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Shelling hampers search as experts continue to scour MH17 site

Armed rebel fighters have remained at the scene to keep an eye on the gathered journalists.

INTERNATIONAL EXPERTS ARE continuing their painstaking probe at the vast crash site of downed flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine, deploying sniffer dogs to help find any remains still left at the scene.

Some 70 Dutch and Australian police investigators were back for a second day to scour through the wreckage, while those leading the hunt have warned the grim task could take some three weeks to complete.

An AFP journalist, asked by the probe team to remain a few hundred metres from the investigators, saw search crews fanning out across a field and occasionally bending down to collect and bag objects.

A refrigerated ambulance van was on site to store any remains found, while armed rebel fighters kept an eye on the gathered journalists.

However, shelling has hampered search efforts, with investigators being forced to leave one area of the crash site.

The shooting down of the Malaysia Airlines plane more than two weeks ago, killing all 298 people on board, refocused world attention on the conflict in Ukraine and pushed the United States and European Union into imposing the toughest sanctions against Moscow since the Cold War.

Washington accuses insurgents of blowing the airliner out of the sky with a surface-to-air missile likely supplied by Russia, while Moscow and the rebels have pointed the finger at the Ukrainian military.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott welcomed the recovery of more remains from the crash site after a bulk of the investigators managed for the first time Friday to reach the site after being thwarted by days of clashes between government troops and rebel fighters.

Ukraine Plane AP / Press Association Images AP / Press Association Images / Press Association Images

More than 220 coffins have already been sent back to the Netherlands, which lost 193 citizens in the July 17 crash, but more body fragments remain lying out in the cornfields where the plane came down.

“It is good that… we’ve had, for the first time, large numbers of Australian and Dutch police on site, large numbers of investigators on site who have been able to begin a thorough, professional search,” Abbott told reporters.

But he warned that the probe at the crash site covering 20 square kilometres (eight square miles) would be “a long and slow process”.

Even as the international team managed to begin work at the site, the fighting that had impeded their probe continues to rage across eastern Ukraine.

And some EU diplomats have warned that recent sanctions could actually embolden Putin by convincing him he has nothing to lose now by going all-in over the Ukraine crisis.

Obama US President Barack Obama AP / Press Association Images AP / Press Association Images / Press Association Images

Stoking those fears, the Pentagon said Russia was continuing to reinforce its military presence along the border with Ukraine.

In a telephone call with Russian leader Vladimir Putin on Friday, US President Barack Obama expressed his “deep concerns” about Moscow’s increased support for separatists rebels waging a brutal conflict against Kiev that has claimed more than 1,150 lives since mid-April.

© – AFP 2014

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    Mute Martin Ryan
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:13 PM

    The longer it takes the more interest AIB will have to pay won’t they?

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    Mute Plantation Watch
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:29 PM

    The bailout is bigger than 21 Billion, the low interest rates and DIRT @ 41% are not taken into account.

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    Mute Tony Skillington
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:38 PM

    True Martin but the more interest they have to pay , the longer it will take for them to get back to profitability.

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    Mute gerbreen
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    Nov 13th 2014, 5:05 PM

    Future tax on profits written off against taxpayer covered debts.

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    Mute Mark Lillis
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    Nov 13th 2014, 5:30 PM

    Profits earned for a large part by charging crazy customers fees to those that bailed them out.

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    Mute Looky here
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    Nov 14th 2014, 12:03 AM

    Investment ?!! More like theft !!

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    Mute KimJong-unDotCom
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:14 PM

    Woohoo we’ll all be rich again. I’ve an option on some apartments in Bulgaria if anyone’s interested?

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    Mute Ronan Stokes
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:40 PM

    Bulgaria is old news Kim, Cape Verde is where its at, the new Canaries!… Ryan Air will be flying there soon. Yer man from Cork that knows about the money is selling them!

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:52 PM

    Brendan oil own fake is it ?

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    Mute KimJong-unDotCom
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    Nov 13th 2014, 4:01 PM

    I like your style Ronan, just for that I’ll throw in a hot tub.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Nov 14th 2014, 1:59 AM

    Brendan Investments …come on now people keep up ….

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    Mute Martin Sinnott
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:19 PM

    The Irish taxpayer paid out €21 Billion to bail out the Bank, then the senior bailed the pension fund with over €1.5 Billion, they retired on huge Pensions. Then they closed the pension to new members. The tax payer is paying 1000 staff salaries of over €100,000. Tax payers are taken to the cleaners by the AIB. You would want to be a gxxxxxxe to Bank with them.

