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'Traditional marketing is dead or irrelevant' - American Apparel's marketing guru

Meet Ryan Holiday: self-confessed media manipulator, author and the marketing brain behind one of the world’s edgiest brands.

YOU PROBABLY KNOW American Apparel.

They have a shop on Grafton Street and sell very cool clothes to very cool people. They also have sexagenarian models and mannequins that have pubic hair.

On top of that, they are a fully vertically-integrated company. The clothes they make are fabricated in the same building that the CEO works from, this Los Angeles headquarters:

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Far from using sweatshop labour like many of their competitors, American Apparel pays sewers an average of $12 an hour, pays for classes so workers can learn English, loans them bikes and offers health insurance.

What you probably don’t know is that the company’s marketing director is just 26 years old, is currently finishing his third book and is one of the most in-demand speakers at marketing conferences around the globe.

This week, Ryan Holiday came to the DMX Dublin marketing conference in Dublin’s Aviva Stadium. His presentation, “Don Draper is Dead” talked about growth-hacking, a marketing strategy that allows start-ups gain exposure without a traditional marketing budget.

Rather than focusing on marketing, the companies tend to focus on growth, such as Hotmail including “PS I Love You” with a link advertising the service at the bottom or referral schemes like the one Dropbox offers.

Holiday characterises a lot of what he does as Growth Hacker Marketing, to the point that that’s the title of his second book. But, is traditional marketing dead?

“I would consider [traditional marketing] dead or irrelevant for the majority of new companies.

Not only was it designed for a different media environment, it was designed and perfected to help big companies get a little bit bigger.

“Nowadays, we’re trying to take a start-up from nothing to something and that’s a different kind of animal.”

Holiday cites the example of Instagram, which was a geo-location network that was popular for the photo filter feature, flipped what it was doing mid-stream and became a billion-dollar company. Had they sunk $15 million dollars into advertising early on, Holiday argues, they would not have been as lean or as flexible.

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And what about his own job? What makes American Apparel a marketer’s dream?

Because we’re a vertically-integrated fashion company that makes its own products in the same building that the marketers work in means that the people who are doing the marketing are more intimately familiar with the product.

But, when you’re paying about 12 times an hour what others are paying a day, that impacts on your budget for marketing. Not that you’ll hear Holiday complain that the playing field isn’t level.

Sometimes I think, and this is the title of my next book, the obstacle is the way.

“So this impediment, not having the money, allows you to try things that others would think are not kosher or were too controversial or too risky.”

Ah, controversy. Something the man who has a bestselling book entitled Trust Me, I’m Lying, knows a little something about.

But, is the controversy contrived? Not necessarily, but it’s certainly not unwelcome.

“We don’t have to think about the things that other companies don’t have to think about.

“When you’re spending $100 million on an advertising campaign, that makes you conservative.”

In essence, that sums up Holiday’s message. That being the underdog, the start-up or the small business, needn’t be an impediment, if you’re willing to take chances.

“Marketing isn’t about taking some boring, watered down product and tricking a couple more people into trying it.”

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    Mute SarsfieldsAlive
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    Oct 25th 2014, 3:49 PM

    Parnell street in limerick and dublin have a lot in ccommon, horrible streets and a no noo after dark.

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    Oct 25th 2014, 4:56 PM

    Parnell St?? Don’t you mean ‘The Strip’??

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    Oct 25th 2014, 7:31 PM

    Parnell St Limerick most times of the day or night is like a scene from a Zombie movie, comatose creatures staggering around aimlessly, randomly threatening violence…..

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    Oct 25th 2014, 9:56 PM

    Aye both need a good sorting out vis a vis the clientele. Some way we honoured the man!

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    Oct 26th 2014, 4:19 PM

    Aye true Kane, that is more like O’Connelll Street and Grafton Street in Dublin.

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    Oct 25th 2014, 4:36 PM

    If I had my way, I’d build the biggest prison the world has ever seen, and fill it to the top. This country is a joke when it comes to justice.

