that either. Surely cheaper land and far easier to travel to and park the further from Dublin. Bad enough for a couple of births, but a Children’s hospital will have many repeat visitors per family.

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    Mute Stephen Maher
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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:22 PM

    Because the high flyers who run these hospitals don’t live in Tallaght or Blanchardstown that’s why.

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    Mute Boganity
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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:31 PM

    I agree, it should have been moved to the end of my street. Or better still they should build one at the end of everyone’s street

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    Mute Alex Murray
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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:41 PM

    Great that’s just around the corner from my house, better start knocking the wife up

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    Mute Tony O Reilly
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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:49 PM

    The land is owned by Vincents what you on about

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    Mute Rory Naughton
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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:53 PM

    @viking – why would it move to Blanchardstown!? It provides maternity services for Dublin South East and East Wicklow. Are you really that stupid?

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    Mute Daney Howard
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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:54 PM

    The Rotunda Hospital is due to move to Blanchardstown

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    Mute Platypus Parcel
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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:54 PM

    @The Viking: Not the maternity or children’s hospital, a hospital. there will be more. Blanch and tallaght will get theirs, just not this time.

    Meanwhile you propose a stripping out of the city centre. coring the heart and installing stand alone drive through only monstrosities as far from the centre as possible.

    How far out do you need to live before you can stop being ashamed of being a Dub?

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    Mute Mark Boyle
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    Nov 24th 2016, 8:08 PM

    @The Viking:, there’s more to a hospital than just parking and roads. Blanch was ruled out as a collocation site for the children’s hospital because it’s *not as good medically*. Maybe it’s just me but the quality and experience of the doctors and nursing staff beat parking and traffic considerations any day.

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Nov 24th 2016, 8:22 PM

    A Dub ? … The clue is in the name : National. As in, everywhere outside Dublin as well. There’s more to Ireland than bloody coddle & chips. …

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    Mute Seán O'Sullivan
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    Nov 24th 2016, 9:48 PM

    @Platypus Parcel: is this the national childrens hospital or the south dublin childrens hospital ? im sure youre not aware but theres a whole world outside south dublin

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    Mute KT
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    Nov 24th 2016, 10:48 PM

    It’s just called that, the rotunda I’d due to move to blanch and the combe to James or tallaght. People getting very hot up when they clearly don’t understand how the maternity hospitals work, and also that this article is not about the children’s hospital!!

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    Mute Kevin Slater
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    Nov 25th 2016, 1:52 PM

    Co-location is no longer considered necessary by international standards. Maybe the children’s hospital location should now be reconsidered

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    Mute darren
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    Nov 24th 2016, 7:37 PM

    Shame they couldn’t refurbish holles st. It’s a wonderful old building full of character that will probably be sold off to one of the law firms.

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    Mute Get Lost Eircodes
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    Nov 24th 2016, 7:42 PM

    Character doesn’t make a good hospital…

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    Mute brian magee
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    Nov 24th 2016, 8:29 PM

    A wonderful old building. That’s the very reason why they are moving.

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    Mute brian magee
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    Nov 24th 2016, 8:30 PM

    In saying that myself ant my daughter were both born in the same room. She was born the day after my 30th.

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    Mute Rory
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    Nov 24th 2016, 9:33 PM

    Good post code though

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    Mute Get Lost Eircodes
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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:59 PM

    National Maternity Hospital Board meetings will now officially start with a decade of the rosary…

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    Mute Liam Kennedy
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    Nov 24th 2016, 8:00 PM

    Archbishop of Dublin is already their patron.

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    Mute Get Lost Eircodes
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    Nov 24th 2016, 8:54 PM

    @Liam Kennedy: Cos bishops know all about making babies…thought they banished him to south america?

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    Mute Stephen McManus
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    Nov 24th 2016, 11:14 PM

    @Get Lost Eircodes: I was also under the impression that the board of St Vincent’s was far more conservative than HS and potentially a source of problems if/when more liberal policies are to be adopted.

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    Mute Micheal OLainn
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    Nov 24th 2016, 9:30 PM

    Will it actually be built, opened and made operational?

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    Mute Brian Lenehan
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    Nov 25th 2016, 3:39 AM

    This is a great result for the mothers-to-be in the catchment of the NMH. The co-location with SVUH guarantees better patient outcomes for emergency cases, as well as better transport options for routine cases.

    The “National Maternity Hospital” is a somewhat inflated title. It is the largest maternity hospital in the State but its intended catchment is only intended to be south of the Liffey.

    The proposed National Children’s Hospital is just that, however, and should be located in the most optimal location to allow accessibility to children (and their parents) from the entire country. It should also be collocates with a general hospital with the necessary skills mix. St. James’s Hospital probably meets the latter criteria, it doesn’t in any way meet the former. In fact, I’d go so far to say St. James’s should be relocated out westward closer to the M50. There is still a requirement within the City centre for acute and emergency care, perhaps these functions could remain within the city in a satellite hospital, but the current location for St. James’s is not fit for purpose as a general hospital, let alone a Children’s Hospital.

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    Mute Leitrim303
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    Nov 24th 2016, 11:15 PM

    what is the point of having a national maternity hospital. We have 19 maternity hospitals in Ireland all doing a great job.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 11:33 PM
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