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AER LINGUS MANAGEMENT is to meet with union representatives today over the escalating row between cabin crew workers and the airline.
The meeting is due to take place at 1.30pm today at Dublin Airport.
Last Friday, cabin crew held a one day strike, grounding more than 200 flights and reportedly costing the airline over €10 million.
The disagreement between management and staff centres around rostering, with the IMPACT trade union saying that staff are frustrated with having to work erratic hours that are not conducive to a balance of work and life.
While it was expected that those who took part in the one-day strike would see their wages docked, yesterday Aer Lingus took further measures against staff by stripping cabin crew of flight perks which allowed them avail of discounts for unfilled seats on flights for themselves and family.
Talks
Speaking to TheJournal.ie, Michael Landers Assistant General Secretary of IMPACT said that they would not comment on last night’s move by the airline to remove privileges but said that it would be a matter that would be raised at today’s meeting.
Landers said there aim today is to get the changes to the roster that they have been campaigning for - 5 days on and 3 days off – similar to the work pattern of Aer Lingus pilots.
“We will be looking for a firm timetable for changes to be implemented,” said Landers.
Following last Friday’s strike, Landers said that cabin crew were “determined” to follow this through, saying, “staff are simply fed up with the rosters situation and the “company’s failure to sort it out!.
Last week, prior to the strike, the airline’s executive for flight operations Robert Somers said that there would be job losses if the roster change was implemented.
Niall Shanaghan from IMPACT told TheJournal.ie that it was “scaremongering used against their own staff at the eleventh hour” and something they were “accustomed to”.
Landers said “there is no link between what we are looking for and what Aer Lingus say they will be forced to do such as relocating jobs to North America”.
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Very accurate quote from Adams. The idea that intelligent men like McGuinness sought out conflict ignores the reality of what being a Catholic in NI was. While I strongly disagree with most of what the IRA did, they spoke the only language that the British government understood – military force. The reality is that, without the likes of McGuinness, people who were able to assume both military AND political roles, we likely wouldn’t have peace on this island.
A great servant to his country.
@Camroc: The fact that he acknowledged both his military and political roles is a huge par of the reason why he was as respected as he is.
He took ownership of his past and responsibility for it. That took integrity.
We need all people to show that level of courage. Those who continue to lie about their past do a disservice to peace.
@Diarmuid: diarmuid you are anything but a spokesperson for Catholics in the north.
@Diarmuid: why don’t you give each of your troll statements a number so you can quote the number and save everyone time as we heard them so many times we can recognise them from their number.
@Diarmuid: I bet you’ve been pulling the stomach out of yourself since this story broke Diarmuid.
@Diarmuid: ah go blow it up your a** diarmaid. A good man has passed away today. I somehow doubt too many will say the same for you when you pass
@Diarmuid: Diarmuid do you get a hard on every time a Sinn Fein article appears.
Remember, if you don’t love the ‘RA, you’re a troll. Jesus wept.
@Brinster: then support Adams and SF in their quest for a Truth and Reconciliation commission to look into the mistakes made north south and east.
@Diarmuid: well said Diarmuid.
Whether ye loved or hated him much of what the Irish ppl gained was because of his work first as a military commander n later as a politician. His achievements for equality between Irish Catholics n nationalists is unparalleled n he should have been Sinn Féins leader not some eejit like Gerry Adams Martin brought a tireless work for equality. Its said in negotiations between enemies in war ye never get all ya want n some compromise is essential for successful peace negotiations, a lesson england has yet to learn rest in Peace Martin may God grant mercy on yer soul.
@Mick Fenian: hard to tell, Mick… The pacific civil rights movement that were gaining ground and achieved success around the world in other conflicts never had a chance in the”who shouts loudest” couldren of northern Ireland politics. It was easier to be trained to handle a gun than a protest board, so we will never know if peace could have been achieved 40 years ago instead of the perilous anger of the current generation.
@Gulliver Foyle: The pacific civil rights movement? Is that for civil rights in Hawaii? or was it the movement for equal rights between south america and Australia?