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    Oct 25th 2014, 3:57 PM

    Good lord, what is going on? I can’t really comment on the case itself, but these attacks (head injuries in the early hours) are becoming way to frequent and it’s just a matter of time before there is a fatality.

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    Oct 25th 2014, 4:18 PM

    Fatality or not, there will be little justice for the perpetrators of these crimes. Our justice system is a joke. May this lady have a speedy recovery

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    Oct 25th 2014, 4:34 PM

    Matter of time ?. This has already happened on a number of occasions. Remember the journalist who died from
    Head injuries sustained after an attack.
    The accused had his sentence postponed until he finished his FAS course. Imagine it a convicted killer allowed to finish a course. Ireland is beyond a joke

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    Oct 25th 2014, 5:59 PM

    A case of a Tullamore man put a Bean Garda out of work for 18 months after responding to reports of two men kicking Taxis and breaking windows. Judge Carmel Stewart imposed a 240 hour Community Service Order on the 23 year old. Second case this week where a Garda was seriously injured and the sentence was Community Service. WTF ! Only in Ireland !

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    Oct 25th 2014, 4:26 PM

    This is getting a lot of publicity and I’m wondering why? Happening every night of the week around the country but It seems the media loves a story about Limerick.

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    Oct 25th 2014, 4:42 PM

    Its been a long time since the media had anything remotely juicy from Limerick. Not since the good people there stood up to the s*um who tried to take over.I don’t remember a murder in the city in over a year.Considering its unfair rep thats not bad.Infact its probably the safest city in Ireland at the moment.

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    Oct 25th 2014, 4:49 PM

    The journal has been pretty good reporting on a lot of the positives in life limerick this year too to be fair

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    Oct 25th 2014, 5:09 PM

    @Catherine. Not singling out the Journal. The media in general like to see Limerick as if its still in the dark days.There is a lot still to be done there but you can almost feel the change in the city.I know stories have to be reported but there seems to be a particular slant put on them when its Limerick.

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    Oct 25th 2014, 5:36 PM

    Well there was a huge water protest in Limerick today, obviously not news worthy.

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    Oct 25th 2014, 5:53 PM

    Yes but there are still reports weekly from the national media about incidents in Limerick that are otherwise ignored when they happen elsewhere. Limerick is by no means perfect but it gets far more attention from the media in proportion to its population.

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    Oct 25th 2014, 6:24 PM

    paddy
    last murder in limerick was 3 years ago

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    Oct 25th 2014, 8:58 PM

    Well I do think the journals reporting has been pretty balanced this year . Limerick is a much quiter nicer place these days . I was on Parnell street last night but it must have happened after I left. There is always a strong Garda presence on that street too it has to be said.

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    Oct 26th 2014, 4:21 PM

    Live in Dublin myself, originally from Limerick. New shooting/crash/stabbing/fire every single morning. Every morning. Not one day has the radio not reported an incident.

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    Oct 25th 2014, 3:48 PM

    Fine gael memo

    Find a link to Sinn Fein
    If you can’t, make one up

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    Oct 25th 2014, 3:49 PM

    No need to make jokes of a woman assaulted

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    Oct 25th 2014, 3:55 PM

    With this level of paranoia the Shinners are clearly very upset this week.

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    Oct 25th 2014, 3:59 PM

    No need to exploit a woman assualted but Inda does!

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    Oct 25th 2014, 5:49 PM

    Women are worse than any fellas for fighting dangerous bitc*es

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    Oct 25th 2014, 3:43 PM

    Enda will be exhausted

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    Oct 25th 2014, 3:46 PM

    lmfao

    enda is at her bedside…………….

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    Oct 25th 2014, 3:59 PM

    You find the assault of a woman a suitable topic for “a laugh”? Says much about your misogyny.

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    Oct 25th 2014, 4:05 PM

    ahippo
    making things up again……………..oh i forgot, you’re fine gael

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