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RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR Putin has said he wants to find a “diplomatic solution” to the crisis in Ukraine in a telephone call with British Prime Minister David Cameron.
A statement from Downing Street this afternoon says that Cameron had called Putin to urge him to “de-escalate” the situation in Ukraine and to support the formation of a contact group that could lead to direct talks between Moscow and the new leaders in Kiev.
“President Putin agreed that it is in all our interests to have a stable Ukraine,” a Downing Street spokeswoman said.
He said that Russia did want to find a diplomatic solution to the crisis and that he would discuss the proposals on the contact group with Foreign Minister (Sergei) Lavrov tomorrow.
Cameron had made clear to Putin that Britain, along with its European partners and the United States, “want to work with Russia to find a diplomatic solution to the situation in Ukraine, including Crimea”.
The British prime minister told Putin that “we recognise the right of all Ukrainian people to choose their future” and that elections scheduled for May “provide the best way to ensure the elections are free, fair and inclusive”.
Ukraine PM to visit White House
The leaders’s call comes as the White House has confirmed that President Barack Obama will meet with Ukraine’s interim prime minister in Washington this week, in a show of support amid a tense stand-off with Russia over control of Crimea.
Obama will host crisis talks with Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk on Wednesday, US Deputy National Security Adviser Tony Blinken said, confirming earlier reports.
“He has invited the Ukrainian prime minister to come to the White House on Wednesday to further demonstrate… support,” Blinken told NBC television’s “Meet the Press” program.
Ukraine’s Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk will meet US President Barack Obama on Wednesday. (Pic: CTK Photo/Jakub Dospiva)
Yatsenyuk had earlier announced in Kiev that he would travel to the United States, but gave no details of planned meetings.
Blinken said the US leader has been rallying world support for the Kiev’s beleaguered fledgling administration and against Russia’s incursion into the Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula.
“We’ve seen the president put together a major international support package. In terms of isolating Russia, what we’ve seen as a result of the mobilized support is the financial markets in Russia have hit lows, the ruble has hit a low, investors are wondering whether to get involved in Russia because of the instability,” Blinken said.
“The president has made clear that going forward in coordination with our partners and allies we have in place a mechanism with sanctions to raise the cost significantly,” he added.
“But this is really a choice for the Russians to make. They have to decide whether they want to resolve the diplomatically or whether they want to face growing isolation, growing economic.”
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The fact that Obama wants to meet the leader of a parliament that is not democratically elected, that gave 6 of its ministries to Nazi party members tells me everything that any reasonable person needs to know.
The same Nazi party calls the holocaust a ‘bright spot’ in history. Its deputy leader counts an actual Nazi holocaust criminal a hero of his party.
I think Obama and the EU need to get a grip on reality.
Russia offered Ukraine a bailout with a lot less conditions associated with it back in November. Part of the bailout included an offer to reduce Gas/Oil prices for the Ukranian citizens as an effort to stimulate its economy. Russia offered loan rates of 3%.
Y=The EU/IMF deal set the loan rate at 5% and put conditions on the loan that included forcing a 40% increase on fuel prices for the Ukranian citizens, as well as forcing the sell–off of farmland to EU & US private institutions, and forcing the sell-off of Gas-lines passing through Ukraine (A major source of wealth to Ukraine).
Imagine, Ukraine took the Russian offer and for some reason, the Ukranian Nazi party didn’t like it and murdered Police men and Ukranian activists alike. The same Nazi party is funded by the US.
If this is democracy in action, the US and EU can shove it where the sun don’t shine.
Why not have fresh elections throughout Ukraine? . Russia should withdraw the military it built up over the last few weeks and allow international observers to monitor the elections.
Spot on Cal. While there was a lot of corruption under the previous regime , they were democratically elected. Many of the new regime are out and out fascists. It’s ironic to hear Kerry saying that it’s wrong for one country to invade another. What hypocrisy from the US. Putin is also playing a game with great ambitions for his economic bloc and is really playing a dangerous game.
Re Cal.
We. Best comment I have seen on the journal in a long time. You have a good way of joining up little nuggets of information.
