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Updated 10.55pm
ENVIRONMENT MINISTER ALAN Kelly has said households on long-term boil water notices could be in line for a bigger discount when water charges kick next month.
In his first speech of the new Dáil session last night, Kelly referred to proposals by the Commission for Energy Regulation (CER), which would give some households with undrinkable water a full discount on the “water supply” part of their bill.
If confirmed when the water charges plan is published shortly, as such “any customers that have a Boil Water Notice or a Drinking Water Notice three months prior to the commencement of water charges on 1st October 2014, will not pay for their water supply.”
From 1 October, households will be billed for two separate services: water supply – effectively drinking water – and waste water disposal – effectively, toilets and showers.
Significantly, the minister noted that:
The CER proposals are more favourable to the customer than the proposals submitted by the Irish Water, who had sought that the 100% discount should only apply where the period involved is over six months.
Under both the CER and Irish Water proposals, affected households would not be eligible for any discount on waste water disposal.
Medical conditions
Separately, the government is expected to give a final decision next week on water allowances for people with specific medical conditions.
Irish Water spokesperson Elizabeth Arnett said this morning: “We’re asking people to say if they believe they are eligible.”
It is understood that process amounts to individuals “ticking a box” on an application, to which Irish Water would respond.
Speaking on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland today, Arnett said no decision had been made yet as to whether Irish Water would be “checking the veracity” of medical claims, but that they would await the results of consultations by the Departments of Health and Environment.
Where a medical condition is accepted as requiring higher than usual water consumption, Arnett said affected households would be capped at the assessed charge – meaning they will pay no more than the average bill for a household of that size.
PPS numbers
The spokesperson also defended Irish Water’s decision to request PPS numbers from customers, saying it was designed to ensure households received the allowances they were entitled to.
Customers are eligible for a €100 allowance per child, and €150 per household, and Irish Water are authorised under the legislation to ask for PPS numbers, Arnett added.
There have been widespread privacy concerns over the request, but the Taoiseach last night parried questions on the subject, saying that Irish Water would answer all such questions when its “full communication system” had been established.
First published 9.11am
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Our water is undrinkable in South Kildare. .. unsuitability for purpose equals no payment for service…..
But, but,.. you’re getting an awesome discount on this pisswater you speak of! You lucky b*stards!
You can use it to kill the weeds out the back garden.
Brian you only drink 10% of the water. Most is flushed down the toilet
Brian Mcgee how do you how much water he drinks?
Norman that’s just a stupid comment. Take a time out
Irrelevant. All of the water entering his home is undrinkable, whether 10% or 100% would ordinarily be used for that purpose.
It’s completely relevant. Because if he buys bottled water he still uses the mains for flushing the toilet etc.
Brian no more stupid than yours tbh.
Or are you using Irish water figures that even the ERSI has queried?
Norman it’s acceptable data. A flush uses 10 litres. 3 flushes a day is 30 litres, would he drink more than 3 litres a day.?
wrong brian, a correctly set cistern on a household toilet holds a flush capacity of 6 liters maximum per flush, that is for a’long ‘or full flush, a short or ‘eco’ flush will use approx 2 ltrs.
Eric mist cisterns are the old ones and are not the ones you are talking about
My toilet at home is set up to use 5 litres, there is also dual flush options available.Accepable data to whom? Irish Water has been asked to explain how they arrived at the reduced children’s allowance.Still no answer forthcoming.
But Brian, as you have been told:-)..it’s only if a ‘boil’ notice has been issued! Any 3rd party test on your water which in Ireland will generally turn your water pink because of lack ‘excessive chemical additive’ legislation will still not meet the exacting substandard to which IW deem it to be unpotable. IW know that if we take the issue of quality standard to a higher power, that is, after going to High Court, they will lose. Our quality standard of public water is crap. Everybody knows it but will do nothing about it and will just pay, pay and double pay!!
The Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights does not seem to oppose the privatisation of water per se, or that it be paid for, provided it remains affordable:
Any payment for water services has to be based on the principle of equity, ensuring that these services, whether privately or publicly provided, are affordable for all, including socially disadvantaged groups. Equity demands that poorer households should not be disproportionately burdened with water expenses as compared to richer households.
any 1 who signs a contract with irish water is giving up there fundamental constitutional right as a irish citizen
that is copied from from Human Rights in Ireland /The Right to Water and Privatisation in Ireland
if your water is undrinkable , they should be paying you for the inconvenience, by returning that percentage of your incoming taxs that goes to water
So give Irish Water the PPS numbers of everyone in your house, presumably their names and ages, and eventually Irish Water will answer questions on the matter
But before I give this information which is an identity thief’s wet dream, why to Irish Water think it will be necessary to store this sensitive information about me and my children, abroad. Specifically, outside the European Economic Area?
Also from that page you linked to…
“Irish Water may disclose the Customer’s data to third parties in the event that it sells or buys any business or assets, in which case it may disclose Customer data to the prospective seller or buyer or such business or assets; if Irish Water or substantially all of its assets are acquired by a third party, in which case Customer data held by it about its Customer will be one of the transferred assets”
In other words, the government are lying through their teeth when they say Irish Water will not be sold. The cover for them to sell Irish Water and/or transfer your PPS number and private data to whatever entity buys Irish Water is written into their data protection notice. If you fill in the form and return it you are agreeing to this.
‘NO CONTRACT – NO CONSENT’ on your envelope and return to sender. The more people refuse to sign up, the less likely it is that our water will be sold off.
‘NO CONTRACT – NO CONSENT’ – That won’t work. You have obligations to the State as a Citizen, and these obligations include obeying all statute laws regardless of how these laws deplete your human rights. Now if you filled out an affidavit and declared yourself no longer a citizen, and that these Citizen obligations no longer applied to you, the State would be obliged to prove different (assuming you filled the correct paperwork), but let’s face it – Very few people will do this.
“You have obligations to the State as a Citizen, and these obligations include obeying all statute laws regardless of how these laws deplete your human rights.”
Can you show me the statute or law which states I am obliged to sign a contract with a private company?
Do Facebook have shares in Irish Water?
@Were Jammin: Read the Constitution and look for the little section in each Amendment where is mentions “in accordance with law”, or something similar. You also need to research how Government power works in terms of Trust Law and the different roles in the Trust triangle. This is how the government applies “assumed” contracts on you.
Again, show me the statute or law which states I am obliged to sign a contract with a private company.
@Were Jammin: Did you pay your TV license this year? Do you have a written contract for you Irish TV service contract? If a third party company was subcontracted in collecting the TV license fees, would you decide to not pay the fee? Irish Water are a Government agent, who are given the duties of running the State’s water services, and collecting the fees. They are acting on behalf of the government, with the might of the Irish State behind them. In court, the onus will be on you to prove you’re not obliged by government service fees. Ridiculous, I know, but true in as far as I understand it.
So, we can take it that you can’t show me the statute or law which states I am obliged to sign a contract with a private company.
Thought so.
You see, spouting paragraph after paragraph of guff doesn’t change the basic fact that you cannot back up your original assertion. This isn’t RTE and you’re not a government minister. If you make a statement you can’t back up you will be called on it.
they also state your information will not be secure. i think the pps number is needed so they can get the money of you by going into your wages or social welfare, that is of course if you sign the contract to pay, that is when it becomes a legal obligation. i thought property tax would cover the charge of this public service. enda Kenny says this is to save water yet if you do not use so much you will be charged extra money per unit. esb also do this they ask you to go green save energy when you do you are penalised. this is a con but people are happy to go with it. if people had the courage to boycott these companies they would be better of.
My PPS number is private. Not available to anyone except me and whom I care to share it with.
You want my wife’s PPS number? Ask my wife.
You want my childs PPS number? Ask my child.
No deal.
That’s grand but if you want your free allowance you need to give it.
