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Fergus O'Dowd spoke for the government in the Dáil today. Screengrab/Oireachtas TV

Minister nominated for 'brass neck of the year' as TDs row about Seanad reform

Fianna Fáil’s proposal to overhaul the upper house will be opposed by the government.

MEMBERS OF THE travelling community, the elderly, people with disabilities, and representatives from the sporting and art worlds should be voted into the Seanad, according to the latest proposal to reform the upper house.

Today Fianna Fáíl’s Seanad Reform Bill 2014 went through the ‘second stage’ in the Dáil, but the government has said it will oppose the measures in the Bill.

Fianna Faíl leader Micheál Martin said that at the core of the Bill is “the objective of making our political system more democratic and more accountable”.

He noted that events of this week, from Garda Commissioner Martin Callinan’s resignation to revelations of phone tapping at Garda stations, had “shown yet again how badly we need real reform”.

‘Cynical’

Martin accused the government of staging “the most cynical poster campaign ever held” before last year’s referendum on the future of the Seanad.

He said that the only way “to rebuild a parliament worthy of public support is to listen to the demand for substantive reform”.

The Bill proposes extending Seanad voting rights on the higher education panel to graduates of all recognised universities and colleges, and looks into extending the franchise to Irish people living abroad.

‘Disgraceful’

Independent TD Finian McGrath supported the Bill, saying that the government had engaged in a “disgraceful campaign” to promote the abolition of the Seanad.

He said that there needed to be “new and fresh talent” in the Seanad and supported the proposal of voting in currently “ignored” representatives of people with disabilities, the elderly and the Travelling community.

He described the elderly as “the backbone of Irish society” and said that Travellers are “marginalised and experience racism every single day” – something that “should not be tolerated in any democratic country”.

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Speaking on behalf of the government, Junior Minister Fergus O’Dowd said the coalition did not support the Bill and refuted “the content, the tone and the hypocrisy” of Martin (above).

He accused Fianna Fáil of engaging in “lame duck politics” and told Martin he was “noted by your absence rather than your presence” in the Dáil.

When this comment was met with shouts from some Fianna Fáil members, O’Dowd said: “I appreciate that your presence here is rare so perhaps you want to be recorded on the sound system”.

‘Brass neck of the year’

McGrath stood up for Fianna Fáil and nominated O’Dowd for the “brass neck of the year”, saying “over the last few days your silence was deafening”.

O’Dowd claimed that “many of the provisions in the Bill are incomplete or would be unworkable”. He noted that there would be a huge cost in extending the postal vote and said there was “no detailed provisions in the Bill for counting the votes”.

He added that members of the Seanad needed to “play a key role in improving legislative changes before enactment” and be given time “to clarify any issues” they have.

Sinn Féin TD Seán Crowe said the Bill won’t “fix the system”. “I don’t think it’s radical enough,” he stated.

Fine Gael TDs Frank Feighan and Eoghan Murphy also spoke on the Bill, Feighan praising the Taoiseach for nominating independent voices to the Seanad three years ago, while Murphy used the opportunity to raise some of his own Dáil reform proposals.

Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan said that Seanad to date has been “used by political parties .. as a training ground for prospective TDs or a retiring ground” and noted that all of the reform bills put forward had the necessary common goal of “widening the electorate”.

Last month environment Minister Phil Hogan published the government’s Seanad Reform Bill last month which proposes to widen the electorate to all third-level graduates.

Background: Fianna Fáil: Our Seanad bill is ‘fundamental reform that people deserve’

Explainer: How does a Bill become a law?

Read: Plan to increase Seanad voters by 650,000 published

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    Mute Shirley Boshell
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    Aug 13th 2013, 7:50 AM

    Wow! Now even the bins are spying on us. All we need now is for public toilets to record all our “movements” and the colour of our underwear and big brother will know all it possibly could about us. Who needs privacy?!

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    Mute Tommy Crotty
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    Aug 13th 2013, 7:52 AM

    Good one shirley, “movements” lol!!

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    Mute Billie Hetfield
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    Aug 13th 2013, 8:04 AM

    They likely already do. Think about the movement activated flushes and the movement activated lights.

    *may or may not be serious, I’ll let you decide.

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    Mute Spud Jones
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    Aug 13th 2013, 8:10 AM

    Ha ha, nice one Shirley, what colour is your under pants indeed………?

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    Mute Robbie Doyle
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    Aug 13th 2013, 9:21 AM

    Public toilets testing your ‘movements’ has been proposed to screen for health problems. I think it would be a great idea really, provided the information was confidentially passed to a smart phone or emailed to you.

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    Mute Daisy Chainsaw
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    Aug 13th 2013, 11:35 AM

    What underpants? Commando is the only way to go in this weather!

