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Pope Francis meets Mark Vincent Healy, the first male survivor of clerical child sexual abuse to do so from Ireland on 7 July 2014 at Domus Sanctae Marthae, Vatican City. Mark Vincent Healy

Opinion I became the first male survivor of Irish clerical sexual abuse to meet Pope Francis

It was such an important and historic moment for Irish survivors, where the Pope was left in no doubt about the human and spiritual cost that clerical child sexual abuse causes.

THE FIRST MALE survivor of Irish clerical child sexual abuse to meet with Pope Francis was myself, Mark Vincent Healy. I followed Marie Kane, also from Ireland, as the fourth survivor to meet with Pope Francis. There were six of us presented to Pope Francis from the United Kingdom, Ireland and Germany.

It was such an important and historic moment for Irish survivors where the Pope was left in no doubt about the human and spiritual cost that clerical child sexual abuse causes. Those costs over decades were in the form of self-harming to suicide to spiritual isolation and what is called ‘soul murder’.

In my letter I personally presented to Pope Francis I wrote:

The world will indeed be curious about our meeting and wondering what will come of it. There are opposing opinions about such a meeting ranging from high hope on the one hand, to scepticism, if not derision, that nothing positive can possible come of such a meeting. For my part I can only hold out hope.I contacted other survivors and their families to let them know I had been accorded this opportunity. Many do not trust the Catholic Church and for good reason considering the enormous betrayal of trust which was later followed by the enormous distress in seeking remedy and redress.However, I feel any opportunity to dialogue and lay out the realities of Clerical Child Sexual Abuse is not to be squandered. I am not sure I have what it takes to give the sort of presentation this subject requires but I will be happy to have made the effort than to have lost the opportunity in not even trying.

A copy of my prepared letter had been sent to Archbishop Diarmuid Martin two days before meeting Pope Francis.

There had been and still is huge speculation about the survivors who met with Pope Francis. Indeed some of the comments have been very hurtful, portraying none of the difficulties and braveries exhibited in taking such a momentous step in agreeing to meet with the Patriarch of a Church of one billion followers, a church which has contributed to so much pain and suffering on children, its own children, the children of the living God, the very survivors who met with Pope Francis for the first time.

Background

I was invited to meet with the pontiff following the announcement by Pope Francis on his return flight from Israel in May that he would be meeting with survivors of clerical child sexual abuse in early June. I said I would without hesitation. The schedule was premature and adjusted to early July.

I kept the matter secret, save for letting family and survivors know. The media were not to know or it might affect proceedings or indeed bring far too much pressure to bear on those survivors invited by their respective Archbishops.

Prior to going to the Vatican I was asked if I had any problem with having my photograph taken with Pope Francis or in having it published. I didn’t and hoped it would be published.

As I subsequently wrote to Fr Robert Oliver, the Vatican promoter of justice for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) who replaced Msgr Charles Scicluna in January 2013 as ‘Chief Prosecutor’, asking him to let Fr Federico Lombardi, the director of the Holy See Press Office know:

“I think it is important to be seen with His Holiness and not anonymously spoken of as nameless and faceless. It is part of justice to be seen. It is part of healing to be seen. It is part of witness to be seen. Let not the darkness which was in the sin (crime) be the place resigned for survivors. It is important to be in the light in order to instil hope.”

Prior to going to Rome I was also asked if I wished to address the world media assembled presenting my own comment about my meeting with Pope Francis. It would only be a few minutes at most. I indicated I would also wish to do so as I felt it was so important for survivors to be heard.

Last minute announcement 

On the evening before meeting with Pope Francis it was announced from a day-long meeting held by the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors that the photograph with the pontiff would not be published and that the opportunity of speaking directly to the press was also being withdrawn.

Pope Francis, dining in another part of the dining hall in the Domus Santa Martha, came to our table to shake hands with everyone present. Asked afterwards what I thought of Pope Francis and meeting him, I said ‘He was quite cordial and charming’. I said, ‘it was quite a charm offensive which would perhaps make it more difficult to discuss the very serious matters I had prepared and wanted to address the following day about clerical child sexual abuse.’

The withdrawal of publishing the photograph of meeting with Pope Francis and direct access to the world media assembled was becoming more and more uncomfortable inside me. I called it being ‘bagged’ and ‘gagged’. There really should have been no condition placed on survivors if they wished to be seen and heard after meeting with Pope Francis with the world media assembled.