Free allowances are only for people who intend to pay, if no one pays the company folds
It’s not fully private. By law, lot’s of state agencies have access it. They issued it to you in the first place!
Exactly Conor. Does a guardian have the right to provide their offsprings PPS ?. I think not.
Reg that’s correct but a semi state company has no right of access to a PPS number hence the subtle blackmail of a free allowance to get the number.
Not correct Norman. By law Irish Water have been added to the list of state agencies that can request your PPS number. It’s not unique, old age pensioners would have to supply their PPS numbers to phone and electrictity providers to avail of any alloances available to them.
“Request” no right of automatic access.
They request your PPS number to give you your free allowance, it is your choice not to provide your pps number, but then you will not get your free allowance. Its a simple choice.
well iw can use the law to get it. by your reckoning lots of agencies have it.so if you are signing up for the contract with iw you can ask iw to ask the state or another agency for it. i don’t think so but if you give it yourself you give them full permission to do as they please with it. that is the law.
And what are they going to do with you PPS number Noreen? Confiscate your children and sell them to the creme egg factory? (they need small children to put the cream in cream eggs don’t you know!)
They are requesting your PPS number to validate your entitlement to the free water allowances. Good luck trying to open a bank account with you PPS number or trying to access someone elses bank account. (I was joking about the creme egg factory)
so if you don’t have children you don’t give your pps.
A sprat is well lost to catch a Salmon..
Correct,it seems to be working too.
a hook is well lost to catch a Salmon
Pop quiz hotshot!
If you go into centra or spar whatever and see a bottle of ballymc/river R water etc for sale. One is as it should be for €1 the other is a tainted brown liquid for 50c…
I personally think that there is going to be a Household Charge type standoff on paying these water charges.
This time it’s only a private company.
It would probably be no harm not paying it for a while just to see what leverage they have.
We are paying for our water already through taxation.
Harry no Revenue this time though.
Hopefully Harry. The problem is the country is so divided. One good organised heave would be super but as a nation we are more pub talkers etc. Sorry it’s the truth. We got soft throughout the 90′s and noughties. Now we are just bobbing along and really just being treated like mugs. The best we can hope for is that people have some balls and dont consent to the contract, cause some delays ie hassle until they have to make their next move. Hopefully this will get some momentum and rattle the government into thinking ‘maybe we have pushed them enough’
Until we do they will keep taking, I’m telling you. Sure, why wouldnt they.
“It would probably be no harm not paying it for a while just to see what leverage they have.”
A good suggestion I’ve heard for anyone a bit nervous about refusing to pay is the following:
Put the money to one side that they’re trying to extort out of you. In the highly unlikely event you’re brought to court, argue that you have no contract with them. If the judge is a government stooge, pay the outstanding amount. If the water charges collapse or the case is thrown out, like they have twice before, treat yourself to a holiday with the money you’ve put aside.
One small flaw in that argument, Capitaine. You’re not paying €1 or even 50c per litre to Irish Water.
Spot on Norman.
It will probably only surmount to a few snotty letters from a vacuous debt collections agent and another toothless media campaign.
@Neal
No flaw, brother! My point is…You wouldnt buy a lite of brown for any money, let alone half price if ya feels me.
They are dressing up an unfit product as ‘value’
So we get a discount on drinking water if we can’t drink the water from our taps? But if we’re not drinking water from our taps then we are not being charged because the tap remains off…
The government are absolutly shameless taxing people for having a wash and for having a pee.
The good lord has deemed it fit to give us plenty of rain and our government has deemed it fair to put a tax on it.
If Irish water/the Irish government/FG and Labour think that a family of 5 or 6 are going to pay 900 per year on water they can suck my balls.
It’s my red line and cue for civil disobedience and I don’t even have a family.
A ‘Discount’!!!!!!! On something you cant consume for health and safety reasons!!!! ???
