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Astronauts' hearts grow rounder in space, finds study

Astronauts’ hearts also got weaker because the heart doesn’t work as hard in space, say researchers.

ASTRONAUTS’ HEARTS GROW rounder while they are in space, suggesting that spending lots of time in microgravity could lead to heart problems, according to US research.

That could mean trouble for people who want to embark on long-term missions to Mars.

The data presented at an American College of Cardiology meeting in Washington was based on 12 astronauts who had ultrasounds while in space.

Their hearts grew 9.4 per cent more spherical in microgravity, and they also weakened.

“The heart doesn’t work as hard in space, which can cause a loss of muscle mass,” said James Thomas, lead scientist for ultrasound at NASA and senior author of the study.

That can have serious consequences after the return to Earth, so we’re looking into whether there are measures that can be taken to prevent or counteract that loss.

The astronauts’ hearts returned to their normal, more oval shape, shortly after their return to Earth.

Astronauts currently spend up to six months at the orbiting International Space Station, which is staffed by rotating crews.

Missions to Mars, foreseen in the next couple of decades, would take about 18 months and may offer no return trip.

- © AFP, 2014

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    Mute Tomas
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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:16 PM

    Put the sheets with the infants names on the gates of the Phoenix park on the 26th August..for the very nice Pope.

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    Mute Martin Morris
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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:35 PM

    @Tomas: YES!!

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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:51 PM

    @Tomas: spot on Tomas. Exactly what should be done

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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:58 PM

    @Conor Walsh: the brainwashed masses would probably pray for forgiveness, but for the babies murdered by those witches in Tuam. No end to the amount of sand that will be needed next week for all those heads still supporting this evil organisation.

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    Mute Seamus Mac
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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:54 PM

    @Gulliver Foyle: murdered?

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    Mute Dave O Keeffe
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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:11 PM

    @Seamus Mac: negligent homicide in many cases

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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:14 PM

    @Gulliver Foyle: “Brainwashed masses….witches……murdered ” ?????
    Do you get off on calling people names. …..the vast majority of believers are no better or worse than you & would pray for the babies long before praying for those in charge !

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    Mute Seamus Mac
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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:18 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: aka poverty Dave, supported by wider society and the church. Where were the babies fathers? It’s easy to imagine evil nuns murdering & tossing infants into septic tanks but it is not the reality of a third world country.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:35 PM

    @Seamus Mac: Oh, if I malnourished my child till they died, while forwarding the money the state provided me for their care to the religious organisation I’m part of, I’d deserve to be charged with murder.

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    Mute Seamus Mac
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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:50 PM

    @The Risen: do you believe the evil nuns starved children to death on purpose so that they could send money to their order?

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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:52 PM

    @Seamus Mac: Unlike yourself, I operate on reason and information, not what I ‘believe’

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    Mute Philip Mckenna
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    Aug 17th 2018, 9:08 PM

    @The Risen: excellent answer the brainwashed can’t think for themselves. The evidence is overwhelmingly and a jury wouldn’t deliberate for more than a few minutes to sentence these evil vindictive nuns to jail!

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    Mute Tony Newgent
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    Aug 17th 2018, 9:28 PM

    @Tomas: Better again, take all the information those women have on those childrens deaths to the Garda and inerpol and let them track down and prosecute those responsible.

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    Mute Tony Newgent
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    Aug 17th 2018, 9:30 PM

    @Gulliver Foyle: Any information you have regarding murders should be presented to the Garda ASAP!

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    Aug 17th 2018, 10:33 PM

    @Tomas: I think that will happen Tomas.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 10:35 PM

    @Jerriko17: prayers are no good to babies dead or alive.

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    Mute Phil Swan
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    Aug 17th 2018, 11:34 PM

    @Tomas: or on the gates of every home in Galway. The church may have created and ran those horror houses but the whole community knew what was happening.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 1:00 AM

    @The Risen: self praise is no praise. It would be more reasonable to answer the question but I would expect no less from a Sinn Feiner as your lot have been dodging questions for decades.

