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TWELVE DAYS AFTER the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down, international authorities still have not been able to get to the crash site to facilitate an investigation aimed at finding out exactly what happened on that day 298 people lost their lives.
Plans to send Dutch and Australian authorities to the area have been scrapped for a third time today and many of the victims’ remains still have not been even been removed from the site and returned home.
So, what’s holding it all up?
The area where the Malaysian Airlines flight came down in Ukraine is near the Russian border, where there have been raging battles between Ukranian forces and pro-Russian rebels. Over 1,000 people have been killed in the fighting since it kicked off in mid-April.
In the first 24 hours after the plane was shot down over Ukranian airspace, pro-Russian separatists who are controlling the area pledged to allow international investigators onto the site, as both sides sought to blame one another for bringing it down.
Though some work was done in the first couple of days to mark out bodies and recover the black boxes, reports from the scene indicated the operation was sloppy at best.
Two days after the disaster, separatists forces were blocking access to the site for Ukranian investigators and international observers.
Bodies recovered from the site were initially removed by rebels to an unknown location but a deal was later reached to hand over remains to the Netherlands. Rebels also agreed to give the plane’s black boxes to Malaysia.
Last Friday, a small group of Dutch and Australian investigators were sent to the site, accompanied by observers from the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe.
However there was no large-scale deployment of experts or security personnel and the site today remains largely unsecured.
Some family members also visited the site, like Jerzy Dyczynski and Angela Rudhart-Dycynski, whose 25-year-old daughter Fatima was a passenger:
The couple, who live in Australia, crossed the territory held by rebels to reach the wreckage.
On Saturday, Australian Prime Minsiter Tony Abbott said there are still human remains at the crash site. He told reporters that 190 Australian police would join a large-scale Dutch operation to secure the remains and help the investigation, stressing that it would be a humanitarian mission.
However, a day later, plans to visit the site were scrapped over security concerns.
Alexander Hug, deputy chief monitor of the Organization for Security and Cooperation commented:
There is fighting going on. We can’t take the risk. The security situation on the way to the site and on the site itself is unacceptable for our unarmed observer mission
Kiev said yesterday its troops had entered a string of towns around the scene of the Malaysian airliner disaster, including Shakhtarsk which lies 10 kilometres away.
There were plans yesterday and again today for authorities to go to the site but fighting on and around the road to the crash made it too risky.
Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte has called on the Ukrainian president to ask forces to halt hostilities in the area.
However the Ukrainian military confirmed that violence is still raging today, with pockets of insurgents continuing to fire on Ukrainian positions in nearby towns.
- With additional reporting from AFP.
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It won’t be long now. The Ukrainian army will have obliterated the remaining Terrorists in the area and the Investigators can get proper unrestricted access to carry out their work.
don’t be so sure, uncle Vlad will send more weapons and “little green men” in to help them out.
The corridor that they are using is slowly getting closed. And the Terrorists are getting more shrill in their cries for direct Russian intervention. Putin is happy to deny any involvement at present but by Direct involvement is an act of outright war. And I don’t think the West will stand by and just watch this time like they did with Georgia.
What are the West going to do Mick?D day part 2,except exchange a beach in Normandy,for one in Crimea?Lol.You’re a militarist fantasist.
If the Russkies did intervene,the most the US will do is send a platoon to Poland and maybe an F16 or two,if their lucky.
if they’re lucky
It won’t be long now, RAND email states pretty much what Tymoshenko said should happen to ethnic Russians in Western Ukraine, Poroshenko has followed the strategy laid out in RANDS email, despite being elected on a promise to open dialogue, I’d say you’re itching for it Mick aren’t ya?
The Obliteration of the Terrorists? Yes I am Joe.
@ Mick Jordan… They will for sure have obliterated the crash site, it’s too late, everything was recorded.
fyi!
THE NATIONAL | Jul 28, 2014 | 8:19
OSCE monitor on MH17 disaster
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/The+National/ID/2478615393/
‘There have been two or three fuselages that have been really pop? marked…. gun fire, very, very strong machine gunfire that has left these unique marks that we haven’t seen anywhere else. We were also asked for example if we have seen any samples of missile, no we haven’t is the answer… ‘
says Michael Bociurkiw, OSCE
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=101636
Do we get to treat you like Lord Haw Haw ?
Interesting Read right here…. http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/25/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag-attack/
Que the Putiniastas.
Frank wrote that.
Frank wrote that
Very good report there Pineal, well worth the read. Thanks.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Red_Ice_Creations
“Patrick Henningsen is an author and founder of the 21st Century Wire news website, a former Associate Editor of Infowars.com and regular geopolitical analyst for Russia Today”
not exactly an unbiased source there Pinel
Joe. Did you all not learn your lesson when Putin made you all look stupid over Crimea. For weeks all we heard was “No way are they Russian marines. They are all local volunteers. Russia has no troops outside its base”. And then Putin turns around and says “Yes they were Russian Marines”.