“RETURN TO SENDER, NO CONTRACT, NO CONSENT”
Who in there right mind would send them back a contract with no prices on it and your pps number and there charging you for waste water that is not metered christ even there own web site tells u to wash your veg in a basin then put the water on your plants but they will charge you for the water twice. My form will be in the bin
Ps your free allowance is worth very little in money terms so they can stick that and there form up there a-se
By using mains water you are accepting a contract. It’s call implied and is legally acceptable just like using the toll bridge or putting petrol in your car.
That bullshit Brian I checked that with a top contract solicitor on Monday. She said its near to impossible to prove an implied contract by consuming water. The fecking nonsense on this thread.
Where you paying her? If not she probably just told you what you wanted to hear
Thats a half-truth. You are not accepting a contract by using the water. There is an implied contract, which is annulled by notifying Irish Water that you do not wish to enter into a contract with them. I have already done so, along with a 30 day notice to remove their meter, and will be returning their application pack with ‘no contract – no consent’ written on it, if they even bother to send one out.
Can’t see them removing the meter. They own the pipe and it’s not on private property.
Very Surprising Brian that you seem to know where everyones meter is installed. I was not aware that you were privy to the fact that all meters are on public land ?
Of course they are on public land. Think man. All water pipe access points are just outside the boundary of your property.
“Can’t see them removing the meter. They own the pipe and it’s not on private property.”
They don’t have to. Like 99% of houses the folio for my home extends over where the stopcock is placed. The stopcock is the property of the homeowner, thats why you need permission from the council to dig up the path outside your home, but not permission to access, repair or replace your stopcock.
Le many in my estate, the meter will be removed and returned to them once the 30 days notice passes.
James, as stated above they are outside the boundary
dont bin it pete , send it back to them unopened with no ‘consent no contract’ written across the envelope . by ‘binning’ or not returning it they ‘could ‘ construe this as you having accepted the forms and therefore their conditions for a contract.
they dont ‘own’ the pipe at all , they never paid for the infrastructure that was already in place , they only ‘own’ the meter itself .
Except Magee you can bye pass a toll using another road, use any other petrol supplier, but water on mains is a hard one to get an alternative to! Your examples are bullshit, and your stated fact is seriously misguided. You are wrong re implied contract in relation to a nations right to supply of water(when widely available).
I am almost sure I own to the middle of the road re my land boundaries, with public roads/paths using a Statute defined and time-established for-benefit-of-the-public good/necessity right-of-way? Granted, I can never ‘revoke’ the right of way usage, but my maps go out to road center and years back we as a nation grazed and had upkeep responsibilities for ‘our’ road sides which could not have had a basis in Adverse Possession surely? So do ye not own the land at front of driveway where most of these meters are positioned?
The afraid, uneducated and the just plain dumb will. This is what they are hoping for, keep educating your friends and family. together we can beat this.
believe me there is no shortage of fools out there. like the household charge complained while signing the contract.
@SolvableKnave. On our estate built in the 50′s the 4″ mains runs round the back of all property’s in a loop on the owners land. They probably will not install meters in our estate as they will require permission to come on our land. the stop cock in under my kitchen window.
I will send IW a letter requesting that they cut me off .. and then refuse them onto my land. they they can try and prove that I’m using their water. as the one 4″ pipe feeds around 12 houses, and they will have no access to any of the 12 houses and cannot cut the mains off. LOL
Enough is enough
NO
Irish Water is a private company so I won’t be giving them any information.
Yes it is a private company but it is not privately owned. It is owned by the state. There are two main types of company in Ireland, private and public. A private company does not mean it is privately owned and a public company does not mean it is owned by the state. Irish Water shares are owned by the state and cannot be publicly traded.
Reg I think you forgot to add “for now”. If you think for one second the main intention of setting this up as a private company isn’t to eventually sell it off to private investors then you have the blinkers on. And at that stage we can’t ask for the info we gave back.
Irish water has already prepared for transferring your data to whichever entity will purchase it i.e. it was set up with the intention of it being sold, despite what the government says.
