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JUNIOR MINISTER ALEX White has said that he does not think Ireland is in a position to fully legalise cannabis but that he keeps “a very close eye” on what’s happening internationally.
The Labour leadership contender was speaking in a wide-ranging interview with TheJournal.ie where he responded to several readers’ questions including one about his position on cannabis legalisation – an area that he has ministerial responsibility for.
White said that while he tracks developments in the US and South America, where some states and countries have legalised the drug, he does not believe that full legalisation is the way to go as those who work in psychiatric and addiction support services believe it would be “a bad idea”.
However, he said that Ireland “should maintain an open mind towards international developments”.
He also said that a lot of the cannabis that is available in Ireland is “an awful lot stronger” than what people would have used in the 70s and 80s when he was a student.
“There’s a lot of really very, very dangerous stuff out on the streets, so the notion of legalising that I would find abhorrent, to be honest with you,” he said.
We also asked the Minister if he smoked cannabis when he was in college. Watch the video above for his answer.
Later today on TheJournal.ie: More from our interview with Alex White where he answers your questions on Labour’s mistakes in government and whether he has been hurt by leadership rival Joan Burton.
Originally published 8.15am
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The reason that weed is so strong is simple… when alcohol was made illegal in the US they were not making light beer… the illegal producers are not working to government laws and regs hence the higher the alcohol content rhe better.. the same with weed when it is legalised it can be controlled as far a strenght is concerned… and as for international monitoring yes a good idea… and anyone who is against it shoild really look at the damage that alcohol does… 99% of people on hard drugs you will find that the first drug they started on was not weed.. it was alcohol
Very well said. The analogy with alcohol is always a good one because most people are more than happy to partake in drink that has regulated strength and is subject to quality control. The alternative is poitín, which is the alcohol equivalent to the demented hydroponic skunk that has saturated the black market.
If milder weed was available across the counter, which was subject to the same quality control and strength restrictions as alcohol, everyone would be happy. We don’t even need to go on about the colossal tax benefits of legalisation.
Completely wrong. The strength of weed has nothing to do with the legality. Large scale illegal growers have nothing to do with modifying the genetics of the plant. That is up to the international cannabis seed companies that spend a lot of time improving different strains.
I think the point being made is that if cannabis was legal, and the strength regulated in the same way as alcohol and sold through legals channels, people would quite happily buy that rather than have to rely on the black market for a cheeky smoke. I for one would be far happier smoking weaker weed i.e. the normal stuff many of us grew up with, if I knew the strength and quality was regulated by law.
Some people don’t drink spirits because it blows there heads off but, because of regulation and labelling, the strength is easy to ascertain, and so the individual can choose something milder like a pint of Guinness. The same could very easily be applied to cannabis.
* their heads off – no excuse for poor spelling.
Stop making a comparison between alcohol and cannabis. Both are completely different. You can smoke all day long, the strongest stuff on the planet and you will be grand. The same can’t be said for alcohol. Drink a single litre of vodka and you might just die.
My last comment is based on actual knowledge on the subject rather than just guessing.
Well, I would defer to your superior knowledge but you’re being irritating.
The comparison between alcohol and cannabis is to do with regulation and quality control, not whether you can sit there all day with a pipe stuck in your gob.
Al ex…you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about
Johnner please explain exactly what I said that was wrong.
Both points are valid I look forward to seen you both at #supportdontpunish June 26 across 7 locations in Ireland
I bet he does
Whats this? An honest Irish politician? He answered a tough question directly, quickly and truthfully. Im scared, this is strange. Im off to Australia, cant be having that here
You’re easily fooled, he’ll say anything to be head of the party.
totally agree, have we not learned already. they will say anything to gain popularity and then massive U turn when they get what they want
#stopvotingforthesespeople
Far from honest, here he is spouting pure bullshit about the so called dangers of cannabis during last November’s cannabis regulation debate – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nwwSgiOd04
Bet he went upstairs on the bus also!!!
@cannibas freedom. I remembered that as well. He a two faced little s*it.Although your link is proof that C Smokers have longer memories that politicans might like.
Probably didn’t pay full fare too….
So what? Who do we vote for?? Sinn Fein? Because they’re telling us everything we want to hear? The next small party in government will have the same faith as the greens and labour least they weren’t a bunch of thugs like Sinn Fein!!
