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Ukraine far-right leader shot dead in gunfight with police

Oleksandr Muzytchko, better known as “Sashko Bilyi”, died after a gun battle with Ukrainian elite police.

UKRAINIAN ELITE POLICE have shot dead a far-right nationalist leader in the western city of Rivne in a shootout that erupted during a raid to arrest him, the government has said.

Oleksandr Muzytchko, better known as “Sashko Bilyi”, the head of Pravy Sektor (Right Sector) in western Ukraine, opened fire first, deputy interior minister Volodymyr Evdokimov said.

The gunfight broke out at a cafe on last night when the “Sokol” special forces went in to arrest Muytchko, who had been wanted for organised crime, Evdokimov said.

Pravy Sektor played a crucial role in the frontlines of deadly protests that unseated pro-Moscow president Viktor Yanukovych last month and has been branded a neo-Nazi organisation by Russia.

After the uprising, pro-Kremlin forces seized control from Ukraine of ethnic Russian-dominated Crimea, as Moscow said it reserved the right to protect its compatriots from extremists.

Speaking at a news conference today, Evdokimov said the bullet that killed Muzytchko had come from his own gun.

The security forces shot him twice in the leg, and he suffered three other bullet wounds while on the ground in a struggle with them, the interior deputy minister said.

“One wonders if he committed suicide or if his adversaries shot at him,” he said.

Three of Muzytchko’s accomplices, who had been armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifle and a Makarov pistol, were arrested in the same operation and taken to Kiev pending an investigation.

Pravy Sektor on Saturday formed a political party, and Dmytro Yarosh was elected its leader and put forward as its candidate in Ukraine’s presidential election on May 25.

Reacting to Muzytchko’s death, Yarosh demanded the sacking of Interior Minister Arsen Avakov and the arrest of the commander of the “Sokol” forces behind the operation.

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The leader of the ‘Right Sector’ Dmytro Yarosh [AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky]

At a news conference, Yarosh denounced “the counter-revolutionary” moves against the pro-European movement that ousted Yanukovych, and against the “vanguard of the revolution, Pravy Sektor”.

He accused Russia’s FSB security service of being behind the operations.

Avakov, for his part, said Ukraine was ready to confront “bandits”.

Asked if he was referring to Pravy Sektor, the interior minister said that “true patriots defend the state borders with arms in their hands.”

“Those who illegally enter companies or private apartments are bandits… especially if they hold unregistered guns in their hands.”

Russia had issued an arrest warrant for Muzytchko on suspicion that he fought alongside Islamists in the war in Chechnya where he was responsible for the deaths of 20 Russian soldiers, according to Russian news agencies.

The heavily built Muzytchko was notorious for YouTube videos in which he was seen brandishing a Kalashnikov in Rivne’s City Council, and roughing up the city’s prosecutor.

© AFP, 2014

Read: Outnumbered: Ukrainian troops withdraw from Crimea

Also: Russia seizes another Crimean military base

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    Mute linda o neill
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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:30 PM

    He lead the protests that got rid of Yanokovich … Guess Putin was right so all along … These are bandits

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:56 PM

    nope about 5 % vote far right there and it was seen at 5-10% in protests were far right. Just normal people there mostly exactly like us

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:47 PM

    Re Tom

    What is the source for 5-10% at protest were far right? That’s way off the mark. Those thugs who threw molotov cocktails at riot police in Kiev and ransacked government buildings were not 5-10% of the protesters, they were the vast majority of the protesters.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:53 PM

    Well around 35% they reckon. 35% too many. A few more accidents would be helpful.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:13 PM

    Mick
    People have being saying there were fascist’s at play in Ukraine all along. You support these fascist thugs that makes you a nazi supporter there really is no two ways about it.
    Do you wear docs and a bomber jacket , shaved head the lot ?

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:18 PM

    Must be sickening to have got it so wrong Glen. What does Crow taste like. Eat up now.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:22 PM

    Mick Gowan out of that hitler lover

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:40 PM

    Meanwhile in Moscow
    http://huff.to/1h4KKLw

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:42 PM

    Far right like you Tom. Are you a fascist too?

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:43 PM

    Are you a fascist supporter Mick?

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:47 PM

    Hardly Nicole. But neither am I a Socialist. I would be what you would call a Conservative.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 7:10 AM

    Nicole, I’m sure the irony of calling others fascists while wishing the police kill more people when trying to apprehend them is completely lost on you.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 2:47 PM

    What the hell are you Nicole -a republican Marxist leninist??

