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Two people tour the site of the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan. Shizuo Kambayashi/AP/Press Association Images

No nukes are good nukes: former Japanese PM's advice to Ireland

Ex-PM Naoto Kan says nuclear power should be consigned to the history books after Fukushima disaster.

THE JAPANESE LEADER who was in charge of pick up the pieces after the Fukushima reactor disaster has warned Ireland against following in his country’s nuclear footsteps.

Former prime minister Naoto Kan today told a panel of Irish energy-industry heavy hitters that nuclear power should be consigned to the history books within a few generations.

“I think, before the end of this century, nuclear power plants are going to go away from the surface of the globe,” he said through an interpreter.

“We should not think any more about (nuclear disasters) not happening, but when they happen how many people will suffer.”

A renewable-energy convert

A group including Glen Dimplex CEO Sean O’Driscoll and SSE Airtricity chairman Mark Ennis was told Kan, the first former Japanese prime minister to visit Ireland, had been certain nuclear power was safe for Japan – until the 2011 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami struck.

NO FEE ENGY FRMR JAPAN PM MX5 Former Japanese prime minister Naoto Kan and Glen Dimplex chief executive Sean O'Driscoll in Dublin today. Maxwell Photography Maxwell Photography

The resulting Fukushima nuclear reactor disaster changed his thinking overnight and led to a massive push into renewable energy and energy efficiency in the country.

“In Japan, there is no place where we can (safely) build a nuclear power plant and, looking at the globe, there are still very, very few places where we can do it,” he said.

The Irish nuclear scene, or lack thereof

The Irish government has not ruled out a nuclear power, although there remains a legal ban on nuclear development in the republic that would need to be lifted before any new plant could be built.

Its “green paper” on energy, released in May, said the impending closure of the coal-fired Moneypoint plant in Co Clare meant it could be the right time to look at whether a nuclear reactor was an economically-viable replacement.

343017 Moneypoint power plant in Co Clare. Declan McNaboe Declan McNaboe

A 2013 TheJounal.ie poll revealed 45% of readers were against Ireland considering nuclear power, while 34% liked the idea.

photo A 2013 TheJournal.ie poll asked readers if Ireland should consider nuclear power. Here's what they said. TheJournal.ie TheJournal.ie

Ireland is currently heavily dependent on imported fossil fuels for its energy needs.

Meanwhile, the UK government has given the go-ahead for the first nuclear reactor in a generation to be built at Hinkley Point in England’s southwest – less than 250km from Ireland.

An Taisce, Ireland’s national trust, recently lost a legal challenge to the new plant’s development.

Irish nuclear challenge One of the existing nuclear power plants at Hinkley Point. Tim Ireland / PA Wire/Press Association Images Tim Ireland / PA Wire/Press Association Images / PA Wire/Press Association Images

READ: Concerns raised about Irish nuclear risk

READ: An Taisce loses legal challenge to British nuclear power station

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    Mute Taxi Bill
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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:17 PM

    Not sure I follow his logic govern that Japan is one of Tyne most (geographically) unstable counties on the planet and Ireland is one of the most stable. Japan had one of the largest earth quakes ever recorded follows by one of the largest tsunamis on record, and the station used well out of date technology, seems to me to be a reason to at least have a real debate on Nuklear power

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    Mute Noble Gas
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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:21 PM

    Not too mention Godzilla, Mothra, Rodan,,,. I mean FFS.

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    Mute Danny Rigg
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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:27 PM

    The technology used in that nuclear power plant may well have been out of date, but Japan is by no means technologically backwards, and this guy is hardly jumping to conclusions.

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    Mute Silent Majority
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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:44 PM

    But he is basing his opinion largely on Japan’s geography which isn’t an issue in Ireland, so is hardly relevant to the debate here. The potential for disasters is the one downside to a very efficient energy source, so we have to weigh the risks against the potential benefits.

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    Mute Danny Rigg
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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:47 PM

    The risks aren’t the only major factor in it. There’s also the difficulty of disposing the nuclear waste

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    Mute Theo Walcott
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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:49 PM

    Renewable energy is the way to go.
    Not an energy which is potentially very very dangerous because of its production and waste process!

