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'Hopeless fantasy': McVerry warns that homelessness will increase by 2016, not be eliminated

Joan Burton defended the government’s Housing Bill at the launch of the Peter McVerry Trust Annual Report 2013. The Trust helped 3,586 people last year, up from 383 six years ago.

FR PETER MCVERRY has warned that rather than homelessness being eliminated by 2016, as is planned by the government, there could be more people on our streets than there are at present.

“There is no provision for the people who are becoming homeless and will become homeless,” McVerry stated.

Speaking at the launch of the Peter McVerry Trust Annual Report 2013, he said that the housing assistance scheme “would have been very welcome a few years ago” but doesn’t think it can “make a lot of difference” today as “the demand for renting far outstrips supply”.

There will be more people homeless in 2016 than there are today.

In 2013, the PMV Trust provided 75,000 meals (up from 57,000 in 2012), engaged with 3,586 people (up from 383 six years ago) and prevented 1,001 people from becoming homeless (up 17% from 2012).

McVerry said it’s “appalling” and “scandalous” in 2014 that people are sleeping rough in Ireland.

‘Massaging the figures’

McVerry said that the government’s Housing Bill was not addressing the root of the problem, instead “massaging” the social housing list figures.

“What is specifically in the Bill is that people in private rented accommodation are deemed to be housed in social housing – that is massaging the figures. Now the minister [Jan O'Sullivan] denies that, the minister says they can go on the transfer list – that’s absurd.

“Who is going to transfer with them? Who is going to leave the security of social housing to move into the insecurity of private renting?

So effectively, yes, the next assessment of housing need is going to show a big drop in the number of households waiting for social housing, but the reality on the ground won’t have changed. The figures have been massaged.

McVerry went on to call the transfer plan “hopeless fantasy” and “pure fantasy land”.

Speaking at the launch, Social Protection Minister Joan Burton said that she hoped the government’s plan to end homelessness by 2016 would come to fruition.

She defended the Housing Bill, saying that the Housing Assistance Payment (HAP) would allow people to “secure and maintain [their] tenancy”.

Burton said that at any given time there were 75,000 – 77,000 people in receipt of rent supplement, a payment that was only designed to be temporary. Some 30,000 of these people are living in the greater Dublin area.

She said that this can become “an employment trap” and “a poverty trap” as people would lose the payment if they started to work, something that wouldn’t happen via the HAP.

Social housing

McVerry said that the solution to homelessness is simple: build houses.

In Ireland in 2014 it is appalling and scandalous that we cant give every person a bed for the night with a roof over their head.

McVerry said that there are about 100,000 people on the social housing list at present, meaning 5,000 units would have to be built every year for the next 20 years to deal with the issue. He noted that, at present prices, this would cost about €1 billion.

He admitted that due to the current economic difficulties, this was not feasible. He added that the €10 million or so being spent per week on rent supplements to landlords was “an awful waste of money”.

Burton said that Housing Minister Jan O’Sullivan had made “a very, very strong case in government for an appropriate investment in housing”.

“We have some capacity as the economy improves for investment.”

She added that some of the 80,000 construction workers on the live reigester could be given employment through building new social housing.

European investment

Burton said that European leaders were currently discussing a new investment structure for Europe, adding that if it was implemented Ireland could draw from it to help address the housing crisis.

McVerry said that rent caps would also help alleviate some of the pressure, as will moving people into empty Local Authority units and buildings owned by Nama.

However, in terms of the latter, he noted: “The difficulty and the fault with that plan is that it’s a once-off. Once those unit are taken back, as the ad says: ‘Once they’re gone, they’re definitely gone’.”

joan pmv Joan Burton speaking to reporters at the launch.

Burton said “it upsets me deeply at a personal level to pass a house that is boarded up”, when so many people need accommodation.

Drug users

Another issue McVerry thinks has to be addressed is that of the poor quality of emergency accommodation.

He noted: “The quality of [many] emergency beds are appalling.”

McVerry said he had met a young homeless man this morning who had chosen to sleep rough, rather than move into unsuitable emergency accommodation that was housing drug users.

He told McVerry: “If I go into one of those emergency beds, I’ll be back on drugs in no time. What do they want me to do?”

The homeless activist said that people who sleep in emergency accommodation with active drug users often wake up to find their possessions have been stolen.

Critical age group

Over 60% of the people who engaged with the Trust last year were young, single men.

McVerry said that young people are seen by the Trust as the “critical age group” it must reach.

“If you’re 18 or 19 and you become homeless, unless you can move them out of homelessness very quickly then their situation becomes every entrenched.

The first thing that goes is self-esteem: they lose any sense of their own value, their own dignity, and that can be very difficult to restore once it’s lost. So the priority for us is young people who become homeless: let’s move them out of homelessness as quickly as possible.

