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British and Belgian politicians vote to join air strikes on Islamic State

Speaking today, David Cameron told MPs “there is no more serious issue than asking our armed forces to put themselves in harm’s way to protect our country”.

Updated 11.45pm

THE BRITISH HOUSE of Commons today voted overwhelmingly in favour of joining US-led air strikes on Islamic State targets in Iraq and was soon followed by Belgium’s parliament which approved plans to send in six F-16 fighter jets.

In the UK, the motion, proposed by Prime Minister David Cameron’s government, was passed by 524 votes to 43, a majority of 481.

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Speaking in the House of Commons today he told MPs “there is no more serious issue than asking our armed forces to put themselves in harm’s way to protect our country”.

After the vote in Belgium, the government saidthe fighter jets had taken off for Jordan, where they could begin fighting missions over Iraq as early as tomorrow.

The deployment follows a formal request from Washington earlier in the week, but will be limited to Iraq.

Denmark and the Netherlands have also announced plans to send fighter jets to help combat IS militants.

- With additional reporting from AFP.

First published 6pm

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    Mute Tom Red
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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:09 PM

    The UK will be fighting some of its own citizens at home and abroad….
    These lunatics need to be eradicated ASAP…..

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:21 PM

    Eradicated? You sound like an extremist

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:22 PM

    They are only citizens on paper. They have no loyalty to the UK.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:33 PM

    They will never be english.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:36 PM

    Kevin – What would you do with them? Slap them on the wrist and send them on their way?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:46 PM

    Besides the fact most of their guns are American. It would be paramount to stop the destabilisation of that area by not sending in more weapons, bombs, troops etc… If we could poll the middle east on west intervention I’m sure the common consensus would be to get out of their countries.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:56 PM

    I’m sure the common consensus would be to eradicate the IS threat and then get out.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:57 PM

    Just ask your this: Why does ISIS only exist now?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:03 PM

    Common consensus in middle east not in the American army!

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:04 PM

    Kevin Higgins Because it suits the Globalists agenda right now.

    Three Pronged.

    ISIS gives the West an excuse to enter and bomb Syria .
    ISIS is currently acting as proxy ground troops weakening Syria’s defenses.
    ISIS gives western powers the excuse to launch false flags terrorism at home to tighten the belt on the police state.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:24 PM

    @Kevin if ISIS were only attacking western countries and assets id agree with you. A lot of the extremism in the world at the moment is caused by bad American foreign policy. But ISIS are NOT only going after the west. They are rounding up fellow muslims in Iraq and Syria and demanding that they convert to their cause, and if they dont they are exterminating them.
    Go to any of the refugee camps in Turkey or Jordan and talk to the 10s of thousands of misplaced muslims who are afraid to return to their hometowns because of what ISIS are doing.
    ISIS are not an American enemy only, they are an enemy of anyone who doesnt agree with their warped version of Islam…….including fellow muslims.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:46 PM

    I’m an extremists , they need to be slaughtered every last one of them , if any Muslims living in Ireland or the UK that wanna support isis .,then I suggest they piss off back to the Middle East and go back riding camels ., cos they’re not wanted here .. Nut jobs !!

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:50 PM

    Ger that still doesn’t answer as to how they came about. Why do we suddenly have such a organised extreme force hell bent on killing all who oppose them?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:02 PM

    Kevin, you sound like an appeaser.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:04 PM

    Kevin, there are middle eastern countries backing up the US attacks on Isis! So there is consensus on US involvement by countries in the Middle East.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:28 PM

    Declan it’s a pretty simple question

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:38 PM

    The richest terrorist group in the universe
    Making 2 million a day fills up their bulging purse
    Beheading a person is a ISIS speciality
    Doesn’t really matter what is ones nationality
    How did they come about? maybe someone laid a curse?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:52 PM

    @ Kevin I dont know how they came about and neither do you. What I do know is that they didnt come about with the express desire to go after ther west like many other islamic terrorist groups. There objective is ( as their name suggests ) an Islamic state. That has nothing to do with America.