Martin McGuinness was a great man – but that said Adams still cannot avoid the spin. The war in the north was not about civil rights – as was oft quoted by McGuinness in his earlier years – it was about Brits out. Its a shame that McGuinness did not get to see it, despite all his hardwork – working under the british crown etc nor will his children see it. So much lost and hardwork over the last 30-40 years to get an agreement that could have been signed off in the early 1970′s if the will had been there on Unionist and Nationalist sides.
@Fear Uisce: I don’t know if he was a good man but he did some good things. There’s a difference in it for me.
Diarmuid, the biggest reason SF was rejected at the ballot box to a certain extinct at that stage was because of a blanket broadcasting ban and Unionism gerrymandering. You conviently forget to mention this.
@Peter McGlynn:
Would that include the murders of Paul Quinn and Robert McCartney?
@iTechStore.ie: From reading your insightful comment, with its accuracy and attention to detail, grammar and historical facts – i know where i shall be purchasing my mobile accessories from now on.
@Old Gabby Johnson: hopefully you actually know what pacific really means… there is actually a chance that it was erased in northern Ireland dictionaries, because,vlike today’s comments, you either see war as 100% necessary, or you are a fool. The ultimate irony is that an Irish population exponentially larger than those “involved” in NI’s “Brits out” programming ended up working in the UK, freely and peacefully able to practice their religion, democratic rights and indeed by joined by a large british republican contingency in non violently opposing the UK monarchy. Futile isn’t the word for the killings in the last 30/40 years.
@Gulliver Foyle: Are you referring to being a pacifist? Because that’s different from being pacific which isn’t really a thing. Unless you live in The Pacific ocean.
@Old Gabby Johnson: oh dear god, you were being serious! Never mind fake news… you can look this up in literally any English dictionary in the whole world as the number 1 definition of the word – even in Irish ones (you might have seen it in police stations – síochánta). How many other common adjectives have you guys being misreading for decades… I think I’ve found out why peace talks never came to anything. Un-f-ing-believable!
Dictionary definition of Pacific:
tending to make or preserve peace; conciliatory: pacific overtures.
not warlike; peaceable; mild: a pacific disposition.
Martins legacy will speak for itself. His paramilitary past must be seen in the context of the times and his unyielding commitment to a peaceful outcome which is just as honest an expression of what he stood for. Bless you on your journey Martin and thank you for your efforts. We have lost a statesman.
@Gulliver Foyle: Do you mean Síochána? ‘You Guys’ ? Who are we guys?
The Civil Rights movement was never called the pacific civil rights movement – it was never a thing. You might be referring to the peace people? Anywho – its quite clear that you haven’t the foggiest… Ná nocht d’fhiacla go bhféadar an greim do bhreith.
@Old Gabby Johnson: you guys – commentators on here who are blanket blinded by opinion that they refuse to even accept common english words as words. “Civil Rights ™” was never a registered name, they have been described as pacific (lower case ‘p’ so not to confuse with the large ocean) for time immemorial. and – siochana = peace, siochanta = pacific or peaceful.
It’s not that hard, but it really hightlights the level of pedantery and obfuscation that we (people who prefer not to kill) had to deal with all these years when McGuinness/Paisley/Wright etc… were the heroes.
Good man Gabby, judging by your views, you belong in the Stone Age, no mobile phones there so I don’t expect to see you as a customer any time soon.
“Martin McGuinness never went to war, the war came to him. It came to his streets, it came to his city, it came to his community”
Very true. Nationalists marched for civil rights and protection from loyalist murder gangs and ethnic cleansing. They were met with british army bullets.
We are closer than ever to the parity of esteem McGuinness struggled for. RIP sir.
@The Risen: Gerry’s statement actually boils down to saying “they started it” as if that excuses his actions, true peacemakers didn’t engage in such atrocities, on either side.
Oh look, it’s the person who trolls until they’re banned, which they consider a badge of honour……
https://twitter.com/uuurfadder/status/750107831320412161
Then sets up another account under the same name and trolls until they’re banned again.
Is this your 4th or 5th ‘diarmuid’ account now?
(Oh, and your posts might be more credible if you acknowledge the atrocities carried out by both sides)
@Diarmuid: your loyalist friends have a lot to learn from Martin Mc Guinness,and the political egos we breed here also.