(posted this on the medical marijuana poll the other day, but was too late, so re-posting here where it might be relevant)
While everyone worries about what “healthy” people might do if they get their hands on it, those of us that are dying and finding great relief from medical marijuana are really wondering about justice. Do we worry about opiates getting into the wrong hands? Did you receive opiates after your last surgery? Are you posting angry demands on news forums asking to see the medical evidence for Oxycodone?
I use medical marijuana because it is the _least_ strong thing I can take that works. My neuro-prescribed medication makes me feel about 20X more out of it than marijuana. On marijuana – I can live a normal life: go to work, raise a family, eat food and enjoy being alive. For me, the proof is in the pudding. I experience no negative side effects that I can notice. The prescribed meds make me a zombie and without providing much relief – simple as that.
I treat marijuana the same as any medication, I have a regular dose delivered at regular intervals (not smoked). The “high” you experience disappears – like the side-effects of any medication you grow used to. Here’s an interesting thought: people who take marijuana irregularly, or for recreation, are merely experiencing the initial side-effects over and over again. And it is that experience which we are basing our laws on. How backwards is this way of thinking? Your granny is not ripped out of her mind, listening to sitar music – she is being freed from the prison of unbearable, unrelenting pain.
Meanwhile alcohol reeks havoc under the government’s nose….but turn a blind eye for the profit
Dandy, a point worn out at this stage but absolutely bang on. Slacker legislation around cannabis and much tighter around alcohol is what’s required. Will it happen? No time soon. Not with the Vintners dreaming of days of old, getting rich while people’s lives crumbled.
Lest we forget, alcohol wreaked hovoc on a certain night in Dail Eireann when a piece of legislation exremely important to the people of Ireland, especially the women, was being debated. And guess who had to pay the bill (in monetary terms at least) for that night of self-indulgence!
“There’s a lot of really very, very dangerous stuff out on the streets,”
This guy has no idea what he’s talking about. cannabis . very very dangerous. LOL
Somewhere in Ireland a circus is missing it’s clown this morning..
He’s also missed the point that only by legalising and regulating can the government do anything to make sure that drugs are safe.
Safer if you dont take them!
I wonder does he think it would have been right if he had been caught with it when he tried it and criminalised. The law needs changing.
Did you ask if he felt like a criminal for smoking?
In a very long winded and inefficient way, yes :)
Sure we would only make a hash of the legislation here and there mould be nothing extra in the pot for the government to spent. It’ll be a joint decision of all parties though
Could have added “we’ed” instead of “we would” :-)
Doesn’t he realise if it was legal.people would have better information about the strentgh of the strain their buying etc.
There will always be a black market for cannabis. Cigarettes are legal and there is a huge black market but only because there is massive revenue. Ireland should consider relaxing or legalising the law so that our youth are not being criminalised for possessing small quantities of a natural substance. Regulation will also help us to get cleaner cannabis and increase knowledge on the issue.
difference between cannabis and tobacco, you can grow your own cannabis relatively easy, black market wont thrive under these conditions.
Alcohol kills on average of 3 people a day on Ireland, cannabis has never killed anyone. Alcohol is the main cause of domestic abuse. Alcohol costs our government tens of millions of euros every year, 70 percent of all hospital admissions are alcohol related. So in my opinion the wrong drug is legal. Alcohol kills more people in ireland than all illegal drugs put together. Not only does it give you a little but it also cures and helps with alot of ailments. Then you have the hemp side of it which can offer alot more to society than just a high, paper, textiles, rope, oil, and loads more things.
Malcolm, agree with everything you say except that alcohol is the cause of domestic abuse. Not to be too nitpicky but it doesn’t actually cause abuse although it certainly exacerbates it. this is the result of studies. Counter intuitive isn’t it? And of course calling it ‘domestic’ somehow makes it sound tamer, like a house pet or something. It’s abuse wherever it happens and whoever it happens to. Nothing tame about it.
Possibly the most informed comment I’ve read re: hemp and the like! I’m guessing you’ve listened to joe rogan talk about this?
What’s wrong with hemp?
some seriously scary weed out on the streets, so much stronger than when he was in college, i hear stories of groups of marijuana plants loitering on street corners abusing the elderly, starting fights , and drinking alcohol, shocking
That’s the worst kind… when you mix it with alcohol. No knowing what it’ll get up to.