Thanks Horgay :) I call it as i see it. In the Ukraine right now, the Ukranian people have not been told that they are facing 40% fuel price increases over the next 2 years. They have not been told that their pension payments will be reduced from $80 dollars per month to $40 dollars per month.
What the Ukranian people are being told is that the Russians are coming and be Nationalistic. This is exactly what the Nazis in Germany did the 1930′s.
This is extremely serious and is being fuelled by the US and the EU.
At the same time, all of the jewels of Ukraine are being readied for sale to US and EU investors. This is one of the worst economic crimes against a people i have ever seen. It wont be in the next 2 years this will spill over, but once the Ukranian people are left with higher fuel prices, reduced Government funds to pay for health and education, it will spill over into something very very serious and it will impact all of Europe in a very negative way. If this wrong is not adjusted immediately, it will be too late. The Nazis will lash out at either Russia, Beluarus which will result in another full blown European war.
” In the Ukraine right now, the Ukranian people have not been told that they are facing 40% fuel price increases over the next 2 years. They have not been told that their pension payments will be reduced from $80 dollars per month to $40 dollars per month.”
Well, you managed to find this out so presumably it’d be hard to keep it from million of Ukrainians.
Petr,
Do a search on the internet now for a list of the conditions being applied to the EU/IMF loan… The links are disappearing quicker than candy at a kids birthday party.
The Nazi party members are in control of the Media in Ukraine. There are links available on the internet from the last week that show pro-Russian Ukranian journalists are being murdered in Kiev (one was murdered only 6 days ago, but has not made the news in the West).
How would the people in Ukraine know what they are being landed with, without a free press and links on the internet being removed by unknown sources.
“What the Ukranian people are being told is that the Russians are coming and be Nationalistic. This is exactly what the Nazis in Germany did the 1930’s.”
So I’m assuming the Anschluss, the Sudetenland Crisis and Gleiwitz Incident and the parallels with what is now going on in Crimea have just gone way over your head. Or the suppression of anti-war demonstrations in Russia while jingoistic demonstrations are allowed to take place without incident.
If anyone is acting like the Nazi’s, it’s Russia.
Still no justification for Russia ethnically annexing Crimea.. If Crimea ends up being ceded to Russia the remaining electorate in the rest of Ukraine will more than likely lean pro EU and probably join NATO
“Cal” – hope you don’t mind me using quote marks here as I assume it’s not your real name – as you know quite well, the parliament in Kiev was democratically elected and remains so.
Cal Petr posted this link before. Now Under normal circumstances myself and Petr would not agree what day it was but in this case miracle of miracles we do.
Have a read of this and tell us what you think.
http://www.opendemocracy.net/anton-shekhovtsov/response-to-cas-mudde%E2%80%99s-Ukraine-Far-RIght-How-Real-Russia
Robin, i use my real name… I don’t hide like so many of the cowards on this thread.
The Ukranian parliament has 6 ministiries occupied by the Ukrainian Nazi party, even though they received less than 2% of the popular vote. It doesn’t sound democratic to me.
Also, some people claim that the parliament achieved the required majority to overthrow the previous president. That is a lie, they were a number of votes short. What is the point you are trying to make to me?
Mick, that article was one of the worst pieces of drivel i have ever read. It starts by saying, only Ukranians should discuss how bad the Nazi party is in Ukraine
This is a direct quote ….
‘ his article is exactly the reason why over 40 of the world’s leading specialists on the Ukrainian nationalism and extreme right have issued a statement calling ‘upon all those who have either no particular interest for, or no deeper knowledge of, Ukraine to not comment on this region’s complicated national questions ‘
So, no-one should challenge the ‘Dear Leaders’ party .. Enough said!!!!!!!
@ Cal. In the 2012 election, Svoboda won nearly 10.5 percent of the vote and 37 seats in parliament.
This may also enlighten you and the rest of those of a pro Russian slant.
http://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia/anton-shekhovtsov/provoking-euromaidan
I Would direct you to the paragraph termed the brotherhood.
Mick, just read that article too …
“The black wolf’s hook
The black wolf’s hook on yellow armbands revealed their political affiliation: the Social-National Assembly (SNA), a largely Kyiv-based neo-Nazi organisation, which hoped to register as a political party in 2011 but failed. Its leaders and ideologues are currently jailed on dubious charges.”