@The Risen: You don’t always have to account for both sides. I can dislike one violent shower and kinda ignore the other violent shower cos they were ever thus whereas I have higher expectations from my own people.
@Mark Gearey: Please feel free to Google any of the 4-5 diarmuid accounts posts for the last 5 years for signs of him acknowledging the atrocities carried out by the other side in the conflict.
Lets know how you get on.
@Diarmuid: Diarmuid Martin McGuinness will be looked back as an Irish hero in a hundred years from now. A man who brought peace to this Island. A man who crossed the sectarian divide and offered his hand to Ian Paisley and the Queen. He made many Friends in all Political parties including FG.. When your time finally arrived you’ll be remembered for a sad pathetic human being who’s sole purpose in life is to put back up the barriers that Martin McGuinness broke down..
@Scundered: what planet where you on while all this was going on ?
@Boganity: I was living in the north in those days, well aware of the reality of what was going on. The people on either side did not sanction violence from either side, so it was completely unwanted by the vast majority and we could have had peace a long time ago if it wasn’t for people making the decision to get violent. If you want to praise a peacemaker look to John Hume.
SF/PIRA trolls only want us to remember the last decade, not the previous 4.
Rose-tinted historical revisionism and lies will not hide the fact that this man helped inflict tragedy and misery on countless Irish men, women and children.
@Scundered: You are wasting your time trying to educate these people, they have to hold on to their narrative to justify their hero worship, otherwise they would realise that the PIRA campaign achieved nothing except death and destruction, and the “pension” for the lads
Well said Mark. They’re an angry shower.
@The Risen: says jamming… how many accounts have you had? How many times have you been banned? How many twitter accounts?
@Diarmuid: the risen aka jamming aka for connolly
@The Risen: I dunno about doing that. There was two sides at it and yes the Brits def started it. But I don’t live in britland. I dont comment on a site where loads of people think Thatcher or the UDA were heroes.
@Alan Brogan: ‘Alan’ you’re sounding a lot like charlie wrex/fifijamming there. I note your twitter account was created around the same time that those two accounts (being operated by the same person) got banned.
@The Risen: So are you or were you the For Connolly person. Journal comments is a weird gaff sham.
@Scundered: Yes better to let yourself be discriminated against, endure the violence and even murdered rather than do something about it. The British Army was actually deployed to the North to protect Catholics. The fact that they were unable too, forced a desperate people to commit desperate acts of violence.
@Scundered: In May of 1966 the UVF “declared war” on the IRA even though the IRA wasn’t militarily active at the time. The first 2 victims of the Troubles were Catholics killed by the RUC and B-Specials, The first 3 bombings of the Troubles were carried out by the UVF. The first RUC man to be shot was shot by Loyalists.
I’m pretty sure that it is fair to say that Loyalists were responsible for starting the violence that was to go on for almost the next 40 years.
@Scundered: very selective use of facts there Scubdered but the one undoubted fact that you choose to ignore is that, when Catholics asked for equality in the 6 counties they were met with actions that weren’t the work of ‘peacemakers’. That’s a fact and you know it.
A true statesman, the likes of which a nation rarely produces in a generation. He was a great leader who led from the front and was fearless in defence of his people during many many years of repression and suffering. He took risks for peace, gave example and challenged others. He has gone far too soon but his example and legacy will continue to grow and mature among the Republican people he was part of until his goal of a united, free and equal society is finally realised in Ireland.
@Larry Doherty: “His” people rejected his organisation at the ballotbox, north and south, for 40+ years.
He ignored “his” people.
He continued supporting/running a terrorist organisation which inflicted misery on “his” people though bombings, shootings, criminality for 40+ years.
@Diarmuid: another one of your attempts to try blame the symptom for the decease
@Diarmuid: Let go the hate and enlighten yourself,
@Larry Doherty:
So Martin is the true statesman that a nation rarely produces. Fair enough. Does that makes Gerry a spoofer, a liar and a member of the IRA with no credibility?
I can accept that.
Ever wonder why Gerry came south and Martin remained north? The body language from the unionists tells a thousand tales. They accepted mcguinness but hate Adams.
Adams was a bigger terrorist than mcguinness and the “other side” were on the receiving end of his hate for them.
