Israeli army acting like, Waffen SS units.

Johnny five aka fog , another fake account from the Israeli clown in the embassy . Israel = Child Murders

Hah nice to see Johnny Hasbara” five is back… with his ranting and raving… And I’m guessing you and the Israeli ambassador both shared a nice glass of wine and a chuckle after the UN school was bombed…

Now as to the facts and figures that the Hasbara dont want us to know…

“Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing the amounts provided to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct U.S. economic and military assistance since 1976 and the largest total recipient since World War ll.

Total direct U.S. aid to Israel amounts to well over $140 billion in 2003 dollars. Israel receives about $3 billion in direct foreign assistance each year, which is roughly one-fifth of America’s entire foreign aid budget. In per capita terms, the United States gives each Israeli a direct subsidy worth about $500 per year.

This largesse is especially striking when one realizes that Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to South Korea or Spain.”

- John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
“The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy”

Insults, but nothing to actually put down my argument. Just another day on The Journal.

Adrian: That doesn’t contradict anything that I said.

@Sean

The Z.i.o.n.i.s.t. Lobby in the USA have so much power that all semblance of democracy and impartiality regarding the Middle East is no longer possible… the only way the US could protest from within their Z.i.o.n.i.s.t. chains was to suspend flights to Israel… which obviously didn’t last long… but it was a shout that was heard and understood

Seems the USA is a country suffering from its own form of occupation, conquered by an enemy that never fired a shot!

Stranger then Fiction!

What about the billions of international aid pouring into Gaza every year, and what have they got to show for it? At least Israel can honestly demonstrate what they do with any aid they get, it’s used for the protection of Israel and it’s people. Instead of using it to invest in their people they’d rather buy weapon, rockets, missiles, mortars, dig tunnels into Israel and use their people as disposable pawns.
There’s no mention of Hamas’ dismissive attitude towards the various truce’s, their deliberate outrageous demands they know will have to be refused, Hamas have previously stated they will never make peace with Israel, not now not ever.
There has also been reports of Hamas threatening journalists in Gaza, when they report Hamas firing rockets from or near their hotels they’re threatened and accused of being spies for Israel. Others tweeted about missiles fired from beside the main hospital in Gaza and they were threatened, the result is that the reporting of this entire conflict is even biased. It’s an established fact what Hamas are doing in Gaza, but it cannot be reported, only what the Israeli’s are doing can be reported.
Hamas, in effect, want to continue attacking Israel, they have stated clearly that they will not stop doing what they’ve been doing for over 10 years. They will continue to use their people as shields for their attacks in the full knowledge that the “slaughter” will continue, they want it to continue. And while they are doing all this they want Israel to stop, to negotiate with them, to sign their own death warrant. Seriously?
If I’m hitting you, throwing bombs at you, and state clearly that I will never stop until you are dead – but I want you to stop hitting back. You’d call me insane, and beat the ever loving crap out of me.
Before anyone begins to lecture about you did what to whom in the past, this isn’t a discussion about history. This is supposed to be a discussion about stopping this conflict now.

Truce? Where is the document so we can view it for ourselves and see that its a fair deal for both sides?!?! I doubt you’ll find it but you can play the “Hasbara” game of lets pretend all you want.

As for the Egyptian proposal its far more likely the CIA backed Military dictator was proposing a 100% Israeli truce, i.e. giving Israel everything it wants and doing nothing for the Gazans. And Hamas is correct is standing its ground until the complete economic blockade is lifted… one example of which is Israeli naval units machine gunning fishermen just trying to catch some bloody fish! 21st Century N.a.z.i.’s or worse!

As for Egypt this new Military dictator according to writer Uri Avnery, is a person loathed by Islamists and liberals everywhere. He is a man who has killed and imprisoned many hundreds of Egyptians. He is an open military ally of Israel. He is a client for American policies, i.e Israeli policies. Moreover, since Hamas arose as an offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, General Abd-al-Fatah Al-Sisi hates them with all his heart, and does not hide it.

So, instead of negotiating with Hamas, he did something exceedingly stupid: dictate a cease-fire on Israeli terms without consulting Hamas at all. Hamas leaders learned about the proposed cease-fire from the media and rejected it out of hand.