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:33 PM

    The bandits are turning on each other already.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:48 PM

    Looking a bit foolish now Ancient. Where are all the Nazis that are supposedly in charge in Kiev?
    But yet what do we have. Police sent to arrest the leader of Right Sector. Would it be that ordinary democratic parties are in charge in Kiev and are enforcing the law as it’s laid down? Shock. Myself and the others that support Ukrainian democracy were right.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:51 PM

    No one set of bandits are now disposing of the competition. The muscle thug element has served its purpose and is now surplus to requirements.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:58 PM

    SS got rid of SA History repeating itself……. spooky

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:01 PM

    Is that the best you can come up with Ancient. Law and Order is being restored by the Moderate interim Ukrainian Government. The Russian “Nazi’s are in power” myth has just taken a nose dive.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:14 PM

    Ahh Mick, still harping on about democracy lol, why are we all caring about Ukraine and it’s fight for Democracy, it’s a dirty old game whether you viewing from a Washington POV or a Moscow POV, either way the the ordinary Ukrainian has and will suffer, same goes for the Crimeans.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:15 PM

    There is nothing ordinary or Democratic about Svoboda by the way!

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:19 PM

    They are calling for Ukraine to be made militarily nuclear again, achievable in 3-6 months apparently, and what about the media darling Yulia Tymoschenko caught saying she would love to exterminate all Russian-Ukrainians…

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:39 PM

    Joe, Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal in 1994 in a deal in which Russia pledged to respect Ukraine’s borders.
    Understandably enough after recent events they want a deterrent back as Russia has decided to change the rules.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:54 PM

    Yeah, they make noises like that and no one bats an eyelid, Iran on the other hand…

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    Mar 26th 2014, 7:12 AM

    They have every right to. They gave up their nuclear arsenal under the condition that the US and Russia would respect their territorial integrity and sovereignty. Now that Russia has blatantly violated this treaty it isn’t worth the paper it’s written on so I can understand that the Ukrainians want a harder guarantee.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:39 PM

    The Crimean people are better off away from all that.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:10 PM

    No they are not, swapping tyranny for tyranny unfortunately, the enemy of my enemy and all that.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:36 PM

    Thats why half the Ukranian army and Navy in Crimea have applied to join the Russian army rather than move to bases in Ukraine. The poor gits must be terrified of what is going on in Ukraine with these Nazi thugs in Government.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 7:13 AM

    So Glen, I’m sure the fact that Russia is passing legislation making it illegal to criticise the annexation of Crimea is completely lost on you?

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:49 PM

    It’s people like him that the EU should have thought about before supporting an undemocratic coup.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:13 PM

    How was it undemocratic?

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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:54 PM

    Donny. That video is 2 weeks old. Things have moved on since then.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:06 PM

    What are the Russians and their supporters on here going to say about the Elections due in 6 weeks? This action by the Police has shown that there are no “Nazi’s in Charge” so they are really going to struggle with a newly Elected President and Government in place to think up some sort of slander.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:34 PM

    I agree, the “Western backed fascist putsch” claim is demonstrably false. The West would be insane to back a Far Right government in Ukraine, considering how hostile the Far Right are to Poland. But I think its imperative that the West provides adequate support to Ukrainian moderates to ensure the Far Right do not gain ground.

    I think people see right through Right Sector. But Svoboda could gain ground. I think this would undermine the entire Maidan movement.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:43 PM

    Mick sane ole US BS. You believe anything your Washington masters spout out. If the agreement reached between the democrats and an election held in May, the Crimea would still be part of Ukraine. Yanks won’t take on the Russians. They have to fight real army then.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:44 PM

    Lol….russian supporters…it is not about russia or the eu its about right and wrong..mick u admitted you supported the slaughter in iraq……you are even worse than the far right..