McVerry stated that he was appalled by the fact homelessness is still such a huge issue, 31 years after he founded the Trust.

“It appals me because we had 12 years of growth during the Celtic Tiger years – when we had more money than we knew what to do with … During those years the number of homeless people in Ireland doubled. It went from 2,500 in 1999 to 5000 in 2008 … That is an absolute disgrace”

He noted that an increasing number of families were becoming homeless, something he described as “a very difficult problem to solve”.

“You can’t leave families on the street. You can’t put them into a hostel that are full of drug users.”

Good stories

Pat Doyle, CEO of the Trust, said that there were also a number of ‘good news’ stories the group had to share. He spoke of a young man who has just completed his Applied Leaving Certificate and will soon “be getting the key to his door … hopefully ready for the employment market”.

“Those are the kind of stories we want to hear,” Doyle addded.

McVerry, who was made a Free Man of Dublin last year, said that any award he received was not for him, but for the homeless.

“I have gained so much from homeless people … They have taught me so much about myself and about Ireland and Irish society. I want to thank them,” he commented.

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    Mute Jay Finn
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    Jun 25th 2014, 1:55 PM

    Peter Mcverry is a good good man!

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    Mute James St John Smith
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    Jun 25th 2014, 4:24 PM

    A verry good man?

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    Mute thetruth
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    Jun 25th 2014, 2:05 PM

    Its a pipe dream if they thought they could eradicate it by 2016

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    Mute Jack Dexter
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    Jun 25th 2014, 2:44 PM

    Why dont Fr.Peter ask the pope for millions to help the homeless every person knows the Catholic Church is worth billions.

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    Jun 25th 2014, 2:39 PM

    Always annoys me driving past a boarded up house or another ghost estate followed by someone sleeping rough..I’m aware these properties may not be fit for living standards but I’m sure some cheap renovations could be done, water & electricity ran in. Mightn’t be the taj mahal but still the potential to roof many homeless is right in front of us.

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    Mute James St John Smith
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    Jun 25th 2014, 2:59 PM

    And if they move into a house for free that their neighbour has paid 400k for?

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    Jun 25th 2014, 3:42 PM

    He’ll be living beside another person who has been exploited by the system which treats housing as a profit center for the landlord class and assorted vested interests such as banks, developers, estate agents and speculators.

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    Mute Michael Carty
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    Jun 25th 2014, 3:19 PM

    I have no problem helping these people help themselves, but I suspect many are just leaches, expecting the government, i.e taxpayers, i.e you and I to provide them with a home free of charge.

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    Mute Michael Skellig
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    Jun 25th 2014, 2:51 PM

    Absentee landlords are happy to let their vacant properties rot like dumps in places they will never live, just so they can ride out a property price slump while they live miles away in a leafy old suburb. They don’t care that the properties are an eye sore and a danger to others. It’s all about the greed.

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    Jun 25th 2014, 3:41 PM

    Fr McVerry is a great man and truly lives his Christian message unlike many of his colleagues whose greatest contribution is the 11am mass on a Sunday morning.

    However I always get a bit uneasy when I hear the word ‘entitled’ being used – ie. ‘Everyone is entitled to a home’

    I don’t believe that are entitled to a home but should certainly be given basic overnight accommodation on the basis that they will partake in a programme to help get them off the street.

    However I accept this is tackling the symptom not the cause.

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    Jun 25th 2014, 5:11 PM

    Totally accurate post regarding this issue. Could not agree more

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    Jun 26th 2014, 4:37 PM

    The Constitutional Convention voted to include economic, social and cultural rights in the Constitution. Social rights include ‘..the right to social security, to social assistance; to food, water, clothing and shelter; the right to physical and mental health; education; to adequate social protection of the family….’ (Irish Times, 24 Feb, 2014)This question could now be put to referendum so that a citizen’s right to shelter becomes enshrined in our law.

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    Mute Michael Carty
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    Jun 26th 2014, 9:25 PM

    Surely you mean “so that a citizen’s right to shelter might become enshrined in our law”? Not everyone may agree with your point of view ? I believe in helping people help themselves. If people refuse to engage and contribute to society in a positive way, my view would be that society owes them absolutely nothing. Not food, heathcare, nothing. Anyone can hit hard times, and should be helped so that they can get back on their feet. This should always be a temp measure and not intended as a way of life. What is worse is people who contribute nothing to society, but choose to make a society worse by engaging in criminal activity

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    Jun 25th 2014, 2:48 PM

    Too many people in Ireland are now so completely indoctrinated by free market capitalism without a conscience that they simply don’t care about homelessness or poverty as long they don’t have to see it.