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    Mute Denis McClean
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    Aug 18th 2018, 2:00 AM

    @Tomas: Catholic is no worse than Muslim or Protestant when it comes to dictating terms to the disadvantaged but the fact is, these babies were born into an age of total deprivation that few of us could ever imagine today. Government induced Famine, Typhus, Cholera, Scurvy, Polio, Worm infestations, Malnutrition and viral gastroenteritis and other scourges were widely prevalent at the time. That is how the population of this country was halved to suit our empirical masters. Some may have been abused and I cringe when I contemplate that but there is no forensic evidence to suggest systemic clerical abuse. In this later age, the Roman Catholic Church has shown itself to be a disgrace but these, possibly well meaning people, are just a lynch mob slash populist magnet for social media. This Jesuit Pope has taken oaths to uphold the truth but no one is holding their breath.

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    Mute Fergal Hughes
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    Aug 18th 2018, 6:07 AM

    @Seamus Mac: ‘Third world country’ is a cold war term

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    Aug 18th 2018, 11:32 AM

    @The Risen: twit

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    Aug 21st 2018, 5:27 PM

    @Gulliver Foyle: Agree apart from the use of the word witches.
    A cailleach & the younger version a cailín are wise. They were demonized in history & many were burned for speaking truth to power.
    Nuns following church orders (or not) who participated in this as well as the men who rule the church AND the gardaí who brought girls to Magdalenes are not witches, they are criminals. Our present government and all who have not called for the separation of church and state AND indeed all teachers/nurses/doctors who do not now refuse to teach religion in schools and to refuse to have church icons in places where they work are complicit. There’s a theocracy to topple and this is the time to do it. Tabhair faoi. Déan an rud ceart. Saoirse uainn. Cá seasann tusa? Leis an Vatacáin is a pomp nó leis na daoine a ghortaíonn siad? Ní neart go cur le chéile.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:31 PM

    My God, 796 children, what shameful acts went on in these places? I remember visiting relatives near Ballinasloe in the 70’s and seeing the orphans from the nearby nun run home being paraded through the church.

    They were well dressed and I wanted to play with them, but my cousins told me to stay away. I still chanced my arm but my uncle pulled us all into the back of a truck and we were gone. I was maybe 8, but the fact I didn’t stand up for those children more, at least by making a fuss still annoys me.

    Peace be with those who suffered from those subhuman orders.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:30 PM

    @Instabogan: and i presume there is many more sites like this around the country..Tuam was found by a very determined lady.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 11:13 PM

    @Tomas: It’s said there’s another site near Tuam where 3,200 babies/mothers are buried.
    There are sites within Dublin’s Deansgrange and Glasnevin Cemeteries where unknown numbers of unknown infants are buried; their locations are however, someway ‘marked’.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 2:11 AM

    @Canny Jem: There are countless unmarked mass graves where people starved by the British Empire were processed because normality was overwhelmed and disease was rampant, so burying bodies quickly saved lives. Having said that, the Catholic Church should answer for crimes that can now be forensically laid on its doorstep.

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    Aug 21st 2018, 5:32 PM

    @Canny Jem:
    All over the country.
    Castlepollard too.

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    Mute Ciaran Maher
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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:20 PM

    Shameful treatment of the memory of those who died while in the care of the church.
    Well done to those women who continue to highlight it.

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    Mute Conor Walsh
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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:53 PM

    Respect to the women that did this

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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:43 PM

    Seven hundred and ninety six.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:46 PM

    @Gary Donkerty: or 796.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 9:39 PM

    @Decko Kelly: or at least 796 and many more elsewhere.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:00 PM

    Incredible, well done to all involved.

    It’s moments lke this that reassure that all we need to throw off the millstone of religious opression is our collective humanity.

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    Mute Rebekah Corbett
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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:46 PM

    How about a protest at the residence of the Church of Ireland Archbishop of Dublin about the deaths of babies in the Bethany Home? How about an investigation into the Protestant mother and baby homes?

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:54 PM

    @Rebekah Corbett: go for it

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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:57 PM

    Any idea how the babies die? Did the church sacrifice them or was it complications at birth? Anyone ever blame the families who put them in these homes?