Here is the real truce proposal:

The Irish anti-War Movement (IAWM) issued a statement today calling for an immediate ceasefire and direct negotiations of the ten-point plan put forward by the Hamas leadership, which has been endorsed by the PLO. It also called on the Irish Government to support such a move.

The statement noted that the Hamas proposal has the de-facto support of the elected representatives of the entire Palestinian population. All the demands in the Hamas 10-point plan are perfectly reasonable and if implemented would lead to a permanent end to hostilities, a lifting of the siege of Gaza and a much safer and dignified life for both Palestinians and Israelis.

The Hamas ten-point proposal notes the following:

• Withdrawal of Israeli tanks from the Gaza border.
• Freeing all the prisoners that were arrested after the killing of the three youths.
• Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people.
• Establishing an international seaport and airport, which would be under U.N. supervision.
• Increasing the permitted fishing zone to 10 kilometers.
• Internationalizing the Rajah Crossing and placing it under the supervision of the U.N. and
some Arab nations.
• International forces on the borders.
• Easing conditions for permits to pray at the Al-Aqua Mosque.
• Prohibition on Israeli interference in the reconciliation agreement
• Reestablishing an industrial zone and improvements in further economic development in the
Gaza Strip.

The IAWM statement noted that the demands contained in the ten-point plan are in fact quite reasonable and represent what the UN and many NGOs have been calling for since the siege began after the 2006 election.

So go on you foreign Hasbara fakes… give it your best shot!!! :)

Anyone watching the News? John Kerrys ceace-fire proposal rejected outright by the Warmongers in the Knesset! Z.i.o.n.i.s.m is Rascism!

@ Adrian

Ten reasonable points and in response Israel will once again ask them to recognise their right to exist and as before, hamas etc won’t agree and it will remain in their charter forever more to destroy Israel and every Jew.

But say Israel were to accept the 10 conditions … Do you believe Israeli citizens would be safe then? Honest answer please …

@Jenni Sorry I dont play the “Hasbara” game… step 1 of which is distort the Issue… so no lets pretend will work with me… Israel is doing the killing with Israeli lawyers and politicians calling for everything from the rape of Palestinians girls and women to the outright genocide of all the Palestinian population!

So lets get an honest answer from you? Find me one point in the Hamas truce that is unacceptable?

@Adrian That has to be one of the worst things I’ve ever see anyone state here on the Journal, there are other opinions besides yours and people are entitled to their opinion, especially if they can present them in a calm and logical manner.
To suggest that anyone can find the bombing of a UN School and the deaths of the children there funny is disgusting, everyone here has stated many times how much we all abhor any deaths and the death of a child is always heartbreaking. You owe Johnny an apology for that.
We are entitled to have our opinions, they may differ from yours, we are entitled to express our opinions. This is the basis of a free society, the freedom of speech, of expression. You are not Hamas.

Incidentally did you seriously think the suspension of flights to Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion Airport was some sort of political statement from some lobby within America? It wasn’t. It was closed because Hamas began to target it with some of those longer range missiles you choose to ignore, they were intercepted by the Israeli Irondome system, but with so many missiles whizzing around the airspace near the airport several US carriers stopped flights followed by European and international carriers. It wasn’t politics, it was Hamas.

@Jenni

Are Israeli citizens going to be safer at the moment? Apart from an actual genocide (the current conflict is not) it is hard to see when Israeli citizens will ever be safe outside of actual peaceful dialogue. How do you envision the safety of Israeli citizens being helped by the current status quo? What do you want to happen?

@ Marcus

I believe Qatar needs to be at the table. I believe that Hamas can’t have pre conditions before they even start to talk. And if do, then Israel should also have preconditions

1 Hamas charter removes wish to wipe Israel and all Jews off the map

2 Neutral police force to be engaged prior to lifting of blockade

3 Recognise Israel’s right to exist

I believe this would be safest for all concerned and fair.

@ Adrian I’m hardly distorting the issue. There’s normally discussion with peace talks so I’m asking that in return for these ten points would Hamas then accept Israel’s right to exist? It’s a simple yes or no question and is fundamental to any peace agreement. Last time, they and their Arab buddies refused… Had they accepted, we wouldn’t be in this awful situation..

