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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:25 AM

    Isreal left Gaza in 2005 all the settlers were moved out….Gaza was going to be the Singapore of the middle East….Instead all the money from EU and Gulf countries is spend by HAMAS on digging tunnels and rockers from Iran to attach Isreal……Their brother Arabs Egypt has cut off all contact closed the border crossings HAMAS are closely linked to Muslim brotherhood……The Catholic charity Troicre denounces the sea and land blockage of Gaza…..However the sea blockage is the stop rockers coming in from Iran….If Isreal lifted the land blockage hundreds of suicide bombers would attach Isreali towns and cities on their way to paradice…

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:27 AM

    @John003: hahahaha. Tommy Tiernan couldn’t do better

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:35 AM

    @John003: the state of Israel was created by banishing the Palestinians using the terrorist Irgun and stern gangs.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 10:11 AM

    @Dave Hogan: Some banishing in 1948….60000 now in Isreal 1.5 million Muslim Arabs….In 1948 all the Arab countries attached Isreal they lost.the war …They is how Isreal was established….

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    Jun 17th 2017, 10:40 AM

    @John003: ATTACK!!!

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:47 PM

    @John003: Jordan is Arab Palestine since 1948.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 1:51 PM

    @John003: For a Zionist you’d think you’d be able to spell Israel. Also, no rockers have come over from Iran since Iron Maiden played the 3 Arena in Gaza in 1985.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:19 AM

    Isn’t that strange Israel has blockaded Gaza but Egypt has closed the crossings. To my mind both Israel and Egypt have blockaded Gaza. Also Gaza was part of Egypt before being part of Israel. Maybe Israel should return it to Egypt. The Egyptians never had any respect for the Palestinian people. Israel protects itself. Hamas have made a “hames” of their situation. Like ISIS, Hamas has enslaved its own people. Two million people indoctrinated and docile to the will of extremists.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:26 AM

    @Micheal S. O’ Ceilleachair: Jesus that is the most phucked up read of the gaza debacle I’ve ever read. Are you another of the Christian fanatics that believe the Israelis are the chosen people?

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:44 AM

    @vNblxOSQ: christians don’t believe that. In fact they believe that they superseeded jews ad the chosen people.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:40 AM

    Authors of their own misfortune.

    Zero sympathy.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:49 AM

    @Each Way Thief: the same argument could be used on the old, sick, homeless and other groups left behind in our rich country

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    Jun 17th 2017, 11:21 AM

    @Dave Hogan: How are the elderly responsible for ageing?

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    Jun 17th 2017, 11:50 AM

    @Lorem Ipsum: does everything have to be broken down and explained simply to twits like yourself.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:57 PM

    @Dave Hogan: are you equating our old and sick anf homeless with terrorists?

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    Jun 17th 2017, 1:32 PM

    @Squarepeg01: Its easier than holding Hamas to account. They govern Gaza, they’ve funnelled billions in cash to their pointless wars and enriching themselves. Gaza receives the most per capita foreign aid in the world. I’ll never understand why the so called pro-palestinians here don’t appear bothered by the abject failure of Hamas to provide for their own, the record on human rights, civil liberties, etc etc. Still, theres no real angle of attack on Israel here so the outrage will be muted. Palestinian lives only matter when Israel can be blamed.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:38 AM

    Gaza , Cuba, North Korea, Iraq

    All sanctions do is punish the poor.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:35 AM

    Punished for choosing democracy.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:37 AM

    @Jamie McCormack: When was the last election in Gaza?

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:39 AM

    @Honeybadger197: It’s hardly a functioning society.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:46 AM

    @Jamie McCormack: Yet Hamas has found the will to ban opposition parties, beat and kill dissenters and you dont seemed bothered.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:51 AM

    @Jamie McCormack:

    You can thank Hamas and the PA for that.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 7:27 PM

    @Rowe: The people of Gaza, Christian and Muslim alike, would vote for Hamas tomorrow.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:18 AM

    “Hamas and other militant groups have fought 3 wars with Israel..” From memory Israel just bombed the bejeesus outta the palestinans. Hitting hospitals. Killing civilians indiscriminately. Hardly call it a war

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:37 AM

    @John O’Leary:

    The Hamas charter or Covenant plods along these lines…

    The charter states that “our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious” and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel. It emphasizes the importance of jihad, stating in article, “There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

    Now replace Israel with Ireland.

