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Column Clarity is needed on the pension levy 'jobs initiatives' claim

The Government’s inaction on pensions begs the question of whether it has a long-term strategy for pensions at all, writes Samantha McConnell.

WHILE THE BROADER economy shows signs of recovery, heading into 2014 the outlook for pensions remains uncertain. In part this is due to decisions of the past, but the crisis in pensions also has a lot to do with current Government policy decisions – or lack thereof.

As we saw on last Tuesday’s Prime Time show on RTÉ, the majority of people working in the private sector have made no pension arrangement and will have to rely on State benefits on retirement. We have an aging population, an unfunded State pension and a massively unfunded public sector pension (particularly given the raiding of the National Pension Reserve Fund).

The consequence is that in the near future tough decisions will have to be made. The State pension at current levels, we believe, is unsustainable, and the Government will either need to means-test the State pension or to greatly increase the level of PRSI to ensure that all pensioners can continue to access the State pension on retirement.

Mandatory pension plans?

A good starting point to ensure people have adequate pension provision would be the introduction of mandatory pensions. This was one of the key recommendations of last year’s OECD report on the Irish pensions sector. This initiative would compel companies and workers to fund their retirement and would be in line with policy in nearly all other OECD countries (Ireland and New Zealand are the only countries without a mandatory provision).

2013 was a bad year for defined benefit schemes, with many of them being wound down – the Pensions Board estimates that there were 1,271 in 2008 compared to just 750 today – but at least the past 12 months saw the Minister changing the priority order. This will allow for a fairer and more proportionate distribution of assets where a scheme is wound up.

Pension levy effectively steals private assets

However, a less fair measure is, we believe, the continuation of the pension levy and the introduction of a further, additional levy in Budget 2014. Deputy Stephen Donnelly pointed out on Prime Time that these measures were akin to the Government putting its hands into private citizens’ accounts – and effectively stealing their private assets.

The reality is that the pension levy/levies will in part be used to pay for the fallout of the Waterford Crystal ruling and for other similar situations where both company and scheme are in deficit.

Clearly, where there are double insolvencies, there is a need for former Waterford Crystal staff and other former scheme members to receive financial support. However, the manner in which the levy is being imposed is unfair, as it is applicable to all private pension schemes and not just defined benefit schemes, where the benefits are greater.

Defined contribution members, who have to contribute more to their schemes and who will struggle to enjoy the benefits afforded to members of DB schemes, are also now meant to pay for what are essentially failing defined-benefit schemes. They are effectively paying for an insurance policy that they themselves can never benefit from.

Clarity is needed on ‘jobs initiatives’ claim

It has been suggested that the extra levy is partly there to fund jobs initiatives, but despite being asked a number of times in the Dáil about the number of jobs the levy will create, or even what proportion of the levy is being set aside for job creation, the Government has not yet provided clarity on this issue. We are calling on the Minister to quantify the number of jobs that have been or will be created through the use of levy funds.

Our feeling is that the levy is here to stay and that while it will serve to compensate members of insolvent defined benefit schemes, it may also dissuade other, younger employees to start a private pension. This in turn will put further pressure on the State pension in the years ahead.

In contrast to the private sector, public sector workers still enjoy expensive defined benefit pensions. There have been some changes for new entrants to the public service, but it is necessary that greater, more radical changes are made to reduce inequity between public and private pensions.

It has been seven years since the Government Green paper on pensions, and we are no clearer on policy for this sector (apart to dip into private pensions to fund insolvent defined benefit schemes and finance jobs initiatives). This inaction raises the question as to whether the Government has any long-term strategy for pensions or if there is a need for the issue of pensions to be taken out of the political arena and an independent body be set up to reform the sector.

Read: OECD report recommends mandatory pensions for private workers

Read: About 70 per cent of women do not have pension

Read: New legislation to protect pensioners with defined benefit schemes

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:12 PM

    Sure give them a house there!

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    Mute The Dublinist
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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:39 PM

    @DL_8_5: Yeah. At least they’ll have proper shelter in prison haha.

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 6:06 AM

    @DL_8_5: You will have to wait a few hours maybe till 10 or 11 am before you get counter arguments from the “everyone in the audience gets a free house brigade” or the its the “governments/bankers/tax payers fault crew” as it was dole day yesterday so they had to put in a long day in at the bookies or pub.

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 7:32 AM

    @Jonathan Whelan: Ohhhhhh that’s gonna BURN. Well said

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 7:40 AM

    @Jonathan Whelan: Stereotyping much?

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 8:38 AM

    @Andrew Giles: hmm I’d say its more stastical analysis than sterotyping!

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 10:46 AM

    @Jonathan Whelan: you’ve obviously never had the displeasure of being unemployed and on the dole then, trust me, you’re stereotyping.

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 1:39 PM

    @Jonathan Whelan: What are you talking about Johnny boy, did you not hear we are back to full employment. If you don’t believe me ask Leo.
    Ps I get a half day today

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    Mute Jonathan Whelan
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    Feb 2nd 2018, 2:14 PM

    @Derek Poutch: ha ha good man good to see some light hearted comments!