That’s laughable “Israel’s right to exist”
What happened to the right to exist of the dead Palestinian children killed by Israel, It has become a murder machine backed by the U.S

@ Adrian yes or no? It’s not difficult…

Any Nation which behaves in the way Israel has should not have the right to exist.

@ Hasbara Jed.I

Well if the repulsive z.i.o.n.i.s.t. representative here in Dublin can go on tv and say how proud he is of the Israeli soldiers who shelled the UN school then I believe the comment to be 100% accurate……

hard to believe he’s a an improvement on his predecessor… the 21st centurys “Goeebels” Mark Regev… my god how the victims of the Holocaust must be turning in their graves.. seems the few surviving ones are so sickened by Z.i.o.n.i.s.m. that they’re joining the Resistance one by one!

Z.i.o.n.i.s.m. is Rasicm!

@Marcus You have a point. I’ve seen statements from various Isreali’s over the years, furious at various terrorist factions for forcing them to use such overwhelming force, yet here we are repeating the same mistakes all over again. An I do think they are tactical mistakes.
It’s in the Israeli psyche when pushed not just to shove back but to do so with overwhelming force. Sometimes this can be very effective, and you’ll never be pushed again, but, as in this case, when you keep having to repeating the same lesson over and over again every few years, it’s a mistake. Israel are being led into this, Hamas are goading them to do it and the did. Had someone in Israel read Sun Tzu and the Art of War they’d know, never take what your enemy offers. Plus as one of their famous sons once said “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity”. Sooner or later Israel will have to try something different.

On point number 9, surely Israel have to be involved in any reconciliation agreement, so I am unsure on what it means.

The other points seem on face value reasonable, but considering the undoubted paranoia that exists in sections of Israeli society what guarantees are there regarding Hamas and recognising Israel?

It would be good if it could be accepted. If it worked you can actually see a blueprint within the points for sorting out the West Bank in the future.

@Jenni So the Hamas charter is the problem? Hmmm I think you’re leaving out the elephant in the room!

The 1999 Likud Party Charter:

“The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria (West Bank) and Gaza are the realization of Z.i.o.n.i.s.t values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

Similarly, they claim the Jordan River as the permanent eastern border to Israel and it also claims Jerusalem as belonging to Israel.

The ‘Peace & Security’ chapter of the 1999 Likud Party platform rejects a Palestinian state.
“The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel’s existence, security and national needs.

But the Likud Constitution of May 2014 is more vague and ambiguous. Though it contains commitments to the strengthening of Jewish settlement in Judea and Samaria, it does not explicitly rule out the establishment of a Palestinian state, but we all know where that means…!

So come on Hasbara Jenni answer the question! Do you reject the policy of the Israeli government to deny the Palestinian people their right to live?Their right to their land? The right to their freedom? Their very right to exist?

On overtime at the embassy Jenni?

@Adrian You didn’t direct that comment at just the Israeli ambassador, but at Johnny Five too, his only “crime” was daring to have an opinion that differed to yours. As does mine.
It seems you will ignore logical arguments and evidence but you’re quite happy to lash out with vague accusations and wild insults of anyone who has the temerity to disagree with YOU on your forum.
You wrongly equate someone disagreeing with Hamas and everything they stand for, to agreeing with killing. This is incorrect and deeply flawed.
I’m sure you’ll shout down any argument you don’t want to hear, after all yours is the only one that counts, right? He who shouts loudest must be right, don’t tolerate any opposition. Insult them. Create enough of a disturbance that when someone asks you to shut up, points out what you’re doing etc. then shout louder that they’re working for Israel, right?

@ seamus … Ignorant fool. It’s Shabbat so the embassy is closed. Try harder

@ Adrian They pulled every Israeli out of the West Bank in 2005 with the full intention of this being the start of the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Errr he said they were all reasonable. He is asking you, do you think it was be reasonable if Hamas recognised Israel’s right to exist? Stop frothing at the mouth and answer the question…

the Us gave 1 billion of aid in the last 2 weeks ,this is all to fool the sheeple.

