Well said

independent thinking requires an independent country which is an outrageous idea to people these days. I hope there is calls for referendum’s all over Europe now and the entire EU project is resigned to the dustbin of history.

Well done to England at least the have the balls to do it.. Hope it goes well for them..

The United Kingdom is done. The Scotts want out. The United Kingdom is broken.

Does Nicola Sturgeon have no shame?! Appearing with an EU and Scottish flag while calling for another highly divisive independence referendum, on the day the result is announced while declaring Scots to be morally superior to the rest of the UK.

There’s enough problems to be sorted out in Scotland without another year of the distractions another referendum will bring. Get back to actually governing Scotland so the Scots can judge accordingly what independence under the SNP would look like.

Nicola Sturgeon has every right to call for another referendum as the Scotts voted to stay within the UK because of economic stability. 62% of Scotts voted to stay within the EU and that should be respected. How hyprcrital of the English to cry about the EU being a dictatorship when they to do the exact same thing to the Scotts.

In fairness Tina, the Scottish people had their day in 2014 and they voted to remain in the UK. That means putting up with the decisions that the British people as a whole make. It was clear in 2014 that the political winds were dragging the UK towards a potential Brexit.

It does come off as a bit of a ‘toys out of the pram’ move so soon after the Brexit referendum. Especially as they only voted to remain 2 years ago.

I fully support their desire for sovereignty but maybe announcing this immediately after the results was a politically inept move.

There you go Merkel with your genocidal immigration policy, and scam refugee(economic chancer) “crisis”. Brits feel like strangers in their own country, this was their last chance to save their own ethnicity and culture, despite the arrogance, self-righteousness, smugness of the media and politicians whom the consequences of mass-immigration will never affect, they told you to Fk off. A movement for European peoples is now firmly underway, liberals your time is at an end.

@Jason, the Scots voted to stay within the UK on the basis of the slogan “better together”, and they also have the right to another referendum, as they only voted to stay on the caveat that the UK as whole stays in the EU, this has changed now, and with Scotland and Northern Ireland hugely in favour of “remain”, don’t be surprised if Scotland votes for independence and the North for getting rid of the border.

I dont think so Jason, 62% cannot be swept aside. That is exactly why they wanted independance from UK in the first place because they were never listened too. They want economic stability and all the leading economist around the world say the road to recovery will be arduous. This is a new world, with new economies and I am sorry to say the UK on its own would not fair so well. And lastlu do you think this divorce from the EU will amicable? There was a reason why Nicola kept harping on about Scotland being inclusive. It is the reason why Cameroon has resigned, a storm is brewing and it will noy be pretty.

All well and good Tina, but it won’t happen. Also 2 in 5 Scots voted to leave the EU, their voice cannot be trample on either, and that’s exactly what Sturgeon is doing.

But to be honest I hope they push for another referendum if only because the “White Paper on Independence” is going to make for absolutely tragic reading once the 2013 oil price which the paper is based on is replaced with the 2016 oil price. Stick that into the calculator and we may as well start calling Edinburgh “New Caracas”!

As I said Tina, I do agree with the reasoning for Scotland looking for another referendum and I support their moves to pull away from the UK. I’m merely pointing out that it was fairly obvious at the time that the UK was drifting towards a vote on pulling out of the UK so the Scottish voters knew that this moment had a chance of happening.

They had their chance 2 years ago and they rejected it. Declaring moves for another referendum on the day of these results is pretty premature given the fact that it’s unknown what direction negotiations with the EU will take.

Britain was a better economic country before EU and will start rocketing now that it has been unshackeled and which was a parasite weighing it down. It is the EU who benefitted from the EU not the other way around, it is the EU whose economies will drop not UK.

Hard to believe…..and what a fool Cameron was.

What did he hope to achieve with this vote, to blackmail europe then get the thumbs up from the british people?

They are living in a fantasy world where they are the great power of the past. The reality now is they are a small island on the fringes of Europe. The empire is gone, the commonwealth is micky mouse.

