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Schools 'cannot be run' on current level of funding

The INTO made the comments after it emerged that eight schools in Ireland received almost €50,000 extra funding from the State in 2012.

IRISH SCHOOLS CANNOT be run at their current level of funding, a teachers’ union has said.

The Irish National Teachers’ Organisation (INTO) made the comment after it emerged that eight of Ireland’s most affluent schools received €50,000 each on average in additional State funding in 2012.

The data was given to RTÉ by the Revenue Commissioners. This evening, INTO said that the day to day running costs of primary schools far exceed state funding.

It alleges that the under-funding “is being covered up, topped up and made good mainly by principal teachers who spend more and more time fundraising”.

Sheila Nunan, general secretary of the INTO, said:

Government funding to schools does not cover basic running costs such as heating, light and electricity, cleaning, insurance, office expenses and classroom equipment. It is less than a euro per pupil per school day. Schools cannot be run on this level of funding.

Without local funding through voluntary contributions by parents and fundraising activities, schools would be seriously in the red, the union said.

Ms Nunan said what was effectively happening was that parents were paying a “local education” tax. “This is completely unacceptable,” she said. “School running costs should be fully met by the Department of Education. Government is underfunding schools and relying on parents to make up the shortfall.”

Deputy Jonathan O’Brien said that this funding was “further benefiting schools where parents could afford to contribute”.

The Sinn Féin Education Spokesperson said that this type of scheme is “fundamentally inequitable”.

“I can understand from the schools’ perspective that they are desperate to fundraise, but the manner in which the State oversees education funding results in a tiered education system,” he said, adding that he believes that ideally, the payment of voluntary contributions should be scrapped altogether.

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    Mute Niall Donnelly
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:26 PM

    Why can’t they be renovated into permanent accommodation? And why would it cost so much?

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    Mute Con ODomhnaill
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:58 PM

    O’Devaney Gardens flats were renovated only a few years ago. They were all fitted with new double glazed windows and shortly afterwards half the flats were knocked down.

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    Mute Niall Donnelly
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:08 PM

    New windows isn’t renovating. Renovating is ripping everything out, new electrics, plumbing, insulation and warm boards put in. I lived in Germany on a 10th floor apartment just like Ballymun but inside was new. It was great. It shouldn’t cost more than 25k for each apartment from start to finish

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    Mute Mary Kavanagh
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    Apr 14th 2015, 12:56 AM

    It shouldn’t Niall. But this is Ireland.

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    Mute Charlie Melia
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:34 PM

    Obviously no brown envelopes for councillors in housing the homeless…….. Corrupt gangsters

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    Mute Andy Doyle
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:05 PM

    Is it possible for The Journal to publish a breakdown of how each individual councillor on the council voted on this motion ?

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    Mute Owen
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:20 PM

    FF and FG against it, labour abstained and all others in favour of halting the development.

    Might have been a short term solution, but would imagine people in hotels would have been glad of it as a stepping stone, especially as they were expected to be ready by September.

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    Mute Peter McGlynn
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    Apr 13th 2015, 11:32 PM

    Absolute waste of money. It was a knee jerk reaction to the housing crisis. They can take millions from property tax and motor tax to fund irish water but they can’t build public housing for the homeless?

    Maybe a few more deaths near government buildings and we’ll get a proper, sustainable solution to this mess.

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    Mute benny dowling
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    Apr 14th 2015, 12:52 AM

    Andy doyle u will answers in 30 years

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    Mute Brian O'Faolain
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    Apr 14th 2015, 9:46 PM

    Dont forget the mone from the pension reserve fund.

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    Mute Con ODomhnaill
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:54 PM

    Not to worry, Alan Kelly is building 35,000 new homes and he’s going to house everybody and everybody’s granny by 2018. Sure I saw him myself digging away with his shovel. Or was he installing a water meter? Because Kelly’s water metering seems to have come to a standstill.

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    Mute Alan Scott
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:27 PM

    Yes Con.
    You mean digging a bigger for himself

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    Mute Alan Scott
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:29 PM

    Hole was in the text but it’s gone walking . Sorry

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    Mute Jane Ryan
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:29 PM

    Junkies have been the scourge of the genuine homeless person for a good few years now ,taking up spaces in homeless shelthers hosthels in dublin and turning them into smack houses while forcing genuine people with genuine problems out onto the street ,no genuine person or family who finds themselves in this unfortunate situation would feel safe in shelters with the carry on of these low lifes who are thrown out of the shelters from nine to five every day to cause havoc on the people of the city centre and surrounding areas ,all gathering at the board walk on the liffey buying selling and banging up and drinking ,maybe this shower of over paid idiots should of sparing a taught for the genuine homeless people before making this decission ,and also get up of their fat asses and clear up the mess these junkies are creating in dublin

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    Mute Jeremiah Horsebeard
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:23 PM

    What a disgrace. These properties could have saved a life or 50!

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    Mute Alan O'connor
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:25 PM

    The last place I would house anyone is O’Devaney Gardens. A total, (and extremely dangerous) kip.

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    Mute Melissa Hennessy
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    Apr 14th 2015, 12:33 AM

    What’s your reason to make this comment ?

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    Mute Ronan Walsh
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    Apr 13th 2015, 10:29 PM

    Strange old country, we have people who come here to flee persecution, they claim asylum , get somewhere to live , get fed, get pocket money, access to education (including now third level) and free legal assistance to help them stay here. But some of our own citizens sleep in doorways and b+b’s and no one seems to care.

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    Mute Alan Kennedy
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    Apr 14th 2015, 9:56 AM

    Fleeing persecution is an entirely different issue with entirely different social problems to homelessness.