    Organised terrorists groups have been happening since year dot…..for many different reasons.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:49 PM

    Every terrorist group wants it’s own state. Name one that didn’t.

    With regards to them not caring about america look at the recent vice interview with the Canadian jihadist. He speaks of raising the black flag above the white house along with people actively planning an attack on new york.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:50 PM

    Ab, one day you will wake and find out that you don’t exist and are in fact a false flag and disappear in a cloud of non logic

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:58 PM

    Oh the irony, terrorist politicians in suits pontificating about other terrorists which they armed in the first place – it’s like something from a Monty Python sketch

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:02 PM

    Indeed avina. So simple isn’t it. Get in and get out. Maybe read Charlie wilsons war by George crille or the movie with yer man can’t remember his name but gets left on Island after plane crash. Ironically has a ball friend called Wilson. Anyway getting in and out is not an option. You can’t be a little pregnant.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:18 PM

    Read the context of my comment again Sacha

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:18 PM

    “Every terrorist group wants its own state. Name one did didnt”

    @Kevin there are over 300 listed terrorist groups according to data collected by different world governments. Many have vastly different ideologies but very few of them claim to want their own state. Research it Kevin.

    I never said they didnt care about America, but they are not ( as far as we know ) currently active in America. They HAVE as ive said elsewhere stated that they want their “Islamic State” throughout the world. That is why they need to be stopped now while they are still mostly active in only 2 countries.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:19 PM

    *(read Kevin’s comment immediately above it)

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:47 PM

    Kevin to answer your question. ISIS have morphed and evolved. They began their existence as Al Qaeda in Iraq. Where all they were able to do was carry out car bombings and suicide attacks.
    When the the civil war in Syria was in full swing they moved into Syria to join with the other Jihadist movements operating there due to the vacuum left by Western inaction in supporting the initial moderates in the democratic movement.
    While in Syria they could not garner Sunni recruits under the name of AQI so they changed to become ISIS/ISIL. Already having some Senior Officers from Saddam’s regime who knew the power of terror in controlling the civilian population and instilling fear in the enemy.
    So with the weapons both captured and given to them by the other Jihadists they grew gaining victories against the Syrian army.
    After building up a reputation for extreme viciousness half of their forces returned back into Iraq where they found recruitment amongst extremely easy due to the Malaki governments sectarian policies. And when the Iraqi army deserted en masse abandoning all the equipment supplied to them by the US. It was picked and is being currently being used by ISIS.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 11:06 PM

    Kevin stop being a mouthpiece for these lunatics and show some support for the effort to get rid of the plague called IS

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    Sep 26th 2014, 11:19 PM

    Mick, at this stage, would you consider it preferable that Assad stay in power, and indeed win his war with them?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 11:22 PM

    cool, now level it once and for all.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 11:23 PM

    i am sure israel would be all for it.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 11:39 PM

    You would think, yet they attack Assad…

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    Sep 27th 2014, 12:10 AM

    2reports today, one: seventy Iraqi army men killed by Airstrikes, two: the buildings hit in Raqqa by the coalition Airstrikes were abandoned over a week ago, getting that furry feeling again lads, the wools being pulled over your eyes once more, this time in a far more sinister way than just making up a WMDs lie, my god, they really are desperate now, running a huge risk of being found out.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 1:36 AM

    Would you care to tell where your reports come from?