Never in the ra……………me ar*e.
Martin was a patriot who helped carry the hopes and aspirations of the nationalist people of the North and indeed of all Irish citizens who support the principles of equality and respect. He stood by old Ireland and never feared danger. Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.
@Diarmuid: yet Martin achieved something you can only dream of, he met and shook hands with your beloved Queen
Under the tutelidge of his master PM of the time Margaret Thatcher, to this day remains one of the most despised politicians of the century – Norman “The Puppet” Tebbit has more blood on his hands than Martin McGuinness will ever have. As Gerry Adams says in such an articulate manner about his great friend. ” He didnt go to war! War came to him ” For an elder statesman like Tebbit to spout these vitriolic remarks towards a man who only ever wanted peace is nothing short of the lowest of the low, the man is barely cold and he chooses now to release his bad-to-the-bone spue-ings? The problem was and alway will lay at the feet of The British Government under the evil, contemtable, hate filled Margaret Thatcher. As for the narrcisistic – still full of hatred Lord Norman Tebbit? Hes not fit to wear the mantle of Lord – he should be stripped of that title with his scurrilous and very, very dangerous comments, comments that could hinder any form of peace and harmony throughout these lands. Rest in Peace – Martin McGuinness Thank you for your unswerving fight towards a fairer, happier and free land for our children.
@TheGaffer: er, the same Norman tebbit who had to take care of his wife for 30 years after she was innocently maimed and disabled, and he and his family were injured by Martin McGuinness’ personal decision that he, and his fellow elected politicians should be executed. I have no respect for Tebbit, but if you are looking for fawning “when you’re dead, you’re great” love of McGuinness, the last place you would look is someone whose life was destroyed by him.
He was the only leader who was capable of bringing the hard men of the IRA into the peace process and avoid a major split with renegades that has so bedeviled the historical attempts at a settlement of the dire political strife inflicted on the Irish nation. The fact that Rev Ian Paisley and Mr McGuinness were able to bury the hatchet and engage fully in the peace process as genuine peace builders is a testimony to the courage of both men and let us not forget that the bitterness so deeply felt by both communities has yet to fully heal.
Tributes are flowing in for Mr McGuinness in no small part because he took ownership of his past and acknowledged his role in violence.
His renunciation of violence was courageous and helped to deliver peace.
Let us hope that others who continue to lie about their past will see how divisive and destructive their dishonesty is, and will one day can show his level of integrity.
@Diarmuid: Ireland would be a better country without ye and the butchers apron ,the empire has fallen many years ago ,and now the union is on its knees , ye will not be missed .
@William Mcgee: Careful now Wullie, you might fall off your barstool.
@Diarmuid: as William has pointed out your empire has fallen many years ago and with the invoking of article 50 next week it’s going to fall even further till it’s just a Dis-United Kingdom, an economic backwater, that has only one direction left to go….down.
@Brinster: Then lets have the Peace and Reconciliation Commission as called for by Adams and SF. Adams wont be able to hide his supposed IRA past there.
If Adams was ever an IRA member he would have been arrested and charged a long time ago.
Whether he was or was not out with a weapon on Bloody Sunday, and he has categorically denied it was a Tommy gun, and indeed denied that he fired any shot at all that day, though he also affirmed he was acting in defence of his community on that day too, consider for a moment what your own reaction would be if your government, in furtherance of an official policy of apartheid (”A Protestant State For A Protestant People!!”) decided to deploy tip-of-the-spear trained special forces on the streets of your own city against ordinary peaceful civilian protestors who were your friends and neighbours and who only wanted to be treated as human beings and equal members of society. And it came to your hand a weapon as it happened. Not too many of us would turn the other cheek I’ll warrant.
@John O’Driscoll: Derry was a powder keg in the three years before bloody Sunday with the establishment of no go areas as a result of the RIC patrolling and harassing within “free Derry”. The bloody sunday march was supposed to be peaceful, but it coincided with the IRA wishing to escalate their conflict, knowing that the British army were a powder keg after a number of years inside hostile territory (Derry). The only one who can definitively tell us if he brought a machine gun into this environment is now dead
@Gulliver Foyle: “the Bloody Sunday march was supposed to be peaceful”….oh I see what you did there troll. As you well know the civil rights march on 30th January 1972 was a peaceful march of men, women and children. It was the paras who brought weapons of battle to a peaceful march. How dare you try to besmirch the memory of those murdered that day.
