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'We knew we’d overstepped the mark' - former CRC Chair admits ignoring HSE

TD Simon Harris said that the Clinic’s board showed “blatant disregard” for the HSE when it hired Brian Conlan.

HAMILTON GOULDING, THE former Chair of the CRC, has admitted that the organisation “overstepped the mark” when it appointed Brian Conlan as its CEO last July.

The Central Remedial Clinic appointed Conlan on a salary of €125,000, over €40,000 above HSE guidelines.

He was paid at that level until October, when he asked the CRC board to lower his pay to the approved €83,252. He stepped down in December at the request of the HSE, along with all other board members.

Fine Gael TD Simon Harris said that the Clinic’s board showed “blatant disregard” for the HSE when it hired Conlan, noting they must have thought: “When we appoint the next guy, we’ll obey the rules.”

Goulding told the Public Accounts Committee that the board felt it could afford to pay Conlan the higher salary as his appointment came at the time of the retirement of former CEO Paul Kiely and another executive, which led to €340,000 being freed up.

“We knew we’d overstepped the mark a bit …we did try to patch things up,” Goulding said, adding: “We clearly transgressed but we got a good result” – referencing Conlan’s suitability for the role.

“It’s not a perfect story,” Goulding admitted.

At one point in proceedings, Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald said that the Clinic had essentially told the HSE to “get lost” whenever it asked questions.

‘Write the cheque and hand it off’

Harris said that the financial controversy surrounding the CRC was brought about due to an attitude of “Write the cheque and hand it off to the service provider”, without following up where the money was going.

When questioned about Kiely’s retirement payoff of almost €742,000, Goulding said the board members knew they were “at the boundary of things getting more expensive … we were if they didn’t agree to his terms”.

He said it was unfair to say that Kiely was “pushing us around all the time” but noted that he was “a very determined individual and well aware of his rights”.

Earlier today, Hamilton’s successor Kieran Timmins told the committee that the CRC board was considering asking for Kiely to repay some of the money.

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Committee Chair John McGuinness said that a transcript of the meeting would be sent to Conlan, who was not present. His solicitors had questioned him being called as a witness and whether or not it was under PAC’s remit to investigate how taxpayers’ money and public donations were used to top-up executive salaries at the charity.

Laverne McGuinness, Deputy Director General of the HSE, informed the committee that, as of the 1 July deadline, 60 executives in voluntary hospitals and health agencies had claimed to have contractual entitlements to retain top-up payments.

McGuinness said that a further 43 payments have ceased, while there are 18 cases for which the necessary documentation has not been submitted. She added that the HSE was working with a number of other agencies to achieve compliance.

‘Off the hook’

Harris said he hoped that other Section 38 bodies would not be let “off the hook” by the committee as it has been so focused on two particular organisations - the CRC and the Rehab Group.

He said that organisations like the CRC exist because of the “holistic failure of the State” to provide for people with disabilities.

Independent TD Shane Ross said that he while he was not slow to criticse Goulding, he commended him for appearing before the committee.

I think it’s brave, it was difficult for you … You did have an option to take a different route, which some of your colleagues did.

The Clinic’s reputation has been badly damaged by the controversy – it’s fundraising dropped from €404,000 in 2012 to €190,934 last year.

Goulding praised the CRC’s “excellent” staff and said he hoped that the organisation would “bounce back quickly”.

Originally published 4.35pm

Earlier: The CRC hasn’t asked for Paul Kiely to repay part of his €742K pay-out… yet

Read: PAC will be discussing the CRC today, but who is going to turn up?

Related: Former CRC chief rejects that any fundraised money was kept secret

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    Mute Broken Design
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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:33 AM

    They’ll probably need an update every 1000 miles

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    Feb 20th 2015, 12:10 PM

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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:09 AM

    Instead of petrol it runs on apple juice!!

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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:44 AM

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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:46 AM

    Why is bono on the dash?

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    Mute Charles Mcdonald
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    Feb 20th 2015, 12:52 PM

    Battery will be not replaceable. It will only work on primary roads will not allow to work on lanes. Will only charge at designated apple stores with a lightening connecter. It will run on Apple maps so be prepared never to get where you want. It will also have one radio station approved by Apple

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    Mute Drew
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    Feb 20th 2015, 1:05 PM

    But the apple version will be sleek, shiny, futuristic and give you spontaneous orgasm when you grasp the leather steering wheel and it starts up…

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    Feb 20th 2015, 2:17 PM

    Unless you go the N4 Samsung version with faster speeds better cornering and better breaks :)

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    Feb 20th 2015, 2:49 PM

    Ahhh the N4… Would that be the ugly grey plastic one… Or the slightly less ugly blue-grey plastic one… Or the kind of grey black not entirely ugly but low spec that’s cheap one?

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    Feb 20th 2015, 3:05 PM

    It’s the one that comes with metallic leather and s pen but should not write and drive

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    Feb 20th 2015, 3:33 PM

    Drew would that be the same ‘ugly plastic’ that’s used in Ferrari F1 cars?