    Also just yesterday a female Israeli police officer was murdered by Palestinian terrorists claiming to represent Islamic State, though Hamas, another Islamic terrorist group deny this claiming it was them. So basically terrorists disputing who commited the evil deed…http://in.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-idINKBN19805W

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    Jun 17th 2017, 10:13 AM

    @Rowe: I don’t know about that now Mr. Rowe. 100 years of genocide, mass evictions and sanctions has driven the people to retaliate. It has nothing to do with extremist or jihadist religious beliefs. Its a share of the spoils. Material goods. Land. Civil rights. Zionists moved in there at the start of the 20th century and for one hundred years, stole the land, slaughtered at will and branded you an extremist if you fought back. Its still going on today. And lets be honest about it. The world turned a blind eye because of what hitler did.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 10:29 AM

    @John O’Leary:

    The Genocide argument falls flat on its arse, the population of Gaza has grown year on year, do you not understand what genoicide means?
    Jews have been in the Levant for over 3000 and have lived there under various empires and at no time in history has there been an independent State of Palestine, there has been a Roman Provence of Palestina but Jews live there.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 11:20 AM

    @Rowe: If I went in and killed the lad next door and told his kids to f___ off up to Offaly and to stay there. Would they hate me because of my western ideologies? or would they hate me cause i killed their auld lad and sent them to Offaly? Its disgusting what’s been going on out there. Where were the peace keepers? Why didn’t they step in and put a to stop Israel’s murderous march? Nobody is born hateful.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 11:23 AM

    @John O’Leary: You’re calling for a UN invasion of Israel/Palestine?

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    Jun 17th 2017, 11:33 AM

    @John O’Leary:

    True, nobody is born hateful, so again refer you to the Hamas Charter or any the Islamic terrorists groups Charter regarding Jews, Christians or any non Muslim..it’s called the Koran.
    Murderous march? As far as I am aware Israel is surrounded on all sides bar the Med by countries that wish it did not exist or wish to be wiped of the face of the Earth, that’s called genocide and ethnic cleansing.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 11:34 AM

    @Rowe:
    *years

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    Jun 17th 2017, 1:01 PM

    @Rowe: these Palestinian apologists won’t address any of the points you raise. They just fall back on sanctimony.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 1:01 PM

    @Rowe: Decisions should never be based on fear of another people. The Conflict in the middle east should be analysed on what has actually happened out there. And what has happened is this. A state was set up in 1948 to accommodate one group of people. Shed loads of people from another group were murdered and terrorized to achieve this. Land was given to group and civil rights were denied to the another. Forget about all this horse shite about the Bible, the Koran and what ever book Jewish people read. They’re just a front used to connect people in their struggle to achieve a common, material goal.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 1:07 PM

    @John O’Leary: what are you talking about? 20% of Israel’s population is Arab and most of those are Muslim. Why don’t you ask them if they would rather be part of a Palestinian state? They can and do become judges on the Supreme Court, they can and do serve in the IDF, they can and do get elected to the Knesset. Think Jews have similar rights in most other ME countries?

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    Jun 17th 2017, 1:18 PM

    @John O’Leary:

    But the Bible, Koran and Torah are relevant in this case, just because you think it is not doesn’t make it so, two of these major religions that billions follow rose in this very area, and you ignorance of not knowing the name of the book the Jews look to shows your blinkered Western view. Five times since 48 the PA were offered peace by Israel and a country to call their own and 5 times the PA rejected it, can you explain? To me it seems the PA care more for the destruction of Israel than the notion of an independent Palestine of their own.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76NytvQAIs0

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    Jun 17th 2017, 1:27 PM

    @Rowe: What would you propose?

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    Jun 17th 2017, 1:36 PM

    @John O’Leary: Can i propose you address the points made? You haven’t managed it yet.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 1:51 PM

    @John O’Leary: the 2-state solution is dead. The last 20 or so years have shown that. RIP. But Caroline Glick has exposed the myth of the Palestinians outbreeding the Jews and has put forward a 1 state solution as an alternative, where Israel just annexes Judea and Samaria aka the West Bank. If the political climate is right, it would not surprise me if they tried it. Then everyone in greater Israel would have the same freedoms and rights that current citizens enjoy. The security situation would be a nightmare though.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 2:08 PM

    @John O’Leary:

    I’m afraid with terrorist orgs Hamas and Fatah involved, true peace has no hope.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 2:17 PM

    @Squarepeg01: I’d agree in that a one state solution is probably the only way forward but way to much has happened to ask one nation to stand under the flag of the other. An entirely new state. New name-New Flag-No Muslims-No Jews. Do away with religious practice altogether and move forward.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 2:38 PM

    @Squarepeg01:

    Spot on.
    Here is the highest ranking Muslim in the IDF.

    https://davidsoakell.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/cv1rvtiw8aafkxp.jpg?w=600&h=418

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    Jun 17th 2017, 11:01 AM

    A lot of morons on here seemingly supporting Hamas because it’s the ‘cool’ thing to do.
    You don’t have to choose between Israel and Hamas – you can be critical of both.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 3:13 PM

    @Avina Laaf: Firstly: Its more like supporting the underdog. If a group of guys are beating up one person do you choose no side? Most would take the side of the individual. It is the same situation here.

    Secondly: Hamas is a product of over 50 years of opression by Israel. It is comparable to the IRA (back in 1916, not the 90s). They fought for independence and against opression by a much larger and more powerful nation. It may not be the right footsteps to follow, but you can see where it comes from.
    I guess we Irish feel a deeper connection to their struggle than most.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 3:19 PM

    @Andy K:
    Identifying with oppressed Palestinians is one thing – identifying with Hamas is another thing altogether.
    Forget your romantic notions, the reality is that Hamas have also played a huge part in oppressing ordinary Palestinians.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 3:35 PM

    @Avina Laaf: So what would you do if your family was bombed by Israel, and the medical supplies required to save them was not available thanks to the embargo by Israel?

