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What Constitutional ban has the Opposition 'neutered to the point of comedy'?

Deputies Pearse Doherty and Stephen Donnelly have argued that a section of the Irish Constitution needs to be changed.

PART OF THE Constitution ‘neuters’ Opposition TDs by not allowing them to introduce financial measures, according to Pearse Doherty.

Sinn Féin’s finance spokesperson has said the constitutional bar that exists in this regard “makes a mockery of the debate [in the Dáil] each year with opposition TDs neutered to the point of comedy at times”.

Doherty has put forward a Bill that would amend this section of Bunreacht na hÉireann.

The TD for Donegal South-West said the 34th Amendment of the Constitution (Inclusive Budget Reform Bill) is short but claimed it would have “a significant impact on how the Dáil operates and how budgets are set in the future”.

“It is a constant source of great frustration to opposition TDs that positive, well thought out Bills can be simply ignored because of a constitutional bar on Opposition TDs bringing forward financial measures.”

Doherty said that a Bill he drafted last year to make stateless multinational companies tax resident in Ireland should they have no other residence was not allowed onto the Order Paper, only for the government to draft “virtually the same Bill” a few months later.

 By repealing this constitutional bar we can have a healthier, more robust culture of debate in our Parliament, a better opposition and a more accountable government.

Dr Theresa Reidy, a lecturer in the Department of Government at University College Cork, said there are two different schools of thought on the issue.

‘Tight budgetary controls’

She noted the argument that “much better” budgetary outcomes occur when decision-making is “confined to a small group of people”.

Dr Reidy said Italy was, for many years, used as an example of the “opposite scenario” where loose budget controls were the norm and parliamentarians could vote to increase spending. She said countries that operated in this fashion were “much more likely to be in deficit”.

Countries with tight budgetary controls tend to have lower debt in the long term.

She noted that tight controls didn’t necessarily mean low government spending, rather balancing the books.

From that point of view, Pearse’s Bill is gong against that. If what he is suggesting is a devolution and opening up of the process without appropriate checks and balances, that could exacerbate public finance difficulties.

On the other hand, she noted one could argue that the role of parliamentarians was “made less effective” by the financial measures bar.

‘Think very carefully’

Dr Reidy added that there was “a really strong case to be made” of the role of parliamentary committees in terms of overseeing the budgetary process.

She said it was “pretty unlikely” Doherty’s Bill would get on the government’s “packed” agenda.

If Pearse was to be in goverment in time, and recent poll results show that could happen, he or any member of the government would have to think very carefully about something of this nature going to a referendum.

In 2012 independent TD Stephen Donnelly proposed that a referendum be held to, as he said, “try to take this ridiculous rule out of the Constitution”.

Public Expenditure Minister Brendan Howlin dismissed the suggestion in the Dáil, saying:

Bluntly, if it were possible, most Deputies would constantly propose spending more and taxing less and all of that manifests a charge on the State. There would always be a political imperative to do so.

At the time Donnelly asked: “If TDs are not to be trusted to make suggestions, why have them?”, adding that they were paid “a hell of a lot of money … to sit in the corner and shut up”.

He noted that “political self-interest will always be found in budgets” but said: “A rigorous, transparent process, with meaningful parliamentary oversight, would go a long way to guarding against the worst excesses of ignorance, special interests, extremism and plain old stupidity.”

“Why should the people trust their politicians when the politicians have such contempt for each other? There is absolutely no reason why draft budgets cannot be produced for consideration months before they are implemented,” he added.

A spokeswoman said the Department of Finance would not be commenting on Doherty’s Bill as it deals with a constitutional change.

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    Mute M
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    May 13th 2022, 12:52 PM

    Isreal have become brazen and a law onto themselves. Its not anti semetic to condemn their murderous tactics on unarmed palistinians. Time for the world to face up to them and enact santions.

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    Mute Declan Moran
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    May 13th 2022, 2:10 PM

    @M: it’s not today or yesterday that they have become brazen. They have flouted every UN resolution that has been passed. Time has long since passed for them to be made adhere to some kind of law & be held account for their actions. Palestinian people don’t have a life, they don’t even have an existence and before anyone has a go at me. I don’t condone violence on any side and that includes Hamas. I keep thinking of the lovely children I met while visiting Palestine in 1991 and hope they got to reach adulthood. Something we all take for granted.

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    Mute Fr. Fintan Stack
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    May 13th 2022, 2:31 PM

    @Victor Feldman: A terrorist apartheid state

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    Mute Desmond Lyons
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    May 13th 2022, 2:54 PM

    @M: they are savages!

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    Mute FiannaFáilness FineGaelness
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    May 13th 2022, 5:02 PM

    I just watched the footage of the Isr4eli forces kicking punching and beating the pallbearers carry Shireen’s coffin with batons. My blood is boiling.

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    May 13th 2022, 2:42 PM

    Gaza , the biggest concentration camp ever seen
    Ironic , isn’t it ?

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    Mute Brendan We Are One Ireland.
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    May 13th 2022, 3:08 PM

    I would like to ask the person who wrote the article what exactly they think is a scuffle?? I would call that an outright batton charge. Animals attacking a funeral cortège.