Protocols

In a written explanation I received from Msgr Robert Oliver, “As regards the photographs, at no point was there an intention to publish them, as was done in all past meetings of survivors with popes.  Out of respect for each survivor present, they were taken solely for your use as you may wish.”

If any survivor wished to make a comment on their experience of meeting His Holiness Pope Francis, they could convey their comment to Fr Federico Lombardi who would incorporate it into the Vatican statement – which I thought an absolute nonsense. These announcements were presented as a fait accompli and I had to contain my emotion about these changing circumstances.

In a written explanation I received from Msgr Robert Oliver, “The meeting with Pope Francis was handled the same as all the past encounters of survivors with Pope Benedict, something quite clearly understood by the media.”

My response was, “It cannot be proper to state that Pope Francis is constrained by whatever protocols were in place with Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI in the handling of survivor access to the world media following an audience with His Holiness Pope Francis when publication of a photograph was immediate. The protocol is not set in stone but as has been mentioned it does not explain the reasoning behind such a decision, who was involved besides the members of the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors, and why access was withdrawn to survivors on the eve of meeting with Pope Francis which can only look like the Vatican didn’t wish for survivors to speak publicly. The point of this audience was to remove the shame of being hidden and silenced.”

The night before the private audience with Pope Francis I wanted to withdraw and called my best friend and my therapist. It was important to get the message I brought out there and I felt I could not squander the opportunity knowing it could only further silence the many survivors whom I felt needed to be heard concerning their awful lifelong suffering which they endure, if indeed they can.

My campaign is all about ‘rescue services’ and ‘safe space provisioning’ for survivors of clerical child sexual abuse. The last minute withdrawal of access to the world media assembled did not serve the interests of survivors nor help to remove the shame of clerical child sexual abuse.

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My meeting 

I was to have 45 minutes with Pope Francis in a meeting, for which I have Archbishop Diarmuid Martin to thank. It was a minute for each year since I was first abused at the age of 9. Then, I was ordered into a room where I was abused by a priest; now, I was invited into a room to tell another priest all about it, that priest being the Pope himself.

I don’t want to believe the meeting with survivors was any PR exercise. I believe there is a dichotomy at work where the Catholic Church acts as a ‘corporation’ or ‘church’ and responds accordingly. In ‘corporation’ terms any media event is part of a PR exercise. However where the Catholic Church acts as a ‘church’, a ‘family’, ‘the body of Christ’ then this event was and is not a PR exercise but one which recognises the deep suffering caused survivors, their families, their communities, including the human family on a profound human and spiritual level.

I left Pope Francis with a clear translation by Cardinal Sean O’Malley of the following words: “The scandal of clerical child sexual abuse (CCSA) is an existential crisis in God’s house, played out for the world to see. It is about the children of the living God and how they have been treated by the ministers of the living God.”

Mark Vincent Healy is a campaigning abuse survivor. Read his full report and response to the NSBCCCI audit into the Holy Ghost Fathers here.

Read: Pope promises “solutions” to celibacy in the priesthood

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    Aug 7th 2023, 8:05 AM

    Good.
    We all owe farmers a huge debt of gratitude for working morning, noon and night to feed us.
    Farmers own and look after the land. They do it silently and without fanfare.
    The Greens know nothing about the land yet they pontificate about it endlessly from their suburban mansions
    If the Greens had their way there would be no farming and society would collapse.
    Next time a Green politician or an environmentalist tried to spoof you look down and ask them : “Where’s your wellingtons then? Go on with yeh”

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    Aug 7th 2023, 8:38 AM

    @Tommy Haze: Well said spot on

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    Mute brian o'leary
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    Aug 7th 2023, 9:20 AM

    @Tommy Haze: they work for profit and we don’t buy their good with credit, so there’s no debt.

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    Mute Tom Leddy
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    Aug 7th 2023, 10:52 AM

    @Tommy Haze: I grew up on a farm. We worked on it to make money. We didn’t do it just to supply food, and I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have given free food to those who couldn’t afford to pay for it. Farming is a job, just like nursing, carpentry, teaching etc etc.