    It’s a clear cut decision really.

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    Mute Killian C. O'Hara
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    Sep 11th 2014, 7:15 PM

    It doesn’t really matter what he’s basing his argument on. The conclusion is the same. If there is an accident. We’re goosed.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 7:37 PM

    Wrong Killian.There have been 32 Nuclear power accidents in history. 2 of these have resulted in more than 34 deaths. 26 have resulted in 10 or fewer deaths. Nuclear power is very safe when plants are run in an efficient and professional manner.

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    Mute Jay Finn
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    Sep 11th 2014, 9:39 PM

    And such was the outcome of one of the disasters that an area of the planet (Chernobyl) is now completely uninhabitable for hundreds of years.

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    Mute Danny Rigg
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    Sep 11th 2014, 9:40 PM

    If 10 people are killed by the same person it’s still considered a massacre. There’s been plenty of school shootings in the US with close to 10 victims but we don’t view them any differently to one that has 36. Why should it be any different with nuclear incidents? Just look at the immediate and lasting effects of Chernobyl, Fukushima and Hiroshima/Nagasaki. It’s simply not acceptable

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    Mute Pól Mag Shamhrain
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    Sep 11th 2014, 10:39 PM

    Danny what are you on about, are you high on something? I see you on here now and then b.s’n to everyone about nonsense. Justifying your nonsense with nonsense. This is about nuclear energy not about the gun lobby in America. Nuclear disasters have nothing to do with this article… If you are going to use an example use a decent one..

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    Mute Danny Rigg
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    Sep 12th 2014, 11:54 AM

    Hey Pol, I keep seeing you on here trolling. But it isn’t very good, it’s quite a pathetic attempt. At least you’re not calling me Justin Bieber this time

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    Mute Pól Mag Shamhrain
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    Sep 13th 2014, 12:45 AM

    Danny I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. You shouldn’t get so hurt when people point out the obvious to you.

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    Mute Phillip Hogan
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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:15 PM

    Yes, let’s consign nuclear energy to the history books. While we are at it, let’s also consign electricity and the internet to the history books. Let’s just reverse technological advancement altogether. The fact is that we cannot rely totally on one type of energy, whether it be fossil fuels, renewables, nuclear. To maximise our potential, we need an approach that efficiently uses every energy source available to us. Nuclear technology is not going anywhere. All the clueless hippies better deal with it.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:22 PM

    My great grandad worked as an engineer in the UK’s first nuclear power plant. He ended up opposing nuclear power by the end of his career. Was he a clueless hippy?

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:24 PM

    “All the clueless hippies better deal with it.”

    Is the Japanese PM a clueless hippy? You know, you’re not winning any debates with ad hominem rhetoric. There is a genuine concern for the safety of nuclear power. In most circumstances, it is wholly safe. But when it goes wrong, it goes catastrophically wrong.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:31 PM

    In general terms and in an Irish context, it is mostly uneducated hippies who oppose nuclear technology. Almost everyone I have discussed the topic with during my time in third level education has been in favour of it to different degrees.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:37 PM

    Both my parents also oppose nuclear power. They’re both highly respected academics with PhDs. Are they also uneducated hippies? You may think people who oppose nuclear power are uneducated hippies, but often they’re highly educated people with regular jobs. The ones who were hippies back in the 1960s and 1970s are now, generally, highly successful in their careers and they most likely still oppose nuclear power. Calling them uneducated hippies is both pathetic and uneducated.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:45 PM

    You’re full of it, Danny. If your parents were actually that educated, they would use logic and reason. Logic dictates that we should harness nuclear energy. It is what the future will be built on, an inevitable step in technological evolution, but of course, with every make technological innovation, there are those scared few who are frightened by progress. If it is good enough to for stars to use, it is good enough for us

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:51 PM

    Well said.