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:45 PM

    Tony. The vast majority of Ukrainians are intelligent enough to know who is who and what they represent. Ukrainian political experts put the extreme right vote in Ukraine at less than 6%. They want a democratic pro western government in place and Russian actions have guaranteed that no pro Russian candidate will ever gain power again.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:02 PM

    Ah Mick. They shot him after the police got reports of some fighting at a local pub/restaurant. They attempted to arrest him but he started shooting do they took him out. So your theory that the less extreme fascists took him out is nonsense. Anyway we will probably have the first fascist state in Europe in a few weeks. Thanks and well done US

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:07 PM

    @Nicole McCormack

    The fact that the police tried to arrest him shows that the Ukrainian government is cracking down on thugs. Most of the Maidan protestors were ordinary Ukrainian citizens. As for totalitarian states, Europe has two of them: Russia and Belarus.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:13 PM

    Bull Ciaran and you just keep the foolish US propaganda up. Wait until they start to clamp down on minorities such as Jews and gays.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:14 PM

    I didn’t know you were there Nicole. Why didn’t you tell us and give the correct version to the Journal to print instead of this “UKRAINIAN ELITE POLICE have shot dead a far-right nationalist leader in the western city of Rivne in a shootout that erupted during a raid to arrest him”. I didn’t realise they sent SWAT teams to deal with pub brawls

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:17 PM

    Wow your a gear ad for Fox News. Try watch euro news or some similar TV channel.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:19 PM

    great

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:20 PM

    You’re probably right Mick. They will certainly reject Right Sector. But Svoboda could make gains. Their leader (cannot spell his name) is very charismatic. They have officially dropped the Nazi stuff but remain extremely right wing, but use more neutral language. They made significant gains in the last elections also. Couple this with the weakness of the interim government and the harsh austerity on its way, and Svoboda could be a force to be reckoned with. Though they won’t get into power this time, a strong polling would give them more legitimacy than they deserve.

    People need to realise that not everything is a US conspiracy. Destabilisation in the region serves nobody. But like many post-revolutions, unless adequate resources are provided to moderates, extremist voices start being listened to.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:26 PM

    I don’t like to be rude on social media or to get annoyed but you Nicole really are the biggest gobsh1te I’ve ever come across. “US masters” “EU payroll” you should try living under a totalitarian regime instead of spouting your nonsense from your cosy middle class home using your US made technology.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:28 PM

    Nicole the Russians have anti gay laws, they do not allow any kind of opposition or criticism of Putin. They throw dissenters and the intelligentsia in jail. Freedom of press is denied.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:37 PM

    Jason you need to go to bed. Bit late for silly boys to be up annoying adults.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:38 PM
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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:39 PM

    Nicole, euronews, your favourite source for news is owned by the British and the EU

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euronews

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:41 PM

    Do you deny that Russia has anti gay laws? Do you deny that Russia does not allow freedom of Press?

    @ Nicole

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:43 PM

    Bedtime for you

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:45 PM

    @Nicole McCormack

    “Bull Ciaran and you just keep the foolish US propaganda up.”

    In the Comments section below the following article, you called me a Fox News reporter.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/crimea-ukraine-withdrawal-retreat-troops-russia-1379129-Mar2014/

    I don’t receive Fox News at home. I watch ITV News, which is produced by ITN, and BBC News. The initials ITN stand for Independent Television News. Therefore, the comments that I have made do not constitute propaganda.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:50 PM

    Great answer. Your intelligence astounds me. Can’t answer the question?

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:52 PM

    Hahahahaha errrrr sorry.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:04 PM

    Nicole. We are going to need to have a word with Nurse Rachet about letting you near the computer.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:44 PM

    Here’s some Russian tv for ya
    http://huff.to/1h4KKLw

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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:02 PM

    That’s Moscow you tw*t

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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:17 PM

    @Jason Davis

    “Great answer. Your intelligence astounds me. Can’t answer the question?”

    I was replying to the allegation that Nicole made. The allegation was that I was “keeping the foolish US propaganda up”. I was proving that my comments do not constitute propaganda.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:26 PM

    Ciaran I don’t think he was replying to you but Nicole.
    Nice post btw Richard. I really liked this bit from the Chief Rabbi of Ukraine.
    “Yaakov Dov Bleich, a chief rabbi of Ukraine, also said earlier this month that the attacks may be provocations by pro-Russian forces seeking to delegitimise the Ukrainian revolution.”

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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:44 PM

    @Mick Jordan

    “Ciaran I don’t think he was replying to you but Nicole.”

    Thank you.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 9:17 AM

    Hi ciaran, that was aimed at Nicole, the Putin apologist. Sorry if there was. Mix up.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 5:55 PM

    @Jason Davis

    Thank you.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:35 PM

    Brilliant news. A lot of decent people will sleep a bit easier tonight. There is still 4 fascists in the present illegal government. Elections should be called and let democracy take its place. If Ukraine wishes to become a fascist state well let them at it

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:48 PM

    Nicole. I said yesterday you were a few weeks behind the rest of us and that statement proves it.
    There are Elections in 6 weeks time.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:57 PM

    Thanks for the update Mick. You really do keep up with Fox News then. The first casualty of war is the truth. You still believe in Santa?