It will be a rough wake up for the romantic nostalgics…..

Cameron will go down in history, as the fool

Steve Britain had a better economy because of its lands overseas. What else do they have to trade on if other nations can provide the same resouces at better price? What does Britain have that makes it superior economically? They dont even speak a second langauge like the rest of the other European nations? And if the Scotts leave they are well and truly done. The Queen had better start selling her crown jewels as you watch jobs will start to go.

Not really Google, his plan was very clear. He told the British people that he was going to get them a ‘better deal’ when it came to the EU. It would then be put to the people to decide whether the EU’s concessions were enough to keep the UK as a member of the EU.

Obviously he failed to win the people over and they felt that the EU wasn’t worth it. To a large degree they are right. While the economic benefits of the EU are undeniable, we had the same benefits as members of the EEC with nowhere near as much political interference. Nowadays German parliament members seeing the Irish budget before TD’s do or EU ‘oversight’ of forced Greek employment law reform is considered normal.

The EU isn’t worth such blatant infringements on the sovereignty and democratic rights of the member states.

@Tina

wrong, long after colonialism, Britain had a better economy because of it’s financial acumen and promoting entrepreneurial spirit. Britain had given up most of it’s colonial territories, and btw it took a lot of investment in time, talented people, business management to get many of those territories ordered and up and running, a proof of this is the devastation and mismanagement these colonies are now in, and also why Africans are flooding here to get out of their own countries.

As for speaking a 2nd language, they do, it’s called the language of business, and most of the world speak English and trade in English. I see you seem to be of African origin, yet here you are in an English speaking country, speaking English. Point proved.

Agree @An_Beal_Bocht…at the very least it will show that life goes on…the world still spins on its axis, the sky has not fallen on our heads…it is a brave decision to be applauded.
The scaremongers have been silenced. Well done UK. If it was here we’d be asked to vote again.

@steven, what the heck has Tina’s heritage do with things, or did you just bring it uup to have a nasty little racist swipe at anyone who’s first language isn’t English

Politicans are gutted, yes the entire establishment, all the vested interests here and in the UK who said that this would be the worst thing ever, because they all benefit , and want to see it continued, and are afraid of growing call for a referendum here, bcause the result would be the same. That`s why you never have opinion polls here asking if Irish people would like chance to voter for Irexit, because they know the answer, same as in the UK.

@Larissa

I see even pointing out facts now is forbidden and gets screamed at as racist, keep that up, it’s why the normal people are voting to get out and against multiculturalism.

In case you hadn’t noticed, Tina and I were discussing about British economics, she brought up that it was based on land they owned abroad, as well as them not “even speaking a 2nd language” ( a comment on their heritage which I note you do not call that racist, if I had said that about some African people, you would scream “wacist”)

The counter to Tina’s point is to show how Africa is now even worse off after colonialism and how millions of Africans are clamouring to get into UK and EU, her own case of being here in Ireland proves my point, that is all, Larissa, what is your hysterical problem with that factual point…..pure idiocy.

@Steveocarrol so the UK will be great because of ‘financial acumen’? Are they the only ones on this planet to have this? When i resources, I mean tangible resources. Its been less than 24 hours they have dropped from 5th to 6th in the world greatest economies. And yes I have African heritage, I speak 3 languages which is rather employable skill to have in this economy. And fyi, the Brits did not leave their colonies in peace but that is besidea the point. Nigeria is doing quite well if you disregard the usuall corruption. Gaining independance was the best to ever happen to that country, especially since its only been independent for around 60 years. Progress takes time and the fact many nations are investing billions in Africa is a testament to Africa’s bright future. Greater Empires fall and it seems the United Kingdom has fallen due to populist stupidity. And lastly one the US is the richest country in the world and huge part of that weath is due to multiculturalism. Thats is why so many people emigrate there.

@Tina

We were talking about Britain and it’s finances and economy. And yes if a country has better business acumen than the EU then it will be better than the EU. If a country economy is great, it is precisely because of it’s acumen in that area.