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    Mute Sean O'Keeffe
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    Nov 13th 2014, 4:11 PM

    In 1984, AIB was bailed out, at a cost of £400 million to the Irish taxpayer, when its subsidiary (ICI) collapsed. The following year AIB paid out a dividend to its shareholders, while still in-hoc to the taxpayer.

    Less than 25 years later AIB was back, cap in hand, for another draw down.

    As from the last budget, it would appear, the government will, now, be incentivising even greater incompetence and negligence through its revised taxation policy.

    http://m.independent.ie/business/irish/why-one-irish-bank-wont-have-to-pay-tax-until-2034-30391556.html

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    Mute John McCormack
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    Nov 13th 2014, 6:44 PM

    I despise that bloody bank, really actively despise it, I have more respect for a junkie thief than I have for anyone working for it.

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    Mute James Darby
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    Nov 13th 2014, 9:20 PM

    Saw that in the paper today, Martin. I nearly choked on me sandwich. 1000 AIB staff on over €100,000. Nothing has changed, these people live in a different world, on our money and nobody seems to care.

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    Mute John McCormack
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    Nov 13th 2014, 11:08 PM

    All the sheeple red arrowing me- the type that doff their cap to their “betters”
    A bankrupt state in tatters because of AIB- generations enslaved to paying for this God awful mess and these sad sacks red arrow someone pointing out how despicable this bank is- third time being bailed out by the tax payers and it’s these clowns attitude will see them bankrupt us again.

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    Mute Denise Friary
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:36 PM

    Anybody that owes the AIB money shouldn’t pay it until they give all that money back to the taxpayers

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    Mute Gagsy 99
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    Nov 13th 2014, 4:21 PM

    jaysus!

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    Mute justanothertaxpayer
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    Nov 13th 2014, 5:28 PM

    yep – this is a brilliant idea and will definitely help the borrower, the lender and the State finances all in one go.
    I look forward to the next economic marvel from you Denise.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:28 PM

    Well we’ll keep it so until you do – all of it ! not 75% ……” there’s a big bonus for ye lads and a few share options Isn’t the Irish public really stupid”,
    ALL OF IT !

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    Mute Stephen Kearon
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    Nov 13th 2014, 6:29 PM

    A fraction of this €21b would fix our water system and therefore no need for any Irish Water charges

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    Nov 13th 2014, 5:56 PM

    That’s like €4.5k for each citizen. That would give the local economy some boost. Can I expect a cheque in the post?

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    Nov 13th 2014, 6:31 PM

    Too f***ing late AIB the people have already had to suffer from your mess

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    Mute Anthony Halpin
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    Nov 13th 2014, 10:34 PM

    Well they could start by returning the €18 they stole from my account, which f***ed up a direct debit payment.

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    Mute David Burke
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:39 PM

    If we get double digits billions back from the bank we will be doing well. AIB isn’t worth 21 billion.

    The big swing is the taking back the provisions for bad loans which were the worse worse case. That’s why they made big losses as they had to put huge money aside and now they don’t need it so they can take some and call it a profit.

    But that’s a short term thing as the economy improves and losses reduce. They still haven’t shown they can make money long term.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:45 PM

    IF I was a sausage I’d dance at the crossroads with a pink tutu on, while reciting the government ignored out of copyright amhran na bfhiann backwards on a bicycle !

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    Mute Ronan Stokes
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    Nov 13th 2014, 7:02 PM

    What about some decking Kim, a hot tub and some decking and im in!! I already have one in Kusadasi.

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    Mute Alan Clinton
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    Nov 14th 2014, 10:13 AM

    It’s about time we took our fingers out of our holes and marched on the banks think about what they done to this country and how easy they got away with it . FFs Ireland’s paying 42% of the over all debt of the eu, so how dose the smallest end up paying the most

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    Mute Paul Roche
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    Nov 13th 2014, 4:01 PM

    Bing!

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    Nov 13th 2014, 4:32 PM

    So how much will my bank shares be worth by then…??

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Nov 13th 2014, 5:13 PM

    As Paul said they will be worth “Bing”

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    Nov 20th 2014, 7:36 PM

    I have got to be the worlds lousiest fairy.

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