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    Sep 27th 2014, 5:19 AM
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    Sep 27th 2014, 7:47 AM

    AQI wouldn’t have existed without a war fought without international support and fought over made up evidence though. So people who blame US and Brits for ISIS kind of have a point, not to mind the fact sectarian tensions are so bad because the Brits ‘drew a line’, Iraq as a country should have been 3 countries. They should have armed moderates and bombed Assads forces when uprising and civilian massacres began in Syria but they were afraid to provoke Putin who has a naval base there.. because you know he’s such a reasonable guy and all. Generally the war hawks are wrong but moving against Assad would have been the better option IMO.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 8:28 AM

    I’d like to red thumb and green thumb your comment Tony. AQ originated in the late 1980′s in Afghanistan. In addition the ‘wmd’ gulf war 2 started in 2003, a full two years after AQ attacked the twin towers, so its demonstrably untrue to state that AQ wouldn’t have existed without a war based on ‘made up evidence’.

    Re. Syria, I agree – for the ordinary people of Syria the IS alternative now facing them is way worse than Assad, but that doesn’t absolve Assad’s past brutality. The vacuum left when the outside world failed to adequately support Syria’s arab spring was ruthlessly exploited by the islamofascists leading to the bloodbath we see today.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 8:51 AM

    AQI – The I stands for Iraq, I know AQ was from Afghanistan originally but had little to no presence in Iraq until 2003, the Brits and Americans created the conditions for them to thrive in.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:33 PM

    I was totally against the first invasion of Iraq and have always said that the “war on terror” is an unwinable one because of the very nature of Islamic fundamentalism. But this is a whole different ball game.

    This group are not merely interested in random terror attacks against the west. Their stated goal is to take over and convert the world to their brand of Islamism or eradicate the non believers.

    They are not just targeting western democracy, they are targeting fellow Muslims and anyone who doesn’t fit their warped world view. They want to redraw borders to create their own “Islamic state” and if they achieve the wherewithal they will move beyond the middle east.

    This group pose a much bigger threat to world peace than any terrorist group we’ve seen and must not be allowed to gain a foothold.
    At the risk of invoking Godwins law the Nazi party started off small and were allowed to grow to the point where they gained political might, power and the military capabilities that go along with it. I see a lot of similarities between what Hitler was prepared to do to create his world empire and what this group are doing and will do.
    They need to be stopped now, at all costs.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:36 PM

    Shouldn’t it be a coalition of countries from that region who are fighting IS instead of the US and UK going in once again dropping bombs? They’ve proven themselves incapable of winning.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:37 PM

    Jaysus two weeks ago Putin was the new Hitler. I can’t keep up…

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:38 PM

    There are 30 plus countries involved in the coalition, including many from the region.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:39 PM

    why don’t you put on your black and tan uniform and go over and slew them arabs two by two yourself

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:44 PM

    Cop yourself on you muppet. If you can’t add anything just be quiet. What would you do about the situation @ impropaganda?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:46 PM

    And yet it’s the US leading it and making the headlines, why is that? Why is the US so eager to get involved yet again when they’re responsible for the mess that is Iraq and Syria ?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:56 PM

    The US is leading it because they have by far the most assets and experience available to lead the operation. You don’t give the nation with 20 war planes available the lead when one nation involved has a grand total of over 10,000 aircraft and decades of experience to call upon.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:56 PM

    The real trigger for a crazy group that is ISIS is sadly the US.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:04 PM

    Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria have around 2,300 aircraft altogether. That’s a lot more than 20, so it’s safe to say they have more than 20 warplanes. The US doesn’t have 10,000 aircraft. How successful was the USAF in Vietnam? They weren’t. Military might alone is not enough, and it’s nothing countries in the region can’t do

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:17 PM

    Jason Culligan. The US certainly has the experience and track record for war mongering and bloodshed more than any other nation on the face of this planet.