You derided UK for speaking 1 language, yet that did not stop them from reaching 5th economy in the world, so your point there is wrong. Indeed the very fact you speak 3 languages is actually due to colonialism. Britain leaving it’s colonies meant the former warring tribes went back to tearing the hell out of each other again. Hence the trouble.

If Nigeria is doing quite well, which I am sure it is, then why are they coming in their floods to Europe? It means saying they are asylum seekers is bogus when there are safe prosperous areas in Nigeria to move to.

To say UK has fallen in 1 day due to a vote, is what is both populist and stupid. U.S is one of the richest countries in the world due to Euro-Americans intelligence which has seen the vast majority of inventions and entrepreneurship come from them. Every field of endeavour has been led and driven by them. In fact in cities where there is majority non-white like Detroit, they resemble the 3rd world.

Sweden, Denmark, Greece, The Netherlands, Hungary and France all have issues with the EU similar to UK, The UK and these could form a new union based on common values.

@stevenocarroll……….perhaps Merkel can take comfort in knowing that Tower Hamlets voted 67% to remain.

@Micheal

EU gave 50 million to Dell to help relocate out of Ireland to Poland

The money men have had a busy night milking the profits from the economic fallout.
Billions richer this morning, probably all salted away in some secure tax haven even as we speak.

London as a trade centre will pay a heavy price for this, many jobs will be lost. Scotland and Northern Ireland will be forced to follow an outcome their countries comfortably rejected which will potentially prompt referendums. There are large scale implications to this, the UK will never be the same again.

Mick Hanigan the other way to look at it is the EU can now make decisions that will directly affect Britain and Britain will have no say in the matter, or no veto.

Fair point jimmyjoe, still think it was best thing to do, and more country’s will follow, the eu is a sinking ship

Adam, that’s nonsense, all the bookies, and there’s few poor bookies, all backed a remain vote with huge odds, anyone who backed leave deserves to make a lot of money

Mick,

exactly what version of the pre-EU Britain are they getting control of?

Many people forget that when Britain joined the EEC it was known as the “sick man of Europe”

In Your Face EU Dictatorship. Every single currency in the world is gaining against the £££. Time for a cheap holiday to England! Another Referendum?!

Farage has already said this morning that there is no guarantee of an extra £350 million to spend on the NHS.

This is one of the three topics that the leave group campaigned on.

The whole leave campaign was devoid of facts. it was an victory for anti-intellectualism, fear and xenophobia.

An_Beal_Bocht.
Senior staff and traders at banks including Citigroup, JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley were booked into hotels in the city overnight, food ordered in and ‘entertainment’ (cough cough) provided to keep their fingers on the pulse of market changes.
Hedge fund managers were licking their lips as the night unfolded.
Huge change in betting patterns after the Sunderland result. Betfair had Leave as favourite around 2 am this morning.

@Stopit.
The whole Remain campaign was based on fear and scare mongering.
No rational breakdown of the consequences though.
Just fear of the unknown.
Actually, I cannot remember one single contribution from any representative of the Remain side which gave any clarity to the debate in terms of the economy.
And that’s why they’re in this position this morning with egg all over their faces.
Arrogance and a patronizing attitude to the plebs might have been OK in 19th century Europe……….not today though.

do you really think the financial world will not have foreseen this outcome and not(probably already) implemented plans to gain from it?

Some will, that’s the risk of speculation, but we shouldn’t have to pay for their losses when that happens

The journal is awash with people who are economic experts, none of you know what’s going to happen so stop with the “the uk has made a mistake and will pay for it”

The word you are looking for Josephine is “plummet”

There is one enormous difference Barry – Norway and Switzerland were never members. The EU can’t afford to give Britain the same deal or else it will be game over.

Mole, EU can’t afford not to do business with London, sure Britain is the 5th biggest economy in the world!

but for how long ABB?

