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'Buffer zone' to separate troops and miliants created during Ukraine peace talks

The buffer zone is to separate government troops and pro-Russian militants.

PARTICIPANTS IN UKRAINIAN peace talks have reached agreement to create a buffer zone to separate government troops and pro-Russian militants.

Representatives of Ukraine, Russia, and the Moscow-backed rebels agreed that the buffer zone should be 30 kilometers wide.

They said after the talks that dragged into the night and ended early Saturday (local time) in the Belarusian capital Minsk that all heavy weapons should be withdrawn from that zone.

The negotiators also reached agreement on the withdrawal of all foreign fighters and mercenaries — a diplomatic reference to Russians fighting alongside the rebels.

The talks in Minsk were intended to spell out details of a cease-fire agreement reached September 5 that has been frequently interrupted by clashes.

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    Mute John Deegan
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    Sep 20th 2014, 9:22 AM

    It’s a pity that the CIA had to provoke a civil war in Ukraine. Only for Washington thousands would be alive today. In any case it appears they have tamed the wild dog Porky who ran out of conscripts to sacrifice to the rebels, at least for now. He will have a tricky balancing act to play facing the rebels on negotiations, trying to keep Washington from becoming bored with him, Ukrainians who are sick of this pointless war and of course we mustn’t forget the Nazis who are fuming at his “capitulation”. It’s quite likely something will give and we will see more “regime change” in Kiev.

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    Mute David Burke
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    Sep 20th 2014, 9:50 AM

    It’s always the CIA, Eh?

    There is a reasons eastern Europe hates Russia.

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    Mute Mike Hall
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    Sep 20th 2014, 11:44 AM

    Yes David, it generally IS the CIA involved.

    What was so important about Ukraine that the CIA Director John Brennan accompanied Senator John McCain there earlier this year (initially under an assumed name) ?

    A major film is due out next month about the work of US Journalist Gary Webb called “Kill The Messenger”.

    Webb documented and proved that the crack cocaine sold on the streets of Los Angeles was trafficked directly by the CIA and the profits used to finance the Nicaraguan Contra guerilla force to oust the Sandinista government.

    In the 1960s the ‘Bay of Pigs’ invasion of Cuba was perpetrated by the CIA. There are endless other examples of their illegal activities against numerous sovereign states.

    There is also a very strong case that they were co-conspirators with the Mafia and Lyndon Johnson in the assasination of JFK.

    A youtube video on this subject is an astonishing documentary on the interconnections and motives….. I defy anyone not completely blinkered to watch it and not consider the evidence presented highly plausible…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65N3eP2yvbQ&index=2&list=FLqSBn0qNCwi_D2wU-ZGVslQ

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    Mute Robin Hilliard
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    Sep 20th 2014, 11:56 AM

    Tinfoil hats there lads!

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    Mute Slava Cickinas
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    Sep 20th 2014, 12:56 PM

    OMG! I never thought I will see a brain washed person here in Ireland… CIA… You are nuts. Speaking so much about Ukraine without even being there once. Next year you will say it’s not CIA, but aliens, who controlled CIA who provoked Ukraine. And the only saint person in the world is Putin. Why don’t you just marry him

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    Mute John Deegan
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    Sep 20th 2014, 1:06 PM

    How would you know whether I’ve been to Ukraine? I’ve been there many times. At least I’m not over there on Ukraine forums talking to Ukrainians. Why don’t you go back there if you have a problem with free speech. You’d be more comfortable I would guess.

