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From GSOC to asylum seekers, what are Ireland's human rights failings?

And we have to address them all before a United Nations committee next month.

THE STATE WILL appear before a United Nations committee to address outstanding human rights issues, detailed in a new report.

These include “difficulty in conducting effective and timely investigations which meet human rights standards and can lead to adequate redress for victims”.

It must also address concerns surrounding the asylum system, direct provision, and ministerial interference in GSOC.

The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission Designate (IHREC Designate) has published its report to the UN Human Rights Committee, at which Ireland has a hearing next month.

“Overall, our report examines how Ireland is performing against its international civil and political rights obligations,” Betty Purcell, Acting Chair of the IHREC Designate said.

While it welcomes improvements in areas such as marriage equality, it also outlines “a lack of progress in many areas highlighted by the UN Human Rights Committee in 2008 when Ireland last reported and puts the spotlight on emerging issues where the State’s response to date has fallen short of its obligations”.

Other improvements welcomed are in the area of human trafficking and forced labour, and that the death of any prisoner in custody is now the subject of an investigation.

Recommendations and concerns included in the report are:

  • GSOC ”should be insulated” from Ministerial control by being made accountable to the Oireachtas and independent in its functioning and budget
  • The State “must ensure” that proper accountability structures that meet international human rights obligations are in place within An Garda Síochána
  • Survivors of historic abuse still face legal barriers under the Statute of Limitations Acts in bringing legal claims and this has been upheld under the Constitution
  • It notes how the Vaccine Trials Inquiry collapsed in 2004 after being struck down by the Courts
  • The recognition of Traveller ethnicity is recommended.
  • The report expresses concern that “systemic delays in processing asylum applications and appeals is causing undue hardship and threatens people’s fundamental dignity”
  • A statement from the State as to its endorsement of a strategy to use non-custodial sanctions as an alternative to imprisonment
  • The State has not yet signed or ratified the terms of the Council of Europe Convention on Preventing and Combating Violence against Women and Domestic Violence. The report recommends “the restoration of adequate resources to combat domestic violence”.
  • A new national anti-human trafficking plan and appoint an independent national rapporteur should be introduced.
  • Human rights safeguards to protect people in the care of mental health institutions are needed.
  • The Roma Community requires more support.
  • Legislation to prohibit discrimination in access to schools on the grounds of religion, belief and other status should be introduced.

You can read this list in more detail here. The hearing takes place on the 14 and 15 of July.

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    Mute Jennifer Drohan
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    Jun 16th 2014, 10:58 PM

    What about the human rights of one of the most vulnerable groups of society…the ordinary screwed to the floor tax paying working poor who are left with nothing and no supports from anywhere, and who are in turn supporting all of the above…..

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    Mute Danny Rigg
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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:00 PM

    Unfortunate, as long as we have or human rights they’re really not going to give a damn about the suffering of us

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    Mute Danny Rigg
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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:00 PM

    * our

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    Mute Sean O'Keeffe
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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:09 PM

    “The misapprehension springs from the fact that the learned jurists, deceiving themselves as well as others, depict in their books an ideal of government — not as it really is, an assembly of men who oppress their fellow-citizens, but in accordance with the scientific postulate, as a body of men who act as the representatives of the rest of the nation. They have gone on repeating this to others so long that they have ended by believing it themselves, and they really seem to think that justice is one of the duties of governments.”

    Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoi

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    Mute Boganity
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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:18 PM

    The correction still didn’t make your point any clearer Danny ?

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    Mute Danny Rigg
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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:29 PM

    As long as our actual human rights aren’t violated, we’re not going to be on the radar of the UN

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    Mute European Infidel
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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:35 PM

    We should just ignore this type of BS from the UN.It’s an exercise in hypocrisy.I remember a few years ago,our UN rep went in front of one these committees which contained the likes of Iran and Zimbabwe and was scolded for the lack of freedom of religion among other things.Surreal to say the least.The UN is frankly a joke these days and the powerful countries know it.

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    Mute Danny Rigg
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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:36 PM

    It does good things and bad things. Just because the countries sitting on those committees are notorious violators of human rights, it doesn’t change the fact that various rights in this country aren’t met

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:00 AM

    @Danny Rigg

    The things that happen in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe and Uganda don’t happen in Ireland.