So basically, there are lots of Nazi groups in Kiev that were involved in turning peaceful demonstrations violent that lead to the overthrow of a democratically elected government in February. What point are you trying to make man???
Cal. I suggest you read what you just copied and pasted. The piece said that 40 of the worlds leading experts have issued a statement calling on those who have either no particular interest for, or no deeper knowledge of, Ukraine to not comment on this region’s complicated national questions without engaging in some in-depth research.’ . Now he didn’t say that people shouldn’t comment but 40 of the worlds top experts.
Cas you obviously chose to ignore the last section in the piece so I will post it here for you to read.
But, among the Right-Wing Sector troublemakers, there was one person whose presence puts the whole event in a different, albeit still obscure, perspective.
Bratstvo (Brotherhood)
This person is Dmytro Korchyns’ky, the leader of the far-right Bratstvo (Brotherhood) party, and a former leader of the paramilitary party UNA-UNSO. In Ukraine, Korchyns’ky is widely considered an agent provocateur even among the extreme right, and his Bratstvo have already taken part in several actions that were meant to provoke a police suppression of peaceful protests.
Hromadske TV reported that Korchyns’ky was ‘giving instructions’ to the members of the ‘Right-Wing Sector’ on Bankova Street on the December 1st. Although the true nature of Korchyns’ky’s relationship with the SNA, Tryzub and Bily Molot is still unclear, and his influence on the Ukrainian extreme right is still very limited, he does have friends in high places.
Korchyns’ky is closely linked to Russia. He taught a course at the explicitly pro-Putin ‘Seliger’ summer camp in Russia, in 2005. This camp was organised with the help of the Russian Presidential Administration, and was meant to train pro-Putin youngsters to counter a potential ‘Orange Revolution’ in Russia. Earlier that year, Korchyns’ky took part in the conference ‘Europe: Results of the Year of Changes’ where he said, in particular, that Russian ‘social organisations, foundations and institutions should oppose various orange efforts in its own country, as well as on the whole post-Soviet space.’ It was at this conference that Korchyns’ky first met Vladislav Surkov, the chief ideologue of Putinism, who returned in September 2013 to the Russian Presidential Administration as an ‘Overseer of Russian-Ukrainian relations.’
The godfather
Korchyns’ky has also been on friendly terms with Viktor Medvedchuk, a Ukrainian businessman and stridently pro-Russian politician, who rabidly opposes the signing of the Association Agreement between the EU and Ukraine, and, instead, supports the Russia-led Customs Union. Medvedchuk’s has close personal relations with Vladimir Putin who is the godfather of Medvedchuk’s daughter.
Couple of points:
- Svoboda would deny they are Nazis. The Nazis killed 5 million Ukrainian civilians. However Svoboda are fans of Stepan Bandera, whom Russia says sided with them. Reading wikipedia it is more complicated that that. Bandera was imprisoned by the Nazis from 1941-44 so cannot have been responsible for attrocities in that period. Secondly his OUN organisation was divided into OUN-A and OUN-B, which further confuses the chain of responsibility. Thirdly – and this is important – this came after 10 million Ukrainians had been starved to death in the Holodomor (artificial famine). So who was worse from a Ukrainian perspective?
- Nazis believed that Slavs were an inferior people to be enslaved and exterminated like the Jews.
- In Ukraine and the Baltic states, some locals sided with the Germans solely to get away from Russian domination. It didn;t always mean they agreed with the ideology.
Eamonn/Mick,
I know how many innocent people the Nazis murdered in Ukraine during the second world war. The vast majority were Jews.
Are you denying that the Nazi party in Ukraine parliament and government right now do not hold up one of the Nazi mass murderers as their role model?
I can post the link proving it, if you need it.
Any other efforts at distraction are not going to work. You guys are defending Nazis who role-model supported the extermination of nearly all Jews in Ukraine. Enough said!!!
And to the two of you … Explain this
Late January 2013, Svoboda urged Ukrainians to boycott revised Ukrainian history textbooks and give up the teaching of the Russian language in school, calling Ukrainians “to categorically refuse to study in school the language of the occupier – Russian, as a further reliable means of the assimilation of Ukrainians”.[106] On 23 February 2014, following the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, the law on regional languages was abolished, making Ukrainian the sole state language at all levels.