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:03 PM

    Don’t be insulting Santa!

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:10 PM

    Nicole you are going to look extremely stupid in May when the election are taking place. Remember your words here. Because you can be sure I will remind you.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:15 PM

    He will Nicole
    Mick never forgets!!
    Probably has files on all of us..

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:29 PM

    Mick, she is as thick as a ditch. Ignore the fool.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:36 PM

    Ah leave mick alone
    Everyone has to have a village idiot around for laughs now and again.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:41 PM

    How’s that Crow Glen? Finished eating it yet? Must be hard to swallow!!

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:43 PM

    Finished eating your Crow already Glen? We will have get some more for you.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:48 PM

    You really get annoyed Mick when you are proved wrong !

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:59 PM

    Proved Right you mean. LOL
    I belive one of your compariots White Fang said “Pravy Sektor are much more Liberal than Svoboda” and you agreed with him. Got that bady wrong then. Dohhh.
    Like you said I dont forget.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:01 PM

    No I didn’t BS prove it

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:46 PM

    Haha true Glen. Prob thinks he’s one of them Navy Seals. More like a Yankee puppet.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:59 PM

    Nice one Nicole. According to you I am in the CIA. So which is it?

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    Mar 26th 2014, 12:10 AM

    Glen yes Mick Jordan has a file on anyone who opposes him but more sinister last night he announced that he knows exactly where someone wining an argument with him lives

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    Mar 26th 2014, 12:21 AM

    No Bill I simply asked them a question.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 12:23 AM

    What? Report this fantasist Jordan to the Gardai! Id say they have a file on him already, probably failed to get in there so he joined the prison service, fails at debating, trolling and just fails in general, thats why he’s married on facebook to a thai ladyboy bride the other side of the world!! LOL

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    Mar 26th 2014, 12:23 AM

    And guess what, she cant speak FA english, convenient for him haha..

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    Mar 26th 2014, 12:27 AM

    Is that all you have Joe. Pretty poor. I am disappointed.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 3:31 AM

    Mick proves himself a liar once more. Me and Glen are hardly compatriots. We agree on some things, disagree on others.

    What I actually said was the Right Sector are less neo-Nazi than Svoboda and have distanced themselves from them over their blatant racism. Right Sector are far right, as I appropriately labeled them.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 6:13 AM

    So you did say they were more liberal than Svoboda. No getting away from it White Fang.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 7:11 AM

    Well in your mind you are in the CIA and a navy seal. Do you get much time out these days?

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    Mar 26th 2014, 12:12 PM

    Nicole. I know you have a short memory span but you should at least read your own comments.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 1:25 PM

    No, I didn’t. You’re a liar. Go find the comment, if I did. You spend all day on the Journal anyway, so I’m sure you have the time to through all my old comments.

    I know for a fact that I described them as ‘less fascist’. A liar and manipulator if truth like you would see that as ‘more liberal’, of course.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 11:26 PM

    White Fang. You do realise that sounds like “only a little bit pregnant”.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:58 PM

    The killing of Muzytchko shows that the Ukrainian government is cracking down on criminals, no matter what the affiliation of the criminals. Ordinary Ukrainian citizens constituted the vast majority of the Maidan protestors.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:17 PM

    Ciaran. They don’t want to hear that. It destroys their Nazi theory. Something they have been screaming from the beginning

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:59 PM

    Good f**king riddance to bad f**king rubbish. Hopefully that war mongering slapper tymoshenko who has been recorded hoping to nuke Russians, will be next.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:18 PM

    The wicked witch of the east got caught out. She was being rolled out as the moderate voice of reason. Blew up in their faces like a cheap cigar.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:20 PM

    Is she in Government Ancient? Has she been Elected yet? Did we all miss the Election?

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:25 PM

    Who said she was elected? Her credibility with the Russian speakers and ethnic Russians in Ukraine is now in tatters.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:33 PM

    And as She is a private citizen that means what?

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:39 PM

    Mick, when you are explaining you are losing … why is that so hard for you to understand? Give it up .. The whole world sees that the Nazis are in control in Kiev … they are carrying out a putsch against their potential rivals. There have been many other murders to date and many more to come… They are just not being reported on your favorite FOX news channel.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:47 PM

    Hi Cal. Still here with my Account. Looks like your report was in vain.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:48 PM

    I imagine she would have run in the election but now her plan may be scuppered. The powermongers in Kiev used these thugs in a similar way that paisley used the UDA. Once they served his propose he then disassociated himself from them.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:55 PM

    How do you know if someone reports you Mick?