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    Aug 7th 2023, 12:07 PM

    @Tommy Haze: It’s funny how Aviation and it’s expansion according to the Greens and the government is an economic necessity and is off limits when it comes to carbon emissions, the wealthy airlines benefit from Zero tax on aviation fuel, Zero binding emission target, government subsidised routes and have no realistic way of decoupling growth from emissions. It seems to be one set of rules for the DAA and wealthy airlines and another for the farmers, turf cutters and the rest of us or maybe the DAA a Semi-state company just like RTE has a barter account to compensate the media for greenwashing their industry.

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    Mute Helen Murphy
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    Aug 7th 2023, 10:07 AM

    @brian o’leary: If you were to factor in the hours worked, it’s definitely not a profitable business. One of the few industries that don’t get to set their own prices and charge what is fair, or indeed profitable. It’s below minimum wage if you factor in hours worked. More work related deaths than any other job in Ireland. It accounts for approx 7.1% of employment and that doesn’t factor in the jobs in the construction industry related to agriculture. They mind the land, hoping the next generation will do so too. So I think Tommy is spot on when he says we owe them a debt of gratitude. But then again, some people will always have these false and lazy ideas about farmers.

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    Aug 7th 2023, 10:15 AM

    @Helen Murphy: markets don’t deal in “fair”, if the going is too tough, sell up, and let someone else “mind” it.

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    Aug 7th 2023, 1:28 PM

    @brian o’leary: Really? Your grasp of agricultural economics seems to be either poor or purposely biased. Tell nurses, teachers, shop workers that this is what you’re getting, shut up or someone else will do it. If farmers were to charge the cost of production plus a small % for profit, or as you say “not deal in fair” , and charge what the like, you would be moaning your hole off about the price of food. Why doesn’t the EU set the prices for other industries? The grants are a sly way of allowing multinational food processors make huge profits, whilst those with no knowledge of rural Ireland think farmers are coining it.

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    Aug 7th 2023, 3:19 PM

    @Helen Murphy: “it’s definitely not a profitable”

    Dairy farms made a record average profit of €148,000 last year.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/farming-food/2022/12/13/average-dairy-farm-income-in-ireland-surges-to-record-148000/

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    Aug 7th 2023, 3:37 PM

    @Helen Murphy: “it’s definitely not a profitable”

    “The CSO’s final estimate of agricultural Operating Surplus for 2022 shows an annual increase of €1.0bn (+28%) to €4.7bn. The value of Agricultural Output at Basic Prices rose by €2.8bn (+28%) to €12.9bn.”

    Thus Irish farms made a profit of €4.7 billion last year.

    Average Operating profit per farm in 2022 according to Teagasc:

    Dairy €151,000 (and 53% higher than 2021)
    Cattle rearing farms: €9,400
    Cattle finishing farms: €18,800
    Sheep: €16,500
    Tillage: €77,000
    Mixed livestock: €84,340

    Average faming family income: €45,800 (increase of 32% from 2021, mostly because of rise in income on dairy and tillage farms).

    https://www.teagasc.ie/news–events/daily/farm-business/increase-in-farm-incomes-largely-confined-to-dairy-and-tillage-farms-in-2022.php

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    Aug 7th 2023, 5:58 PM

    @David Jordan: There’s no validity to your argument. Dairy farmers start at 6am every morning and don’t finish until late in the evening. Early hours of the morning at certain times of the year. 7 days a week. Might get to take a weeks holiday in the summer if their lucky. Per hour worked its an absolute pittance. Do the maths.

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    Aug 7th 2023, 7:07 PM

    @Helen Murphy: then sell up, move on and let someone else at it.

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    Aug 7th 2023, 10:34 AM

    FFG are destroying our agri sector . We should be pushing for self sufficiency , especially now in the days of supply uncertainty. It would appear though the government are pushing reliability on other countries and being at the mercy of international markets .
    Why do we import broccoli, veg etc from Kenya . Potatoes from the uk etc

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    Aug 7th 2023, 10:48 AM

    @BL Music: we import food because it’s cheaper. We produce the best quality beef, with the toughest regulations in place, in terms of antibiotic use, herd health etc. Beef is then imported from Brazil where there are no regulations, because as much as people preach about buying local, it comes down to price.
    Same with our barley, wheat etc, certain chemicals/pesticides banned here for use in their production, but not on the cheaper grains that we import.
    Green agenda throughout the world is ruining agriculture. Billionaires are buying up land (Dyson is biggest farm owner in UK, bill Gates one of the biggest in USA) solely to use the land to offset carbon credits for their own non agri business, so they can claim they are producing Carbon Zero products

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    Aug 7th 2023, 9:45 AM

    Farming is becoming more industrialised and less family owned or ran. In a few decades, you’ll see managers running about 5 farms and sub contractors doing the ploughing/silage/milking! The family farm, will become rare and die out eventually.