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    Sep 20th 2014, 1:13 PM

    I have been in Ukraine about 50 times in the past 4 years. My wife is Ukrainian and I have lots of friends there, in the east and west of Ukraine. You are clearly pro-russian in the most obvious way. I personally know people who’s friends were killed during the Maidan this year. Obviously USA is involved as they are not intrigued about Russia expanding it’s borders. Annexation of Crimea – how great was that? Can you back it up as well?
    P.S. there is freedom of speech and there is just being absurd

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    Sep 20th 2014, 1:29 PM

    You figured out I am pro Russian? Was it the fact that I display the Russian flag alongside my own country’s that helped you to come to that conclusion? You must be ex KGB lol

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    Sep 20th 2014, 1:38 PM

    I know the have been there. I know USA helps Ukraine directly with funding. So? Does that mean in your opinion, that all the people who died during Maidan were paid to go there? All that idiotic bulsh#t about fascists in Ukraine and in the Government. Only uneducated person would start that rant.
    And here look at you. A person living in outside of Ukraine knows better then the Ukrainians themselves, what is good and what is bad. You are a typical Russian. You wouldn’t believe, how long Russians (included people I know) where coming to Ukraine and telling – OMG, you are doing it wrong, you should do X in the economy and choose Z as your president. Ukraine is not a province of Russia, NO ONE CARE WHAT YOU THINK.
    P.S. Just to get it even more interested I will tell you one more detail- I AM RUSSIAN MYSELF

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    Sep 20th 2014, 1:45 PM

    Ukraine has been independent since 1991. Little facts like that get in the way of your argument. And how democracy works is that you cannot overthrow the president at the barrel of a gun just because you decide he’s no good. Then the precious coup plotters come all over the west looking for a war with Russia. I don’t care about people in Ukraine because they can’t sort out their own country without dragging my country into a trade war with Russia. If Ukrainans don’t want people here commenting on their country then stop sending their leaders all over the world trying to get support for a war against the Russians. It would have been better for Europe if Ukraine had never separated from Russia.

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    Sep 20th 2014, 2:04 PM

    1. how is that getting in the way of my argument? No no, seriously, explain this little riddle to me
    2. the ex president and his gang have raided businesses all across the country. I personally know people who’s business has just being taken away. If you don’t act like a democratic president but rather a tyrant – expect to be overthrown in a non-democratic way.
    3. No one is dragging Ireland into war. Supporting another country doesn’t mean participating in war actions.
    4. Last time Ukraine was a part of Russia in 1921. Telling “It would have been better for Europe if Ukraine had never separated from Russia” is exactly as you’d say “It would have been better for Europe if Ireland had never separated from UK”. How does that sound?

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    Sep 20th 2014, 7:25 PM

    1. Ukraine was independent for 25 years. It was separated from Russia. That’s why complaining about the Russians is a joke. Ukraines problems are Ukraines nobody else.
    2. If you live by the sword you die by it. If you approve of anti democratic overthrows of gov don’t go whining about democracy in Crimea. And don’t come to the west appealing for help in your “fight for democracy”. You’ve already said you have no respect for that same democracy.
    3. Thanks to Ukraine Ireland is in a trade war against Russia. We’re not all crazy about this particular country so don’t expect us all to be US poodles over here.
    4. We won our own independence without any help from Ukrainians. Thanks but we can fight our own battles.

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    Sep 21st 2014, 2:23 AM

    @ . Slava Cickinas . Crimea was not annexed, at least not by Russia. In 1991 Crimea, like Ukraine voted to go its own way, Ukraine did not respect the peoples choice, so if anyone annexed Crimea it was Ukraine I reckon they owe Crimea a fortune for the rent they stole on the navel base.

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    Sep 21st 2014, 12:48 PM

    @John Deegan
    1. Complaining about the Russians? No one complained about Russians before they have invaded Ukraine!
    2. No foreign army was involved in overthrowing the president. Not like in Crimea which was full with Russian Army soldiers. Even Putin himself confirmed that
    3. No one tells you to like it. It’s your opinion, which is fine. Just don’t throw crazy facts into the game.
    4. It’s not independence Ukraine is fighting for, it’s invasion. Imagine UK would now pull in it’s forces into Ireland. And compare Irish and UK army size. That’s exactly what is going on in Ukraine. It’s Ukrainians right to ask for help and it’s up to every man and country to either accept or refuse. But condemn Ukraine for asking??

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    Sep 21st 2014, 12:57 PM

    @Chris Devitt There was not an referendum in 1991 regarding the independence of Crimea, just about it’s autonomy within Ukraine. You should read your history books again.