Adrian is distorting the issue by saying I’m distorting the issue. Meh .. Why am I wasting my time with him?

Go Jeni and Jedi I !!! You know you’ve already won the argument when all these fools can come up with is pathetic claims that you work for the Israelis. I mean God forbid there would be someone in the country who has an alternative opinion from the prevailing view that the Israelis are the only aggressor here.

*Jenni

Thanks gav. …

Ps I obviously meant they pulled out of Gaza not ot the West Bank in 2005!

Goodnight & peace

* Peter I wasn’t being overly familiar by calling you gav!! Sorry

Adrian, I’ve agreed with many of your initial posts, but you can’t go around calling everyone “hasbara” whatever that means. Jed I has been posting here for a long time on all sorts of stories, never insults anyone but has an educated opinion. You make some really good points I think, but you diminish them somewhat by trying to chase everyone who doesn’t share your views away.

No worries at all Jenni. Have a good night. It’s tiring trying to have a logical debate with some of the looney left on here

@ you know who!

Unfortunately when people lie blatantly about what is going on and troll sites like these without offering any facts, historical reference points and current on the ground realities I do get a little carried away and hot under the collar. But one thing is clear the Hasbara infiltration is obvious when you cannot even type the word Z.i.o.n.i.s.t. on this website, and most of the Z.i.o.n.i.s.t. commentators are so obviously from abroad…

And Its a marvelous thing that no matter how much distortion, half truths or lies that are posted about the occupation, that the pictures from Gaza, millions upon millions of them, cannot be distorted and they hold the key to truth about the cancer that plagues the Holy Land.
The cancer of Z.i.o.n.i.s.m.

So lets pull back a moment to 1948… before the false Gaza pullout when the Israeli troops and settlers did indeed leave but blockaded everyone and everything so no society could grow… and before the false ten year peace process which saw Jewish settlements expand exponentially into the remaining 22% of what was left of Palestine…

And lets take apart the Z.i.o.n.i.s.t. tissue of lies.. one by one!

In the 1948 war the conventional Z.i.o.n.i.s.t Version portrays the 1948 war as a simple struggle between the Arab “Goliath” Armies and the tiny Israel “David”. According to this version seven Arab armies invaded Palestine upon expiration of the British mandate with a single aim in mind, to strangle the Jewish state as soon as it came into existence. The heroic Jewish state fought a desperate battle for survival against overwhelming odds. During the war hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled to neighboring Arab states, mainly in response to orders from their leaders, in the expectation of a triumphant return. After the war Israel’s leaders sought peace with all their might, but there was no-one to talk to on the other side, and Arab intransigence has been responsible for the political deadlock that has existed in the decades since…

But following the release of official documents this version has now been shown to be a little far from the truth, especially in relation to the two main claims regarding the Arab-Israeli military balance and the Arab war aims.

According to the esteemed Israeli historian Avi Schlaim, The number of Arab troops deployed in mid-May 1948, both regular and irregular, was under 25,000, whereas the IDF fielded over 35,000 troops! By mid-July the IDF mobilized 65,000 men under arms and by December its numbers were over 95,000. The Arab states also reinforced their numbers but couldn’t match this rate of increase.
So in each encounter the IDF outnumbered the Arab armies arrayed against it and by the latter stage of the war outnumbered the Arab forces by two to one.

As for Arab war aims the Arab league had worked out a unified plan but King Abdullah who was given nominal command over the Arab forces made last minute changes and decided not to fight to prevent the establishment of a Jewish state, but rather to make himself the master of the Arab part of Palestine. The other Arab rulers resented this greatly and suspected him of working in collusion with the Z.i.o.n.i.s.t.s to divide up Palestine.

Not that the other Arab states were much better, each moved by dynastic or national interests, hidden behind the Fig Leaf of protecting the Palestinians.

As Robert Fisk once put it… the Arab states were out for a light lunch while the IDF were fighting for their very survival… so lets put to bed this fairy-tale about a giant Arab Army defeated by a tiny force of heroic Jews!

Thats at least one lie put to rest!