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    Mute Danny Rigg
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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:51 PM

    Why is it then that not every country in the world uses or wants to use nuclear power? Why are there huge advances being made in green energy (solar, tidal, wind etc)? Why is hydroelectric power still widespread and constantly being developed? Why are people still reflects not to let go of fossil fuels? Why are there experts on this are and people who made careers in the nuclear industry who oppose nuclear power? You just keep calling these people uneducated clueless hippies simply because they don’t agree with you. That’s pathetic, it isn’t even an argument. There is too much risk associated with nuclear power. Incidents may be rare, but when they do happen they’re completely disastrous. There is a reason why nuclear weapons are so feared.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 7:00 PM

    Could you be more condescending philip! Oh and btw I have a science degree and masters and I oppose nuclear power for many reasons. Am I also an uneducated hippy?

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    Sep 11th 2014, 7:06 PM

    Nu-cular it’s pronounced Nu-cular…

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    Sep 11th 2014, 7:27 PM

    @ Grace Curren .doesn’t make you a hippy, but doesn’t necessarily make you right either!

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    Sep 11th 2014, 9:37 PM

    I have l PhD and I am in favour of exploring nuclear energy as an alternative to finite fossil fuels. Let’s have some real debate in its country.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 9:41 PM

    There definitely needs to be a proper debate on the issue, but calling people clueless uneducated hippies isn’t part of that

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    Sep 11th 2014, 9:57 PM

    I never called anyone a clueless uneducated hippy.

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    Sep 12th 2014, 12:00 PM

    I never said you did, Mike

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    Mute A Green Road Project
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    Dec 23rd 2014, 3:36 PM

    Sacrifice Zones, Nuclear Power and the Sacrificial Victims System Is Spreading Globally As Part Of Predatory Capitalism
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/09/sacrifice-zones-nuclear-power-and.html

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    Sep 11th 2014, 7:06 PM

    More people are killed in coal mining accidents in China alone every average year than have been killed in every nuclear power plant accident in history. 100,000 people have been killed in coal mining accidents in the USA since 1907. The Shimintan Dam (hydroelectric) collapse in 1975 killed 171,000. But yeah sure nuclear power is bad, everything else is good.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:18 PM

    We take electricity produced from the UK. Why not with a consortium on developing a thorium reactor.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:42 PM

    Not every country is stupid enough to build nukes on a fault line.

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    Mute Mike O Neill
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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:16 PM

    That plant was built on a fault line. Making sweeping statements based on that disaster is erroneous. The clean up has left a lot to be desired though.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:18 PM

    …Whose fault was it.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:23 PM

    The CIA on instruction from Israel? Though I’m not discounting the reptilian illuminati just yet.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:24 PM

    He quite clearly made a point about there being nowhere safe in japan to build a nuclear power plant, seeing as it’s all along/near a fault line, and that, presumably based on where fault lines and areas prone to natural disasters, there are few places in the world that are safe to build a nuclear power plant.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:32 PM

    Japan is on the Pacific Ring of Fire, prone to seismic activity. To say there is pretty much nowhere on the entire planet safe is ridiculous. The UK doesn’t have to worry about that risk. Of course their dumb foreign policy means they’re open to terrorist attack.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:42 PM

    All nuclear power-plants are vulnerable to the environment because they depend on water. They are particularly vulnerable to drought because they suck up fresh water. Example in 2009, France had to basically shut down most of its nuclear plants.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:42 PM

    My dad had to experience an earthquake a few years ago that made a guy’s entire chimney collapse into the house. That was in Sheffield. The UK and Ireland have a long history of earthquakes averaging between magnitude 3 and magnitude 5.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:44 PM

    There’s multiple minor/medium fault lines under the UK

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    Mute Killian C. O'Hara
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    Sep 11th 2014, 7:22 PM

    Mike, the geography and seismology are not the point. If anything happens to the reactor the result is no different, perhaps only in scale depending on the event.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 11:51 PM

    Actually you will find Danny that the earthquakes here range between 1.5 and 4.5. And almost half are either around 2 or below. Look up the history.To bring you back from your amateur dramatics Ireland the UK have one fault line called the Iapetus Suture and in this country the Shannon River by and large follows it. It’s closed shut and has been closed for millions of years and is virtually no threat to us at all. We are not the pacific region. Countries in that region are at risk because of constant shifts in the earth’s plates something of which again does not happen at our end of the world very often. One of the reasons why that man’s chimney fell over was perhaps because of shoddy construction like bad foundations, poor mortar mixtures or even a badly supported primary structure mixed with a light tremor.