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    Sep 21st 2014, 1:28 PM

    Ukraine illegally overthrew its previous president. Washington was caught red handed planning the new government before the violent coup. The CIA are up to their necks in bread and butter regime change. Are you really slow? Then the majority Russian population of Crimea voted democratically to secede and then join Russia. Russia accepted the request and facilitated the referendum otherwise she would have lost her naval port. Ukrainians only have themselves to blame. You lose all sympathy when you use Nazis to perform violent coups and then threaten ethnic minorities in the country. Then not happy with the loss of crime Kiev, instead of negotiating with the East as they requested, proceeded at CIA instigation to launch a truly misguided “anti terrorist operation” which has backfired spectacularly. The US have ruled out intervention in Ukraine. Porky has been told NATO won’t even supply weapons. Ukraines leaders placed into power by Nazis gambled that the US would intervene risking WW3 for us all. Due to this Ukraine under her current leadership deserves nothing but contempt.

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    Sep 21st 2014, 3:08 PM

    @ . Slava Cickinas . So, you are saying that an autonomous region has less rights than Ukraine to vote to go their own way ? Ask yourself if Ukraine then had a right to vote for anything after the illegal coup ?

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    Sep 21st 2014, 3:27 PM

    John

    We have a real live ‘right sector’ thug supporter in ‘Slava’. His FB page shows a ‘like’ for the Donbass battalion of right wing militia thugs. Apparently with quite a number of volunteers from the Baltic states. It is ‘sponsored’ by billionaire Igor Kolomoyski, who some interesting ways of doing business…

    “….. Kolomoyski has used Privat’s “quasi-military forces” to enforce hostile takeovers of companies, sending a team of “hired rowdies armed with baseball bats, iron bars, gas and rubber bullet pistols and chainsaws” to forcibly take over a Kremenchuk steel plant in 2006,[22] and has used “a mix of phony court orders (often involving corrupt judges and/or registrars) and strong-arm tactics” to replace directors on the boards of companies he purchases stakes in.[23] Kolomyski was criticized by Mr Justice Mann in a court case in London involving an attempted hostile takeover of an oil company, with the judge stating that Kolomyski had “a reputation of having sought to take control of a company at gunpoint in Ukraine” and that there were “strong grounds for doubting the honesty of Mr Kolomoisky”.[24]… ”

    Source – Wikipedia (+fully referenced+)

    Looks like Kiev has been quite a magnet for far right neo Nazis from many former Soviet satellite states.

    The mainstream media has not mentioned any of these mercenary militias that are the actual forces invading Eastern Ukraine for the Kiev coup regime. (Ukraine’s official ‘army’ have shown little enthusiasm for killing fellow citizens.) Nor have they mentioned that there is no real chain of command to Kiev, or real civilian Gov control of their behaviour.

    The ‘rabble’ nature of these ‘battalions’, Azov, Donbass etc. is of course why they have failed to take Donetsk or Luhansk – a bunch of right wing thugs do not an army make.

    So ‘Slava’… do tell us what exactly it is you ‘like’ about the neo Nazi Donbass thugs & thug oligarch Kolomoyski ? Got some right wing thug buddies ‘proud to be straight’ (another FB ‘like’ from Slava) from Lithuania?

    For those looking for an excellent analysis of the situation I reccommend here:

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ie/2014/09/ukraine-sitrep-september-20-2334.html

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    Sep 21st 2014, 3:40 PM

    I should have guessed Mike as “Slava Ukainia” here has already explained his contempt for the democratic process. And Slava said he was Russian but he’s a liar as well as a Nazi. He is a Lithuanian fascist. Just because you speak Russian doesnt make you Russian you Nazi.
    And don’t think just because you got a free welfare pass to the west means you can spread your Nazi ideology here in Ireland unopposed. Because I can tell you “Slava” you will be strongly opposed.

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    Sep 21st 2014, 5:59 PM

    @ . Slava Cickinas . What ! You don’t ever look in a mirror ? Maybe your too busy concocting your propaganda.