    In Ireland, gay sex is not a crime anymore, unmarried mothers are not stigmatised anymore and there never was any “honour killing”.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:01 AM

    I never said those things happen here…

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    Mute Dog Standard
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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:09 AM

    The UN is a joke because powerful countries ignore it, such as the US attack on Iraq in 2003. Hi Infidel, nice to see you again spreading your ideologies. I thought I’d join you for ride. Best buds! xxxx

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:12 AM

    Also Ciaran, gay sex, condoms and divorce were illegal in Ireland until the 1990′s. The Magadlene Laundries were still going then too. Should we have been ignored by the UN back then? Because of our government? Omitting countries leads them to be isolated. Isolation will drive extreme policies. We need soft power over hard power any day, because hard power breeds enemies, soft power creates friends.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:24 AM

    @Dog Standard

    There is no ban on gay sex, condoms or divorce anymore and the last Magdalene laundry was closed in 1996. Therefore, there is no need to be mentioning this country at a UN committee anymore.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:25 AM

    @Danny Rigg

    Therefore, no human rights are being violated in Ireland. Our rights are protected by the Constitution and the European Convention on Human Rights.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:28 AM

    Clearly, as listed in the article, there are issues that need to be dealt with in relation to human rights in this country. Just because certain things happen in other countries and not here doesn’t mean that other things don’t happen here

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:29 AM

    Eh, yes there is. They were mentioned in the article. Did you not read it? Just because you cure yourself of cancer doesn’t mean you stop taking Lemsip when you have a cold. Smaller issues still need to be dealt with. The reason European Infidel brings Iran into it is just because he has a severe issue with Muslims, follow his comments across The Journal, they make me laugh every day. He’s great at tripping himself up.

    Oh, and some mass graves were discovered here the other week. With children inside. Surely more needs to be addressed about that, like putting people in prison for it?

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    Mute Seamus O'ceadagain
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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:30 AM

    It did

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:40 AM

    @Dog Standard

    “Oh, and some mass graves were discovered here the other week. With children inside. Surely more needs to be addressed about that, like putting people in prison for it?”

    Just because the bodies of children were buried in mass graves doesn’t mean that they were murdered. Children died left, right and centre in those days because healthcare was less advanced back then.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:42 AM

    @Danny Rigg

    Just because they are listed doesn’t mean that nothing is being done about them. For example, the Government is in the process of bringing in legislation to provide for the docking of fines from salaries and pensions instead of imprisonment. The rest of the issues on the list are pretty minor in the great scheme of things.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:45 AM

    Now apply that logic to other countries. Try to understand the reasons things happen from a viewpoint that doesn’t use what you’ve learned about other countries through the media. It’s quite easy to frame Ireland in those terms when great leaps have been made. We’ve been aided externally in our progression through structures such as The Marshall Plan and the EU. That’s the reason that until less than 20 years ago many basic human rights were illegal and now they are not. Because of acceptance by the international community.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:47 AM

    @Dog Standard

    We had basic human rights 20 years ago, i.e. the right to life, the right to education.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:51 AM

    Issues that are being dealt with and minor issues are still issues. What is it about what I’m saying that you actually have a problem with?

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:52 AM

    And? Do other countries not have basic human rights? Iran certainly did. Do they not have the ability to change? Ireland certainly did. We were as backwards as anywhere for years. Now we are becoming very progressive. Should others be excluded from the UN the way we were not?

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:58 AM

    @Dog Standard

    Unlike in Iran, nobody was stoned to death in Ireland.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:59 AM

    @Danny Rigg

    I’m sceptical as to whether they are issues at all. The protection that is afforded by both the Constitution and the ECHR is sufficient.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:01 AM

    They are issues. Those protections aren’t enough in certain cases, like the ones listed above

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:02 AM

    No, but children died from conditions previously seen in concentration camps. Barbaric conditions. Children were buggered, abused and raped by a clergy that was protected as high up as The Vatican. There were shocking, and I mean shocking, abuses of power in Ireland. And people died both directly and indirectly as a consequence of it. Does it happen anymore? Not on the scale previously seen. Why? Progression through integration and dialogue. Not from being ostracised.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:10 AM

    @Danny Rigg

    Here are two of “the ones above”.

    Why do Travellers need to be regarded as ethnically distinct? They have the same rights as everyone else. So why don’t they live like everyone else?