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:04 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: Theres an excellent article on Broadsheet about the recorded causes of death. Can’t post the link right now but it should be easy enough to search for.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:25 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: do a bit of research Shawn. The church had an iron grip on people in these thankfully bygone days. If you were a unmarried mother you would have no choice but to give up your child. Also the children/babies would be very undernourished etc etc

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:27 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: Here ya go…

    (Spoiler alert: If your stomach doesn’t turn, you may well be part of the problem….)

    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/07/25/tuam-medical-certs-death-certs-and-dr-thomas-bodkin-costello/

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:28 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: Yes there’s some blame on the families no doubt, but
    1/ they didn’t put them there to be abused or killed or neglected food medical aid or dumped into a septic tank? That’s the church’s doings!
    2/ the reason they were put there was the church saying they were fallen women and a child out of wedlock is a mortal sin and they should be shunned by society!

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:51 PM

    @The Risen: feel sick and reduced to tears on reading that.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:22 PM

    @Michael O’Neill: most babies were undernourished in those days Michael

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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:27 PM

    @Seamus Mac: Theres a difference between undernourished and malnourished to death. Sick comment, but not unexpected.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:37 PM

    @The Risen: how is my comment sick?

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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:58 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: If you are of a certain age , you will recall the power the church held over the ordinary people. You may say it was different times; the poverty at that time in Ireland was compounded by politicians who bowed to every whim of the Catholic church. The arrogance of the Church then and today remains the same.. They used the red scare to keep people in line in old days, Yet they carried out the same draconian regime.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 9:40 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: malnutrition , lack of medical intervention at the birth they nuns had no medicines at all , the women frightened went into labour the nuns took them to room and left them there until the baby appeared they was no doctor , no help and if the baby was delivered alive the mum was to exhausted didn’t have help with feeding and no medicines or probably milk for baby , these women were being punished for there sins ,, today in 21 century mums baby’s are checked monthly , scanned and all medicines even labour is well set out both for mums and baby .. none of these were available back then the young woman was probably working in the fields or laundry then made her way to convent to have her baby a bare room nothing else and bed and nun who kept eye on her …..only the fittest survived and if they didn’t die in first few months then with no medicine ,if one child got sick the rest got sick and no medicine or food …. life was tough …these women children were not wanted by family , disgraced and in eyes of church sinners and the nuns priests had to make them suffer ,,,so who was there for them even the other women helped but all lived in fear …

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    Aug 17th 2018, 10:39 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: anybody with an ounce of integrity knows that the agents of the Roman church used to trawl the villages and towns looking for prey and any families who dared to defy them in them days suffered greatly.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 10:41 PM

    @Seamus Mac: yes they were because the bitches who were being given money to spend on them were not doing what they were paid to do with the money. Where do you think the bishops got their palaces from.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 10:53 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: I would imagine for the majority it would be complications due to neglect. After all, if a child wasn’t pretty, and so easily marketable it wasn’t much use. They already had the mothers for slaves, a child was a drain on resources.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 11:20 PM

    @Sarah Sally Patten Boland: did you know the last Valid Bishop died in the 19th century prior to the 1st world war…in Portugal. And the last real Catholic Nun drove the Freemasons nuts so the Masonic then Vatican murdered her to convene with their final council http://ourladyisgod.com/i-impostor-sister-lucia.php.
    These comments are quite fuqn retaded

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    Aug 18th 2018, 12:04 AM

    @Peadar117: seek help

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    Aug 18th 2018, 12:20 AM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: Historically, the babies (and mothers) died mostly of diseases rampant in Ireland during the 1920s through to the ‘50s, before the introduction of newly-discovered antibiotics curtailed the number of deaths. This is true of Tuam and every single hospital in Ireland during those decades.
    Dublin alone had huge numbers of pre-natal, infant and child mortality rates in the ‘20s & ‘30s, and ‘50s – before the introduction of antibiotics curtailed the number of deaths.
    Back then, just as today, people in over-crowded hospitals were/are prone to contagious diseases and very many died. Newborn-babies, post-natal women, older people and destitute people were particularly susceptible.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 12:39 AM

    @Michael O’Neill: not exactly so Michael, when my mother was born in 1932 it would have been a brave priest that would have told her to give up her baby and go into a laundry.