A lot of populist rubbish coming out of this eejit. Last thing we need is another know nothing, shite talking amadan providing soundbites, as a party leader. We need someone who will provide facts and rational suggestions. Yes the weed available is stronger, thats because we were getting very low quality dangerous crap in this country for so long, and new research has debunked the whole psychiatric issues scam. Some people will develop mental problems. The may also smoke cannabis., Doesnt mean they are linked.
Great comment! That minister needs to look his shit up. Spouting shite without actually research. Everything he said is based on his own idiotic personal opinion. The weed these days is a million times better than even 4-5 years ago. Super high quality strains that give that temporary brain damage that all stoners strive to get.
My mind is opened all right when it comes to the Labour Party.
Just thought I’d preemptively deal with the gateway drug argument before it shows up. I’m glad it hasn’t shown up yet – good work people.
People who start smoking cannabis are probably more likely to move on to other drugs than those who don’t, but this is nothing to do with cannabis itself – it’s because cannabis gives you a gateway into breaking the law. It’s easy enough to buy weed off somebody you don’t know too well – it’s a low-risk (relatively) transaction to both parties and it’s not too expensive, so easy get started.
When somebody first tries/buys weed they are probably doing 2 illegal things for the first time – trying drugs and buying drugs. It is this interaction with a dealer that eventually allows the buyer to obtain stronger drugs, as they’re introduced to drug deals and their nuances in a low-risk manner. The gateway aspect relates to a gateway into doing something illegal, not the health/safety risk of drugs; this gateway is eliminated if cannabis is legal – somebody who wants to try a stronger drug has to make both the step to a stronger drug and the step into illegality together.
Alcohol is a greater gateway to stronger drugs anyway in my opinion, as amphetamines and cocaine are said to work better with it. Cannabis is not just weaker than these drugs – it’s a very different type of drug. If you wander into a smoking area of a night club and approach a bunch of drunk (or even tipsy) people in their mid 20s and offer them a bit of the above mentioned drugs, dutch courage will take over and they will probably be mad for a bit. Will be an order of magnitude less likely if you try this with a bunch of “stoners”. I don’t have the stats but I imagine a lot of drug related deaths occur while people are drunk and aren’t as aware of how much they’ve taken and how hydrated they are. As I said I don’t have stats but from what I’ve seen I think it’s likely.
Hash more dangerous than a bottle of whiskey. I don’t think so.they sound like the pro gun lobby In the states. Go down the town and look at the people sprawled out on the street due to drink and alcoholism. This traditional thinking has done us no favours. I lived in Holland for four years and not once as far as I can remember saw a fight on the street. The coffee shops had three requests on their doors. They were over 18. No hard drugs allowed and no violence. What have we here. Underage drinking. Dealers selling weed and extacy etc and plenty of violence as a result.what’s our answer. More police and stiffer sentences. Aghhh. The mind boggles at the logic behind their argument.
Fair play to him but fück this guy and the whole backward society. I’ll keep enjoying the benefits of weed. An open mind, better sleep, clearer skin.
Alcohol on nights out, I’m not against it.
If everyone would just think for themselves.
I know somebody who achieved a 2.1 physics degree smoking every night, while also having to work to get through the degree. He also has a half marathon time of 1:23.
He laughs when people tell him what weed does to his body and brain.
And if he smoked during the day too he could’ve cut at least 5 seconds off that time ha
I’m sick of defending my cannabis use to close minded people. They’re missing out. Everyone free to do what they want.
Indeed, as long as they’re not hurting others, which is something cannabis doesn’t do much of. Alcohol problems boil over onto other people – some of the worst nights out I’ve ever had with my good friends occurred when one of them got too drunk and either drew trouble on us or just became hassle to take care of. People smoking weed are unlikely to bother other people – in fact I’d argue they’re friendlier while stoned.
It’s easier to “snap out” of begin stoned too. You can spend the entire day smoking and if something serious happens or you need your wits all of a sudden for some reason you can bring yourself back to normality in a matter of minutes, once you’ve a little experience. When you’re absolutely rat-arsed drunk you’re just stuck with it until it runs its course. There are times when you sober up fast but that often requires tears, spilling your guts out to your friends and telling everyone you’re sorry – nowhere near as graceful a transition.