    Just look at the mess the world is in today because of US lead wars.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:17 PM

    @Diana the US is leading it because they have the largest military capability and the biggest air force in the area, so it makes sense for them to lead it. And what “mess” did the USA create in Syria? I am not a fan of USA foreign policy and their invasion of Iraq in 2003 has caused the power vacuum that has led to the mess the region is in now. You have no argument from me there.
    But just because the USA fecked up that time doesnt mean that everything they do is wrong and for bad reasons.
    ISIS are a group that need to be stopped….even you cant deny that. So lets not get hung up on what the USA have done wrong and how poor their judgement can be at times and admit that they are needed in this instance.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:22 PM

    ‘im not a fascist Ted, fascist dress in black and go around telling people what to do’

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:39 PM

    I’m assuming I’m Diana…the US is currently doing nothing that the countries in that area can’t do. The US funded the rebels in Syria and many of the supplies from that fell into the hands of IS. They fuelled the civil war. The US also messed up last time they tried fighting an ideological war in Vietnam, that was great for them wasn’t it? They still haven’t won in Afghanistan, Somalia is still a mess, and Libya is now a mess since the West started dropping bombs there. I’m not getting hung up on who is responsible, I’m saying that the West should not lead the fight and should not engage in active fighting, but should stick to preventative measures and work to stop jihadis and activities in their own countries, while funding and supplying the Kurds and the Iraq army.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:40 PM

    Ger You say that there are 30 plus countries involved in the coalition, including many from the region.

    every single one of those thirty countries have the same mandate to oust Bassar Assad including ISIS and the Syrian Rebels..

    Dose that not say something about the true motive of this coalition?

    Its all about Assad and taking over Syria and absolutely NOTHING about ISIS.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:53 PM

    Assad is a despot and a dictator and you’re right, many of those countries would want him out. And if we are being honest many of those countries involved in the coalition dont exactly have a great track record when it comes to human rights and democracy themselves. But this isnt a black and white situation.
    I think that part of the reason that the USA military dont do a great job in these kind of conflicts is because there are no one group of “good guys” and one group of “bad guys”. Its fluid and complex. The USA cant get their heads around that.

    But that doesnt mean that ISIS should not be stopped. They must be. They are a threat to the entire region. That is obvious to everyone, even the naysayers.
    I dont know how you can say its all about Assad and nothing about ISIS…you have no proof for that statement other than your own personal feelings.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:59 PM

    Yeah sorry about calling you Diana :) I agree with you to a point. I think it would be much better for everyone if the countries in the region were able to deal with this themselves. Im not sure that they have the ability to do that though, they certainly dont have the experience. But if boots are needed on the ground it should not be western forces.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:07 PM

    Frank, you are like a broken record!
    I always thought Horgay was bad but you have out done him.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:12 PM

    I think they do have the abilities, for instance, Saudi Arabia has 700 warplanes (according to Channel 4) but the UK is only sending 6. Personally I think Saudi Arabia should also stay out of it as much as possible, but the combined airforce of various Arab countries is more than enough to carry it out. The US may have the experience, but it isn’t exactly a good experience.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:35 PM

    Ger, where do you get the information that forms your opinions?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:56 PM

    Sunnis vs shiites = catholics vs protestants – just different place, different time

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:59 PM

    America invaded iraq because george bush jr wanted to finish the job hid dad wouldnt do. Maybe his old man had more sense

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:23 PM

    various places Jason….which opinions in particular are you talking about?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 11:23 PM

    red thumbs away Danny, seriously why do you even bother?!

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    Sep 26th 2014, 11:24 PM

    @stephen what about the lads who were really running the show Rumsfeld and Cheney they were the ones who wanted to go in to Iraq sure cheney’s old employers haleburton made a mint on military equipment sold and used in that war. Dubya was a puppet to corporate bidding true evil!