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    Aug 22nd 2018, 1:17 AM

    @Canny Jem: Please don’t deflect from the deaths. Tuam isn’t in Dublin and was not a hospital. What sort of person sees over seven hundred deaths, mass starvation and concludes that it was probably down to overcrowding and contagious bacterial infections? How was it that the well-nourished clergy who came through all the hard times are too old to testify today?

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:25 PM

    Most of these would have died at child birth of shortly after , bearing in mind that 70% of us just voted for abortion which the church was very much against. If seems to tell a tale of two contradictions of a nation

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:37 PM

    @jerry slattery: All children should be wanted children. Not forced on anyone.
    And stop deflecting. The point here is the church needs to own up to its own atrocities. It is not connected with women needing valid medical procedures such as abortions.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 12:23 AM

    @jerry slattery: Most deaths of babies (and mothers) were due to diseases rampant in Ireland during the 1920s through to the ‘50s, before the introduction of newly-discovered antibiotics curtailed the number of deaths. This is true of Tuam and every single hospital in Ireland during those decades.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 2:47 AM

    @jerry slattery: and where, were the scans and the midwife’s back in the day, they have today to point out these problems????

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    Aug 18th 2018, 5:35 AM

    @Abbie Cranky: It surely is Abbie because don’t for a second think that woman went it to those homes because they wanted to have babies . If abortion was available back then those women would as you in your nice words have said had the much needed valid medical procedure

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    Aug 19th 2018, 9:46 AM

    @Canny Jem: not particularly, these women and children were regarded as 2nd or third class citizens and as such did not merit the best medical care available at the time.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:17 PM

    Fair play to them women.

    but hypocrisy is the word most of use to describe the church and its abusers and abuser enablers, sick vile cult!

    Rip angels xx

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    Mute Justin Dawson
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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:51 PM

    Ever wonder how those girls arrived in Tuam. How did they know the existance of the place.? Did nobody miss them ? Who fathered those babies ? Who or where are they ?

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    Aug 17th 2018, 9:01 PM

    @Justin Dawson: ever wonder who was the moral arbiter/authority of day making the masses believe these torture shops were the only good and decent option for “fallen women”?

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    Aug 17th 2018, 9:08 PM

    @Karen Wellington: I didnt call them ” fallen women ” or would I.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 9:34 PM

    @Justin Dawson: I think Karen was quoting the RCC Justin and not you.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 10:47 PM

    @Justin Dawson: I have heard stories from people who wanted their babies fathers who wanted to marry their pregnant girlfriends and raise their babies but the perverts in the church had rules . if they knew of a girl who had sex outside of marriage she was to be interned without trial into a Magdalene home and her baby taken off her .

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    Aug 17th 2018, 11:24 PM

    @Sarah Sally Patten Boland:
    Didn’t their families hand them in to the laundries?

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    Aug 17th 2018, 11:42 PM

    @Bernie Roche: I wonder what age you are Bernie? are you old enough to remember the horrendous iron grip the Catholic Church held over EVERY facet of life at the time?

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    Aug 18th 2018, 9:56 AM

    @Joey Navinski: I understand well that iron grip of shame.
    Members of my own family got pregnant out of wedlock in the 60s and 70s, the family rallied round and in one case the child’s grandparents brought up the child. They were weekly mass goers and considered themselves devout.
    I’m not trying to belittle anyone’s experiences but we need to be honest about what happened. The church didn’t go around rounding up pregnant women like the gestapo, people were brainwashed enough to hand over their own children to these animals

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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:41 PM

    I’ll be there on the 26th for sure

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:35 PM

    @Pat Fox: Where? At the garden of remembrance to protest the pope’s lack of acknowledgement of Tuam & all appropriate admissions of the wrong doing of the church?
    If so I’ll see you there. For a calm and respectful protest to stand in solidarity with those who were abused.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 1:14 AM

    No we don’t need a bloody garden or a monument .we need a full enquiry .and justice for all of the relatives of all these abominable Institutions .it’s not in the past and a plaque with names is not what survivors of these institutions want right now ,we the relatives and survivors want accountability and for all institutionalized be investigated fully ,we want justice before a plaque

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    Aug 18th 2018, 2:14 AM

    @Tina Raji: Yes.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:12 PM

    I wonder what Terry Prone thinks about it.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 11:50 PM

    I have often heard so called “good Catholic people” say they don’t want to know when faced with the crimes of the church. It’s like … denying the holocaust ! And it is insulting and extremely hurtful to all victims and survivors !