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    Mute Bobby Jones
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    May 13th 2022, 3:29 PM

    @Brendan We Are One Ireland.: I just watch it. Shocking stuff by the Israeli scu.m. But I’m not surprised by the journal at all.

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    Mute FiannaFáilness FineGaelness
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    May 13th 2022, 5:04 PM

    @Brendan We Are One Ireland.: Why do riot police turn up at a funeral procession. They did it to incite a reaction. They are utter sc.um.

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    Mute Eamon Kelly
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    May 13th 2022, 6:33 PM

    It’s a disgraceful headline

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    Mute Watchful Axe
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    May 14th 2022, 12:42 AM

    @Brendan We Are One Ireland.: That is George Floyd levels of upsetting.

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    Mute Hear me now
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    May 14th 2022, 6:26 AM

    @Brendan We Are One Ireland.: well said

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    Mute GrumpyAulFella
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    May 13th 2022, 2:29 PM

    A US citizen, protected press correspondent murdered on foreign soul by a foreign army and no independent US investigation called for. Very strange and also noticeable that most statements coming out of politicians in the US don’t mention Israel. Unconditional love it seems.

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    Mute Declan Moran
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    May 13th 2022, 3:58 PM

    My experiences with the IDF while in Israel were very unnerving, came across as very heavy handed always. I was only a tourist. Can you imagine living with that every day

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    Mute Eoin Roche
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    May 13th 2022, 2:22 PM

    Disgusting indignity perpetrated by the Israeli security forces. If that was a Jewish Israeli funeral and the remains of the person had been desecrated like that, there would have been a massacre in response.

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    Mute Ernie Gallagher
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    May 13th 2022, 3:47 PM

    Eh, a little more than ‘scuffles’, tragically.

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    Mute Johnny Merren
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    May 13th 2022, 8:25 PM

    This is not the first time the Israeli forces have murdered news reporters,sadly it will not the last. The Palestinian people have been downtrodden continuously by the Aparthied state of Israel for over 74 years now, with the help of financial and military assistance by the United States of America. 

    There is no analogy in the whole of the 20th and 21st century on what the people of Palestine have had to endure from the Aparthied state of Israel’s occupation forces on an ongoing basis.

    Some examples of the illegal occupation of Palestine /ethnic cleansing / land theft / the building of illegal settlements / house demolitions / imprisonments without charge / the shooting of unarmed protesters / the constant intimidation and violence by IDF on civilians / 

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    Mute Martin O Connell
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    May 13th 2022, 2:34 PM

    Neither the Palestinians or the Israelis can be trusted to investigate this killing!!!! It should be done investigated by the UN or any other independent organisation.

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    Mute Eoin Roche
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    May 13th 2022, 2:43 PM

    @Martin O Connell: 100%. But the Israelis would never allow that on their territory. Justice is almost impossible there.

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    Mute Desmond Lyons
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    May 13th 2022, 2:56 PM

    @Eoin Roche: almost??

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    May 13th 2022, 3:51 PM

    @Eoin Roche: the Israelis have no access to the body the bullet or the evidence the Palestinians have all that. It should be handed over independent investigators.

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    Mute FiannaFáilness FineGaelness
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    May 13th 2022, 3:58 PM

    @Martin O Connell: What investigation is needed she was murdered by an Israeli sniper. You can pretend otherwise if you want.

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    Mute Fr. Fintan Stack
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    May 13th 2022, 4:07 PM

    @Martin O Connell: The Israelis were first out of the traps the other day to say they will not accept an international independent investigation. The US have backed them. US Department of State spokesman Ned Price said: “Israel has the wherewithal to conduct a thorough investigation”.
    Israel doesn’t even recognise the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

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    Mute M Bowe
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    May 13th 2022, 4:08 PM

    @Martin O Connell: which the Palestinian Authority have said they will do.

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    May 13th 2022, 4:48 PM

    @Fr. Fintan Stack: how can they stop the investigation if they do not have any of the evidence.

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    May 13th 2022, 5:08 PM

    @Ray Finn: Hindering or even completely stopping investigators access to the site. Not allowing access to Israeli soldiers for interview. Even if the ICC found individuL soldiers guilty they wouldn’t be handed over. Any investigation needs cooperation from all sides.

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    Mute Martin O Connell
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    May 13th 2022, 5:33 PM

    @FiannaFáilness FineGaelness: how do you know the nationality of the shooter????? Neither you or I were there.

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    May 13th 2022, 5:34 PM

    @M Bowe: and as I said neither the Palestinians or the Israelis are trustworthy enough to give an honest version of events.

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    May 13th 2022, 5:24 PM

    Disgraceful, no dignity for the poor girl’s funeral

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    Mute Charles Coughlan
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    May 13th 2022, 8:51 PM

    Apalling, not alone did they murder her but now they attack her funeral cortege. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-palestinian-mourners-al-jazeera-journalist-1.6452439?cmp=rss

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    May 14th 2022, 2:38 AM

    I am not buying any Isreali fruit, veg or other products for the forseeable fututre

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    May 14th 2022, 12:46 AM

    The headline of this article is disgraceful. At what point did journalists get so lazy or cowardly perhaps?

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    May 13th 2022, 11:13 PM

    You’d drop whatever your carrying if you where having the legs batterd of you.

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    May 14th 2022, 10:08 PM

    What do you expect from a Racist Apartheid State

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