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Why are schools using JobBridge to hire SNAs? The Minister's pledging to find out

Primary schools are looking to fill 56 SNA positions through the JobBridge scheme.

Updated 3.28pm 

EDUCATION MINISTER JAN O’Sullivan has said she will look at the issue of schools making use of the JobBridge scheme to fill essential roles.

It follows the publication of data from the Department of Social Protection, which oversees JobBridge, showing that primary schools are seeking to fill 56 Special Needs Assistant roles through the scheme.

The ads for the positions state that candidates will gain experience working with children with special educational needs, “feeding children at risk” and other areas.

“It’s certainly something I will be examining to see on what basis schools are hiring people through JobBridge,” O’Sullivan told reporters at an event in Dublin today.

She added:

I’m relatively new in this job and I haven’t had an opportunity as yet to see why schools are using JobBridge.

‘Matter for individual schools’

“In terms of the Department of Education, we can’t tell schools that they can’t hire in this way,” O’Sullivan said.

“It’s really a matter for individual schools to make these decisions.

“We do employ a huge number of SNAs in the school system directly through the Department as well.”

The Minister pointed out that the JobBridge scheme was closely monitored by the Department of Social Protection, and noted that ads for certain positions had been disallowed in the past.

The scheme should “not be about job replacement”, O’Sullivan said. “It should be about providing an opportunity to get some experience.”

Speaking to reporters in Dublin this afternoon, Tánaiste and Social Protection Minister Joan Burton, who set up JobBridge, said it was a matter for schools as to how they use the scheme.

“Schools obviously are governed by their boards and it’s a matter for each individual school how they would decide whether or not they want to use JobBridge,” she said.

However, Burton questioned whether schools employing cleaners on the scheme was “the best use” of it. She said any concerns about inappropriate use of JobBridge should be raised with its monitoring group.

- additional reporting from Hugh O’Connell 

First published 1.23pm 

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    Mute Swanky Joe
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    Sep 18th 2014, 1:29 PM

    Could use Jobsbridge to fill the Dail and Seanad. Way cheaper than paying the present shower of wasters

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    Mute John Tobin
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    Sep 18th 2014, 3:47 PM

    Every walk of life should be represented at the top level!
    We need people with more real life experience!
    One or two carefully selected from Jobridge could be beneficial?

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    Mute sid
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    Sep 18th 2014, 5:28 PM

    And you’d get more down to earth people with actual knowledge of life rather than a spoon fed elite with all their privileges that the ordinary man or woman could only dream of.

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    Mute John Tobin
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    Sep 18th 2014, 5:48 PM

    There would have to be a balance with high class professionals!
    What I don’t understand is we have the talent in this country, but none of it ever ends up in Government.

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    Mute Aaron O Connor
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    Sep 18th 2014, 6:13 PM

    the ancient Greeks did it that way. more like a lottery, when your number was called you came into power.

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    Mute Debbie Foott
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    Sep 19th 2014, 12:12 AM

    SNA courses are only 6 months long so anyone can complete them; these children need specialised help from people who are trained to specifically to help them in their education and unless someone in the JobBridge has these qualifications I don’t think it’s fair on the children or unemployed qualified SNAs.

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    Mute John Tobin
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    Sep 18th 2014, 1:32 PM

    How many full time jobs have the Government taken from the economy with these schemes!
    Yes the live register looks better, but there hiding the fact the dole is just being paid in a different way
    After people pay expenses on these schemes they are adding no more to the economy than they did on the dole.
    All this government is doing is fudging the books!

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:27 PM

    Added to this they can take on people under the TUS Scheme to work in government projects and in communities replacing council workers.
    This does three things
    It brings expenditure in departments down!
    It massages the live register!
    It takes more full time jobs away, replacing them with free workers!

    People of the TUS Scheme get a Gross of 20euro extra which is then taxed with an average person netting about 5euro.
    The person has to spend 30euro or more on transport and pay more tax (petrol tax).

    If you don’t like this, it would be quite convenient for this government if you emigrated!!

    This government gets the right answers but cheats an lies to give you their fantastic one-liners.

    We got expenditure down
    We got Ireland working
    Our economy is growing

    Yes but you had to totally fudge and bodge your way to this!!! At the cost of the normal person!