Interesting comment. I don’t know a huge amount about that period. They were outnumbered in the 6 day war though, weren’t they?

Adrian Z.ionism is a fictional term thought up by National Socialists in Germany prior to WW2. You and people that actually believe this nonsense need to get a life and forget this nonsense. You waffler!!

@Adrian “the cancer that plagues the Holy Land. The cancer of Z.i.o.n.i.s.m.” The 1948 war??? How far back do we go? Have you forgotten Jesus was a Jew, or why it’s even called the Holy Land?
You accuse everyone else of doing the very things you yourself are doing. Basically in 1948 when Israel declared statehood seven Arab countries surrounding it attacked, Israel hadn’t a chance. Believing Israel would be defeated Palestinians living there left, about 700,000, the majority intending to return when Israel was defeated and the war over. But Israel won, they pushed those armies back and that 700,000 have become the 4 million Palestinians claiming a “right of return”.
At the same time about 900,000 Jews in the surrounding Arab countries suddenly found themselves unwelcome they had no choice but flee to Israel, Resolution 194 mentions refugees, never Israel. This wording means these Jewish refugees have the same rights yet several Arab countries refused to sign the resolution and insist it only applies to them. You consistently ignore this.
I have no doubt you’re passionate about you’re point of view, but that’s not good enough when you’re ignoring the evidence regarding Hamas, refusing to acknowledge that others have an opinion in this too.
Its not good enough to insult and shout down people who present a logical alternative argument, which was the current situation rather than a biased history lesson.

‘We would have spared ourselves seven years of misery under the siege and two wars in 2008 and 2013 had we wanted to recognize Israel.’ Quote from Hamas spokesman, who also said recognising Israel’s right to exist is a ‘red line’ that cannot be crossed. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/05/interview-abu-marzouk-hamas-israel-fatah-reconciliation.html#

From the Jewish Voice for Peace;

Three teens not kidnapped by Hamas, but by a “lone cell”. Whether you agree with them or not, Hamas never had any issue about taking responsibility for their actions.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

https://www.facebook.com/JewishVoiceforPeace?fref=nf

Now if we can just find out what happened to those three and the Palestinian teen who was tortured and burned alive…

Johnny 5 is right the US pay for the iron dome

I still red thumbed you anyway johnny :)

There’s a perception in this part of the world that the cause of this current conflict is the deaths of the 3 teenagers, that’s not the case.
Hamas has fired more than 450 rockets at Israel since the beginning of the year, this had escalated recently along with attacks on IDF forces patrolling near Gaza, it was believed Hamas had used tunnels to attack them. There was also attacks on Israeli’s along the border with terrible murders prior to these three teenagers, entire families wiped out.
As the rockets increased, up to 250 in the 3 weeks prior to the conflict, Israel lost patience warning Hamas. Which is precisely what they wanted.
In this part of the world we never heard anything about any of this, we heard about the 3 teenagers being missing initially and then their murders and the subsequent murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir. It was initially believed, and it’s likely that they were murdered directly by Hamas or on Hamas’ orders, but with no evidence this can never be proven. As the saying goes, the dogs on the street know it, they also know that Mohammed Abu Khdeir was probably murdered by radical Jewish elements, and arrests have been made.

Thank you Peter and Jamie for your kind words.

The Hasbara is the Hebrew word for “explaining”, these days it refers to the Israeli group who have the responsibility of setting the record straight, usually online on social media, Twitter, Facebook and on various forums.
Adrian was accusing anyone who didn’t agree with him, who felt Hamas have a responsibility for their own actions in this, of working for Hasbara. You’re either with Adrian or against him, basically, but he went a step further and accused us of “working for the enemy”, so to speak.

Incidentally I’m Irish, born and bred.

Only rich because of what they robbed from palistine (via un ) 1946.

Jenni is Adrian the head of hamas?

It is difficult debating with someone who presumes that anyone who disagrees with them is from something called the loony left Peter. What information have you to make that presumption?
Must you be so divisive and see situations in such black and white terms?
So just out of curiosity Peter. Do you see yourself as being on the righteous right?

“Logical debate” on the journal!
Good luck with that.

Could we have the first romance on the journal:) Jenni could be a dude Pete… just saying!