While stoned, the mind can operate in a slightly skewed manner. Ideas you get while drunk tend to go nowhere – maybe jumping from a trolley into a ditch at best. Ideas you get while stoned are often ideas and thoughts the brain wasn’t likely to come across naturally. A guy I know can approach programming or mathematical problems from a different perspective while slightly stoned – this is harmless, interesting and mentally invigorating, and the insight gained is still there later on. Weed has an “enlightening” effect on the brain – I think this is good for a person’s well being.
As for the risk, if there is any, why is ok for a F1 driver or a skydiver to use “the rush” as a rationale for doing something risky, while a casual drug user is being careless?
I bet everyone looks at you like you have two heads when you speak rationally like that Daniel;)
Politician admits to trying cannabis in 2014, Only in backward Ireland would this be considered newsworthy. Who really gives a damn. Personally I don’t smoke because any smoking anything is bad for your lungs imo. I feel sorry for people who are ignorant about cannabis and label people that smoke it as wasters while looking down their self righteous nose.The same people probably go to mass every sunday chanting hosana in the highest to a bearded man in a white tunic who lives in the sky. Go figure.
I think Alex White, has tried more than cannabis,maybe he tried Lucy in the sky with diamonds, and he’s not back yet?
Not all cannabis is the same it’s the very same as alcohol in terms of brands for different effects
You’re not going to drink vodka every night but you might take a glass of wine or a bottle of beer.
Cannabis promotes liberal and free thinking,we couldn’t have that
Smells herby; kind of like he is trying to appease a demographic.
Still I wouldn’t be against this. ‘Decent folk’ should be allowed enjoy a spliff, and I’d be happier to meet a stoned knacker bumbling along the street than one on a cocktail of amphetamines trying to find EUR50 for their next hit from whoever they can rob it off.
Seems the US experience so far of building a herb industry hasn’t gone too badly.
Problem in Ireland is, like alcholol, we can’t enjoy it responsibly and everyone will be binge bonging. There’d be a run on mars bars and the ‘sure it’ll be grand’ work quality ethic will sink to near comatose levels of spladashery.
The clueless nature of these politicians astounds me.
Dope!!
Under the direct democracy system 100,000 signatures would trigger a referendum on the legalization of cannabis. I know who I’ll be voting for next time round
They should at least start by legalising it for people in severe pain, I think they deserve the choice
Legalisation in Colorado earlier this year. Tax take is $5.3m per month. Crime stats are (very mostly) down a huge amount http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/2014/UCR_Citywide_Reported%20_Offenses_2014.pdf
I hear this line about “it’s an awful lot stronger than the stuff back in the day” a lot. Does anyone have any hard data on this? And if so, what exactly is supposed to be more dangerous about it?
The whole issue around potency is a red herring, the more potent the cannabis, the less you use. Cannabis oil is the most concentrated form of cannabis there is, you only use a tiny bit of it, dabbing the oil onto a titanium nail where it’s instantly evaporated, although much more potent, this method is now being viewed as being an overall healthier option as you’re not actually smoking any plant matter.
Can i pick your mind on Vaporisers? I want to stop smoking cigarettes but obviously am not going to stop smoking weed. Iolite any good?
Art, read an article about a fella who gave up tobacco by reducing the tobacco and increasing the weed in his spliffs. it took him 3 weeks.
Hi Art, vaping is great, it takes a small bit of time to get used to it, but it’s so much cleaner and less damaging on your lungs, especially if you’re currently mixing with tobacco. Personally I like to both vape & smoke (but I never use tobacco). I have an iolite, but it started giving trouble, so have stopped using it and now use two different types, both of which I’d highly recommend:
Extreme Q for home use – http://www.medicaljane.com/review/arizer-extreme-q-vaporizer-review/
Da Vinci Ascent for portable use – http://www.thecannabist.co/2014/02/18/ascent-da-vinci-portable-vaporizer-glass-digital-vapes-review/4869/
Both vapes are avaialble online, but if you wish to buy instore, High Rollers on Capel St. sell both.
If looking to quit tobacco, I’d also recommend getting a bong or pipe, so that you can still enjoy a smoke, but without the mixing and before long you’ll be wondering why you ever used tobacco in the first place. The nicest thing I found about quitting tobacco, is that it also removes the neediness for a joint, without the nicotine there’s no craving.