Barry Scott, the Norwegian government warned the UK against a Norwegian model

To participate in the common market they have to comply with all the regulation but have no say in determining those regulations.

Cheers folks. Just read an interesting article in the guardian about Norway and the ‘Norwegian Model’.

@Barry, there’s no reason that Britain can’t adopt the Norwegian model, but the problem is, they would then again join the European common market, something the majority of the English have rejected with their Brexit vote, Out is out. And with Northern Ireland and Scotland now potentially set to leave the union, all you have left is England and Wales, hardly the world’s 5th biggest economy, also, look where the British economy was before they joined the EU.

@Barry, shouldn’t you be typing in caps.

Larissa, before joining the EEC the UK was…the world’s fifth biggest economy.

Being a large organisation isn’t what’s killing the EU, it’s their dream of a federal European superstate and their willingness to trample on the democratic rights of citizens to achieve it that’s the problem.

The EEC, which Ireland and the UK voted to join, was all about free trade and free movement of people for the economic betterment of Europe. That is what we bought into, not an attempt to make a United States of Europe with Germany in the drivers seat.

For once I agree with you Jason!

Well said!

In a world with large power blocks dominating, USA, Russia, China, India etc.

Europe needs cohesion, and integration in order to compete and influence the world.

The days of small petty states fragmenting europe are numbered……a well organised federal system with defence and foreign polices is what the world and europe need.

The petty nationalism that dominated the debate and the rise of the right in Europe is understandable but disgusting, and against everyones interests in Europe.

European ideals and values, and what europe stands for is a beacon for the world.

It is light years ahead of the States and anywhere else, in environment, human rights, principles of food quality, and consumer and data protection.
The good far outweighs the negatives

Europe does not need integration, not by a long shot. The US has created a powerful trading bloc in North America similar to the EEC without forcing Canada and Mexico into a federal union. China is leading the same efforts in Asia.

All we needed to prosper and compete with other major nations was the EEC. Everything beyond that has done nothing but harm European co-operation and economic development.

Ireland and the UK will have a special arrangement for their citizens Darren.
Well said Adam!

She’ll likely be deported now Darren, sorry.

Yes proud day to be British as this morning in two hours the UK economy lost $350 billion, equivalent to 40 years of EU contributions.

Where is most of that economic hit landing deise? The financial market where money is gambled on money or the physical economy where money is earned through goods and services?

@Frankie Harrison……….and some of the real reasons not mentioned in Brit.Press or Irish media but noted strongly in US Frontpage.
—”And the people did not want migrant rape mobs in their streets and Muslim massacres in their pubs. They were tired of Afghani migrants living in posh homes with their four wives while they worked hard and sick of seeing their daughters passed around by “Asian” cabbies from Pakistan in ways utterly indistinguishable from the ISIS slave trade while the police looked the other way so as not to appear racist. And, most of all, they were sick of the entire Eurocratic establishment that let it all happen.—”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263293/how-brexit-will-change-america-\\and-world-daniel-greenfield

Methinks I am a prophet new-inspired.
And do foretell that Boris will soon seek
A barricade from which to bellow out
Vast chunks of Shakespeare’s Henry to his troops

It’s a pity we’ve the weakest leader in the history of our state.This is a massive opportunity for Ireland,but Merkels lapdog hasn’t the intelligence or tenacity to act on it.

Huge backlash against Enda Kenny’s intervention in the debate in Britain now.
Turns out he was asked to visit Britain by his Tory buddy Cameron, now departed.
The Irish in Britain are particularly incensed by his ill thought out intervention.

Simple terms is easy unless you want longer terms as I wrote in… http://www.thejournal.ie/auto-draft-so-brexit-happened-2843205-Jun2016/?new_comment=1#comments

http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/brexit-populist-farce-2834352-Jun2016/ I meant to write?

Thanks for that. I had forgotten the significance of them being Crown Dependencies.

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_dependencies

The UK is stuck in a medieval timewarp in more ways than one!