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    Mute Larry T Bird
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    Aug 13th 2013, 12:17 PM

    Good one Shirley.

    “Colour of your underwear”..hmm

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    Mute Albert McEinstein
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    Aug 13th 2013, 7:52 AM

    What if….What if the bins refuse to stop collecting data?

    And so it begins…..

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    Mute Right Wing Steve ©
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    Aug 13th 2013, 7:33 AM

    I love London, it’s my 34th favorite place in the world to be.

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    Mute Dublinguy2013
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    Aug 13th 2013, 7:46 AM

    You’re my 34th favourite poster on the Journal.ie

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    Aug 13th 2013, 7:47 AM

    That’s the 27th time somebody has said that to me

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    Mute Bramley Hawthorne
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    Aug 13th 2013, 8:28 AM

    It would never work here – no bins.

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    Mute susanna smyth
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    Aug 13th 2013, 8:43 AM

    So why, with so much surveillance, can’t they find the idiots who damaged signals so the Dart is out of action this morning

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    Mute John M
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    Aug 13th 2013, 9:09 AM

    Those bins are in London

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    Mute Tommy Crotty
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    Aug 13th 2013, 7:50 AM

    My god why cant a bin just collect rubbish? What next, laptops that recycle your lunch waste!?

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    Mute mattoid
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    Aug 13th 2013, 9:31 AM

    My emails are already intercepted by my laptop and smartphone. Shocking.

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    Mute Amy gaffney
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    Aug 13th 2013, 8:12 AM

    The difference between hits on a website and this scenario is people are aware of cookies on their computer and informed again each time they go into a new website. Ya wouldn’t really be expecting a bin to be spying on you. A whole new meaning to bin it your way.

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    Mute Robert Rusk
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    Aug 13th 2013, 12:11 PM

    and strictly speaking web-sites aren’t supposed to share this with one another .. which is the focus of the rather big “Do Not Track” privacy-debate that is currently ongoing on the web …

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    Mute Jonathan Nolan
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    Aug 13th 2013, 7:54 AM

    How are people going to know if its collecting their data already?
    How is the average Joe going to know they are going to turn it on or off in any case?
    The government possibly already has this technology in bloody street lamps and we don’t know about it!

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    Mute Robert Rusk
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    Aug 13th 2013, 12:14 PM

    government = your elected representatives who have a security mandate (for better or worse)

    Renew = a private enterprise, who may or may not flip your identity over to any bidder if times get tough

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    Mute Thomas Cooke
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    Aug 13th 2013, 7:49 AM

    So now they will throw the bins in the rubbish, like a Big Brother has been!

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    Mute Eugene Walsh
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    Aug 13th 2013, 8:26 AM

    Spooooky I means

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    Mute Conor Sheehan
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    Aug 13th 2013, 11:11 AM

    Well I know “THEY” are spying on me. “THEY” keep taking money out of my pay cheque whether I like it or not.

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    Mute Eugene Walsh
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    Aug 13th 2013, 8:26 AM

    Almost darlik like…sooooooky!

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    Mute Neil O'Leary
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    Aug 13th 2013, 9:25 AM

    Just for future reference, it’s dalek.

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    Mute Derek Durkin
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    Aug 13th 2013, 11:19 AM

    Minority report.

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    Mute Francis Stokes
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    Aug 13th 2013, 8:41 AM

    Maybe they want to collect the parts for recycling. It is a good idea because some parts of phone are radio active.

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    Mute Alan
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    Aug 13th 2013, 8:55 AM

    Read the article again there chap.

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    Mute susanna smyth
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    Aug 13th 2013, 9:11 AM

    Yes. But the same level of surveillance exists here in Ireland

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    Mute Fuh Qiu
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    Aug 13th 2013, 9:48 AM

    If you think we have the same level of surveillance as they have in the UK, especially London, you’re either seriously paranoid or you’ve never visited the neighbours.

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    Mute susanna smyth
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    Aug 13th 2013, 9:53 AM

    Most, if not all phone masts, are fitted with surveillance equipment here

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    Mute Therése Martin Farrell
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    Aug 13th 2013, 9:54 AM

    Have you even read the article ???

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    Mute Therése Martin Farrell
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    Aug 13th 2013, 9:55 AM

    My post was for Francis

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    Mute Declan Keating
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    Aug 13th 2013, 1:21 PM

    You couldn’t piss crooked without them knowing it.

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    Mute David Louis Hendley
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    Aug 14th 2013, 8:51 PM

    Has bins..

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    Aug 13th 2013, 8:23 PM

    It looks like a Dalek prototype.

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    Mute Foxtrot Hotel
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    Aug 13th 2013, 6:10 PM

    WTF!?

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