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:41 PM

    Fully agree, I couldn’t of said it better myself , it’s nice to know this incompetent government isn’t fooling many people, but unfortunately they are managing to fool some

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:55 PM

    Because they’re trying to make people think it’s about everyone contributing and not getting the dole for free!
    Then thousands who are employed jump on the bandwagon as they feel they are the hardest done by in the economy! They blame the dole people and a divide is created.
    The truth is everyone that’s not in the top 20percent is being squeezed. It’s convenient for everyone to turn on each other!
    If different sections of society are blaming each other nobody is blaming the government.
    I empathise with those on the dole that want minimum wage employment that is nowhere to be found.
    I empathise with those forced into stupid schemes at a financial deficit!
    I empathise with those in negative equity stuck in jobs with reduced wages and increased taxes!
    I empathise with people expected to work 70hours for the price of 39 with the attitude if you don’t want to do it the next person will!
    These any many many more situations are caused by one body the government.

    Don’t fall for it.

    When will everyone stand up against this BS

    I think it’s taken the Water Charges for everyone to say enough is enough! Why !

    The “sure it’ll be grand attitude” needs to die!

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    Sep 18th 2014, 3:12 PM

    Sick of seeing jobs with…..
    …… The intern will gain experience in sweeping, making tea, cleaning toilets
    Bring back our minimum wage jobs and let people who want to work an honest days work for an honest days pay work again!

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    Sep 18th 2014, 4:04 PM

    Absolutely John. I don’t understand why every minimum wage job is an internship. I can though understand if the placement involves something that requires lot of training. Otherwise the scheme really is exploitation of a person and the government’s money. It was set up as on the job training and it should have stayed that way.
    I approached a company for a job a year or so ago and they offered me training in Archicad bim via an internship. This BIM thing is the future of the industry and difficult to master. It is widely used in Europe and some parts of America and down under and is a really good thing to know. I did it. I worked on school buildings, houses, planning applications etc. There wasn’t a job there at the end of it and I think there is another intern in that office now. At the moment I am doing a Springboard course that involves using a similar, more advanced, more widely used program across the trades with success called Revit. When I get this I have things that I really can do anything and go anywhere with it. All because I did that internship in the first place.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 1:31 PM

    Don’t you need a qualification and garda vetting to be an SNA

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:30 PM

    You need fetac qualifications prob level 5 and 6 I’d say and Garda vetting takes ages to come through sometimes .

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    Sep 18th 2014, 11:56 PM

    Minimum requirements by the dept of ed. are junior cert maths, English & Irish. Individual schools usually require more. This job bridge is doing people who have studied for the position, out of jobs. Would they do that to teachers, if the intern has not studied for the job.
    Also the dept have cut so many SNA posts, schools are struggling to help the children who have special needs

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    Sep 18th 2014, 1:37 PM

    I can’t speak for SNA’s as I’m a teacher, but in our case, we do 20+ weeks of unpaid placements during our qualification. So I’m sure SNA’s have already had unpaid experience even if they’re just freshly qualified.
    I understand that principals and schools can be approaching desperation with their finances, but come on and have the balls to stand up and say, ‘no this is exploitation’, pure and simple.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:26 PM

    They have to do placements throughout their training yes. So you are right there. It’s not only SNAs they are looking for through job bridge it’s every position apart from principal so that’s teachers too. Teachers don’t need this work experience either . This is an abuse of the system and it’s repeated across many industries.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 3:00 PM

    It’s easy to have the balls and stand up when you are in a job.

    Instead of dictating to others, how about we let adults make there own decisions? You know, maybe you aren’t the great protector of the vulnerable you think you are. Maybe you’re just another busybody sticking your nose where it’s not fecking wanted.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 3:10 PM

    *their

    Calm down doctor, everyone is entitled to an opinion!

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    Sep 18th 2014, 5:24 PM

    Opinions, yes. Forcing them opinions on others? No.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 8:31 PM

    ‘The doctor’. Soon to be referred to as ‘the slave’.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:10 PM

    My son is lucky enough to have an SNA. These teachers are worth their weight in gold. I cannot emphasis enough how vital they are to the smooth running of classrooms. Without an SNA my son wouldn’t be able to progress in school as well as he does now, it would put extra pressure on his teacher which would in turn impact on the rest of his class. We are so grateful for them every day and they deserve to be treated with the respect of the Dept of Education and given a proper fair wage for the work they do. Its an insult that the suggestion of hiring SNA’s through Jobsbridge was put out there in the first place let alone acted on.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 1:33 PM

    Josephine feehily retires at 57 takes 300,000 golden ride and 104,000 pension p.a.In the meantime we can’t pay for nurses and teachers. ONly in this kip.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 1:54 PM

    A days work = a days pay . I just don’t get how we have lets this extortion exist within our society , as a nation we just don’t oppose anything , in other countries this would cause protests and demonstrations . More in the topic , people are being trained on top of college education with all the extras required to become a special needs assistant and are offered an internship , extremely important jobs that have a level of stress attached to them for 50 euro a week .