    Now that poverty and homelessness is more obvious to these people, they want action so they can go back to ignoring it and pretending there is no connection between their own greed for lower taxes and the resulting reduction in public services and support for the vulnerable.

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    Mute Mark Kelly
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    Jun 25th 2014, 3:01 PM

    Ah my heart bleeds.. There’s no abject poverty in this country! Capitalism doesn’t make anybody homeless in Ireland, their own poor choices do. Typical working class warrior..

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    Jun 25th 2014, 3:35 PM

    Greed for lower taxes??????

    Do you have a job Michael?

    Or are you homeless yourself on a list expecting a new house provided by the state…

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    Jun 25th 2014, 3:58 PM

    Hi Darren,

    I do have a job. Spend four years in uni full time and another two doing a Masters as well as another three completing industry exams. I get up at 06:30 every morning for work.

    You are making the mistake many people do. There is a MASSIVE difference between being on a local authority housing waiting list and being homeless. They are TOTALLY different things, unless your saying that everyone on a waiting list is sleeping on the streets ? Homeless means sleeping on the streets. Thats how all the statistics are calculated. Local authority waiting lists are totally separate. I was referring to homeless people only.

    No, I am not homeless. I bought my own house in 2006 which has lost 60% of its value.

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    Mute Mark Kelly
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    Jun 25th 2014, 4:21 PM

    He was replying to Michael Skelligs.

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    Jun 25th 2014, 4:30 PM

    My bad

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    Jun 25th 2014, 2:30 PM

    I could have told him that. An end to homelessness seems to be spouted out by different governments year after year to bolster election campaigns.

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    Jun 25th 2014, 10:59 PM

    Here is a video Of Fr Peter Mc Verry talking about Pope Francis and what might happen
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luiHeA6fsBU

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    Mute Adrian Hennessy
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    Jun 25th 2014, 2:18 PM

    Look at the drop off in local authority spending on social housing since 2008 (figures direct from J O Sulivans office)

    2008 = €1,454,000…. to 2013 = €249,000

    and even worse, when all spending, including voluntary housing, part V housing etc is included…

    2008 = €2,303,000…. to 2013 = €376,000 16% !!!!!

    so its absolutely no wonder we have a homeless / social housing crisis.

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    Jun 25th 2014, 3:14 PM

    sorry, just to clarify.. those figure are in millions of euros.

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    Jun 25th 2014, 2:50 PM

    Scrap the housing list. Every man for himself!

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    Jun 25th 2014, 3:58 PM

    What about women and children?

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    Jun 25th 2014, 4:08 PM

    Silly boy Mark

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    Jun 25th 2014, 4:45 PM

    Why’s that Brian? Because I don’t support the dregs of society getting everything for nothing, while the rest of us have to pay for it? No shortage of freeloaders of cyber do-holders here I see.

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    Jun 25th 2014, 4:51 PM

    F’in autocorrect.. Do-gooders!!!!

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    Jun 25th 2014, 2:54 PM

    The spin is already starting on who to blame this on when it fails.

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    Jun 25th 2014, 1:38 PM

    And the pointing out the obvious award goes to himself

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    Jun 25th 2014, 1:45 PM

    Congratulations on shooting the messager, listen to the message.

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    Jun 25th 2014, 1:46 PM

    You are a funny guy ,so funny ,that I nearly smiled .

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    Jun 25th 2014, 5:02 PM

    I think Fr.Mc Very is a hell of a nice man I couldn’t do what he does because Im a selfish person and I will be honest I dont care for the homeless unless I know them.I hear people on the Telly saying it terrible and its not right but I think they dont care like me All hypocrites

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    Jun 25th 2014, 2:40 PM

    Sounds like Joan will be doing a lot for them if she becomes leader of Labour – not…….

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    Jun 25th 2014, 2:12 PM

    Technically, there are 100,000 homeless in Ireland as anyone on the housing list is effectively on the brink of homelessness…

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    Mute Michael Carty
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    Jun 25th 2014, 5:09 PM

    Simply wrong. You cannot invent the definition of a word to suit yourself. Dear God. They are totally separate

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    Mute Liam Mclaughlin
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    Jun 25th 2014, 9:03 PM

    If you are on a mate’s sofa, you are homeless, if you are under threat of eviction, you are homeless, if are in arrears, you are homeless, these are all mentioned in the E.U. definition. They are also called the silent homeless of which there are many in Ireland today. The big difference today is that the problem runs right through the class spectrum, it is no longer a working class affliction. Fr McVerry knows this more than anyone. A brilliant man in my opinion.

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    Jun 26th 2014, 10:56 AM

    “Any change for a hostel bud?” While in his brand new €200 runners talking on his iPhone!! Ahem!!

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    Jun 26th 2014, 8:13 AM

    Today; a journalist quoted herself.

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