    Would you go back to your day job?

    What if you lived in a place for generations and then Israel came by and forced you out of your home so that they can build a settlement there?

    Would you happily live in a tent for years to come?

    Extremists dont jump out of holes of the ground, they require opression and continuous violence applied to them and their community in order to exist. You get the odd madman everywhere but people dont listen to them unless their lives have been literally destroyed by others.

    Bombing them again will only result in greater support for their cause. And condemning them without placing blame on the people that made it possible for them to exist is about as ignorant as it gets.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 3:56 PM

    @Andy K: Have you an opinion on how they treat their own people?

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:03 PM

    @Andy K:
    You seem to be completely ignorant about how Hamas operate, and how they treat fellow Palestinians. Potential political rivals get thrown from rooftops (as do homosexuals), they refuse i give Palestinian people the opportunity for self-determination by holding elections, and Hamas officials live in luxury while ordinary Palestinians starve.
    Criticize Israel by all means, but don’t be one of the morons I mentioned by thinking that if you oppose Israel (which you clearly do) it means you have to support Hamas.
    Hamas are Islamic State Light.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 5:05 PM

    Funny how the Gaza described above sounds nothing like the Gaza shown in the Hamas promotional video https://youtu.be/zeRlfcLAUII

    The only reason electricity is being cut is because of a power struggle between the PA and Hamas with the PA refusing to pay, this one can’t be blamed on Israel though the usual suspects will try http://www.timesofisrael.com/energy-minister-refuses-to-cut-further-electricity-to-gaza/

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:11 AM

    What a player though

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:15 PM

    “Hamas – labelled a terrorist organisation by Israel, the United States and the European Union.” … but not by the journal? Hamas are a disgusting terrorist organisation that has used the civilians of gaza as human shields.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 3:21 PM

    @Keith Fay: And Israel built a gigantic wall around their land so that they may not get medical aid to the people, they stop shipments of construction materials to rebuild bombed buildings and claim it was a shipment of weapons for Hamas, they limit food and to top it off, blow up schools, hospitals and designated UN safe places.

    Care to explain why any of that is justified?

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    Jun 17th 2017, 5:30 PM

    @Andy K: I remember the news in the 80s. Every second week “another bus bomb in tel aviv” all the time. They built that wall and those bombs stopped. They also share an 18km border with egypt that is never criticised. Anyway, hamas spend all their money on concrete for tunnels. I have witnessed truck after truck full of concrete enter gaza to be used for tunnels. Hamas are a disgusting shower of inhumans that throw lgbt people off tall buildings and prevent civilians leaving when there are attacks.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 5:31 PM

    @Andy K: seriously how can you support hamas? You people are so messed up. Even the civilians in gaza dont support them but they are under their rule.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 10:20 PM

    @Andy K:

    Hamas store their rockets in said schools and hospitals like true cowards, the wall was built to prevent suicide

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    Jun 17th 2017, 10:23 PM

    ….. attacks by vehicles and high enough to prevent the bullets of snipers.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:06 AM

    That’s a civil war waiting to happen.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 10:54 AM

    @Honeybadger197:
    It already happened a few short years ago – it was just limited by lack of weaponry.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 11:43 AM

    A sad and desperate situation for the ordinary people of Gaza. Islamist such as Hamas, Palestestain Islamic Jihad has brought terrible death and destruction most notably through suicide bombings and rocket attacks. They run Gaza with an iron and unforgiving fist. They have hounded out and killed their political opposition Fatah, and teach hatred and intolerance of Jews, Women and LGBT. A once thriving place which is now another hell-hole ruined by extremists.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 3:23 PM

    @David Meehan: Technically it was ruined by the opression of Israel which created the extremists in the first place.

    Sadly not many people see the larger picture….

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    Jun 19th 2017, 1:19 PM

    @Andy K: Technically you’re talking horse crap.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 5:04 PM

    Wow what a disgrace of an article, full of misinformation. Now maybe I’m wrong but as far as I’m aware Hamas was somewhat democratically elected by the people in Gaza according to multiple international watchdogs. Secondly as far as I’m aware Hamas was removed from the the terrorist list, then formed a unity government with the PA. Also as far as I’m aware, a pre condition to peace talks imposed by Israel was that they would not have talks or negotiate with Hamas as they were a “terrorist organization”. Having been removed from the terrorist list Israel still would not negotiate. Now I could be and am open to being wrong if someone would care to clarify.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 6:33 PM

    @Gazza Lazza: Yes, 2006 was the last election in Gaza. They’ve outlawed political parties and hammered dissent from their own people since. Yes, they formed a unity government with the Palestinian Authority (2006) but promptly started murdering Fatah members to oust them completely from Gaza (shootings and thrown off buildings). Hamas are still on the terror list. The EU Court only issued a non binding opinion – they are on the list as of January of this year.

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