@Andrew Corcoran: complete donkey – my relatives were actually there, marching against internment as part of the general civil rights movement, and it was always planned to be a peaceful march as it had been approved, even though there was some violence at previous ones. Little did the majority of the 15,000 people there know that the IRA had a directive (this is well known after the march) to infiltrate the civil rights movement, which is why we are still questioning what was McGuinness mission and motive that day. Nothing takes away from the British Army’s role or guilt, but go back home to your wolfe tones tapes if you think you can berate anyone about someone elses memories – none of them were volunteers, so FRO.
”The terrorist is always the one with the smaller bomb.” – Brendan Behan
The PIRA set off the biggest post-war bomb in these islands in Manchester, in 1996, injuring 212 innocent civilians.
Meets all definitions of terrorism.
@Diarmuid: still smaller than most of the bombs UK dropped on various unoffending countries and their civilian populations since WW2 Diarmuid. Not defending it. Just an objective statement of fact.
@John O’Driscoll: “Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich.” – Peter Ustinov
@Diarmuid: propaganda
Imagine there was a time when RTE interviews with Adams had the audio track muted! How the times have changed.
Times have not changed as much as you imagine. DOBmedia and rte quite openly support ff/fg in favour of sf, you just have to hear pat Kenny interviewing eoin o’broin to know which way the establishment likes it.
@Zx5vZulB: never mind the media, he’s the only person on this island who has to have gaelige subtitles on tg4 when he tries to speak Irish. At least we understood what the dubbed guy was saying.
Setting off bombs in city centres = war crimes.
@MaryLou(ny)McDonald: If you want people to take your comments seriously, try using a less biased name.
@MaryLou(ny)McDonald: As in Dresden or Mosul ???
@Larry Doherty: As in Enniskillen, Warrington, Manchester, Birmingham, Guilford…
@The Risen: At least hers doesn’t look like an advert for Viagra :)
@The Risen: I took it seriously. It is a silly name he’s using but so is yours, so is mine.
@Mark Gearey: If my account name was ‘Bertie is a bo***x’, people would be entitled to view any post I make relating to FF as tainted with bias.
@MaryLou(ny)McDonald: Dublin and Monaghan bombings 1974 that your party FG shut down the investigation of, yes that was a war crime.
@Just Me: Yep, same as Martin’s. Glad you acknowledge he was perpetrator of war crimes.
@MaryLou(ny)McDonald: Very true; as the worst atrocity of the troubles, perpetrated by the British Forces controlled Glenanne Gang demonstrates. Didn’t stop FF & FG from collaborating with those same British Forces though.
@MaryLou(ny)McDonald: the brits murdered 1million in Iraq = WAR CRIMES
@MaryLou(ny)McDonald: As in Dublin and Monaghan, you hypocrite.
RIP Great Man.
A good time to compare and contrast McGuinness and Adams. At least McGuinness admitted his part in defence of his community – it later morphed into terrorism ( his organisation killed more catholics than the british army) – McGuinness saw, I assume, that violence achieved very little. His work for peace within the North was clearly informed by the reality of what a return to violence would involve.
Adams on the other hand, is widely viewed with suspicion and distrust by the wider country – notwithstanding his party supporters.
@Honeybadger197: “his organisation killed more catholics than the british army”
Convenient that you ignore the number of catholics killed by the UVF/UFF i.e. the IRAs loyalist counterparts, no?
@The Risen: Nothing convenient about it. Just pointing out the facts. You said yourself: ” Nationalists marched for civil rights and protection from loyalist murder gangs and ethnic cleansing. They were met with british army bullets” There were also killed by their own, in greater numbers than by the british. Seems contradictory, no? Why were so many killed by those you say were there to protect them?
@Honeybadger197: “There were also killed by their own, in greater numbers than by the british.”
Again, conveniently ignoring the fact that the loyalist paramilitaries would count themselves as ‘british’.
