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THE IRISH ARE the “kith and kin” of British citizens and are not considered immigrants, according to the UK Independence Party (UKIP).
A spokesman for the British political party said the “shared history between Ireland and the UK” meant the Irish were not considered foreigners.
He added: “I do not anticipate any suggestion that the Irish would be expected to join the work permit scheme for immigrants – the Irish are simply not immigrants but our kith and kin.
“I could mention at this point that Parnell is regarded as something of a hero by Mr Farage, and that we have an Irish Press Officer in Brussels as well as many friends in the Republic from the days of the ‘No’ campaign against the Lisbon treaty.”
UKIP has launched a controversial campaign featuring a British construction worker sitting on the pavement with a cup for donations beside the caption ‘EU policy at work’.
Another poster features the Union Jack being burnt from its centre, with the EU flag coming through the gap.
The UKIP spokesman said the party was not anti-immigration but favoured controlled immigration through work permits that would “ensure the correct quality and quantity of workers”.
Under its proposals, Irish immigrants would be exempt from the permits.
Earlier today, the party’s leader Nigel Farage made headlines for an exchange with BBC Political Editor Nick Robinson.
During the interview, the MEP said that he did not believe his wife was taking a British job by being his secretary.
Natasha Browne is an Irish journalist living in London. See more here.
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Thanks UKIP, we’re very grateful!
The establisment are getting very worried about UKIP. This must be the 2nd or 3rd story Ive seen in an Irish rag about UKIP in the last few days. At least the Brits are getting it. EUSSR we want out!!!
Gonna miss you Danny boy! What eussr sir?
UKIP are terribly racist https://twitter.com/ThomasEvansUKIP/status/458357647448633344/photo/1
The red thumbs didn’t look at your link I take it
Does the ‘kith and kin’ include the Indian and Pakistani along with the Paddy in UKIP’s estimation ?
sarcasm lost on some !! UKIP are not racist !!
The guy standing by Farage’s right shoulder is a Mr. Black I believe, first name … Token! :D
There is, My friend a stark void exists between racism and ignorance, Unfortunately we as a collective suffer from the latter.
The guy on the left got in as he hates gays and women.
And he ‘on the left’ of such political beasts of burden!!
UKIP are racist.
Thats what Enda thinks too
I have worked with people from all over the UK all my working life and don’t consider them foreigners.
I do
If you weren’t born in Ireland and you move here you are a foreigner …. I’m not anti-foreigner but there are 80k on the live register long term I think they should be deported.
I think you are anti-foreginer Glen. Deporting someone because of their nationality pretty much says ‘hello, I’m anti-foreginer’.
I didn’t say that I guess you can’t comprehend what I’m saying, probably on purpose.
You said 80k unemployed foreigners should be deported – not that hard to comprehend. Am I incorrect?
But people like me so harney
Are ok with people coming here and exploiting our liberal welfare laws
Question
Are you even Irish ?
Yes you are incorrect
I have no problem with people coming to Ireland and working I myself have worked overseas
I do have an issue with those who come here and exploit our country.
Yes I’m irish (not that it is relevant). You haven’t answered my question, are you not proposing that unemployed people be deported on the basis of their nationality whilst also stating that you are not anti-foreginer?
I’m saying that if people come here for the sole purpose of exploiting our welfare laws, which so many have they should be deported.
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What part of that have you got an issue with?
You need 2 years living and paying tax before you can expect anything
But that’s not what you said Glen. You clearly said that there are 80k on the live register and they should be deported.
That’s different from saying that only those who came here to exploit the welfare system should be deported.
The first is clearly anti-foreginer Glen.
Now, all you have to do is go down through all foreign people here, find the ones who have worked in the past and allow them to stay and then find a way of identifying the others … good luck.
I could think of a few Irish we could deport to balance things up?
@martina
wrong,check it out
Incorrect again
I said 80k long term
Long term as in not looking to work
Try reading the comments correctly read them twice if you have to
At the end of the day as a tax payer that is my position and no matter what you or anyone else says that’s that!!!!
Martina
Irish people returning to Ireland must be back in the country 2 years before they get assistance.
That’s someone who was born here that’s a disgrace.