    As for the statute of limitations on abuse compensation cases, it is not possible to retrospectively remove the limitation because it would violate the Constitution and the ECHR to retrospectively apply legislation that imposes criminal or civil liability.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:13 AM

    @Dog Standard

    Children were sexually abused by a minority of the Catholic clergy. Don’t tar every Catholic priest, monk and nun with the same brush.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:13 AM

    Because they are excluded by much of our society and also members of the Traveller community don’t do a huge amount to integrate themselves, but when they do they’re met with, at the very least, subtle hostility. Are you saying that people shouldn’t able to be prosecuted for their crimes because a certain amount of time has passed?

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:14 AM

    I haven’t seen Dog Standard tarring every one of them with the same brush on this thread. Just stating what they actually did

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:19 AM

    @Danny Rigg

    My point about the statute of limitations was with regard to civil liability, not criminal liability.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:22 AM

    I’m not taring Catholics in any way. Quite the opposite. My point was in regard to comments made about Iran. Just because some of the Church, and others, did unspeakable things, doesn’t mean everyone did. Maybe it silenced people through fear. The same logic can be employed to any country. Blanket statements about peoples are never fact, just fears.

    Danny’s point is apt, judging by the comments on here there is clearly a huge amount of negativity towards travellers.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:22 AM

    Ok. I’m still not sure what point you’re trying to make

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    Jun 17th 2014, 5:52 AM

    Oh for feck sake Jennifer, there’s always one. Poor me, look at me, what about me. It’s insufferable. Life may be hard, but relating it to a U.N. intervention really takes the biscuit. Some people love to wallow in their own misery……jesus.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 8:34 PM

    Dear dampsquid, l’m so happy for you that you’ve obviously never felt the fear of wondering how you’re going to put food into your kids stomachs, for you to dismiss the circumstances of thousands of irish people as unimportant and nowhere near on par as the “plight” of the travellers, roma, asylum seekers etc. For the record, i am not wallowing in any form of self pity as i have a very happy life and feel blessed with what i have. I have however felt that fear previously and know the devastation it brings. I also know this through my job and have tried to help hundreds of people over the years, so your insensitive comment of…”there’s always one” doesn’t really cut it. The above mentioned groups are looked after in every aspect of life and i was merely commenting on the vulnerability of those with no medical, social or economic assistance whatsoever. I hope your own life continues as well as it obviously is, and i mean that genuinely.

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    Jun 18th 2014, 4:42 AM

    Dear Jennifer, I appreciate your well wishes, however, you lost me at ‘are looked after in every aspect of life’ …..UN Human Rights Committee must have it wrong. The ‘tax-paying working poor’ have now morphed into the vulnerable with no medical, no social or economic assistance…..when did that happen?
    And ah yes, jump to the only possible conclusion that I have never had to worry/fear/cry at night about ‘putting food in your child’s’ stomachs (love the drama of it all by the way) as opposed to understanding that the human rights of the tax-paying poor in Ireland are not in jeopardy and to equate their situation thusly only demonstrates a lack of bigger picture. We all have it hard, some harder than others and some even more shitty, but this ‘where are our human rights’ nonsense is mortifying and shows us as self-entitled, uninformed and under-aware.

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    Jun 16th 2014, 10:38 PM

    Send the Roma back to romaland and leave the pikeys as they are. They get more than they deserve as it is. Everything else grand.

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    Jun 16th 2014, 10:50 PM

    “Romaland”

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    Jun 16th 2014, 10:28 PM

    …leave out the Traveller and Roma parts and something could be worked out…

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    Jun 16th 2014, 10:37 PM

    Why leave anyone out ? I suppose because we’re not exactly worlds best practice when it comes to our obligations…we just go through the motions so we can’t be accused of being racist.

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    Jun 16th 2014, 10:52 PM

    Integration of those two communities will lead to the eradication of the things we as a society hate so much about them. Bringing them into our society will mean they will have to meet the same standards as the rest of us. Right now they are outside of our society and that means they don’t have to meet the same standards as those within society, not matter how much we say they should. Integration will remove their need to depend on crime so much.

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    Jun 16th 2014, 10:53 PM

    It actually benefits us to work more with those communities

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:16 PM

    Both of these “communities” are unwilling to help themselves, so why do we as a society have to keep paying hand over fist for them in housing, welfare, health not to mention what they cost society in criminal acts. Why should we try and integrate Roma? They are if absolutely no benefit to Irish society. They are here for one reason only. Criminality. Be that stealing from the taxpayer or the ordinary person on the street. By all means if someone has something to offer a country by way of skill or knowledge they should be encouraged, but not these “individuals”…

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:18 PM

    Danny having 3,000 Roma in Ireland is of no benefit to us , our own ” ethnic minority ” haven’t the slightest intention of making a positive to our troubled little country , best solution would be if the Roma went back to Bucharest ( not that the Romanians want them back ) and brought some of their new found friends in Pavee Point with them

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:21 PM

    @boganity…the issue is not that we are not reaching obligations…the issue is that human rights are being violated. Ffs

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:29 PM

    Danny do you actually that drivel you’re spouting that comes across as diaharrea on a computer screen?The Roma have been in Europe for centuries now.They have never shown inclination to integrate into any of the societies they have settled in.What makes you think Ireland will be any different?