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    Mute The Todd
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:23 PM

    Value for money? these people need homes. I understand that cost has to come into it somehow but where are the savings proposed to be made? Talking shops as usual

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    Mute Micheal Johnson
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    Apr 13th 2015, 10:11 PM

    Has everyone gone bonkers??? Why are we even considering housing homeless people in the center of the most expensive city in the state? There are plenty of perfectly fine houses in Leitrim that are ready to move into and would cost a fraction! We are so Dublin centered it’s costing us a fortune and no one even realises!

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    Mute Jane Ryan
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:01 PM

    Was mannix flynn the one who voted for taxing buskers,
    And auld christy burke claimed to not know a certain criminal who was convicted of peadophilia in sherriff street dublin even though the whole inner city dublin knew christy was lying through his teeth ,i wouldnt trust christy as far as i throw him , and hes lord f&%cking mayor ,how the hell can this happen ,

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    Mute Declan O'BRien
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    Apr 13th 2015, 11:53 PM

    Mannix actually voted against the busking bye-laws

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    Mute Denis Maher
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:50 PM

    I’ve managed to find work through 2 recessions since 1979. And pay my own way.

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    Mute The Todd
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:52 PM

    Well done to you

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:59 PM

    Good for you Denis, so did I doesn’t mean I expect everyone else to be so lucky…

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    Mute Deco James Connolly
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:13 PM

    Luck is a myth, good fortune is earned.

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    Mute The Todd
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:33 PM

    Ye if you’re not playing a rigged game

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    Mute John Smith
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:06 PM

    The councillors are right. This is an extortionate amount of money to spend on a temporary fix that will be knocked down in a few years. there are plenty of places they could spend the money on and get a permanent solution that’s in better condition – here’s ten homes for sale on daft, for example http://www.daft.ie/commercial/10-19-wesley-place-clanbrassil-street-dublin-8-dublin/221003/
    Buy them and put homeless people in there and save money too. Well done the councillors.

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    Mute Denis Maher
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:36 PM

    The Todd. If they need a home what they could do is get a job and pay for it like the rest of us.

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    Mute The Todd
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:43 PM

    Because we live in a job saturated economy? People that are homeless don’t even receive any welfare because they don’t have an address. That’s why it’s called a poverty trap

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:58 PM

    If only it was so easy Denis there would be no homeless people. Try joining the dots…

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    Mute Bunny
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:11 PM

    Actually Todd that’s not true, they do receive welfare, however, in some circumstances they can’t receive rent allowance.

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    Mute The Todd
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:27 PM

    I stand corrected

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:57 PM

    Talking about homelessness and the council starts mentioning “value for money” Maggie Thatcher is alive and well and living in Dublin and voting on council decisions…

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    Mute O'Reilly
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:13 PM

    And tomorrow, SF will express their outrage at the way homeless people are being treated…

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    Mute Deco James Connolly
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:28 PM

    No they won’t ,they aren’t politically stupid despite what anyone thinks , how the Fcuk could they have got this far in irish politics north and south without having insider knowledge ,they are part of the establishment.

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Apr 13th 2015, 11:37 PM

    If they do O’Reilly it will be more then what the government (FG & Lab) or FF are doing….

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    Mute Tommy Newman
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:56 PM

    Common sense.
    Let the govenment do the right thing. Build more social houses.
    Christy Burke seems to have a lot of clout.
    Surprised himself and Mannix are at odds on this one.

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    Mute gerard devany
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    Apr 14th 2015, 12:56 AM

    Tommy Newman

    When is the last time you can remember the government doing the right thing ?

    There is no money in this for the government, it would be against the covenant of corporate government.

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    Mute Marty Flood
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:38 PM

    Simple. Make them homeless until they reach a viable solution.

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    Mute Liz Greehy
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    Apr 14th 2015, 5:40 AM

    Lumping a whole lot of socially deprived people into one building where their children will be labelled and their self esteem will plumett even though there are hundreds of empty houses around the country available right now! !! Have we learned nothing from all the previous planning errors made in the past???

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    Mute Herewegoagain
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    Apr 13th 2015, 9:28 PM

    Nothing new here . Owen Keegan will do what Owen Keegan wants to do , ruling Dublin like a true dictator.

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    Mute Denis Maher
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    Apr 13th 2015, 8:56 PM

    Thank you.

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    Mute Miriam Kane
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    Apr 14th 2015, 7:15 AM

    One of th reasons given for not do this was that it was a short term solution for people and didnt offer a solution to people. Yet their funding one homeless charity to have 50 people a night sleep in the floor on yoga mats is that a desirable solution???

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    Mute Alan Kennedy
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    Apr 14th 2015, 10:01 AM

    It would depend on the funding being €80k per yoga mat and how long they could use the yoga mat for.

    Sounds flippant, but that’s the reality (though I do expect there’s more than a enough NIMBYism going on here too. Spending €5m on a temporary solution for 60 people for 5 years (refurb of these flats) is quite different to spending €5m on a temporary solution for 600 people for 5 years (yoga mats in a homeless shelter).

    There’s absolutely a problem but this isn’t the way to go about it. I do hope that €5m is put to better use for the homeless.

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    Mute David Geraghty
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    Apr 13th 2015, 11:49 PM

    Yet another example of wasted resources under the mismanagement by politicians and vested groups. Please sell all unused property to developers for repurposing. At least sell development rights so that the land can be used for some sane purpose as opposed to idling it for the sake of indecision.

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    Mute Richie C
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    Apr 14th 2015, 1:42 PM

    O’Devaney gardens is a rotten hellhole and condemning families to living there is a sentence and nothing more. The place isn’t fit for rats. It’s certainly not fit for vulnerable families.

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