@The Risen: Wow. Does that constitute an answer as to why the IRA killed more Catholics than the British Army? You’re welcome back ‘ for connolly’/ ‘werejammin’
SMH.
@Honeybadger197: You’re blatantly only including a subset of the killings carried out by one side of the conflict to suit your narrative. It’s disrespectful to the victims.
@The Risen: Its disrespectful to point out that more catholics were killed by the IRA than the British army? I think them being murdered in the first instance, overrules your embarrassment, on the disrespect stakes.
@Honeybadger197: No embarrasment here. I’m not the one ignoring an entire category of victims so my numbers add up.
@The Risen: When a former leader of the loyalist terrorist groups dies, and people start talking about how great the loyalist terrorist group was, i promise ill be the first to point out how they too murdered their own people too. Whatabout is the weakest defence of all.
They never did like it when the locals fought back.
The British don’t like being challenged when they invade a country the propaganda machine goes into full swing
Well Derry City has lost two of its favourite sons in the last 3 days in Ryan McBride and Martin McGuinness.
Lord Tebbit is a nasty bitter old man with the comment he has made about Martin McGuinness’s death. If his Queen saw fit to shake his hand that says to me she appreciated what he was trying to achieve.
For a man who failed his ll+ exams to become Min For Education in Norm Iron speaks volumes for the Deery Man
@Rachel Didleu: Pearse himself called the British education system in Ireland a ”murder machine”. Some clue to why he failed might be found there, and in the fact that he was educated in an apartheid society where few advantages indeed accrued to members of his community, both religious and social class.
Rory Connaghan didn’t go looking for an IRA bullet. It came to him in front of his children.
A true Irish hero and statesman and will never be forgotton, unlike the insipid fools in Fine Gael who have thwarted the peace process down the years
Ar dheis dé go raibh a anam.
Very True words. God best Martin McGuinness
Id have more sympathy for these nationalists if they where more than just glorified marxists. irish nationalism consists of hating Britain, nothing more. they want a union with brussels, no better than being a puppet of britain…
@Aodhann: Is that you O’Riodrain ?
Mcguinness was at least honest about his place in the army council and its actions, Adam’s a pathological liar
A nice quote from Adams like the invasion of Islam into Europe they are coming here looking trouble we are not going to their country looking trouble
When the book of History is written, the chapter on McGuinness will be a lot bigger than the one about Adams.
Very valid statement, I don’t don’t think McGuiness grew up shooting pictures of the queen or a total Brit hater(the guy was a cricket fan). He was responding to circumstances and that included opportunities for peace
McGuinness and the republican movement generally used Bloody Sunday to justify the intensification of their armed struggle, but the deaths of innocent nationalists was only a concern when it could be exploited for political ends. That armed struggle saw the Provos murder more nationalists than the Paras ever did, yet there wasn’t one expression of remorse from these hypocrites. Even after the ceasefire the murders continued. Garda Jerry McCabe, Paul Quinn, Robert McCartney and others were all murdered by an organisation whose raisin d’etre was supposedly the protection of Irish nationalists. In the case of the latter, it was the south Belfast IRA unit who’d just returned from Derry following a Bloody Sunday commemoration that decided a totally innocent man should die. It takes hypocrisy to a whole new nauseating level.
Gerry Adams treacherously betrayed the very cause that was the formal principle behind the Provos violent campaign. Many Provo and non people were killed, wounded and emotionally damaged for a cause that was betrayed by the Provo leadership. The GFA was little better than the agreement achieved by the SDLP years before. Yet the Provos helped scupper the latter.
The Provos bombed it’s way to the negotiating table. The result was enhanced career prospects for its Quisling leadership. Simon Féin/IRA was colonised by the British state.
@Paddy Hackett: Should have written non Provo people instead of non people. Apologies!
Wonderful news to hear – let’s hope he has that corner in hell
@Lorraine Gardiner: lets not….
@Lorraine Gardiner: lets not….
Don’t know what point Adams is trying to make saying he was sentenced to jail time on the word of a superintendent..he was sentenced because he was a member of an illegal terrorist organisation..which is still illegal today. Adams trying to say he was unlawfully sentenced or what?
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