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:32 PM

    Integrating them into societies across Europe and across the world would mean that their reliance on time would be diminished and they would actually end up having the opportunity to contribute to society. Living on the outside of society always leads to crime. Why should we ignore options that would likely lead to them abandoning the life of crime that many of them lead?

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:33 PM

    European Infidel, do you have any idea how awfully gypsy communities of all sorts have been treated in Europe for centuries? Integrating them into society would eradicate most of the things we dislike about them. Drop the insults or I won’t respond to you

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:34 PM

    Actually Kris, these communities are helping themselves, we just don’t like the way they do it (crime)

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:37 PM

    Well Danny it shouldnt be our problem. They have had absolutely zero cultural, religious or economic links to this country as a community. Why should we have to integrate them when don’t want to integrate themselves. They have nothing to offer. They are here for one reason only…and it’s not to integrate. We can thank our lax immigration policy and bulls**t EU laws on free movement etc for having them here in the first place. They are a pest.

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:38 PM

    They don’t want to integrate Danny.FFS Ceaucescu’s regime couldn’t even integrate them.They gave up on it after trying for years..If tyrannical Communists can’t integrate them,we have no f*cking chance.

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:39 PM

    They’ve been travelling around Europe and the world for centuries. How about trying something new instead of continuing to exclude them from society like we have done for centuries, which only drives them even more towards crime. Is that your solution? It doesn’t work.

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:40 PM

    Really…a communist tyrant failing to integrate a group of gypsies…no surprise there. How about we actually try integrating them? Why would they want to integrate themselves into a society that is so hostile to them in the first place?

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:46 PM

    Eradicating them…you mean like the Nazis tried to do?

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:52 PM

    You might be onto something there Tom….if only a certain dictator was given another six months on the job over a half century ago we mightnt have this problem today….in the meantime we could stop providing them with free accommodation, welfare and healthcare and tighten up our borders to keep these individuals out.

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:55 PM

    Well done for the holocaust jokes. So mature of you

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:56 PM

    The point is Danny even a Communist tyrant failed at getting them to integrate into everyday life,by forcing them to work in factories and other jobs like normal people.Communists typically tend to be pretty good at the type of thing,It says a lot,when they gave up trying with the Roma.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:03 AM

    This is the hated Romanian communist tyrant we’re talking about. That’s forcing them to do things, not integrating them. It’s a different thing. Find a decent comparison

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:15 AM

    Nobody is preventing them from integrating Danny.Nobody except themselves.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:18 AM

    Do you have any understanding of the historical and social context of this? They know how they’re been treated by our society for centuries and they know how we view them now. That’s what is stopping them. What’s so hard to understand about that?

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:28 AM

    ‘They know how they’re been treated by our society for centuries’ Hold on now.What do you mean our society Danny?Ireland has only had an influx of Roma in the last decade or so.Irish people were treated like dogs for centuries,it didn’t stop us fully integrating into every society we emigrated to.
    It’s our fault or problem how other societies througjout history mistreated them

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:31 AM

    not

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:31 AM

    You know what I mean, don’t play stupid and don’t try twisting words like you do on every other thread I’ve seen you on. Irish people were treated like dogs for centuries yes, particularly in the UK and USA but it wasn’t in the same way or for as long as the Roma. The Nazis didn’t try exterminating the Irish like they tried exterminating Jews, Roma, homosexuals, and disabled people etc

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:32 AM

    @Danny Rigg

    Most settled law-abiding people have nothing against Travellers and Roma people.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:33 AM

    Do you really expect the Roma to trust western society after stuff like that? I know the Jews have come back after that, but they were already dealing with the bigotry they faced in different ways before then

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:34 AM

    @Danny Rigg

    Nobody in Ireland is calling for the extermination of Roma people. They have the same rights as everyone else in Ireland.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:35 AM

    @Danny Rigg

    It was the Third Reich, not Western society, that committed the mass-murder of Roma people.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:35 AM