Long term is simply over 12months – in a 6 year recession. It does not necessarily mean not looking to work.
P.s. – you forgot to take your ball with you seeing as you seem to be going home …
Me so harney
I have seen you come on here time and time again and twist people’s comments in order to start an argument as you are not capable of debating what has been said
You are a childish troll cop on
@Glen; I consider yourself, myself and everyone else commenting here to be earthlings…
I didn’t twist anything at all Glen – I simply quoted your comments. Maybe you should be a bit more careful about what you say.
You misquoted my comments
Go troll someone else your boring me now.
Glen when your in a hole the smart thing to do is stop digging.
Sean
If I am ever in a hole I will take your advice under concideraton
How can I misquote you when your quotes are above in black & white for everyone to read Glen?
By the way, it’s consideration – with an ‘s’ as in ‘s’ for shovel ;)
Glen ! Unmask yourself… Sir !
There are too many foreigners signing on, I would have no hesitation deporting them.
Idiots.
People are so naturally greedy in this world. If you come here because your own place is a shit hole and you are happy to live off the dole which means extremely basic living then be my guest. If your own home is that bad then go for it. Even though I’ve to work that bit harder, at least I know that some people on this planet are at least living a happier existence.
I think most people don’t realize that most of this planet are dirt poor. I mean horrifically. Look at you, complaining about other human beings ‘scrounging’ off ‘our’ system. Open your god damn eyes… Their is no ‘our’ system. We’re a rock floating in the middle if fcuking space at 44,000km per hour. We all eventually die in the end and never really truly own anything. This man mad moronic system has warped the human race into a slave like being, who because of the lack of this man made currency in the ‘system’ has evolved to become more selfish, more greedy and hold more negative views on eachother. We label eachother. We have ‘nations’, ‘race’ we even label our sexuality…
Complain all you want about each other, but know this. The only way we are going to evolve as a fcuking race is by using all our knowledge to help each other. You idiots… Such a poor time I was born in. We haven’t even evolved much further than the bloody Ape.
BeeShop, very well said! Puts that whole thread in perspective…
Bee shop, have you forgotten that you are not supposed to post ANY printed words when you have been drinking. Your rage is plain to see.
Worse than a tattoo, it is there for ever.
Glen. Give up. Harney has your number. Just put the shovel down.
Really Glen? What about people born in the UK / USA/ Australia to Irish parents who then returned here during various boom times from Lemass’ 1960′s up to the Celtic Tiger years. Where would you deport them to?
@Well said Bee Shop, primitive nationalism and peoples’ greedy egos cause so much problems. Imagine being an alien passing by earth and looking at all of the disparity, governmental internecine, racial, ethnic and cultural conflict etc., they’d have such contempt for us.
@john bawn
I’m actually in the middle of working full time and completing my final college examinations at night at the moment. I haven’t had a drink in a good while, can’t wait to if I’m being honest. I guess sone people like yourself like assume a lot, assumptions like the one you have about me make no relevance to what I actually said and make you look like grumpy freak.
Irish people are not seen as immigrants in Britain. English, Irish, Scottish & Welsh all the way. Great islands, Great people.
They are right about one thing. Immigration /integration within the EU has been far too quick and too soon.
Of course we’re their kith & kin. We’re the only immigrants in the UK to have full voting rights and one of the largest in numbers. As far as UKIP are concerned, every little helps.
Exactly, was just about to post this! It’s canvassing of the only immigrant population with voting rights, nothing more.
Since recently moving to the UK as an Irishman I must say I haven’t once felt anyway lower class or discriminated against, which is great,Just treated totally normal and with respect. Australia on the other hand in some ways was a different kettle of fish.
Not for European Parliament elections.. any EU citizen resident in another EU Member State can vote in that Member State’s European Parliament elections.
Exactly. White, english speakers. The rest of them can f**k off back to Bongo Bongo Land, eh Nige?
I think it’s more a fact that Bulgarian and Romanian workers etc. will work for low wages, so they take British jobs or undercut their wages. Irish workers don’t do that as we’re arguably used to a higher standard of living than even the Brits and so we demand fair wages. On the face of it it might look like racism and I’m sure it is as simple as good old-fashioned racism for a good many of their voters, but not for the top people in the party.