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    Aug 17th 2018, 11:45 PM

    The Catholic Church will never voluntarily admit its guilt or willfully reveal crimes it has committed. Most believers haven’t a clue or don’t want to know the depth and history of the institutions depravity

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    Aug 17th 2018, 6:24 PM

    Hang the pope

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:50 PM

    796 children…horrible , disgusting
    but some would argue that we just voted for a law that will do the same.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:38 PM

    @LUNA: but most of us know the difference between a foetus and a real living child who was starved/beaten/emotionally abused/sold like chattel/molested/etc. by an organisation that preaches tolerance, love, charity and humility while hoarding billions. They recently took a poll on the issue.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 9:09 PM

    @Karen Wellington: Great post Karen…

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    Aug 17th 2018, 9:41 PM

    @Karen Wellington: the Pope is in charge of 6 billion euros and we have to pay for his holidays to Ireland.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 9:52 PM

    @Karen Wellington: But in all honesty, the amount of un-born children that will be killed, will far surpass the amount in this case, unfortunately were talking about killing children, in figures witch is quite sad all the same ,
    i think the priests that did this and men of the church will have a nice place in hell, but i just think its interesting that some of these children were a little over a week old, and in the future we could see it just before birth , according to the liberal lefties according them they want to liberalise the laws , with unrestricted abortion. i think we are done with the whole abortion debate for now at least but i hope it doesn’t come back to bit us, (coming from a woman who voted yes ) because i wanted the law to change, for legit medical reasons like illness and such.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 2:03 AM

    @Daveinson: You’ve stated two very blatant total lies: “… the Pope is in charge of 6 billion euros” and “…we have to pay for his holidays to Ireland”.
    - The state of Vatican State finances show the State hovering barely above the Red Line. It was found to be financially “broke” (“in the red”) a few years ago.
    - The Pope is coming to Ireland as an invitee to the Catholic Church-organised World Meeting of Families Congress. It is not a State Visit being paid for by Irish taxpayers.
    His flight into Ireland is gratis of Italia, the Italian National Airline; his flights within Ireland and back to Italy are gratis of Aer Lingus, the Irish National Airline (publicity for both).
    He will travel by car in a simple car, at his own request (I hear it’s a small Skoda).

    Irish, and foreign, Catholics have being saving for this event for the last three years. The events themselves are being wholly paid for by Catholics. I believe that so far, €21 of the €25 million needed to cover costs has been raised. The rest will be paid off in due course.
    There will be taxpayers’ costs incurred for security of the people attending the events and side-events, traffic management etc., same as was incurred for the State Visits of Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Charles and recently Prince Harry and their wives… same as incurred by taxpayers for every Pop concert and the massive cleaning up after those as well.
    There will also be taxpayers’ cost incurred for the protest event in the Garden of Remembrance in Dublin – there’s hardly a whimper of complaint is ever made about those needless costs to us taxpayers.

    The security of the Pope will be covered by plains-clothes Swiss Guards and other Vatican security personnel who trained by the CIA, German and British security forces.

    Your integrity as a commenter has been destroyed by your blatant lies. Get with truths.

    A PS – your ignorance is further displayed by use of “euros”. It’s “Euro”, already a plural word as in 1 Euro – meaning 100 cents, Two Euro – meaning two hundred cents, 6 Billion Euro – meaning (eurrrgh! I’ve lost count!).