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    Sep 27th 2014, 2:05 AM

    Declan Noonan speak for yourself? Your just a boring website shill that comes up with the same old crap that one would find on CNN or FOX news. “USA is great, we can lead the world, we can do it” we have the biggest airforce in the world..etc”

    To tell you the truth, people are sick to the teeth of US war policy,their morals, their hypocricy, their terrorist supporting, US admin has gone down the toilet completely, look at GAZA, US has its head so far up Israel’s but it has whitewashed the subject completly.

    http://theuglytruth.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/donkeys1.png

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    Sep 27th 2014, 2:12 AM

    Frank, blah blah blah.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 5:28 AM

    Declan Noonan ..has the US replenished Israel’s stock of US manufactured weapons since the recent GAZA invasion? No doubt and we don’t see a hint of one sanction called on this evil regime while Russia gets sanctioned over a bogus false flag that has fallen flat on its face.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:13 PM

    cameron is a sickening propagandist, he spoke about the slaughter of children by isis when israel have murdered more kids than isis.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:37 PM

    The difference being that Israel don’t plan on attacking the West

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:42 PM

    Phillip Hogan.. Israel will simply get someone else to carry out their false flags in the West as they have always done in the past.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:39 PM

    Phillip, come back to us. Where you getting that ‘ISIS’® want to attack the west?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:11 PM

    Philip, ever heard of the Lavon Affair? Also check out the USS Liberty and Five Dancing Israelis, it might enlighten you, unless you are utterly blinkered by the biased mass media

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:59 PM

    Jason. Its ISIS stated aim bring their version of Islam and Sharia law to every Muslim in every part of the Globe.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 5:54 AM

    Mick Jordan.. No doubt Tel aviv and the Pentagon wrote the script for ISIS, its all about fearmongering, taking out Assad and ushering in the New World Order police state.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:06 PM

    This is an unwinnable war. The Western countries will be on high security alert now for eternity. IS is a cancer and little pockets of it will appear all over the western world when people are least expecting it. I’m sorry to say it but be prepared for plenty more atrocities to come.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 4:33 AM

    The easiest populations to control are ones that are kept in fear constantly.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:16 PM

    In need of a textbook liberal comment? Come on to the Journal and you can find them in spades!

    “If you polled the Middle East, most would want the West out of their countries” How about you poll the Yahzidis, Christians, Shia, and moderate Sunni people in Iraq about ISIS? Do you think they would take comfort in your patronising advice?

    The problem with these ignorant Liberals is that they think everything that happens in the Middle East is the West’s fault. They ignore the development of Islamism since the 1940s or its combination with Wahhabism in the 80s.

    But by all means keep watching RT and Press TV while you drink your fair trade coffee and laugh smugly at how wrong people who disagree with you are. And then comment on the Journal as if you’re informed on the matter.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:53 PM

    World war 3 started on September 11 2001. A war between Islam and the west, a war in my opinion cannot be won. Yes they might not call it a world war but a war between the 2 largest ideologies on the planet has been happening, is happening and will continue to happen. Do you think if extreme Islamic militants get their hands on nuclear weapons they would not use them? Would the west retaliate? It’s sad but this will happen someday. Just hope I’m not around to witness it.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:29 PM

    Why do you think it can’t be won? Also “Just hope I’m not around to witness it.” ? So basically you don’t care about future generations?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:38 PM

    @Sakura, I believe it cannot be won because it’s a war like no other war. It’s not country v country or a few countries v a few countries. It’s a clash of beliefs and ideologies. In fact it’s been going on for a few thousand years but it’s just coming to the boil now. And yes of course i fear for the next generation, i have kids myself but this war is going to get alot worse.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:14 PM

    When is the bombing of israel going to start?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:17 PM

    When the dollar collapses !

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:22 PM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN5q_0H41VE
    here is an animated clip explaining the petrodollar and what its implications are for the world
    and yes declan noonan its relevant

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:23 PM

    Never because Israel would destroy any plane that try’s to attack them.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:36 PM

    Al Asqa Mosque will soon get bombed by some terrorist organisation (ISIS) to make way for the 3rd Temple of Solomon.

    Israel has been itching for replacing this mosque for some while now.