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    Sep 12th 2014, 11:59 AM

    Pol, I did look at the history of seismic activity in this area. That’s how I got those figures in the first place. There are multiple fault lines under the UK and Ireland, mostly minor, some medium. At no point did I say that this is the pacific region. I mentioned the chimney as an example, and it wasn’t shoddy building. There are other examples from that incident and others. It isn’t just seismic activity that affects the UK. This area is prone to major storms and flooding, and the occasional land slide that has been known to cause significant damage. The risk just isn’t worth it. If something did happen, it would be disastrous

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    Sep 13th 2014, 12:42 AM

    Fair enough but there is only one medium one. Not some. One. A lot of the problems that occur that you are talking about are in areas of flooding. Things can be done to rectify flooding just look at the Netherlands. The thing you seem to be forgetting is councils have area plans which show where flooding is most likely to occur and the depth based on historical precedents. You are not going to build a plant in a place of seasonal flooding no more than you would build a house in a hollow.

    I didn’t say it was a shoddy building. A house can be poorly constructed and look nice and expensive when built. But over a period of time parts can fail as a result of poor techniques in the construction of it. Such as subsidence as an example. It could have been ready to go for years and a tremor hit and bang there it went.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:40 PM

    How about the government copy what is being done with Great Island power plant in Wexford , there must be a lot of money in it if they are spending all that down there as well as building some biodigesters and those underwater tidal energy yokes that that company from Louth make

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:34 PM

    Building a nuclear power-plant is the wet dream of investors everywhere, free money from the state, can hide where its spent in the huge complicated building process. The same “risk-takers” would never build one with their own money.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 9:45 PM

    Thorium Nuclear Reactors … way to go NOT Uranium Nuclear Reactors.
    300 yrs waste management for Thorium NOT 10,000 yrs.
    No external power source needed for Thorium Reactors Control unlike the daft design of Chernobyl and Fukushima which depended on standby engines to produce electricity to control the reactors …. daft designs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHs2Ugxo7-8

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    Sep 11th 2014, 9:14 PM

    Why not build a tesla coil. They work and its free.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:17 PM

    He’s right.

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    Sep 11th 2014, 6:54 PM

    The numbers say so? Or is there a different Frank logic at work?

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    Sep 11th 2014, 9:44 PM

    Funny you mention the numbers..

    When you reduce the date you get a 9.

    11th 3rd 2011 two 11′s in the date.

    Jim Stone @freelance.com has some good credible theories on Japan’s 9/11 (literally).

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    Sep 11th 2014, 10:46 PM

    Regardless of this mans views which he is entitled nuclear energy is the safest energy on the planet. Its expensive but it still the safest. Japanese nuclear power stations are not the best example to use with earthquake potential in that area. France is full of nuclear power stations & I never hear about safety concerns. You can tell me they’re not viable for economic reasons but not safety reasons. If people are so concerned about harmful radiation I suggest you stop flying because that would expose you to a lot more harmful radiation than living next to a nuclear power plant. Too much emotion & fear on this matter altogether.

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    Sep 12th 2014, 12:02 PM

    How on earth is nuclear energy safer than solar, wind, hydroelectric, and tidal energy? France had to shut down most of it’s power plants recently for a certain period of time because of a water shortage that would have had disastrous consequences otherwise.

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    Dec 23rd 2014, 3:30 PM

    Dr. Caldicott MD; Radioactive Thorium Dangers, Half Life, Health Hazards; via A Green Road
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/12/dr-calidocott-md-radioactive-thorium.html

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    Sep 12th 2014, 10:09 AM

    Considering we Irish are so clever, why can we not come up with something new and for once stop copying other nations.
    We are One with our mother Earth and still we keep on polluting and destroying Her and ourselves along with it.

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