I still don’t like them though.
They are no kin of mine……….
Controlled immigration ala America, Australia and Canada is a good proposal, but UKIP’s problem is that they want to apply it to certain states within the EU like Romania, I agree the EU expanded too far too fast and that’s caused an upswing in anti immigration sentiment but you can’t cherry pick which eu citizens you admit
Yes we’re in…feck the rest of them!
It’s also probably best not to assume that everyone from Romania is a gypsy.
The gypsies in Romania are not of European descent. They are Roma gypsies from the Indian sub-continent. The fact that they are called “Roma” and live in Romania is just a coincidence.
If people want to stop Romanians from travelling throughout the EU because of gypsies, then they might as well look at the Irish in the same way.
Yes, that’s right. What I’m saying is that the Travelling community does not represent the people of Ireland. The Roma community does not represent the people of Romania.
Sometimes you have to be condescending so that stupid people understand what you’re saying.
Jeez I’m honoured…fu#k Off
UKIP
Hang on,
So Irish are considered ok because of their shared history?
The shared history comes from a occupation of the Island of Ireland, if we apply the same logic to former “British Empire” lands then its also ok for….
- Residents in Hong Kong
- Australians
- Canadians
- Indian’s
- Pakistani’s
- Jamaicans
- Numerous countrys in Africa that were former colony’s
- People from numerous other islands and colony’s’
These all very much have a shared history with England and it would be an awful shame to ignore those very strong links to the former British Empire “masters”. in fairness its the least the English can do for years of slavery, oppression etc
Come on UKIP, what do you say. Its either all or nothing on this one. If you don’t accept these places then please don’t accept Ireland….I for one want nothing to do with UKIP.
he only accepts ireland because he still considers us to be part of britain
They’re our closest neighbor and largest trading partner. The Irish have went there and actually integrated unlike most other nationalities. As a consequence Irish people and people of Irish descent are in high profile and influential positions. The culture of our countries is similar.
exactly charlie nail on head.
@alpha_chaarlie – integration wasn’t required, we’ve been indistinguishable from our closest neighbour for a long time now. They made sure of that when they destroyed our very different native culture.
Britain cannot sustain any further immigration , too many already.
Have a look at the subcontinent. No room on the trains, on the roads, streets or footpaths . And worldwide
forests cleared faster today then yesterday, not enough fresh water , Islands of rubbish growing in the seas, no room for wild Animals, even the Bees are in decline, single species crops won’t sustain pollinating insects,
There are simply too many people, 90 years ago the population was less then 2billion today it has jumped to 7 billion plus. All want a car a house a washing machine bin collections food in wrappers plastic bags an bottles, not to mention a bin collection. And why not- every child’s a winner.
@Archie
You need to build a bridge. Much better to have the UK as an Allie rather than an enemy. What are you suggesting we do, start some fresh bombing campaigns? Constantly reminding the current establishment of what their predecessors did hundreds of years ago will achieve nothing good. And just to back up my earlier point, I bet you were unaware that current PM David Cameron and a previous prime minister, Tony Blair both have Irish mothers.
The Irish speak English, work hard, and dress like the native people of Britain.
I hear you’re an A la carte racist now Father …
Finally a relevant and not overused Ted quote.
I’m British, lived hear 15 years and I have no problem with the fact that I am, in fact, a foreigner. I have always felt welcome to this wonderful country despite the small number of 4rsehol3s who have a problem with me being here, or British, or both. UKIP? *shudder* I dread to think that they might ever consider me one of THEM.
I lived in the UK for 10 years and was made feel very much at home there. I often heard the sentiment “one of us” meant in the context of a fraternal bond born of nothing but respect and kindness. I hope you continue to experience kind here RH
UKIP: A great bunch of lads
I remember when they used the Irish flag as a beermat. They seem to consider Ireland to be part of the UK, I hope they never get into power.
We need an equivalent to ukip in this country the way things are going , the indigenous Irish are being pushed out of their own country, foreign nationals everywhere
And what’s wrong with foreigners? I’m a foreigner here in Spain and I’ve been treated with the utmost respect, I just hope you and your ilk have the decency to treat foreigners in Ireland as such. It wasn’t the foreigners who pushed us out but our own people Don’t Forget That.