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    Aug 7th 2023, 11:26 AM

    @John John: Why would you want to see it die out?

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    Aug 7th 2023, 1:34 PM

    @John John: over 7% of the population are employed in the agriculture sector and you’d like to see all those people with families and mortgages lose their jobs? What’s your problem with farming? Did a farmer’s son bully you in school or take your place on the football team?

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    Aug 7th 2023, 10:06 AM

    Just teach them not to destroy hedgerows, and stop washing the slurry tanks in the rivers.

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    Aug 7th 2023, 10:10 AM

    @Opinion is free but facts are sacred: washing slurry tanks in the rivers?? Where did you come up with that?

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    Aug 7th 2023, 11:41 AM

    @Opinion is free but facts are sacred: why would a farmer wash a slurry tank? Ireland ranks 1st in Europe on how little nitrogen is in our rivers thanks to our farmers. If you ate today you should thank a farmer for that too.

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    Aug 7th 2023, 12:39 PM

    @Mike Looney 88: maybe their custom could be their thanks?

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    Aug 7th 2023, 1:39 PM

    @Opinion is free but facts are sacred: where are going with absolutely crazy statement! I have never in my life even heard of a farmer washing a slurry tanker in a river. Have you ever been on a farm? The Irony of your made up user name is off the charts.

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    Aug 8th 2023, 11:12 AM

    @Opinion is free but facts are sacred: I agree, and what are they hiding inside those big sheds that no one else is allowed in?

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    Aug 7th 2023, 9:50 AM

    What is the difference between this and the green cert? Or even the farm relief who are finding it hard to source labour?Just looks like people who don’t work on farms looking to get paid to work behind a desk coming up with this idea.

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    Aug 7th 2023, 11:01 AM

    Will Eamon Ryan and his Green Party be doing this course, considering they keep telling farmers they’re farming wrong? So will it be Eamon Ryan Green Party and Rte learning curriculum ?

    I want to know because nature has respected farming and horticultural practices for centuries. The infestation of Ash tree die back disease is a notifiable disease yet our local council in Fingal will do nothing .

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    Aug 7th 2023, 12:46 PM

    The muck spreader was often washed in the river, hedges taken out, round up under the electric wire along the drain, wet bales stacked 3high near the drain, old plastic and tyres buried when the digger was in, New weanlings bought in given a shot of antibiotics as a preventative….many of above done by me and my neighbouring farms, and not 20years ago either

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    Aug 7th 2023, 12:51 PM

    @hi from heaven: so tell me about washing the muck spreader in the river..maybe start with why? In all my years on farms, never heard this being done

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    Aug 7th 2023, 12:57 PM

    @Martin Kenny: We would drive into the river and start filling with buckets as quickly as possible, due to leaks.then drive up the Field and empty it out… this was done 2-3 times

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    Aug 7th 2023, 12:58 PM

    @hi from heaven: side muck spreader not back empty one

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    Aug 7th 2023, 1:08 PM

    @hi from heaven: right, learn something new every day. Think you should give up farming, you’re doing it wrong

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    Aug 7th 2023, 10:49 AM

    So some Gombeen wants to create more low paid jobs in the farming industry…. If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys…. It’s called Slave Labour

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    Aug 7th 2023, 12:48 PM

    If farmers really cared about the land (and not just income) the IFA would not object to every environmental Idea that is floated

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    Aug 7th 2023, 3:33 PM

    Maybe farmers should pay more if they can’t get workers?

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    Aug 7th 2023, 8:03 PM

    Crikey, so many keyboard warriors leaving comments – most of whom demonstrate their ignorance in a magnificent way. Farming, is hard, dirty, difficult, and underpaid. But its hard with to compete with those “clean boot experts” who know oh so much better.

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    Aug 7th 2023, 12:56 PM

    We would drive into the river and start filling with buckets as quickly as possible, due to leaks.then drive up the Field and empty it out… this was done 2-3 times

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