It can’t be sold unless the law is changed which some future government may do Amy. I can’t see the network and infrastructure being sold off though, if there is any sale then it will probably be the retail/customer service business. This is what happened with Bord Gais recently.
“It can’t be sold unless the law is changed by a future government” like maybe an all night sitting that turned the debt sovereign. As soon as enough people sign up, irish water will be sold for a profit. Don’t be so naive
wise up reg ! they did the exact same thing in the uk 20 odd years ago, first the ‘invented’ regional water boards who could set their own ‘water rates’ and as soon a the infrastructure(paid for by the tax payer) was up dated and complete ,they brought out a share issue , a couple of years down the line and private companies like themes water were set up and bought out all the other share holders before re floating on the stock market but holding the majority of shares as a company , the exact same thing will happen here and the likes of enda, noonan and gilmore will be ‘invited’ onto the board ,ensuring them another big payday , thats the way corrupt politics works in this country ,these people are self first last and always !
I’ve given my opinion as to what I think might happen, you’ve given yours Eric. We’ll have to wait and see! Some of the privatisations in the UK where done at a time when the Tory govenment were privatising everything. The railway network was taken back into state ownership becuase they went to far. I think if Eircom was done again I thing the state would retain ownership of the infrastructure but that is water under the bridge now.
So what next for Bord Gais, bit by bit by bit. Oh where did it all go??
Severn Trent water (UK) already have a presence here. They will probably be one of the future buyers
Once it is established, the EU will step in an apply competition laws to it. Then it will be sold.
We already pay for water, average 700euro per home. 1.2 billion euro. 2% from VAT and 5% from car tax allocated for this inferior quality service. Sign nothing.
It will be difficult € wise but I’m going to look at sinking a well.
I’d rather do that and get the return after 10 years than give this shower of state cowboys a cent. The charges are relatively low now but they can be increased any time with no competition.
Otherwise, the swimming togs and junior hacksaw are coming out and I’m going to Tee off my inlet pipe and bypass the meter!
@DonJuan
The sinking of a well will cost you around 5000 Euro and then you will need a pump and distribution pipes. The water must then be analyses to ensure it is safe to drink and that should be carried out at least once a year into the future. Heavy metals in the water such as iron will have to be treated to remove them and many wells have serious odor problems from hydrogen sulphide which also has to be treated before the water enters the house.
You will probably have an annual bill of some five hundred Euro if everything goes well!
Many well water users will rubbish the analysis and water treatment element but Cryptospiridium can kill infants and the elderly.
Now Don Juan………will you still refuse to take water from Bord Uisce?
Richard it’s Uisce Eireann or Irish Water that have control of water here, who is Bord Uisce?
How’s the weather in Canada today or Isle of Man find it hard to keep up with where you live.
I know plenty of people with wells and they don’t have that sort of annual outlay!
Are you on the payroll!???!
How is waste water measured ?
It’s not. If you use the public water and sewage system then the unit cost for water above your allowance is about twice that if you the public water system but provide your own waste service (septic tank). As far as I know anyway.
Water into the house will be the same as the water out so theoretically should be the same quantity, unless your flushing ballygowan don’t the toilet!!
Reg On Irish water web site it says wash your veg in a basin then put that water on your plants in your garden. So it’s not waste water so why are they charging for it ??????
They’re charging for the waste service based on the consumption. Do you really expect them to measure the waste water for billing purposes? Seriously?
I love putting out my empty bins just to pay for the lifts.
Enda as usual saying nothing again. What a waste of space does he have any idea what the organisation his government set up is doing?
Of course he does. Sure isn’t he best mates with the c.e.o.
he’s setting himself up for a place on the board once he’s ‘finished’ pretending to be a politician , another big payday for this inept clown !
no he is a puppet
My water has no boil notice but I still wouldn’t drink it I have eyes and a nose
Same here. We’re not on a boil notice but I got my water tested myself and was told don’t drink it!