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    Aug 18th 2018, 9:37 AM

    @Canny Jem: well said

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    Aug 18th 2018, 2:59 AM

    Erm, given so many ignorant comments above, I would like to see more publicity given to the mass graves of deceased pre-natal and post-natal infants and children, together with those of un-named mothers paupers in Dublin’s Glasnevin and Deansgrange Cemeteries and all other cemeteries around our 32 counties of Ireland, which are without names – but either marked or locally-known of, exactly same as in Tuam has been locally-known of, and marked.

    The grounds of Kilmainham’s present IMMA (the Irish Museum of Modern Art) – in which most formal Irish National Commemorative Ceremonies of the dead are held these days – contain loads of unmarked graves of people who died of various plague diseases in Dublin in the past. Some grave headstones remain there, if unnoticed and unattended, but still there.

    The grounds were also used by Brian Ború and his army as a camping ground before they fought and drove the Vikings out of Ireland at the Battle of Clontarf – and used as a graveyard for many of those of his army who died in that battle.

    I’d prefer that the dead be allowed to rest in peace in their graves and not used as a present-day social, religious or political footballs to be kicked around today by publicity-seeking people for whatever cause.

    RIP Brian Ború’s dead army men and all the pre-natal, post-natal dead babies (my siblings included), and the unknown mothers and paupers lying in unmarked graves all over Ireland.

    Sacred Ground will always be “Sacred” to us Irish, of whatever beliefs. Let’s keep them sacred.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 8:18 AM

    @Canny Jem: whataboutry and deflection, nothing else to be expected from a Roman Catholic Taliban like yourself.
    Pathetic Apologist!

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    Aug 18th 2018, 8:40 AM

    @Matt Beaumont: I am no apologist for any wrongs committed within the Catholic Church, never have been, never will be. I have never disputed facts exposed by thorough investigations like the Ryan and Murphy Reports.
    I am fully against incorrect media reports and against misleading, non-factual social media comments, such as appearing under this article.
    If you have any biting to do with my facts, take them up with the factual historians andtheir publications, not me.
    “Whataboutery” is good for denied comparable fact-findings. You should get into “whataboutery” more if you want to establish historical, indisputable facts which can never be deflected from.

    I don’t deflect from the sociological truth that people who were sexually abused while children are highly likely to go on and be abusers themselves.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:57 PM

    A shame the actual year and month is not given in order to give a context to the actual period of time we are talking about.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:13 PM

    @Jerry Slattery: there are unmarked graves in cork that were in use right up to the 90′s

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    Aug 17th 2018, 8:23 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: not sure we were burying hundreds of children back in the 90s anyway times have moved on and one of the most popular way’s now is cremation and scattering ashes in a loved place etc . The days of large headstones and graves are going out of fashion once again .

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    Aug 17th 2018, 9:47 PM

    @Jerry Slattery: is that your way to justify dumping their emaciated bodies into a sewer tank? Your god may be forgiving but real people will not be.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 11:07 PM

    @Daveinson: There is absolutely NO factual evidence, arising from all official investigations so far, that the chambers in Tuam where skeletons were found were “sewer tanks”.
    It was “thought” by the first investigators that the chambers “might” have been for sewage treatment… and that’s given the seed to the unproven wild allegations of ‘sewer tanks’ or ‘septic tanks’.
    No scientific evidence has yet been found in later thorough investigations that the chambers were septic tanks or intended for sewage treatment. We have to await further extensive excavations to determine the truth.
    In the meantime, can we drop references to ‘septic tank’ in all of this discussion?

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    Aug 17th 2018, 11:19 PM

    @Canny Jem: when that’s your only point of contention you know you’re on the wrong side of this

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    Aug 17th 2018, 11:19 PM

    @Canny Jem: we could easily drop the ‘septic tank’ phrase but it wouldn’t make the unmarked burials of 796 babies any less disgusting. Come to think of it, septic thanks IS a perfect euphemism for the crimes of the RCC.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 12:29 AM

    @Jerry Slattery: The historical context is that most deaths of babies (and mothers) in Tuam and all other hospitals in the 32-counties of Ireland were mostly due diseases rampant in Ireland during the 1920s through to the ‘50s, before the introduction of newly-discovered antibiotics curtailed the number of deaths.
    Dublin alone had huge numbers of pre-natal, infant and child mortality rates in the ‘20s & ‘30s, and ‘50s – before the introduction of antibiotics curtailed the number of deaths.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 12:41 AM