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:01 PM

    Cal told me and everyone else for that matter. But nice try Ancient.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:06 PM

    I wasn’t trying to be smart Mick I thought you got notified by mods or something.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:58 PM

    You even understand what free press is Cal ? Where u get your news Russia today or David icke boards as for us here in the decadent west there is a broad CHOICE of news outlets . But there you are with your pom poms cheerleading state controlled media.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:05 PM

    Richard. Cal lives in the US. Wants all the freedoms he gets there but doesnt want the people of Ukraine to have the same freedoms. Typical liberal lefti. Talks the Talk but wont walk the walk.
    What was that line from Animal Farm?. “All Animals are equal. Just some are more equal than others”

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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:20 PM

    Yeah Russia’s so great why not run back to her skirts? Oh yeah that’s right she’s the vidka soaked Krokodil addled bint run by kleptocrats with the lowest life expectancy in Europe highest hug rate in Europe no free press , who criminalises the gays
    Send us a postcard ..

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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:20 PM

    Vodka

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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:21 PM

    Highest hiv rate deffo not highest hug rate :-)

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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:25 PM

    Night comrades spellcheck can’t spare me I’m out , good luck on the Death Star with your imperious leader .

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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:44 PM
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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:46 PM

    Oh, I forgot to mention. That report was from BEFORE half the Ukrainian army defected to Russia.

    I hear Transnistria is getting restless now. The fun is just beginning.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 11:59 PM

    Half the Ukrainian army? Can we see the proof of that claim?

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    Mar 26th 2014, 12:18 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ41YQnm01Q&html5=1&hd=1

    Now Odessa (among other places) is demanding a referendum. Go Putin!

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    Mar 26th 2014, 12:32 AM

    Donny. All your Videos are weeks old. Don’t you have anything up to date?

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    Mar 26th 2014, 12:57 AM

    Donny, don’t bother feeding the troll …

    Jordan thinks the murder of 1 million civilians between Iraq and Afghanistan is legitimate, as long as Halliburton is trying to spread democracy to the oil wells of those countries.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 1:03 AM

    Again with the million. Where does it come from?

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    Mar 26th 2014, 1:10 AM

    And again … you didn’t offer a more accurate number …. so i take it that you don’t give a crap about civilian murders by your favorite armies of democracy.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 1:29 AM

    You are the one making up numbers. I am simply asking where you are getting it from? I could claim Russia murdered 10,000 people in Crimea. But thats all it would be a claim. So where did you get 1million from?

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    Mar 26th 2014, 1:42 AM

    How many did they murder Mick…. Give us a number that is an acceptable civilian murder rate to bring democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan. I won’t hold my breath, you are great at asking questions and making statements without basis, but won’t back any of your arguments up with real data … Halliburton & the US don’t do civilian statistics. Its not good for PR.

    I will give you data, and links, but you will just dispute them anyway … not good PR to discuss any articles relating to civilian body counts .. right Mick? Again, i will ask you, how many civilian murders are an acceptable body count for Halliburton and the US?

    Just Iraq: …

    A December 1, 2011 CBS Evening News report told viewers that “more than 50,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in the war” (FAIR Action Alert, 12/2/11). This figure was sourced to iCasualties.org, which had one of the lowest estimates of civilian casualties at the time and warned readers that the number was probably a severe undercount.
    The “corrected” figure that CBS put forth 11 days later was 115,676 civilians killed, and sourced to Iraq Body Count–still one of the most conservative estimates to be found (FAIR Activism Update, 12/13/11).

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    Mar 26th 2014, 6:09 AM

    One question. Were those numbers down to sectarian violence caused by Iraqi Shia and Sunni militias or by direct US military action?

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    Mar 26th 2014, 6:11 AM

    Btw. 115,000 is a long way from 1 million.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:18 PM

    Sitting here laughing to myself.
    How so many fell hook line and sinker for the Kremlin line that “Nazi’s were in power” and then the actions of the authorities in Kiev blow that theory out of the water. I am surprised that you all aren’t sick from trying to spin this story so much to save face.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 1:01 AM

    Mick, i do honestly picture you, with your face still covered, sitting in a dark room laughing away to yourself…
    I hope Halliburton is paying you well for your efforts.. People die every time that company plans another invasion or starts another war in the interests of spreading democracy.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:27 PM

    What a loss to humanity.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:30 PM

    He’s in heaven now

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:36 PM

    Yeah he’ll. be missed “like a hole in the head”. – . Sorry about that!