And when enough proof comes from the investigation to say yes the plane was shot down by an SA11 missile and it was fired by the Terrorists. He will do it to you all again. And say “Yes the Terrorists shot it down but it was a case of mistaken identity.”
Here Joe is just a taste of what is coming down the road. Russia denies supplying the Terrorists. Have a read of this.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0FY0UA20140729?irpc=932
Joe I thought you were a facts man, this is obviously a conspiracy website rehashing the Kremlin stories. I may be wrong but were you one of the people calling for people to wait for the investigation before jumping to conclusions, yet here you are praising this junk. Mainly it would seem as it supports you Moscow bias. As you seem to think that Moscow is the last Bastion of truth and freedom in the world I look forward to hearing about you and the other putinista’s leaving to go there. No doubt you’ll get a crash course in “freedom” Russian style when you get there.
And Joe if you don’t like Reuters here is the same story in the Moscow Times.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/weapons-used-by-ukraine-s-rebels-point-towards-russian-origins/504235.html
Business Cat.. that is not my style… Where are the numbers???…
Nice work Brendan, too busy to check that myself but suspected as much.
Aleksandr Khodakovsky talking to journalists about the Buk that shot down MH17…
“I knew the a Buk was coming from Luhansk. At the moment, I was told a Buk as coming from Luhansk under the flag of the People’s Republic of Luhansk towards Snizhne. I do know about that Buk, I heard about it.” -Aleksandr Khodakovsky
“Did it Arrive?” -Reporter
“I think it was sent back. I found about it exactly when I learned that this tragedy had happened. Most likely it was sent back to conceal the evidence of its presence. But you understand this question should be considered in the following context. Ukraine well in advance received information that the Rebels, because of Russia, had this kind of weapon.” -Aleksandr Khodakovsky
“Not only did [Ukraine] do nothing to ensure safety, but instead it provoked the use of this kind of weapon against a civilian airplane that was flying by.” -Aleksandr Khodakovsky
http://www.rferl.org/media/video/ukraine-rebel-commander-buk-missile/25468569.html
@ Mick Jordan,, The Moscow Times is not a Russian Newspaper, it is foreign owned and, and like Voice of America was, it’s purpose is to spread western propaganda.
@ Pineal G.. Very good but, now you have attracted the politically correct troll teams, get ready for the attacks.
@ Mick Jordan.. Kinda like, Eh… Ah… actually… Er… Em There was no coup in Kiev.
Hardly a shot fired in Crimea, no loss of life. You gota give it to Putin, he is the man.
@ Joe Corleon fyi!
THE NATIONAL | Jul 28, 2014 | 8:19
OSCE monitor on MH17 disaster
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/The+National/ID/2478615393/
‘There have been two or three fuselages that have been really pop? marked…. gun fire, very, very strong machine gunfire that has left these unique marks that we haven’t seen anywhere else. We were also asked for example if we have seen any samples of missile, no we haven’t is the answer… ‘
says Michael Bociurkiw, OSCE
@ Brendan Curran.. The only bias it shows is yours, you don’t get to pick which sources are biased or not. that’s up to each person.
I’m no expert but going by what this article is saying (i’m open to correction) that this area is controlled by the rebels, who want to be Russian.
Yet there is fighting going on in this area
So shouldn’t the Ukrainian army and Kiev stop its soldiers and let the investigation happen. They seem to be engaging with the rebels and essentially delaying the investigation from happening.
Your talking common sense.It usually has no place on these threads.
Normally I would agree, the main issue though is that the MH17 crash site is quite close to the Russian-Ukrainian border. The rebels have been receiving a steady flow of weapons and fighters from this border area and sealing it is essential to their ability to end this civil war quickly.
While the families of MH17 certainly deserve justice, closing the border would mean a swift end to the war and many lives would be spared.
Sealing it is an impossibility.Poroshenkos’ army simply do not have the manpower to seal a border that runs for hundreds of kilometres.This is probably going to drag on for years.
Only if Putin keep supplying the Terrorists with Weapons and Men.
Even if the Russians continue to get weapons and people across the border, it will be in much smaller quantities than what is currently flowing across the border into Donetsk.
@ Jason Culligan.. It would be more to the point, and serve peace better if the coup junta that is causing the deaths were deposed, this is turning into a night mare, if it were not for the restrained actions of Russia after the American instigated war, there would be many more dead by now. If not for Americas actions, this air disaster would not have happened.