    @Dave O Keeffe: It’s impossible to be on the wrong side of proven facts. It is entirely possible to be taken in by unproven media allegations.
    I repeat: No scientific evidence has yet been found in later thorough investigations that the chambers were septic tanks or intended for sewage treatment. We have to await further extensive excavations to determine the truth.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 5:40 AM

    @Daveinson: I would think that 80% of Irish people today would not be able to find the graves of there great grand parents as people were to poor to mark the grave with anything other then a simple timber cross and those poorer or again been buried in mass graves .

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    Aug 17th 2018, 11:33 PM

    Well done and i agree with everything u said in article.. IM FULLY BEHIND YOU.. RIP TO THOSE BEAUTIFUL INNOCENT SOULS.. The GOVERMENT should be ashamed of them selves..

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    Aug 17th 2018, 11:48 PM

    I’d have preferred that our lovely cathedral was not used in this fashion. This is a place of worship for young and old alike to pray in their own way in peace. There are other more civil and dignified methods to remember the atrocities without impinging on another’s right to worship in freedom.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 3:54 AM

    @John Lardner: You’re right John. If someone wants to worship an organisation who preside over the worst human rights offences in history while being the largest organised paedophile ring in the world then who are us righteous bigots to stand in their way

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    Aug 18th 2018, 10:23 AM

    resumably Erin Darcy and the other women have started by recognising their role and our role in Tuam??
    Mums wound up in Tuam when their family, extended family, neighbour, friends, village, community, town…..had turned their back and rejected them. In some cases driven them out.. It was there or nowhere. Those people my friends are you and me. They are our counterparts.
    So if you want to point fingers start with one firmly planted at yourself, your neighbours, friends….the village so to speak

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    Aug 18th 2018, 1:39 PM

    @Brigid M Sinnott: so it ok for the church to sell babies, use slave labour, rape and mental & physical torture because no individual was willing to stop them? And is it ok that the rcc are still withholding information and redress from their victims today?

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    Aug 18th 2018, 6:30 AM

    What is it with the Catholic Church and children??….the recently unearthed Pennsylvania abuse being another glorious moment in their history

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    Aug 18th 2018, 8:24 AM

    @Maurice: Check similar “What is it with…?” about other Christian and non-Christian Churches that have similar statistics about child abuse comparable to those of Pennsylvania and other American Catholic dioceses. Let us know what you find (it’ll be about the same 2% of the whole).
    The Muslim religion’s various factions have much higher percentages of child labour and sexual abuse (up to 20% Muslim vs 2% average Christian) but we’re not allowed to publically discuss, report on and make comparisons with Islamic religions’ atrocities, in case we get our heads chopped off – or our concert goers are suicidal-ly bombed in retaliation for such exposures.

    You could also check statistics about child sexual abuse/labour within our own secular Irish communities… but we’re not allowed to do that either in case we find skeletons in our own family closets.
    That would be “just too horrendous” to find out, or publish about.

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    Aug 17th 2018, 7:37 PM

    Bloody pope sheesh one person I wont be visiting

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    Aug 18th 2018, 10:18 AM

    And as I’ve said before , the half a million Blind Sheep will flock to the park the see the Catholic Church PR Guy and cheer and wave flags.
    Absolutely Sickening .

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    Aug 18th 2018, 11:30 PM

    The Mary pose photo is sheer brilliance.

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    Aug 18th 2018, 7:27 PM

    Listen to Catherine Corless, the historian. She knows more about Tuam than anyone else . The Catholic Church and their political supporters are guilty of various crimes against these innocent Women and Children. Why were they punished ?the men who fathered the children were not punished,who were these men?were any of them Priests or Lay Brothers. Ask why the Church will not disclose information/documents.Has the state suggested Catherine should receive a thank you letter for disclosing the crimes at Tuam.Why not?

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    Aug 19th 2018, 7:09 PM

    There won’t be any marked or unmarked graves for the aborted as they will be flushed down the toilet or put in a rubbish bin.

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