    Ciaran, once again, I never said that

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:42 AM

    Hundreds of years is a long time Danny.And Ireland was never involved in WW2,who know’s what would have happened to us if Hitler won.Frankly it;s debateable whetehr you can class Eastern Europe where most of the persecution occurred as ‘Western society’.
    The onus is on them to integrate,if they don’t trust us because of historical persecution that occured in another country,that is there problem to deal with not ours.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:45 AM

    @Danny Rigg

    “Ciaran, once again, I never said that”

    You seemed to be implying it, i.e. “Do you really expect the Roma to trust western society after stuff like that? I know the Jews have come back after that, but they were already dealing with the bigotry they faced in different ways before then”.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:53 AM

    European Infidel, Roma are spread across Europe and have been for centuries. Yes they need to choose to integrate, but if we’re so annoyed by thighs they do then we ought to help them integrate to eradicate those problems. Not really a complicated concept

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:54 AM

    Ciaran, what are you under the impression that I was implying? That Irish people are calling for the extermination of Roma? Definitely didn’t imply that. That it was the West that committed the holocaust? Still nothing, although Germany is a Western country.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:57 AM

    * things they do

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:02 AM

    @Danny Rigg

    You said: “Do you really expect the Roma to trust western society after stuff like that? I know the Jews have come back after that, but they were already dealing with the bigotry they faced in different ways before then”.

    I assume that the thing that you referred to as “that” is the Holocaust, which was perpetrated by Nazi Germany, which included Austria, of course.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:10 AM

    Yes, and it was aided by Italy, Hungary, Finland, Bulgarian, Croatia occupied areas and Vichy France. Yes many were pressured and/or had puppet regimes, but they still did it. What’s your point?

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:17 AM

    @Danny Rigg

    My point is that there is no reason for Roma people to believe that what happened to their community in Europe in World War Two will happen again. Therefore, there is no reason for them not to trust western society. Europe isn’t what it was 70 years ago.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:24 AM

    It won’t happen again and Europe isn’t the same place, but the attitudes really haven’t changed for the last few centuries. Nothing has really changed

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    Jun 17th 2014, 1:51 AM

    It is appalling to me that you would use scare quotes when calling Roma and Travelers individuals.
    Do you think being angry, condescending and incendiary about these people contributes one scintilla to civil discourse about social problems?

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    Jun 17th 2014, 5:43 AM

    Danny you’re wasting your time. On this site you are dealing with either trolls or idiots. Think most must read page 3 on the sun and even that takes them all day

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    Jun 17th 2014, 7:21 PM

    That’s sadly true. I know for a fact that some of them read the Daily Telegraph, so no surprise that they’re anti-immigrant

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    Jun 16th 2014, 10:40 PM

    Deport illegals and those whingers in direct provision and house our own.

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:22 PM

    So Tommy how do propose housing those ten of thousands of Irish illegals you want deported from Australia and the USA

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:54 PM

    there isnt tens of thousands of irish illegals in either of those countries,thats pure tripe

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    Jun 17th 2014, 5:55 AM

    L.A. times puts it at 50,000 in the U.S………..hhmmm who smacks of tripe now?

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    Jun 17th 2014, 7:08 AM

    With 70000 non irish nationals on the dole and a suspected 30000 illegals here we’d actually save money if they came home and the others left.

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    Jun 17th 2014, 8:30 AM

    Tommy……..thats only the U.S.

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    Jun 16th 2014, 10:30 PM

    Really?
    “We” tell the UN what’s wrong with us so they can fill in a report card?

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    Jun 16th 2014, 11:06 PM

    Oh Jesus my eyes are bleeding!

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    Jun 17th 2014, 12:59 AM

    No help for un married fathers rights of access

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    Jun 17th 2014, 2:19 AM

    The Roma community requires more support give me a break there all housed and making a fortune this country is a joke!

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    Jun 17th 2014, 2:30 AM

    The education system needs a fix too…

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    Jun 17th 2014, 2:31 AM

    They don’t mean support as in more social welfare, they mean it as in support to help them integrate into society and to live by the standards of society instead of them facing social exclusion which is why many depend on crime. Support so they can depend on work instead if crime. Isn’t that what we want?

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    Jun 17th 2014, 6:01 AM

    Danny I’m just curious as to where you think the education system has let us all down?

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    Jun 17th 2014, 7:20 PM

    That guy’s grammar

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    Jun 18th 2014, 4:13 AM

    aaaahhh, superiority digs. Got it.

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