@Jed I

As you and Jenni have put it reasonably reconciliation is the only logical future, and an international or UN peace/police force. The major problem I have is that the Israeli government panders to and indeed seems to revel in the kind of far-right nationalism and war-mongering that we haven’t seen in Europe since the Balkans, and that was indeed ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide.

Considering Einstein (I would disagree on the “famous son” part as I abhor the idea of a nation granted to a specific religion as it would be inherently prejudiced) the honestly painful part is that so many, many innocent people are dying, and will undoubtedly continue to do when it is blatantly unnecessary as it is quite obvious that the only way it will ever be solved is through political and territorial concessions (well genocide and ethnic cleansing are technically options but one would hope they aren’t on the table). I used to be a reasonable supporter of Israel’s rights but the last couple of conflicts have just made it ever more obvious that they have a blatant disregard for civilian life (more than that of Hamas as they actually know how many women and children they will kill) and take all the rest of us for absolute fools as they do not (currently) desire to live in peace with a Palestinian state.

Itsthe law waffen ss units would have left no one alive so your ability to apply the lesson of history is inaccurate so maybe instead of just parroting something you read maybe think first

6 people were arrested for the death of that poor Palestinian youth no one even tried to find out what happened to the 3 Israeli youths on the other side but lots celebrated their deaths

The Israeli Army, a fine bidy of men following in tradition of the Waffen SS and probably even more skilled in killing innocent children thsn they were, no matter what spin is put on it the Jewish State is treating the Palestinians exactly the same way as the Nazis did, the concentration camp is Gaza itself, disgusting.

Israel syold land from the Palestinians in 1949 are continue to build settlements on what is is left, their standing in the world has tsken a battering and eill continue to do so until the USA put them on a leash!

@Gus No they didn’t, that’s a myth. Once again in 1948 when Israel became a nation state, every other Arab nation surrounding them were outraged at the idea and attacked them, intending to wipe them off the map and kill every last Jew. A concept still held by Hamas to this day.
Israel not only defeated these seven armies but pushed them back, in doing so, borders changed, that’s war, they didn’t start it. The Palestinians who fled Israel, intending to return once they were defeated ended up in the Gaza strip and this was administered by Egypt until they handed control over to Israel in 1979. Israel gave control back to the Palestinian Authority in 1994 and all Israeli’s left in 2005.
At every opportunity various elements have attacked Israel, it’d be funny if it wasn’t so serious that while Hamas negotiate a truce they still maintain they want to kill every Jew and destroy Israel, that’s apart from their other demands and conditions.
If Israel just ask that they recognise Israel’s right to exist, TO EXIST? Hamas will throw a hissy fit and walk out on the talks.

@ You Know Who!

“My name is Reuven Moskovitz and I am a Holocaust survivor.

And why was a Jew trying to break the blockade of Gaza? It is a sacred duty for me as a Holocaust survivor, to protest against the persecution, the oppression and the imprisonment of so many people in Gaza, including more than 800,000 children.

I as a Holocaust survivor cannot live with the fact that the state of Israel is imprisoning an entire people behind fences. It is immoral!

What happened to me in the Holocaust wakes me up every night and I hope we dont do the same thing to our neighbors, and what I went through during the Holocaust reminds me of what the besieged Palestinian children are going through!”

You’re not neutral!

Neither are the other commentators, Raymond.

Johnny five, we are not a neutral country we are complicit in the American war machine and complicit in the deaths of innocent people by allowing Shannon be used by these warmongers. And even if we were neutral are you suggesting we should just sit back and say nothing and allow this genocide to continue without showing how utterly opposed we are to it. Disgusting attitude JF disgusting.

I am and always have been. I deplore and condemn Hamas and the IDF equality.

@Jonny
Neutral are we? With American troops passing through our airports every day? With American and Israeli missiles being shipped through our airports? And with CIA Rendition targets trafficked through our airports en route to American torture camps…not so neutral!

And yes kick out the Ambassador on his supremacist behind!!!!! NOW!

Luckily the shinners aren’t running the show! Ireland is neutral and should remain so!