@jamesy
Good be sure to stay in Spain you arrogant tool
well with people like yourself in Ireland with your inward looking, sheltered aswell as narrow mindedness sure why would I come home?
Eamon de Valera was a foreigner. So was Wolfe Tone through descent. As were Connolly, Markievicz, Hyde, Childers, and anyone with the surnames Fleming, Jones, Williams, Walsh, Doyle, Burke, Fitz(insert ending), Redmond, Stewart, Davies, Fallon, McAuliffe…
@straightalker
If you want to see an arrogant tool, just look in the mirror
Brian, you are right about everything except the surname Fitzpatrick is native to Ireland, the rest are Anglo-Irish.
@justin
well judging by the head on you i would`nt say its too pleasant looking in the mirror!
@Brian Ó Dálaigh Straighttalker doesn’t know who those people are.
Fitz Patrick is not native. It is a Norman name. Sorry about that.
Who gives a shit whether people are foreign or not? We are a financial basket case. We are not attractive to anyone that wants to come here in search of a better economic life. All you have to do is look at the massive drop in refugee numbers since the crash if that’s your concern.
Personally, I don’t care who comes here provided they obey the law and want to work hard (and it helps if they are friendly too).
@Seamus, correct Fitz is Norman.
True, Aran. FitzPatrick is the only Fitz- surname that is of Irish origin. The rest are not all Anglo-Irish, however. De Valera is of Hispanic origin. Markievicz is Polish (the original was Markiewicz). Hyde is English. Childers is English. Fleming is Belgian. Jones, Walsh (originally Welsh and spelled as Walsh, Walshe, Welsh, Welch, Wallace, etc.) and Davies are Welsh. Williams is English. Doyle was originally Dubhghall meaning dark foreigner – a reference to Norsemen/Vikings. Burke is Norman. Most Fitz- names are Norman (Fitz being an earlier rendition of modern French Fils, meaning son of) Redmond is English, Stewart is Scottish. Fallon is German. McAuliffe is Viking (from Mac Olafr, or son of Olafr – Olafr being the contemporary version of the name we know today as Olaf). And those are just the ones off the top of my head. Foreigners have always come to these shores. Sometimes they came in mass waves (such as the arrival of the Vikings, the Normans, the Planters, etc.). Other times they came in dribs and drabs (the English, Welsh and Scottish during the 19th century). It has always been the same and it will always be the same.
All Fitz- surnames, with the exception of FitzPatrick, are Norman. FitzPatrick is the only native Irish surname with the Fitz- prefix. Originally it was Mac Giolla Phádraig, or son of the servant of Patrick. In the Isle of Man it became Mylepherick. In Ireland it became either Gilpatrick or FitzPatrick. The Fitz- was added at the time of the Norman invasions, but the families themselves were not Norman, but native Irish.
Interesting, Brian. Good stuff.
And I accidentally gave you a thumbs down btw.
Does anyone really care about the thumbs? ;)
Ireland’s population today is a homogenous mix of Gaels, Vikings and Normans. Three great ingredients.
Ireland’s population today (excluding those who arrived in the last 20 years) is a mix of pre-Gaelic, Viking/Norse, Norman, Flemish, Welsh, Scottish, English, German, French, 19th century Polish, early 20th century Russian, and a lot more. We’re a lot more diverse than you might think. And, I don’t think you know what the word homogenous means. Using the word homogenous followed directly by the word mix is a bit of an oxymoron. Either the population is homogenous or it’s heterogenous. In Ireland’s case our population is very much heterogenous.
The use of word “homogenous” directly followed by the word “mix” is an oxymoron. Either we are homogenous or heterogenous. And before the arrival of immigrants over the last 20 years, Ireland was still very much a heterogenous country. We are a mix of pre-Gaelic, Gaelic, Viking/Norse, Norman, Flemish, English, Scottish, Welsh, French, German, Polish, Russian, etc. (the latter two in the late 19th and early 20th centuries).