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:44 PM

    It’s not 50 a week, It’s €238.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:51 PM

    It’s sub minimum wage for a fulltime job

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:59 PM

    Not if you’re under 25 which the job bridge scheme is aimed at- new graduates. They get the lower rate of social welfare plus €50, after 3/4 years of college that’s a total kick in the ass.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 3:01 PM

    It’s a choice daisy. Who are you to make life decisions for other people?

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    Sep 18th 2014, 1:27 PM

    I wonder why? Maybe if there weren’t all the cut backs, they wouldn’t need to go through job bridge

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    Sep 18th 2014, 4:52 PM

    Or maybe they’re just being greedy about it…

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:35 PM

    The only qualification actually necessary to be an SNA is the Junior Certificate. In reality, many have spent years gaining relevant qualifications such as Fetac courses. They do an outstanding job and every child in every classroom benefits from them. If the teacher is alone with 30 pupils, including some with special needs, her ability to teach any pupils is compromised. All parents should support SNAs not just the parents of special needs kids.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 4:13 PM

    I’m a social care grad and I’d be delighted to take up a position as a SNA even though I’m over qualified. I have children in school (one with SEN) and it would be a perfect way for me to gain more experience without having to leave my own kids all afternoon. But I wouldn’t do it through job bridge. A fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work!

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    Sep 18th 2014, 5:29 PM

    Caroline I don’t want to be insulting when I say this. But it’s like people are only waking up to this internship scheme now. If you look up the website you will see internships for anything from staff for supermarkets, to managers for pharmacies. When design companies have been using JB for years now. While I am against them being implemented in the wider economy and displacing jobs, why should teaching posts be any different to other professions? Why is there the fuss for teachers when graduates and professionals in other industries did them and there wasn’t a word said? Are teachers anymore priority than everyone else?

    Pam El A pay is a good point. The schools could top up the wages of an intern to bring it at least up to and above the minimum wage for fairness.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 1:41 PM

    Nice to see that RTE & Journal.ie have at last started to highlight Jobbridge for the scam that it is
    http://gfmurphy101.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/rte-at-last-highlighting-jobbridge-for-the-scam-that-it-is/

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:22 PM

    Jobs bridge like a lot of schemes is good in theory but tends to be abused in practice. We’ve decided that paying back the banking debt is more important than our children’s future. When schools have to use jobs bridge to get essential staff then you know we’ve hit the bottom.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 8:29 PM

    It’s not even good in theory

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    Mute John Farrant
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    Sep 18th 2014, 1:57 PM

    Because it’s cheap labour

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:48 PM

    But now we have this idiot of a do gooder Aodhain o riordan, proposing that asylum seekers get full dole and full accommodation, while some Irish people don’t even have the comfort of what direct provision has to offer which is no bills , a roof over your head , 3 square meals a day , and no possibility of being homeless , this government and the PC brigade just sicken me and it’s getting worse by the day

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    Sep 18th 2014, 8:49 PM

    What do Asylum seekers have to do with this story?
    And while we’re on the subject, why shouldn’t they get treated better? If you’d to live in a centre for nearly 10 years as some of these people do, not be allowed work, get less than €20 a week and can’t give your children any sort of decent life you’d be angry too. They have every right to protest their conditions. And our government have a duty to help them.
    Just as they have a duty to help homeless and poor Irish people. But it’s not one gaining at the expense of the other. So take your hate filled rubbish elsewhere.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 9:16 PM

    @blackstuff2

    You should take your idiotic self else where, that should do nicely

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    Sep 18th 2014, 10:10 PM

    Ah right, well that cleared everything up. Thanks.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 4:01 PM

    The Irish have no protection in their own country.

    Exploited and undercut by schemes such as job-bridge

    Exploited and undercut by mass immigration cheap labour.

    I thought Ireland a nation, was supposed to be a home where the natives would at least have the breathing space to look after their own?