@adrian. I expect to see you outside the us embassy at 9am tomorrow. You must act!

What a stupid comment.

I didn’t know you could see the US embassy from the Israeli embassy Charles, well I never.

Actually the Israeli Embassy protest starts at 2pm at the Spire… Don’t forget your Israeli flag.. and your Old Testament!

@Charles is that your place of work ;-)

Johnny only neutral when it suits some people usually the same people who complain Ireland is not neutral enough when it comes to our allowance of all military aircraft through this country of course those complaints are only about 1 country not the other 26 who officially request permission not one word about those who use a national airline to do their dirty work even if it is well documented that it’s part of their reserve forces

UN

UN aren’t going to send in an army.

A coalition of country’s or one country who are sick of what’s happening and aren’t in Israel’s pocket.

@Glen The Arab lads got their arses kicked the last time they tried something.

Reagan
The Americans with the approval of the UN … That international help and they turned it down in favour of more woman and children being killed.

Johnny with irans backing it could be done ……. But it would probably start WWIII

The IRISH army of course..Seeing that we are so pro Palestinian these days,we might as well start meddling in the region properly for a change.

And who is this fantasy coalation going to be Glen??Sending an army sounds good,but not so easy in reality.

Glen: Iran doesn’t have nuclear capabilities.

Well according to Israel they don’t have nukes either !!

@Glen They deny it, but everyone knows that they do.

Kinda like
They deny it’s genocide but everyone knows it is !!

Israel has the means to commit genocide. If this was genocide, the Gaza population wouldn’t be rising.

Maybe you should take the time to read up on the conflict before commentating on it.

@ And no Hasbara Johnny…

The Israelis got their arses kicked in the Yom Kippur War, only surviving because America under their masters orders sent Israel a new Air Force… all this after Israel tried to destroy an American warship the USS Liberty in the 6 day war after they spotted the Israeli army massacring Egyptian prisoners… killing over 34 American sailors and wounding 174….

And Hezbollah gave the Israeli cowards such a kicking in Lebanon that they realized they couldnt beat them and instead began attacking every single part of the civilian infrastructure.. including and no surprise here UN shelters… remember Qana? I do! Both times!!!!

In advance of Qods (Jerusalem) Day, which this year falls on July 25, 2014, and against the backdrop of the continued fighting in Gaza between Israel and the Palestinian resistance organizations in Gaza – Hamas and Islamic Jihad – Iran’s leaders have, in speeches, called implicitly and explicitly for the annihilation of the State of Israel. Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei also stressed the need to arm the West Bank, while Mohsen Rezaei, former commander of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) and secretary of Iran’s Expediency Council, called on the resistance organizations in Gaza to kidnap Israelis in order to stop Israel from firing on Gaza, and promised all kinds of military aid to the Palestinians. Also, Basij commander Mohammad Reza Naqdi called for finding a way “to end the story of the Z*****t regime” with a military defence alliance of the resistance forces against Israel, or with an attack on Israel by the Arab states that have Western weapons.

Iran has been using Hamas to fight a proxy war in Gaza but the Irish dhimmi are too thick to see this.

Johnny it’s genocide
Slow and painful but it’s genocide

Johnny with his “the population is rising so it can’t be genocide” argument. Johnny my dear boy, I explained this to you earlier in the day, so I need to do it again? Or are you hoping no one sees your other comments? Silly Johnny, under international law I’m afraid it is genocide, whether the population is rising or not. I don’t want to have to post back the actual article defining it again, but I will if it’s too difficult for you to remember.

Adrian: Israel was fighting multiple countries. It was only fair to have the sides evened.

Under international law, it is not genocide. I’m sorry, but if Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could.

Yes it is Johnny boy, yes indeed it is. Don’t be sorry for your ignorance Johnny, you can fix that.

Here’s the law:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to
destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
• (a) Killing members of the group;
• (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
• (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part;
• (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
• (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

See (a)? They are killing part of the group.
See (b)? The are causing serious bodily and mental harm to members of the group

And so on.

I hope you enjoyed your lesson, you have a short memory, we did this before, where you stated that because the population is rising it can’t be genocide. The issue there is that it doesn’t state under international law that the population must be decreasing, it simply says “in whole or in part”. You silly billy Johnny.