Ugh, sorry about the (almost) double post. It wasn’t showing two minutes after posting for some reason.
The surname Moran for example is pre-Celtic and is one of the oldest names in Ireland. A surname like my own could be considered Gaelic, but there were people in Ireland for 5000 years before the Celts arrived.
That’s is incorrect I am well aware of the meaning, a homogenous mixture is a well used scientific term. In this case meaning many of us today have “the same” composition of genes derived from a number of primary sources namely (Gaels, Vikings, Normans (who were also Vikings originally ) and many of our cities today where Viking settlements. We of course have other contributors but I was only naming a few groups who as one can see with our surnames etc are amongst the chief contributors.
Ukip wouldn’t my cup of tea but probably have to admit Britain made the right call on opting out of the euro – plus it’s going to be fastest growing big Eu economy – the demographics point to them overtaking Germany – that’s why they can call the shots in the coming years
The UK is and has been suck in a fiscal rut for years with no real sign of exiting on the horizon. I too agree they were right not to enter in the euro first day. I don’t think their reasons for it were economic at the time though. More to do with ideals of sovereignty (which by default turned out to be true if compared to us, though likely not their initial reasoning).
I agree with your sentiments, but demography, as an indicator of future financial growth in this case, I just can’t see the connection.
It’s a much younger country in demographics than France or Germany though old compared to Ireland – and while not a superpower as nation it has London which is a superpower city that only possibly new york could rival in terms of a financial centre
London as financial capital of the world (which it is, superior to NY in fact) cannot sustain 60 million people. Also, once the UK exits, France and Germany will target it and make sure the financial Capital ends up somewhere in Germany within 20 years.
Think you’re confusing Germany and France.. Germany has 16 million people and about $1 trillion in GDP on the UK..
Germany’s population is 82 million.
Anyone for a Irish Republican Independence Party?
No
sounds good too me
Why not, parties get funds from the government anyway and can draw away expenses. Nothing to lose!
All those lovely expenses, yummy
Just leave it at Republican Independent Party for the initials alone.
West Brit Defence League…..kindred spirits, twice removed!!
Are you going to join and then kill people in a fight for the 6 counties?
Meeting at 9pm in Flowing Tide, I’ll be the smoking garden.
Friends like that, who needs enemies? Peace and love guys is what we need more of on this planet – not hatred and emphasising our differences – we are all human beings under the skin sharing the beautiful blue planet!
Let’s stop beating around the bush and call out these right wing parties for what they are.. Ultra nationalistic racists , who need to be opposed at every turn. I hope people haven’t forgotten how fascism grew unchecked in Europe in the 30s..
UKIP has black and asian members, hardly racist. Don’t confuse then with the BNP, they are fascists.
The “I” in UKIP represents their core constituency; Ignorance.
I know who I’d be voting for if I were a Brit. Farage is the only one with the balls to stand up to the EU.
Good luck UKIP.
You don’t have to be a Brit. You just have to be registered to vote in the UK.
Screw UKIP. Screw Farage. That is all.
“UKIP: The Irish are our ‘kith and kin”
Why do I not feel reassured by that statement/headline?
These guys are riding on the back of British anti EU sentiment. I would really hate to see them get into power in the UK.
Well don’t let the unionists in Northern Ireland hear you say that ukip. They will be up in a heap!
I think UKIP get a bad press.Look at the options we have in Ireland when it’s time to vote.
If I were in England, I would certainly vote for them. I wish we had an Irish nationalist party.
Here is your race based politics. Go nuts.
We r not British so thanks but feck off
u r dum
These boys are dangerous, they’re no friends of ours. We should shun them. British National Front in disguise.
The British right wing have completely changed their tune since the days when we were considered subhuman.ah,the 80s.
I think it might be because Pat Rabbitte refers to Britain as ‘the mainland’. It doesn’t help when the Irish Government can’t be clear which country they were elected in.
I have heard Englishman referring to Britain as “the Mainland” – but he was quickly put in his place by a Dutchman who politely pointed out that it as just a reasonably big island off a continental land mass – which IS the mainland.