Thanks Cannabis, I will have a look at those links after work. I must have given up the cigarettes 4 or 5 times in the last 20 years. I was still smoking joints though, so obviously was still taking in nicotine so I eventually would be back smoking cigarettes after 6-12 months. Yes Kief, My only worry is if I’m only making joints with weed is how much am I going to go through!? I’m currently spending 50-100 euro a week on weed, but on the other hand I will be saving 350 euro a month if I stop smoking cigarettes I suppose. I know what you mean about the “neediness” of having a joint as herself doesn’t smoke cigarettes, so 5 mins after we have a smoke she is like “skin up!” whereas I just have a cigarette..
If looking to quit tobacco, I’d also encourage you to either read or listen to the audio book ‘Easy Way To Stop Smoking’ by Alan Carr, he clearly explains how the nicotine trap works and teaches an easy, yet effective approach to getting around it. Knowing your enemy is half the battle and if you use his method, you might be surprised at how easy it is to stop. Good luck!!
I know his book only too well! Each time I quit I read his book, surprisingly it worked each time(very monotonous reading it once never mind 4 times!)now I’m reading it again for the 5th and final time!
The Arizer solo is pretty good
Yes, the Arizer Solo is also defintely worth looking at, in fact if I hadn’t already got the Extreme Q as a home vaporizer, I would’ve probably gone with the Arizer Solo, as it can be used as both a home & portable vape (I just didn’t think it was as portable as the new Da Vinci).
thank you CF
Big surprise professionals who work in psychiatric health care think it would be “a bad idea” hmmm
Surely not because they are in the business of drugging people up to the eyeballs and don’t need the competition???
I have been smoking pot for years and years now. Yes I may be schizophrenic but at least I have each other
I take a spiritual view on this, God created the world and everything in it, for a Government to make Grass illegal is to say that God was wrong, and that is an offence to my religion , bordering on blasphemy….
Time to legalise this plant. Join the #SSDP revolution. We are training the next generation of drug policy reformers in our Universities and have 8 events coming up right across the country next week
Fair f*cking play to him for having the balls to say he had a few tokes in college.
Did he have the balls to get himself a criminal record?
I understand this is a positive move but it’s also very hypocritical given many Irish citizens have had their lives ruined by criminal records
@kevin. Will the law be calling to his house tonight to try and pressure into telling them who supplied him.Threathen him with a criminal as they would do with a lot of teenagers?
This is the guy who gave free GP care to the children of millionaires, bankers, bondholders, politicians and ex politicians ! i.e. the really wealthy in society.
This is the guy who took medical cards off children suffering from Down’s Syndrome, Cancer Sufferers and so on.
This is the guy who wants to increase the cost of a can of the cheapest beer so that the ordinary hard pressed citizens of this country will have to pay even MORE TAX for the only luxury some of us have.
Go away White you are a disgrace and an embarrassment and should be in Fine Gael.
One thing is for sure… being illegal teenagers who are experimenting are easily able to get hold of the very strong variety, which is very worrying for the effects on their growing brain. The other thing that it is a grave mistake to be criminalising so many young people who are likely experimenting and would not in any other way find themselves on the wrong side of the law. It seems that young people are routinely stopped and searched by Gardai for no real reason other than on the off chance they may have a joint on them. I would venture to say that, while we must not tolerate the use of what can be a dangerous substance for growing brains, this is likely to be counter-productive in its effects. Education on the bad effects would be a better way to go.
Teenagers can already get weed easily any time of the day with no ID check. OBVIOUSLY if it was regulated it would be treated the same as alcohol. ID etc
I agree Al. I am not against recreational smoking at all, but sometimes teenagers do not have the emotional maturity to regulate their smoking and can get a bit dependent – since, like any substance that has an effect on the brain (I include coffee, alcohol and other stuff here too) there can be a self-medicating element when it comes to dealing with teenage anxieties… the result can be dropping out of school and lying on the bed all day and generally being demotivated about life…
There just needs to be a more understanding attitude and realistic education about it (for example in the states there are programmes in some schools where students are encouraged to look at their use of cannabis in a very real way and decide for themselves whether they might like to change it – they find that just telling people to stop something does not work, funnily enough!)…
Alex white trying to play cool. Nothing cool about drugs Alex. Drugs destroy people.