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    Mute Jonathan Whelan
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    Feb 2nd 2018, 2:18 PM

    @Andrew Giles: awww no I actually have been, was on a project 9 years ago and they were laying lads off. I put my name forward as the rest of the lads had mortgages and one had a baby on the way. Was nothing going work wise so diversified and went out trawling to make a quid! All about drive n attitude!

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:26 PM

    Why suspend part of a sentence for a man with 67 convictions? Mind boggling.

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:40 PM

    @Dj: I think the idea of suspending part of a sentence is , that you have to abide by probation rules and can be monitored , and that if you let slip , you have to finish out your sentence .
    So in a way , it’s keeping tabs on you when you get out .

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:46 PM

    @Ken Hayden: Fair enough but someone who has dozens of convictions has obviously proved to be a high risk repeat offender so why not just give him the full sentence and put him on probation when he gets out.

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:55 PM

    @Dj: Am no legal expert , but I would imagine the probation part would have to be included in your sentence , hence the suspended part .
    Maybe someone knows the law and can post .
    I hope we never get to the 3 strikes rule , but some people obviously consider the rule of law a joke , when they can commit 67 crimes and not be jailed .

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:55 PM

    @Ken Hayden: they cant be keeping tabs on him if he had a string of convictions!!! And i highly doubt they will now…

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 10:39 AM

    @Ken Hayden: I’m no legal w pert either but isn’t privation different Dron suspending part of your set sentence? The for is decided by the judge at sentencing time, when the latter is more to do with prisons letting you out early in a monitored way?

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    Feb 1st 2018, 11:15 PM

    “snuck”. Fabulous. The standard term for the past tense of the word “sneak” is “sneaked”. “Snuck” is informal and really has no place in professional journalism.

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 7:37 AM

    @Maria Hickey-Fagan:
    “snuck” is a recognised word but more commonly used in North American english:
    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/explore/is-snuck-a-real-word

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    Feb 3rd 2018, 5:21 PM

    @Maria Hickey-Fagan:
    Journal.ie ran a story the other day about broadband in Ireland with the phrase “in shite” used in the headline,I kid you not!

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:18 PM

    ‘Mannerly Burglaries’. Love it!

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    Feb 1st 2018, 11:34 PM

    Homeless men with an address at…

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:19 PM

    Sure they have a roof over their heads now and food everyday.

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:12 PM

    Well when your government won’t take care of you what do you expect to happen?

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:18 PM

    How about they take care of themselves

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:21 PM

    @Cameron O’Toole: Yes Talbot should be doing a life sentence. After 67 convictions its clear he will be nothing other than a criminal. The government has failed the people of Ireland.

    As for your comment. It is not upto the government to house every junkie in the country. The government do not have to take care of people. Most of us take care of ourselves. The government didnt put the syringe into these men

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:42 PM

    @Cathal: They were until the Guards got involved :-)

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:59 PM

    @Cameron O’Toole: the government has never looked after me and im not living on the streets or on drugs or go around commiting crime… i look after myself!! And why should the government look after them??

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 12:08 AM

    Probably the only time in their lives these two guys will ever wear high-vis jackets.

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    Feb 1st 2018, 11:30 PM

    Homeless, great tag line,
    Two ##### bags more like it

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:30 PM

    At least they’ll get better treatment in prison. A warm bed and food, maybe a chance at rehabilitation that could lead to education and getting them off the streets, and people in prison won’t ignore them and pretend they are not there.

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    Feb 1st 2018, 10:39 PM

    @Liberal Larry: Ya, it’s society’s fault that one of these men decided to leave school at 12 and go on to lead a life of crime. Instead of ignoring these criminal drug addicts society should have embraced them. How many criminals are you friends with Larry?

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 1:30 AM

    @Liberal Larry: yes Larry it’s the Governments fault, numbnuts

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 5:33 AM

    67 convictions? Where is the social equality when normal people struggling to make ends meet dont pay the likes of a tv licence and get jail ? Anything over 20 convictions automatic maximum jail term applicable for each particular crime. If working people pay more tax for the more they earn, like wise career criminals should have to pay more time in jail for the increasing number of convictions. Also in respect to free legal aid for criminal cases, guilty verdict = defendant liabile for legal costs. Garnish there future dole to recoup.

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 5:52 AM

    If homeless how come they gave addresses of where they lived

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 5:59 AM

    Why the big ‘homeless’ in the heading. Cheap shot headline.

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 9:26 AM

    If they have addresses how are they homeless?

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    Feb 1st 2018, 11:27 PM

    How dare they. The cheek of them coming over here to our country and taking our women….and phones……oh wait!!@

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 10:07 AM

    Shame they didnt put as much effort into hetting a job

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 8:40 AM

    Snuck?

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 12:19 PM

    Does anyone ever serve the suspended part of these sentences? People seem to be serial offenders but I have never heard of time being added to convictions because they had reoffended after a previous suspended sentence. Can anyone shed light on this?

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    Feb 2nd 2018, 12:47 PM

    Lock them up and throw away the “glide”

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