UKIP, like the BNP and EDL before them, go after and get the support of second generation Irish in Britain, many of whom are right wing, xenophobic and perfectly suited to the UKIP manifesto. It also helps that we can vote in all UK elections unlike other migrant groups. They quickly forget how the far right treated previous generations who arrived in the UK in the 60s and 70s and the cycle of racist abuse continues.
“No blacks, no dogs, no Irish” indeed!
Faraj (pronounced Farage) is Malasian for vagina.
Nibble Faraj!
BNP said the same thing a couple of years back.
If we have a look at who conquered / invaded Britain over the centuries – the Romans (Italy); the Saxons (Germany); the Vikings (Scandinavia); and the Normans (French) – what “pure-blood” British race are UKIP representing? Or is it just darker-skinned or those from Eastern Europe that they have a problem with?
You forgot the Angles, the Jutes, the Belgic Gauls, the Irish, the Scots, the Picts..
Why because we look and sound the same? Idiots!
Yeah, we love the Irish. Well…apart from the ones from Connaught. They might have a bit of Spanish blood in them, and that blood may be tainted by the Moors. The Spaniards used to have fair skin like us, don’t ya know.
We’re also going to have to ask you to leave if you’re a fan of Thin Lizzy. That Lynott fella’s skin was a bit too dark for us.
That’s why the Connacht men have a little extra joie de vivre, splash of Spanish seasoning on top of (Gael, Norman,Viking) :-)
What about Irish Muslims, are they as open to them?
If they’re Irish, yes. Otherwise they’re no different to, for example, British Muslims/Christians/Sikhs/etc of Pakistani origin.
So what they are really saying is they still think we are part of the british empire and want to continue using us as cheap labour to build their country.
Just for fun, It would be interesting to see the reaction from other countries, if Britain threatened to leave the planet.
Of course they only really mean the white Irish people who look and sound pretty much like them. They wouldn’t fancy Irish people who are black, or have funny accents, or any of that malarkey. I can safely say that I don’t want no kith nor kin with UKIP you big bunch of racists :)
I live next door to English people, and they don’t send their kids to the local Catholic school.
They might be Protestants. Should I shun them?
Time for bed Terry, you’re overtired!
UKIP – The Bankers and corporations party – pushing the idea of free trade deal and investor state dispute resolutions. Don’t be fooled, they are the Right wing, Tory, white middle class, with sound bite politics –
A UK version of the Tea Party, including some swivel eyed loons and have only regard to court the Irish vote.
Look at their ramblings against what they consider the EU social model, and think how would Ireland have faired under such an arrangement. They are only interested in keeping the rich rich, and pulling up the draw bridge behind them.
They also continuously confuse the EU with the European court of Human Rights in discussions.
But its a simple message – them foreigners is bad.. and all our laws is made in Europe and we can’t make no laws ourselves. They must have some money behind them – they sent me a leaflet this morning and it looks like a standard house drop to everyone. .. thats everyone in Northern Ireland ?
As a non EU immigrant ( Canadian of Scottish descent ) I rally don’t understand the system here, then someone told me something that maede it clearer for years Irelands biggest export was their people, and the system isn’t set up for people immigrating into the republic who don’t need any benefits from the state, I my own health plan, my own pension etc, and they lumped me in with refugees etc . its madding at times.
I don’t believe ukip are racists however I’d imagine that the agenda they’re pursuing, (removing Britain from the European union) appeals to many folk that are. There are a sizable amount of people in Britain would like to see that happen. Both from the left and right of the political sphere.
We’re people of the British Isles more so than Europe. The Man U – Moyes sacking story as lead on all modes of media in Ireland says mire about the true situation than Nick Farage ever could.
I think if Britain left the EU, it would be bad for Ireland, bad for Britain, bad for Europe and bad for the world.
They been recalcitrant since day one, goodbye and good riddance I say, it’ll be a mere ripple in the pond and the sun will still rise in the morning.
Sorry, none of my kith or kin are multimillionaire, antiworker, inbred toffs that have to post awkward photos in a sad attempt to hide the fact that they’re very racist.
the media hate ukip ..
Thank god!
Why?.
When you think about it, people could still come to Ireland and just cross the boarder and be in the uk and from there travel to England Wales or Scotland ..I can’t see this being very much a success .
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