Did Hitler not have the history books rewritten in the 1930′s in Germany. They have a great role model.
Cal.Have you nothing to say about Dmytro Korchyns’ky and his associtation with the Russians.
Cal Russia is no position to lecture other countries on “nationalism” after Georgia and now Crimea. Moscow is the skinhead capital of Europe.
Russia offered Ukraine a bailout with a lot less conditions associated with it back in November”
- — yes definitely the Russian offer was far ahead of IMF one
” The IMF has initially indicated it would provide $27 billion, but that would be doled out over 7 years in delivery. As in typical IMF deals, most of that $27 billion would go to cover payments to western bankers first, to ensure they’re protected and covered. Little would be left to stimulate the Ukrainian economy or to relieve the average Ukrainian household.
Moreover, the ‘terms’ of the IMF deal (as any IMF deal has shown) would prove disastrous to the real economy. Already IMF officials are making it clear the rescue package would be available only with the proviso that the Ukraine cut government spending and jobs, pensions, and especially the large subsidies now provided to Ukrainian families to offset the high gas and oil costs to households”
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full article
http://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-ukraine-economic-crisis-past-present-future/
the IMF deal would ruin Ukraine – except for the oligarchs. – and it was also sated on a site – that unfortunately I did not bookmark that Ukraine would have to sell state assets – including land – this would no doubt be bought up – ironically – by bankers and other vulture capitalists .– as banks want now to control our food supply .
Cal the word “Urged” is very important. They didn’t Demand they urged. And they “called on Ukrainians” So the Urged and asked. Quite a bit different to what you are trying to imply.
Jim you say that the only Ukrainians to benefit from the IMF deal would be the Oligarchs. Yet most of the Ukrainian Oligarchs are pro Russian so how would that be in the wests favour? And for the Russian deal don’t you think those same Oligarchs such as Viktor Medvedchuk who is a personal friend of Putin’s wouldn’t benefit even more?
Cal — This is not like supporting one football team over another; you really need to calm down and try to engage with the nuance of this situation. I presume you’re not an expert on Ukraine, nor am I, and nor is anyone posting here presumably. What do you do when you’re not an expert on something? Read those who are. Anton Shekhovtsov, the Ukrainian scholar whose analysis you described as ‘drivel’ above, is a bona fide expert on Ukraine; a widely published researcher and analyst.
You wrote of his article: “It starts by saying, only Ukranians should discuss how bad the Nazi party is in Ukraine”
1. The article says nothing of the sort.
2. There is no party called The Nazi Party in Ukraine.
The statement signed by some 40 experts and scholars of Ukrainian nationalism and the far-right “called on those who have either no particular interest for, or no deeper knowledge of, Ukraine to not comment on this region’s complicated national questions without engaging in some in-depth research.”
Nobody’s being told not to comment, people are being urged to do their homework first, a call you’d do well do heed yourself.
The vast majority killed in Ukraine by the Nazis cannot have been Jews because of the 6 million Jews killed in WW2, half lived in Poland alone not including hundreds of thousands killed in Western Europe. 850,000-900,000 Ukrainian Jews died and 2.1 million non Jews. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Ukraine
Just to confirm , you sir are an idiot
The parliament is democratically elected.
They fund and support jihadist thugs in Syria, so nothing new there. The Bankster’s are willing to risk all out war to get their hands on Ukraine’s recourses.
They could have done that 20 years ago, so why now Padraic?
How you know they could’ve done 20 years ago? What are you expert of Geopolitics?
I can suggest a book to you, Grand chessboard by Zbrigniew Brzenzski, might open your mind to bigger picture Avina.
Now that Big Dave has stepped in, Putin is sure to back off.
The so called Ukrainian government was installed by a street mob and has no legitimacy why should anyone recognise it.
What’s worse, a street mob looking for a better life or a president willing to gun down his own people
Tom, as per the phone call between Catherine Ashton and the Estonian Foreign affairs minister, the Nazi party in Ukraine murdered the 10 police men and a sizeable number of the demonstrators. This was done to try and drum support for the coup against the democratically elected Ukranian Government.