“Drugs destroy people.”
Not cannabis though. The proportion of users it does destroy is probably no more or less than the proportion of non-users destroyed from something else.
Anyone whose life is destroyed by cannabis was likely to destroy their life by whatever they did – maybe better they were in the attic smoking a bong than out in town after a bottle of vodka – where they might destroy more lives.
“Alex white trying to play cool.”
According to Thors Big Hammer.
Ahhhhh will you frickin cop on you junkie Cannibis is a drug get help
Why would I need help? I spend my day designing software for cars and I’m in great shape – what would standing against cannabis do for me?
You seem to think you’re a hammer – think you’ve been sucking fumes out of your car exhaust or something.
Ming wins a MEP seat and now all Ministers are going to say they smoked weed-we already know they are enough of a dope head-
It’s sunny today. It’s Tuesday today.
Conclusion – it’s always sunny on Tuesdays.
If you actually think that other ministers are going to come out in favour of weed because Ming won a European seat, if that’s the actual trail of logic your head is putting together, I think it would be fair to say you’re thick. Sorry for putting it bluntly, but there’s not much else to it.
your right paul politicians never say what they think people want to hear. If you look at the speech that alex white made in the dail(cannabis freedom has provided a link on his first post)last november you’ll see his position has changed a lot. so why do you think he changed his position?
Why did a human change their mind on a topic?
He ain’t no Clinton
He’ll bloody well do what Enda tells him.
This guy will say anything for a vote
It is a good sign that this loser came out for legalization. As other less desperate pols see how much attention this gets him they will get on board rather than give their opponents an advantage. Slow start but a start……
Cannabis in his day was more than likely a harmless bit of soap bar hash and is nothing compared to the powerful chemical induced “skunk weed” that is our streets to day
Chemical induced, do go on?
Do explain Frank. Can I assume you’re the same Frank who was singing the praises of natural remedies yesterday.
“I just disagress with what I sees”
powerful chemical induced skunk weed ? are you the frank from that website called talk to frank ?
This is what I am on about….
http://www.growchat.com/seeds-images/nutrients.png
And yes I have smoked weed in the past….naturally home grown without artificial light and force fed with toxic chemicals.
There is no regulation to what’s is in these chemicals.
Monsanto are at it now……http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/05/monsanto-plans-patent-genetically-modified-marijuana-brand-uruguay.html
Paul Minogue The weed of today is not natural….Competitions are held annually to develop new and more powerful strains..
“The weed of today is not natural”
Stupid comment. I grow weed naturally you say it doesn’t exist?
“There is no regulation to what’s is in these chemicals.”
An advantage of legalisation will be traceability and accountability in the growing process, potentially.
The fact that you called it “skunk” means that everything you say is invalid
never heard of a competition to develop new and more powerful strains, the are competitions to for weed but there for great grown quality weed,Just because it’s the strongest doesn’t mean it’s going to win.
I would love to breed my own strain of weed, have watched some great breeding on autoflower.net
I think they should completely legalize it for recreational and medicinal use but it doesn’t really matter to me because i’m going to use to regardless of the backwards law of this country .I would rather the € I spend on it to goes into the legitimate economy but sure that’s the governments choice/decision to keep this miracle plant outlawed pouring hundreds of millions of euro in cash into criminal’s hands. The reason why they’re criminals is simple. You have to be a criminal to sell it.
This country does not need more potheads.
When Ming topped the European Elections, I predicted that a lot more Irish politicians would now admit to smoking cannabis and advocate it’s decriminalisation, as doing so is now a vote winner.
This is to be welcomed. The scientific evidence is overwhelming. There is no intellectual or moral case for supporting prohibition.
Indeed there is a moral case to end prohibition, as to support prohibition is to be complicit in gang warfare, murder and mayhem. From Limerick to Mexico, there are countless bullet ridden bodies of young men which demand the end of this fool’s crusade, the global war on drugs.
What a waffler Alex White is.
I don’t know what stoners are worried ..Alex the snake will do all he can to legalise this crap … It fits in with labours liberal agenda….. But rest assure he will not taking it …and he’ll legalise it so other peoples kids will can destroy themselves on it ……
Legalise it and regulate it so it won’t be mind bendingly strong then!
Alex.
Shame on you!
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