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    Sep 21st 2014, 6:12 PM

    @ . Slava Chickinas . Coups are not the accepted norm in Europe, yet Ukraine wonders why it is not receiving help from America and Europe.
    If others accept illegal coups as the norm they are given up their own rights to self determination, the Ukrianians that started this coup had lived abroad for years, they are a foreign invasion, get rid of them before you talk of peace.

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    Sep 20th 2014, 8:29 AM

    Why is everyone afraid of Russia?

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    Sep 20th 2014, 8:58 AM

    Ask thousands of dead Ukrainians.

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    Sep 20th 2014, 9:20 AM

    Or you could try asking Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Chechnya, Georgia, the Baltic states and others…

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    Sep 20th 2014, 9:25 AM

    Because Russia ticks all the boxes to be a world power. And the US and EU are insolvent. Washington wants to kill the competition.

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    Sep 20th 2014, 9:33 AM

    Large military – tick
    Intimidation of weaker neighbours – tick
    Interference in affairs of independent nations – tick
    Imperialist ambitions – tick
    Aggressive actions – tick
    Invasion of other countries’ sovereign territory – tick
    Sociopathic leader – tick
    Using trade restrictions as a weapon – tick
    etc. etc.

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    Sep 20th 2014, 9:40 AM

    Perfect description of the current Washington administration.

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    Sep 20th 2014, 9:45 AM

    Yes John – are you so blind/blinkered that you can’t see that everything you love to accuse the US of, the Russians are also guilty of??

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    Sep 20th 2014, 10:01 AM

    Are you so blinkered that you cannot see we are being marched into trade, propaganda and Cold War with the risk of hot war against the Russians?

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    Sep 20th 2014, 10:08 AM

    It takes two to make a Cold War John, and Putin’s recent actions have practically guaranteed a return to the Cold War, in the short term at least.

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    Sep 20th 2014, 10:22 AM

    Problem reaction solution

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    Sep 20th 2014, 10:36 AM

    Are you trying to suggest that the CIA (or whoever else the flavour of the month is) somehow forced Putin to seize Crimea and invade East Ukraine?

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    Sep 20th 2014, 11:50 AM

    I think people ought to realise just how unsavoury this Kiev regime is that the US is supporting for its own geo political imperialist agenda.

    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/15/ukraines-romantic-nazi-storm-troopers/

    http://slavyangrad.org/2014/09/16/ukraines-punitive-battalions/

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    Sep 20th 2014, 11:51 AM
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    Sep 20th 2014, 11:55 AM

    @ Avina Laaf . Large military, tick. They need it it, a great idea when dealing with the most dangerous country on the planet. America has started 100 + conflicts since WW2 . All sane people want peace but, I often think you are on the wrong side of sanity.

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    Sep 20th 2014, 12:25 PM

    What makes you think I don’t want peace Chris?

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    Sep 21st 2014, 3:03 PM

    @ . Robin Hilliard . Do you mean the thousands of civilians killed by the junta, or those defending them against the junta, or maybe you mean the thousands of junta killers sent to kill them.
    You should be more clear about what you are saying.

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    Sep 21st 2014, 5:57 PM

    @ . Avina L . You could ask the new NATO members what incentives they have been lured with to be hostile to their neighbour, I don’t think they will tell you. Just like Poor little Belgium, that had just slaughtered about 12 Mil blacks was a good reason for WW1.
    When ” The Gang ” starts a war it sends in the harriers first to wear down the prey, the Baltic States are Putin their future at stake by courting this risky gambit for their NATO masters.
    http://youtu.be/Dr4cDN0xx88

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    Sep 20th 2014, 3:51 PM

    Seems to be a clear Russian victory, the east now has 3 years of self rule (as if the Ukrainians had any chance of ruling it anyway) and a buffer zone. Its essentially the creation of a new state,poor deluded Kiev got in over its head just like the Georgians did. Waiting on the cavalry to roll in while NATO cowered behind A4 folders.

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