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:10 PM

    Here we go, another report, review and research from the Minister of Report Review and Research.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 3:46 PM

    Labour are finished.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 3:45 PM

    No real jobs from this minister.all promises..typical Labour.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 8:29 PM

    Last year 400 sna’s with proper qualifications were let go. To be filled this year by jobbridge sna’s wannabes with no qualifiactions. . No hands on experience. . In the end the kids will pay the price. . Bad education

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    Sep 18th 2014, 4:17 PM

    Job bridge is eating itself

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    Sep 18th 2014, 7:33 PM

    Bad enough recruiting SNAs through Jobbridge but I also saw an internship advertised for a Primary School Teacher..

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    Sep 18th 2014, 8:36 PM

    Aine, I agree I did too .

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    Sep 18th 2014, 3:49 PM

    Architects and other building professionals have been doing internships for years and nobody really complained about it. The Architectural Association of Ireland had a write up a few years ago showing their concerns that practices were using young graduates and older professionals alike to bring down their fees. But when teachers that are affected the country goes mad? It if it was good enough for all of us and nobody said a word. Then it’s good enough for the teachers.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 4:15 PM

    Teachers already do unpaid placements. As do social workers, speech therapists, psychologists, social care workers, OTs etc so why should the post qualification jobs be displaced by job bridge?

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    Sep 18th 2014, 5:18 PM

    I didn’t say it was a good thing. I often say how against internships I am in the wider economy. I said Architects for example had to do this for years and nobody gave a rats backside about us as workers. There isn’t a union for us that will fight for our wages and kick up a stink like what is happening at the moment for teachers. Btw Teachers do unpaid placements? Architects do a year out in a practice between year 3 and 4. Then two years after year 5. That is without the experience some do over the summer months between college. In this country graduates have been doing Jobbridge to get some of this experience for the last few years. Some of which are the lucky ones. My point is we used to get minimum wage to go into a practice with all the skills under the sun and work. For the last few years it is unpaid. No one gave a fuss. And that is without going into the other construction professions.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 5:26 PM

    I’m against them too. But I’m more against stopping other people from making up their own minds.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 5:35 PM

    I agree I just feel sorry for the person that didn’t get to college or university and has to go down this route from the get go, and work on Jobbridge in retail and supermarkets. There is where the bulk of the abuse of this system is.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:09 PM

    Sure if the HSE can use Jobbridge to hire admin staff, what’s to stop the schools?

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:20 PM

    SNA’s are not admin staff, they are frontline staff.

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:23 PM

    I’m well aware of that, my point is that everybody is abusing the system. Six new jobs on indeed.ie in my area today, all either internships or CE/Jobbridge

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    Sep 18th 2014, 3:11 PM

    Sick of seeing jobs with…..
    …… The intern will gain experience in sweeping, making tea, cleaning toilets
    Bring back our minimum wage jobs and let people who want to work an honest days work for an honest days pay work again

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    Sep 18th 2014, 2:39 PM

    Regardless of the advertisment for SNA interns it really doesn’t surprise me but long before this schools have ssought fully qualified scientists as lab attendants. What function does a fully qualified scientist have in a secondary school lab. What more their main duties tend to be little more then organising chemicals and effecting nothing more This annoyes me to n end as a scientist strugglkng to get work.
    Yes schools are looking for SNA interns but the have been lookig for other well qualified applicants before this, long before this and yet no outrage or investigation has been sinstigated as such…

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    Sep 18th 2014, 5:15 PM

    Yeah right whatever …… Check this website out if you disagree with The Great Irish Water Swindle http://yourwater.me/ …..

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    Sep 18th 2014, 8:23 PM

    Let’s call for a report.
    We like reports.

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    Sep 19th 2014, 12:04 AM

    Why hire people who want to earn a wage when you can hire free labour???

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    Sep 4th 2015, 3:58 PM

    I’m a sna and preschool teacher and can’t even get work because they want to take on people from schemes so they don’t need to pay them free labor and I applied to loads of places even give a example of my work I’ve done and reports didn’t make a difference.

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    Sep 20th 2014, 11:22 PM

    Classroom Assistants will now be advertised as special needs assistants so they can qualify under the scheme. Schools are trying to do everything to get some help. One teacher for 25-30 kids in one room can be very difficult. It is the child and teacher that will suffer. Every school in Ireland should have some help within the school.

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