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Strike likely at Irish Rail as second union rejects pay deal

Both the NBRU and SIPTU have now voted to reject the deal.

THERE’S AN INCREASING threat of strike action at Irish Rail after members of another union voted to reject cost-cutting proposals at the company set out by the Labour Court.

Members of the National Bus and Rail Union voted down the compromise deal by a margin of 3 to 1. The proposals included pay cuts ranging from 1.7 per cent to 6.1 per cent.

SIPTU has also voted to reject the deal, and are now balloting on strike action.

“Our members have been sending a consistent message through three separate ballots on retrenchment proposals,” NBRU General Secretary Dermot O’Leary said this afternoon.

The responsibility for the financial situation at Irish Rail lies squarely with the Minister, whose Government has overseen a 27 per cent subvention reduction from €149 million in 2011 to €117 million this year.

“Our members have been consistently telling the Company that there are areas of non-payroll savings that we have identified which to-date have not been seriously considered by the company towards reducing the cost base.”

SIPTU members voted by 51 per cent to 49 last week to reject the deal.

They’re now being balloted on industrial and strike action, which would be triggered if management attempt to implement the cuts.

Irish Rail has warned that the failure to implement cost-saving measures will result in redundancies and the closure of some lines.

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    Mute Dobby Dooo Dooo
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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:28 AM

    They’re very brave deleting accounts when Donald has days left in office. Where were they 4 yrs ago?

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:53 AM

    @Dobby Dooo Dooo: They probably needed something tangible, i.e the insurrection, to justify the removal. Or at least, thats what I would assume.

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    Mute Jim Buckley Barrett
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    Jan 12th 2021, 9:00 AM

    @Dobby Dooo Dooo: you’re right, Trump is a bully and would have used his office to punish Facebook, Twitter etc that’s why they couldn’t do much until now

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    Mute Conrad Shields
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    Jan 12th 2021, 2:32 PM

    @Dobby Dooo Dooo: They couldn’t be seen to silencing a fairly elected leader. However, since he has now been voted out of office in the last fair election AND he ihas effectively instigated an attempted coup (without military support), they have a moral obligation to do so now.

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    Mute Contrary Mary
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    Jan 12th 2021, 7:22 PM

    @Dobby Dooo Dooo: Busy watching Antifa grow.

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    Mute Contrary Mary
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    Jan 12th 2021, 7:23 PM

    @Jim Buckley Barrett: He tried to hold them responsible for their bias, remember?

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    Mute Dave O'Keeffe
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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:09 AM

    Very funny seeing all the conservatives complaining about losing twitter followers over the weekend.

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    Mute Peter Cavey
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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:45 AM

    @Dave O’Keeffe: I know. I can just imagine Ted Cruz saying, “What? You mean @PatriotBot748334556038 wasn’t a really person?”

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    Mute Dave O'Keeffe
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    Jan 12th 2021, 10:47 AM

    @Peter Cavey: there are comments like this from real conservatives. I’m not joking, Matt Gaetz: “I wish I could lose weight like I’m losing followers during this twitter purge”. Twitter announces theyre taking down neo-nazi and violent insurrectionist accounts and all these clowns quickly start complaining about losing followers.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 11:17 AM

    I love how people think they are progressive, Liberal and forward thinking intellectuals by shutting down a whole significantly portioned section of societies thoughts and ideas that conflict with their own. . .
    What happens when Twitter, Facebook, The Journal etc suddenly aren’t on your side and want to silence you? A dangerous game.

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    Mute Dave O'Keeffe
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    Jan 12th 2021, 11:23 AM

    @Hup Abù: the ideas aren’t being shutdown they broke their contract with these companies and therefore it has been revoked. They can still share their ideas. No company has to deal with a customer they don’t want to. Conservatives made that case in the Supreme Court and won.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 11:31 AM

    @Hup Abù: I also never claimed to be progressive, Liberal, forward thinking or indeed intellectual

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    Jan 12th 2021, 11:36 AM

    @Dave O’Keeffe: As I said in another post. Your view on these just being “private companies” so let them at it is a very simplistic one. They have an over arching power of influence and are a significant aspect of the gogs of our society. Of course at present you are happy with who they choose to not to allow on their platforms, but perhaps consider for a second if you weren’t….. a dangerous game

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    Jan 12th 2021, 11:37 AM

    @Dave O’Keeffe: No you didn’t, but I know you think it

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    Jan 12th 2021, 11:39 AM

    @Dave O’Keeffe: And your avatar is particularly ironic. Jesus

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    Jan 12th 2021, 12:01 PM

    @Hup Abù: are you of the opinion so that Al-Qaeda accounts shouldn’t have been banned? Dangerous ideologies will always be banned, especially when they lead to violence as is the case here.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 12:02 PM

    @Hup Abù: and no, I don’t think of myself as any of those things. I’m the average person.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 12:14 PM

    @Dave O’Keeffe: “Al-Queda” hyperbole much, stretching much. It’s grand I see were you’re at. Just be careful what you wish and desire

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    Jan 12th 2021, 1:14 PM

    @Hup Abù: a dangerous ideology that leads to violence was the example. Funny you’ve never objected to them being banned before this. I didn’t make a comparison between the two by the way, I’m just questioning why you didn’t care when it was a different group inciting violence that was banned.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 1:19 PM

    @Hup Abù: so, to wrap this up, you’re OK with some ideologies being removed. But when it happened to neo-nazis and violent insurrectionists that’s when you got concerned.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 1:20 PM

    @Hup Abù: What you seem to be saying is that Governments should have the power to force publishers to print whatever they tell them too. Is that right?