Dog. By that definition killing even a single member of a ‘group’ is considered genocide. So every conflict in the world is genocide once the first person is killed since everyone belongs to one group or another. That’s logically what you’re saying here. By the way, you may think your patronising tone makes you sound clever but it just highlights your immaturity and the weakness of your point.

I didn’t write the law. It was written by the United Nations General Assembly. How do you think I’m saying it? I didn’t write it. And yes, patronising to Johnny Five, I always will be. The guy is a dolt. We already had this discussion today, yet he just keeps repeating the same tripe. Thanks for the hand slap Peter, but I’m an adult, I don’t need lesson in maturity. That might make you think you look clever, but really it’s patronising too. Not that it bothers me, but I’m sure you see the irony.

The weakness of not my point, of the UN’s point, is what you should say. It is interpretations like yours that allow for genocide.

Yes Dog but you are saying it IS genocide while at the same time pointing the finger at the UN for a badly worded definition whereby a single killing can qualify as genocide which is clearly ridiculous. Since you are calling what’s happening in Gaza as genocide then I can only assume you agree with this definition?

Fog ; how is killing young lads on a beach going to stop these calls for the annhialtion of Israel from the Arab world ?..
When I was young I touched our range at home My hand got too hot to be comfortable so I didn’t touch the range again …sometimes it is wise to know what is good for you and what is not .
If one wants to be totally unemotional about it and look at it from a strategy point of view then this is an absolute disaster for the Israeli State !
Nearly a thousand Palestinians killed out of millions and the world is not impressed ……. Flights cancelled to Israel ….you can’t say that Israel is under imminent threat and then turn around and say come on over and visit you will be as safe as houses – it is illogical !
In the negotiations of men that which does not make sense usually has a lie wrapped around a hidden motive!” – Ching Zo Chinese Philosopher .

No killing people slower still makes it genocide! it’s just enough for our gutless politicians to turn the other check.

Oh I agree with the definition, 100%. For a state to kill one innocent person for any of those reasons is a crime. They should be held accountable for it. But you know full well what the definition is. I can see you think you’re very smart Peter. Well done, pat yourself on the back. By the definitions set out by the UN what Israel is doing is genocide. Plain and simple. Muddy away but all you achieve is muddying the waters in a situation where vast numbers of innocent people have been killed in their homes by indiscriminate shelling. You should be ashamed of yourself trying to defend it by use of semantics.

Well then dog by your approval of the definition hamas are also guilty of genocide

Johnny Five ..Press TV is a lot more credible than the papers you read.

http://s16.postimg.org/nsfriwk5h/Tabloid_propaganda.jpg

Iranian Press TV is a state-owned news station. It is the mouth piece of the Iranian government. If you believe that you are doing yourself justice by substituting western propaganda for anti-west propaganda, you are a fool.

Johnny Five.. Iran is a good country….

It has not invaded another country in over 200 years, it is totally committed to peace and dose not go about the planet war mongering and killing children on beaches and in schools. You should think twice of saying bad things about Iran also Iran’s Revolutionary Guard is a defensive military force.

Ablitive. Never said Iran was a bad country. I said that Iranian Press TV is a mouthpiece for the Iranian government and that it is full of anti-West propaganda.

Press TV is better than than most of the lying mouthpieces that we get from Tel aviv and Washington.

Look up the meaning of genocide there like a good lad.

It’s been some day on the journal for people without the slightest clue.

and Hamas isn’t displaying contempt for human life? Your all so one sided. Neither side in this is covered in glory, but most of you keep pointing fingers at Israel. Both sides are killing instead of talking.

Hamas is trying to kill as many Jews as possible and to eliminate the State of Israel.It proclaims, in a bizarre mixed metaphor, it will raze Israel to the ground, exterminate the cockroach’s nest, and banish all the Z*****s. Now that’s a call for genocide.

@ Alan.. Educate yourself ya sarcastic pr#ck

Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group via the (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Genocide entails also the Conspiracy to commit genocide; Direct and public incitement to commit genocide; Attempt to commit genocide; and Complicity in genocide.