Bill. The interim Government is recognised by everyone in the international community except Russia.
Really, Mick? I would think that China and others don’t recognise it.
Cal, actually doing some research on the subject would do you some good. That conversation was based off the comments of one Ukrainian doctor who’s basic conclusion was “these wounds look similar so they must have been from the same weapon”. None of his peers support this assessment as he is not a ballistics expert and as such has no authority on the subject.
Past the claims by this doctor, there is absolutely no supporting evidence to back up the claim that the demonstrators were behind the snipers.
China, Russia who else Cuba maybe or North Korea?
Jason you know that they don’t want to read that.
China and Russia together have a greater population than Europe and the US, the main supporters of the new Ukrainian government.
Other countries that are likely to back Russia or remain neutral include India, Vietnam, Iran, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Bulgaria, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia, Serbia, Argentina, Costa Rico, Mongolia, Sri Lanka, Venezuela, Mongolia, Pakistan, Syria, and Afghanistan.
The idea that the world backs Ukraine unanimously only stands up to scrutiny if you live in a west-centric bubble.
White Fang … Mick only supports democracy, if it is his democracy on his terms and supports what he wants.
Everyone else is undemocratic and supports terrorism.
Most of those countries are members or observers in intergovernmental military alliances, such as the CSO of CSTO, or have deep military and commercial association with Russia. Russia does not stand alone, whatever our windbag politicians may claim, and that’s the real danger here.
I’m sorry Cal, but I must’ve forgotten the entry in the dictionary where “democracy” includes sending troops into a foreign nation to annex a part of it whenever you feel like.
Personally, I’m neutral on the issue. I have misgivings about this interim government, but upcoming elections should fix that. I support the idea of a referendum in Crimea, but abhor Russia’s blatant aggression. At the end of the day though, my opinion is irrelevant. I’m merely pointing out that Russia has an extensive group of allies or associates in their corner. It’s incredibly naive to think otherwise.
Svoboda are not Nazis they are nationalists.
Cal re the Ashton phone call. Maybe you should be looking at the Russians and Yanokovich has to whom was doing the hiring considering what we know now about Dmytro Korchynsky and his links to the Russians and pro Russian Oligarchs.
@Jason
And there’s also plenty of footage like this showing Berkut snipers in action, but no, to Cal it all has to be a false flag conspiracy…
Avina. Check the second link I posted. It makes for very interesting reading and sheds a whole new light on who began the Violence on the Protesters side.
Mick can you define International Community
Thats what happens in revolutions Bill.
Jason, White fang, are right, a lot of experts who know sweet F.A. about Ukraine but are most frequents on here, Mick Jordan and Eamnn Colfer special try hards lol.
Same two ridicule RT but post quotes (Jordan plagiarises wiki) from Wikipedia and Opendemocracy.net, think thy experts and such comment on every single article, we’ll guess what guys, no rights no wrongs only Ukrainian people suffer because both sides: US-EU and Russia, fools.
Well Joe, wiki isn’t perfect but if you think you’re more likely to get accurate info from RT than from wiki then I guarantee that you’ll never get a full understanding of events yourself!
Who said I think? Another expert of supposition here are we?
What’s your opinion of RT then Joe?
Putin is protecting his interests. The US would do the same with better spin for the western media.
Declan, the Nazi party in Ukraine has already started targetting Homosexuals… These guys are going to make the Russians look like Angels. Any minority groups are fair game to the Nazis.
This quote from 2013 before the coup puts everything in perspective:
Member of parliament Ihor Miroshnychenko asked the head of the Kiev City State Administration Oleksandr Popov on 7 March 2013 to ban an LGBT march that was held the next day because he believed it would “contribute to promoting sexual orientation” and he further stated in his request “homosexuality provokes sexually transmitted diseases and AIDS”.[104] The 8 March rally was in fact not an LGBT march but organized by feminist organizations.[105]
Cal, you’re desperately clutching at straws here. Every nation in the world has neo-nazi or fascist groups to some extent or another. Take for example this group of Russian fascists who enjoy such wonderful past times as burning books from opposing beliefs and the usual white supremacy:
http://voronz.in.ua/recomend/7-1-14-15336
Does that mean I can now call Russia a fascist regime?