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    Jan 12th 2021, 1:55 PM

    @Dave O’Keeffe: “No company has to deal with a customer they don’t want to.”

    Including or excluding baking a cake? Just askin’

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    Jan 12th 2021, 2:09 PM

    @Daniel Dunne: including, that’s what the Supreme Court said

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    Jan 12th 2021, 2:13 PM

    @Hup Abù: banning ar£seh£les is fine by me.. left or right ar£seho£les.. I’m Centre myself.. sid them touting childish conspiracy twaddle..

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    Jan 12th 2021, 4:10 PM

    @Dave O’Keeffe: Question: If you think dangerous idealogies that lead to violence should be removed from the platform, do you believe that Antifa/BLM accounts should be removed from the platform given the months of violence caused by them last year? Or is it just right wing ideologies that lead to violence that you’re against?

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    Jan 12th 2021, 7:27 PM

    @Dave O’Keeffe: Where were they complaining?

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    Jan 12th 2021, 7:44 PM

    @Hup Abù: Well written. One step closer to North Korea. My best friend was in Cuba when a real dictator took over. The thought police took her father. He was never heard from again. The propaganda is very similar, she tells me.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:27 AM

    Why has it taken so long? The damage has been done. Twitter and Facebook just trying to cover their @rse.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 9:40 AM

    @Seán Óg: because ironically Trump signed an executive order removing some protections social media companies had. He was making them accountable for the content of postings….

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    Jan 12th 2021, 11:49 AM

    @Seán Óg: yeah, the enablers of Trump are not so supportive now that he’s leaving office. On another note, I often enjoyed reading tweets from qanon accounts though I could never quite work out if people actually believed what they posted

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    Jan 12th 2021, 7:52 PM

    @Seán Óg: But there’s nothing to cover, right? They are private companies (which trade on the stock exchange, so not sure how that works, but yeah. That’s the mantra here.) The bill President Trump was pushing would have held them responsible for QAnon, Antifa, and bias actions that have shaped elections. Shame he wasn’t able to do that. Like anyone with any knowledge of history will tell you, supression sends people underground where it’s harder to fight them. Congrats!

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    Jan 12th 2021, 7:55 PM

    @Critical Thinker: Then you were an enabler too. I’m sure 8 chan or reddit will help you keep in touch.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:25 AM

    Trump’s “Stand Back and Stand By” comment has really come back and bitten him in the proverbials.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:34 AM

    @ianglen: I was shocked that neither the moderator nor Biden thought to call him out on that comment during the debate. Talk about a call to arms!

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:43 AM

    @Barry Evans: At least Biden got him to say it, still remember it and being shocked that Trump came out with that comment.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:49 AM

    @ianglen: Putin got him to say he doesn’t trust his own security agencies.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 10:28 AM

    @Dave Thomas: very true

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    Jan 12th 2021, 12:36 PM

    @ianglen: Do you remember the question he was asked when he said that?

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    Jan 12th 2021, 12:40 PM

    @Padraig Corcoran: Biden asked Trump to denounce the Proud Boys and true to form Trump couldn’t help himself..

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    Jan 12th 2021, 7:58 PM

    @ianglen: And a whole bunch of people have run to their fav social media to get info that no investigation has established. Congrats to our resident curtain twitchers on both sides of center.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 9:01 AM

    First they came for Q Anon…

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    Jan 12th 2021, 9:07 AM

    @SC:… No

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    Jan 12th 2021, 12:32 PM

    @Derek: why? The original poem is by a priest who was delighted when the Nazis took out the pro-Soviet communists and later realised the same measures would be used against more moderate dissenters.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 9:13 AM

    This will only convince deranged Qanon supporters that they are correct.Using censorship as proof of conspiracy beliefs and driving their conviction in following orders from the devine Trump. God help USA

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    Jan 12th 2021, 10:41 AM

    @Barney r: Was just thinking that, these guys are just gonna find each other other places online and radicalise eachother through the hype of being, censored’.. Scary

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    Jan 12th 2021, 11:42 AM

    Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.

    Noam Chomsky

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:09 AM

    This is gonna make a really dumb film one of these days.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:11 AM

    @Graham Manning: ‘The Battle of Sweatysburg’

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:16 AM

    @Dave O’Keeffe: “Hamburger and Fries Hill”

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:18 AM

    @Hughie Lynch: one flew into Capital hill

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:55 AM

    @Ciarán Ó Dubhda: White House Down…… the crapper

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    Jan 12th 2021, 9:32 AM

    @Dave O’Keeffe: all this bigly great tremendous number of years ago, our forefathers…

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    Jan 12th 2021, 9:06 AM

    And que the complaints from the “free speech” keyboard warriors….

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:23 AM

    Bit late now!

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    Jan 12th 2021, 9:27 AM

    @Gina Carroll: Better late than never.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 11:21 AM

    @Seán O’Loughlin: why the damage has been done.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 5:36 PM

    @Gina Carroll: that was my immediate thought … too little to late from Twitter and VERY disingenuous doing it two weeks before Trump goes after giving him free reign for years

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    Jan 12th 2021, 8:55 AM

    4 years too late.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 9:13 AM

    Bet the flat earth society are shayting themselves

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    Jan 12th 2021, 10:05 AM

    I’ve been taking a nosey around Gab. Man there’s some really deranged people out there, real scary.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 9:18 AM

    Why dose QAnon start with 2 Capital letters

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    Jan 12th 2021, 9:59 AM

    @barreeeeeeeee: (Q) question and (A) answer. (non) nonentity.

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