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:36 PM

    yeah but he was useful up to the last few days…..now that he served his purpose the moderates decided it was time for him to go. he wouldn’t fit in with the image of the new Ukraine…… politics is a funny old game.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:48 PM

    Bingo.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:04 PM

    Good one, Tim.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 7:30 PM

    The Russians are on the march…….

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:32 PM

    I would say “will be on the march” if someone doesn’t restore order internally in Ukraine.

    Putin is no fool, and is ten moves ahead in this game of chess with the West.
    He is running rings around his counterparts in G7 member countries.

    And when dust finally settles over Crimea, will new order in Ukraine be another puppet of Russia or a true blue
    Ukrainian, acceptable to all?

    If the 80% non Russians in Ukraine get their act together, and elect a squeaky clean democratic government there, Russia would welcome Ukr being part of EU, IMO.

    This would be good for stability in the region and good for international business on all fronts.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 8:46 PM

    And santa and his elves are joining them….feckin ejit..lol

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:20 PM

    FFS another one insulting Santa and his elves

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:25 PM

    The person calling himself Mick Jordan is spending up to fourteen hours a day possibly more commenting on Ukrainian related issues Would advise caution last night he identified where an opponent on this forum lives.
    Methinks there is more than one Mick Jordan.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:35 PM

    ROFLMAO.

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:38 PM

    Yeah CIA

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:38 PM

    Bill
    I hope not one is bad enough !

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:18 PM

    I see. So we’ve gone from swallowing amateurish propaganda to witch hunting. That didn’t take long. Do yous think Mick was also responsible for downing that Malaysian flight? Funny how many times he has been accused of toeing the Fox News line when y’all could do with diversifying your own news sources if you’re still on this nazi putsch nonsense. It’s not funny any more. It scares me that people are buying Russia’s line on this (even more so because many of you seem to be frothing at the mouth about it)

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:23 PM

    Look mr dogooder
    If mick can’t take it then he shouldn’t be dishing it out !!

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    Mar 25th 2014, 10:28 PM

    Glen I am enjoying watching you all run in circles trying to spin this story.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 7:21 AM

    It is actually quite funny and a little sad to watch you all struggle on this one. Even some of the most hardline Putin lovers of previous threads have decided to abandon this topic rather than pump out the same outdated and debunked rubbish.

    The removal of Yanukovych being illegal has been debunked, the Maiden protesters hiring snipers has been debunked, the new government being neo-Nazi’s has been debunked and the so-called “referendum” in Crimea has been debunked and shown to be illegal. Yet it’s the same rhetoric on every story and we’re the bad guys for pointing out the holes in your arguments.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 12:35 PM

    Jason. Cal said to me the other night “None are so blind as those that will not see”. Rather apt I think for those that keep repeating the Kremlin’s mantra in the face of fact.

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    Mar 26th 2014, 2:54 PM

    Well done Glen -despite great competition -you win the troller of the month award…Plenty of roubles coming your way no doubt – pity they are virtually worthless!!!

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    Mar 25th 2014, 9:40 PM

    Good riddance, but shame similar like Adams are still walking around

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    Mar 26th 2014, 3:05 PM

    For all those willing to believe conspiracy theories on RT – does the following not strike you as strange. For three months, popular protests were held in Kiev – in the face of a violent crackdown by police but without much bloodshed. Suddenly as Putin’s showcase Olympics come to an end (ring a bell history students?) -the crackdown is intensified and results in the deaths of over a 100 protesters in a few days. Putin manages to annex Crimea in less than a month following claims of a fascist coup. He just happens to have thousands of Russian soldiers massing on the border of Ukraine in a pre-arranged military exercise. Annexations do not happen overnight. This has been planned for months….

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    Mar 26th 2014, 6:07 PM

    How many millions did they spend on Sochi ? Now there was a waste no amount of cash can convince the rest of the world of Russia’s modern dynamic society Lol , still it’ll make a nice holiday home for one of his cronies , maybe be the next venue for the now famous and important BRICS conference . See the Jews beginning to pop up as a ” problem ” on RT newspeak how very anti nazi if them . The doublespeak would be laughable if it wasn’t so repugnant.

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