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    Feb 20th 2015, 5:37 PM

    Can I please vote Drew’s comment of the year? :)

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    Mute Jake Race
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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:10 AM

    pffft… it will probably only work on their roads and an army of tech-ignorant douches will be lining up to buy them anyway.

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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:14 AM

    Someone’s man they couldn’t afford an iPhone

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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:14 AM

    Mad*

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    Feb 20th 2015, 12:17 PM

    It’ll be priced like a Merc and will run like a Renault.

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    Feb 20th 2015, 12:30 PM

    Will I be able to Jailbreak it?

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    Feb 20th 2015, 3:08 PM

    You can drive in into the gates of Mountjoy and find out ?

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    Feb 20th 2015, 3:39 PM

    Wonder if it’ll have WINDOWS

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    Feb 21st 2015, 4:26 AM

    iScreen

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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:53 AM

    Great news, love a bit of competition.
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    Feb 20th 2015, 12:48 PM

    Might open up your humour as well cos it’s clearly Nokia humour at the moment.

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    Mute Rory J Leonard
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    Feb 20th 2015, 1:01 PM

    Nokia started life in the 1800s as bog roll specialists in Finland.

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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:35 AM

    The only way an electric car will sell is if Apple made them

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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:53 AM

    Cars are not at apples core!

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    Feb 20th 2015, 12:51 PM

    carbon credits baby, its the new money spinner, tesla made 100 million last year selling carbon credits of the back of making electric cars. one could ask jf they reduced their carbon footprint?

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    Mute Allan Farrell
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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:15 AM

    News outlets now confirming apple are making cars? How can they confirm something that’s just a rumour?

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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:44 AM

    Hope I don’t need to use my sh!t iPhone charger

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    Feb 20th 2015, 6:01 PM

    Will it have airplane mode? :)

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    Feb 20th 2015, 12:51 PM

    It will never crash .

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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:39 AM

    cool

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    Feb 20th 2015, 1:59 PM

    I’d be more concerned about what data it’s keeping about my driving, where I go, when I go, how I go, and what use it is making of that data. The internet of things is going to be a privacy and civil liberties minefield, the beginning of which we’re only starting to get a glimpse of now.

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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:15 AM

    Peace, love and empathy.

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    Feb 20th 2015, 12:28 PM

    Realistically would anyone buy a car from a manufacturer that has never made or produced a car before with zero track record of such an endeavour?

    I wouldn’t!

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    Feb 20th 2015, 12:46 PM

    You’d turn down a Tesla?

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    Feb 20th 2015, 12:46 PM

    Is that a good reason for people to never try and build a car? Because they never made one before? What logic is that?

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    Feb 20th 2015, 1:17 PM

    People bought a phone from a computer company that had never made phones before and it was the biggest product success in history…

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    Feb 20th 2015, 2:11 PM

    Biggest product success in history? Is that a fact?

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    Feb 20th 2015, 4:20 PM

    Thanks but I’ll let someone else be the lemming, then might consider it on 2nd or 3rd generation.

    @PaulRoche, taking a couple of engineers from Tesla does not make Apple Tesla.

    @JonBurkin, no not at all, just not a 1st generation one.

    @AllanFarrell, What’s your point? Is that a question?

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    Mute Stephen Earle
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    Feb 20th 2015, 4:39 PM

    A company worth approx 170+ billion, thats a success!!

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    Mute Stephen Earle
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    Feb 20th 2015, 4:42 PM

    Tesla is worth approx $25 billion from selling electric cars. Its a good future business for apple,

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    Feb 20th 2015, 7:21 PM

    Tesla is worth approx $25 billion from selling carbon credits, not cars.

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    Feb 20th 2015, 8:11 PM

    Its a car company and its still worth $25 billion regardless to its carbon credits business

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    Mute Stephen Earle
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    Feb 20th 2015, 8:26 PM

    Sorry, 700billion

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    Mute Paul Roche
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    Feb 20th 2015, 8:41 PM

    David,
    You might want to sit down for this.
    Tesla had zero history in car manufacturing until they started making them.
    That was my point.

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    Mute Graham Kavanagh
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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:51 AM

    Just don’t try to use it to go to the airport!

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    Feb 20th 2015, 11:51 AM

    Will my I phone charger be able to cope with charging it .

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    Feb 20th 2015, 1:29 PM

    There are just so many reasons why Apple should never make a car it’s not even funny… It will be the comedy gift that just keeps giving when stupid people with way more money than sense buy one of these just because it has an Apple badge and a pretty white box…. I despair.

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    Feb 20th 2015, 5:57 PM

    It won’t allow for windows either

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    Feb 20th 2015, 4:01 PM

    Would you have bought a car from a company that made sewing machines, today they are called toyota.

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    Feb 20th 2015, 4:40 PM

    Mazda used to make light bulbs

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    Feb 20th 2015, 6:25 PM

    An apple car, it will probably only let you go the way it wants you to go.

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    Feb 20th 2015, 1:59 PM

    Not true…they Will get into making electronic dashboards/navigation/driver assist…who would buy a bloody Apple car?

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