Russia is MUCH more homophobic than Ukraine. There is no country in Eastern Europe that isn’t – largely because of the Orthodox Church. The Ukrainian opposition are a mix of Catholics and Orthodox , and the latter in turn are divided into Kievan and Moscow Patriarchies (the latter under the tutelage of the Russian church which is a mouthpiece for Putin).
Example: in Russia the police turn a blind eye when gaybashing victims go to the police for help. But if gay people unfurl a gay righs banner in the street they are locked up for “gay propaganda”. Ukraine has nothing like that.
Article on Nazism in Russia here. All with the Kremlins blessing. http://americablog.com/2014/03/meet-vladimir-putin-favorite-neo-nazis-russia-crimea.html
Cal, I posted a humorous link!
Do you not get it?
Russia is a Mafia state. That’s not to demonise Russia as a country – but the actual Russian state is rotten to the core.
Cal in Ukraine the police prevented attacks on gay pride marches in Kiev whereas in Russia they have been banned as “gay propaganda”.
Are you gay Eamonn?
Hardly matters , he’s proven himself to be an idiot
It’ll be impossible to move forward if Putin fails to recognise the current Ukrainian government.
Putin accuses the new govt of being fascists. Whereas his govt is actually practicing fascism. Read hrw.org to see what it says about this totalitarian state where freedom of speech has died. saying being gay is okay is a crime, and being Muslim means the police can kill you and noone will lift a finger;
I would say that Russia isn’t fascist but it certainly is leaning that way. Elections aren’t a one-party affair but their fairness is certainly in question. Freedom of speech is curtailed but it’s not to the same extremes as in Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy. It’s the outward aggression and annexation of foreign territory that you can draw the closest parallel between Putin’s Russia and Hitler’s Germany.
They even have a youth movement called Nashi with eerie similarities to the Hitler Youth.
Also how a country with Vladimir Zhirinovsky in their parliament can lecture Ukrainians about Svoboda is beyond me.
Not surprised the city of London is caught up I a lot of Russian dealings
Cameron Putin his oar in yet again.
Mahathma camerondhi
Remember how the Hungarian revoltionaries in 1956 were accused by Russia of being “fascists”?
Irony of ironiies. Russians in Crimea warning the Tatars against “separatism”!
“Russian nationalists say that a Tatar separatist movement has taken root in the region.”The Tatars should watch their step now,” said Alexander Zhilkin, a 46-year-old businessman from the city of Bakhchisaray who carried a Russian national flag to protest the presence of a Ukrainian military unit in Simferopol. “They keep talking of gaining their own autonomy within Crimea, but now that our people are in power here we won’t allow any separatism inside our republic.”"
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-crimea-tatars-20140306,0,835922.story#axzz2vVnIpp00
Just read must of the comments and some of the links.
It is a very complex situation.
Firstly i believe Cameron is toothless and really just an appeaser. He will not risk any damage to the city of London.
As i understand it the Ukrainian parliament is democratically elected and the ex president was a puppet of Putin.
I think neo nazis probably played a role in uprisings and are politically active and have some relevance but this is overstated.
The real issue is poverty and corruption in the ukraine and the up to recently idealogical conflict between the west orientated Ukraine and the Russian/Putin orientated Ukraine with extremists on both sides.
But the Eu /Usa are only marginally better than the Russians as they do have an open media and are “proper” democracies. Putin is basically a tyrant but a successful one who is out manoeuvring the West again and again.
My opinion is that Eu/Usa have really messed up and have betrayed Ukraine mostly through incompetence greed and cowardice just as eastern Europe was betrayed after second world war.
Ukraine’s best option is lay low and prepare for a long drawn out war against the occupying Russians for freedom. The Russians will call them terrorists and the West will call them freedom fighters…irony of ironies…..
Video of Berkut firing on protesters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2BhE4sxgNk
Very interesting video.
All the gang who have shares in oil and are laughing all the way to the Bank.
If were the Baltic states or Poland I would be very nervous about fellow NATO members preparedness to come to their defence given the betrayal of the commitments of the US and UK to protect Ukraine when they surrendered their nukes in 1994.;
have your say