Not that I’m going to fill in any form but it sounds like you can say that you have all sorts of medical problems for free water and there Is no way they can check
I’ll piss in back garden.I’ll shower in gym .I’ll buy fresh clean water for my teeth….bunch of Muppets. Fg Labour and ff. F..off the lot of u
Wastewater is not metred, therefore the amount you pay is based on the number of people living in your home and the ‘national average’ of water used, determined by the company. So basically sure your water is ‘free’, but you could end up paying just as much as everyone else since the wastewater you are ‘responsible for’ is going to be a number pulled out of the air by Irish Water.
Water leaving your house in theory is the same quantity as water going in, so it is measured.
Worng. It can be harvested and used to water your garden wash your car power wash hour drive even use it to do building work
we dont have any ‘waste water’ going into the system, we have a septic tank(which we ALREADY pay a levy on and have to pay seperartly to have emptied and disposed off ) and a soak away system so no waste water going to any treatment plant or public sewer system , so how can they charge us for that?
Eric, simple they can’t.
just like the bankers only they pulled it out of their arse
A very valid point.
Only the incoming water has an allowance.!
They will catch the mugs who register to chase the allowance-on the way out to your sewage pipe,!
Now we are customers buying a product what about Fluoride? – I object to being force poisoned and then having to pay for it!
Whether you believe the extensive research that points to many health consequences of constant flouride intake in yhe body or not- the important thing is the consumers rights should not be abused and choice is of paramount importance!
Its not like we can choose which water supplier we use!
So I take it you don’t use the public water supply now then?
Its a joke. I am hardly ever at home. I take one shower and a few flushes a day. I have no plants nor cook a whole lot and in six months I have used 33,000 litres , the mind boggles.
They want you to pay something. Otherwise the whole exercise is pretty futile!!
He dose pay already
Patrick you pay Vat and Motor I assume, if so you’re already paying as confirmed by Simon Coveney. 1.2 billion raised last year for water provision through these taxes.
He does and will contiue to do so as at least half the cost of providing water will continue to be covered by general taxation (and borrowing) for the next few years anyway!
So you’re admitting that the bills from Irish water will double over the next few years reg.
Good man, first honest post I’ve read from you on the subject of Irish water.
Point out another post here where what I have said is not factually correct. Just beacuse you don’t like the answer does not mean it is not correct.
I live in the Meath area and the water is full of lime (hard water)
When I pour a glass of water it’s actually cloudy and I wouldn’t drink it
I invested in a water filtration system which cost me €1000 supplied and fitted and €200 a year on filters
I’m living here 10 years and I am on washing machine number 5 at the moment all machines have broke down due to hard water
Will Irish water resolve this problem for me or will I just get fobbed off in the traditional Irish fashion
I can’t wait to find out cause I’m not paying for lime scale water!!!!!
same here in tipperary larry, most days it looks like watery milk there so much lime in it , waste of time buying electric kettles ,they only last a month or so, and the ‘old fashioned’ whistling kettle had to be de-scaled every week (quick tip– empty out kettle and pour in 1/2 a bottle of lemon juice, swill around and leave overnight , empty out next morning ,quick rinse and its ready for use , no having to boil up 3 or 4 times before using, much safer, better and cheaper than using descaler powder or tablets) we use four ‘calgon’ type tablets with every washload , cant have a dishwasher as it would just furr up within a month or so , a few years ago i put in a filter system and it has helped but the cartridges only last 6 months (instead of 1 year) due to the amount of limescale present , we now buy water for drinking and never boil any food , we use a steamer instead , they wont be getting anymore out of me .
Likewise, we are on our second kettle in less than nine months since we moved to Offaly. First one literally blocked solid with lime even thought I descaled it several times.