@ Jason Culligan..In your expert opinion which you freely gave, you claimed a SU 25 could not reach the altitude at which Flight MH 17 was shot down. So, in your opinion what would explain the 30 mm cannon shell holes found in the fuselage. The Flight Data Recording on the aircraft is NOT the important one. It will have a CAS or a conflict alert warning but may not have the id or trajectory of the object in conflict. The ATC facility tape of the PVD (plan view display with digitized data blocks of all the aircraft) which is saved for two weeks NORMALLY is where the true evidence is.
That’s why the Russians don’t care about the Ukraine army taking the crash site, the PVD data was recorded by China, Russia and about ten other nations. America and Kiev really should have cooperated in the reporting of what was seen.
@ Jason Culligan.. fyi!
THE NATIONAL | Jul 28, 2014 | 8:19
OSCE monitor on MH17 disaster
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/The+National/ID/2478615393/
‘There have been two or three fuselages that have been really pop? marked…. gun fire, very, very strong machine gunfire that has left these unique marks that we haven’t seen anywhere else. We were also asked for example if we have seen any samples of missile, no we haven’t is the answer… ‘
says Michael Bociurkiw, OSCE
This is a disgrace. People like this don’t care who they hurt or kill or whose lives they destroy. As long as they’re furthering their stupid cause!
Closing the border would mean a swift end to the war and lives would be spared.
And what next Jason? You think it’s gonna end there?
Mostly, considering the fact that weapons and “volunteers” from Russia have been critical to the rebels being able to survive for this long.
Joe, go ask Putin about that.
@ Jason Culligan.. For all your obfuscation you now have to face the truth, you should have watched the press conference given by the Russians. They never said it was an SU 25, they really let you lot sucker yourselves.
fyi!
THE NATIONAL | Jul 28, 2014 | 8:19
OSCE monitor on MH17 disaster
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/The+National/ID/2478615393/
‘There have been two or three fuselages that have been really pop? marked…. gun fire, very, very strong machine gunfire that has left these unique marks that we haven’t seen anywhere else. We were also asked for example if we have seen any samples of missile, no we haven’t is the answer… ‘
says Michael Bociurkiw, OSCE
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=101636
The war is about to start in Ukraine, since you like liars and murder’s so much, why don’t you volunteer to go and tend their wound, they are about to get a good ass kicking.
What a bunch of hypocrites, the US and many of those supporting the sanctions against Russia for supporting separatists were the very ones who supported the separatists and the breakup of former Yugoslavia as well as turning the KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) who were officially on the international terrorist list into freedom fighters.
They also supported (morally, financially as well as with weaponry) the campaigns against Saddam Hussein, Muammar Muhammad and Bashar al-Assad. All of these countries that are now in turmoil with civil wars raging and no peace in sight but there is no stomach to demand that the Israelis and the Palestinians agree to a cease fire.
The US and the EU say that it is very hard for them to bring the two sides to the table and to agree on a ceasefire and a lasting peace. Why not impose a Rambouillet style peace proposal where they are forced to accept an imposed peace or face the wrath of NATO like they did with the Serbs and the Kosovars?
It is the Ukrainian government that is on the offensive and destroying all that are against them using artillery tanks and aircraft and the West are not saying anything about it but instead are calling them terrorists. We are talking about the elderly, women and children being killed just because they wish to separate from a country with which they feel no bond.
The West has supported these kind of movements in the past but this time around they are saying nothing but providing weapons, money and training for the Ukrainian government and then trying to blame the Russians for the mess that they have created.
Why also no news about a U.S. Congressional report reveals that the America military has stockpiled in Israel $800 million worth of Israeli weapons for emergencies.
The equipment originally stored in Israel was worth approximately $100 million, but it grew to $800 million in 2010. An amendment to a Congressional law allows the value of the emergency cache to be increased to $1.12 billion.
The equipment was transferred to Israel for use by the United States in case of war, and Israel may use the weapons in case of emergency and with American approval.
For those of you that support the Russian/Terrorists. Here is a report from Human Rights Watch.
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/dispatches-mass-grave-found-eastern-ukraine
mh 17 is mh 370 baaaa baaaaaaaaaa
The answer is in the nose cone serial number that was photographed by a passenger Cor Pan prior to boarding….It didn’t match up with the crash damage.
The crashed plane also had a different configuration of windows to that of registered MH17 that Cor Pan was boarding.
You said it SUT…
@ Ablitve.. It also had a different tail fin.
@ Ablitive.. fyi!
THE NATIONAL | Jul 28, 2014 | 8:19
OSCE monitor on MH17 disaster
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/The+National/ID/2478615393/
‘There have been two or three fuselages that have been really pop? marked…. gun fire, very, very strong machine gunfire that has left these unique marks that we haven’t seen anywhere else. We were also asked for example if we have seen any samples of missile, no we haven’t is the answer… ‘
says Michael Bociurkiw, OSCE
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