Correct me if I’m wrong, at the moment if I have a sewage/ waste water problem on my property eg blocked up shore, I’ve to hire a private company to clear it , but if I’m paying a waste water charge, does that mean irish water are now responsible for any maintenance??
the regulator –oh hang on!!!!!
the above comment was intended for marydundee.
its so nice to see the state will only charge a small amount for dirty water , how kind ,we love you state
love the way the talk about discounts etc and still have given any indication on what a unit of water will cost. who is representing the people on this one to make sure we are not overcharged and all is fair?
What if you have guests staying? Do you need to inform Irish water that they will be using your water for a few days, and not their own, so the allowance can be transferred over!
Or just tell them the shower is broken, and whilst the toilet works, unfortunately there’s a charge to flush it, and oh you can settle up when you leave for all the water you drank!
Big brother!!
What if ones children stay with you every second week in a separation scenario? Which household gets the ‘allowance’? IW, an ill-conceived, semi-formed Irish mess! Even Edna knows that they are a political liability already!
The allowance wont be transferred… You’ll just have to save rain water for those guests
civil disobedience on a mass scale is one solution to the fraud that is irish water.
Sorry maybe i am missing something here.If something is undrinkable then why would you buy/purchase/pay to consume it.Its like going into a supermarket and been offered food you cannot eat as it is dangerouse to consume why would you buy it.And as for reducing the bill whats the point as your electricity/gas bill has increased as you have to boil the water to make it safe.only in ireland would politicians and an irish quango expect people to pay for undrinkable water………..
because the government knows it is dealing with a bunch of halfwits that will pay. so their using your pitiful need to be pleasing and obliging against you. no one has stood against anything they have done so far. ican’t see any other reason.
Water is a natural right under the constitution. End of.
The mind baffles! If you have shite water we’re just going to charge you half?! How about F off! I can honestly say I will never pay Irish water for unwanted services. If Enda wanted to screw us out of more money then simply tax it, don’t waste billions on creating a defunked money guzzling corporation!!!
Yeah right whatever …… Check this website out if you disagree with The Great Irish Water Swindle http://yourwater.me/ …..
If you’re going to have standard water charges across the country, the standardise the quality of water around the country.
Any payment for water services has to be based on the principle of equity, ensuring that these services, whether privately or publicly provided, are affordable for all, including socially disadvantaged groups. Equity demands that poorer households should not be disproportionately burdened with water expenses as compared to richer households.
this is in the Fundamental Rights under the Irish Constitution Human Rights in Ireland
irish water is a for profit private business and has to apply by the laws , if your water is undrinkable they cant charge you , if you dont have a contract they cant charge you
this is the law the irish goverment are breaking your constitutional rights are we in a dictatorship ????
Our tap water smells like you took a glass of water from a swimming pool, which would suggest it has chlorine in it!!! Google it and you will be shocked to read that people who drink water with chlorine in it have a 93% higher risk of getting cancer! Also fluoride another poison! !!
There’s a gathering in Dublin tomorrow to protest about water charges. Has that been advertised by O’Brians media empire?
Let’s be honest. The people who are getting worked up over being asked for their PPS are, mostly, not genuinely worried about privacy, they’re just rebelling against water charges.
You can back up your comment, I assume?
You do know that they’re going to use the PPS number to abduct your children and empty your bank account Neal ;-)
Reg. have you ever thought for just one minute instead of spouting out all that crap all day long. PPS numbers are very sought after, They can be used to claim SW and a whole heap of other things. once you had over that information it will be store by someone else. If the company gets sold off then this information will be transfered, you are now trusting various parties to look after your data. not just PPS numbers but your address, children and possibly bank account details.
Servers get hacked FACT. Information is money FACT . I do not trust a utility company to have that much level of detail about me. my name and address and that fact that I pay my bills on time should be suffice.
So everywhere gets a discount then?
Do people actually get up in the morning and get handed a sheet of paper with all the appropriate answers on matters relating to Irish Water .. Oh “well”!
Absolute rubbish. The Leader of our Country should put to rest any fears that Citizens may have, and not leave it to the company who started these fears in the first place.
Its all undrinkable with the poison they put into it.
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