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/01/25/347605/israel-mulls-replacing-alaqsa-mosque/

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:52 PM

    War, what is it good for, absolutely nothing…

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:53 PM

    Frank, various Jewish groups and Israelis have been calling for Al Aqsa to be destroyed and the Temple restored for several hundred years. Nothing new in that.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:54 PM

    BC War pushes for agenda such as global dominance and world order (Fascism ) as what Western Nations are pushing for.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:21 PM

    Ahippo There has been a push now more than ever for the reconstruction of the 3rd Temple of Solomon

    Almost every week in the news (Not Mainstream) you are getting reports of disturbances and of Israelis shooting at worshipers at Al Asqa Mosque. .

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/09/18/324632/israelis-attack-palestinians-in-alaqsa/

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:26 PM

    Don’t forget to tell them about the zombies Frank https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr6rp0HYgQ8

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    Sep 26th 2014, 11:03 PM

    Did you see that in the numbers too Frank or did David Ike tell you?

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    Sep 27th 2014, 2:02 AM

    I dunno, I put on the news and tend to go along with what they say, but ablitive does put across a good points sometimes, backed up by links and who knows really what’s going on. A lot of posts disagrees with ablitive but they only name call and have no links up to say why he’s wrong. Who knows.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 6:45 AM

    Andy Mars.. how much are you being paid to troll this site?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:15 PM

    Sure all bad animals need to be put down, no different for ISIS.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:46 PM

    All religion is nasty, but Islam is a horrible piece of work altogether. World war 3 has already started folks and it’s gonna be a long and bloody battle. Unfortunately i can’t see an end to it in our lifetime.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:50 PM

    World War 3 hasn’t started.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:37 PM

    Not sure why you are being downvoted. He is right, World war 3 has not started. No need to be sensationalist.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 11:27 PM

    There is a way to end it but it isn’t going to get you any Nobel prizes ! Not going to be a pretty way that’s for sure

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:33 PM

    it would,nt be about the oil would it..!!!

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:46 PM

    nothing to do with oil of course, don’t be listening to those intelligent people with free minds who know what the craic is, this an evil religion that wants to dominate the world and enslave the people, anyway enough about christianity

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:58 PM

    The whole oil trope is quite frankly ridiculous at this stage. Not only is the US set to regain the title of top oil and gas producer, Syria has barely any notable oil reserves and Iraq’s main export partner is China.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:24 PM

    been over there have you, who told you?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:09 PM

    Cameron machine “purrs” into action.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:34 PM

    According to a Ministry of Defence report to Parliament in 2010, each Tornado flight costs £35,000 per hour.
    With a price tag of up to almost £1m for some missiles, British military action on IS fighters in Iraq will not come cheap.
    (from sky.com)

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:48 PM

    Yeah but someone will benefit, though certainly not your average Joe Punchclock who will pick up the tab and be on the receiving end of the “blowback”.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 2:55 AM

    John who do you think buys shares on the stock market. Its pension funds and who benefits from pension funds. Retired workers. So it the retired Joe Punchclock that benefits.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:23 PM

    David Cameron stated that Non Violent Conspiracy theorists are just as dangerous as ISIS. He also slammed those that attacked the official story of 9/11 and 7/7.

    http://www.blacklistednews.com/David_Cameron_Says_Non-Violent_Conspiracy_Theorists_Are_Just_As_Dangerous_As_ISIS/38200/0/38/38/Y/M.html

    # Fascist Police State and Censorship coming soon to the UK.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:54 PM

    Are you worried Frank? Better stop using electronic comma.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:00 PM

    Not sure about “just as dangerous” but they’re not referred to as ‘useful idiots’ for nothing.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:00 PM

    Avina Laaf its not the point.

    A conspiracy Theorists is a term they would coin to anyone that would oppose their opinions or that of the main stream media of which is their mouth piece.

    A very dangerous move in countries like America where all these new fascist emergency powers were drafted in such as the patriot act, indefinite internment, NDAA etc.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:19 PM

    Here you go Frank you need a new one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAu3jmajYzU

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:50 PM

    Frank, I think you’ll find that for all the faults of its ‘fascist’ controlling government, the average American enjoys way more freedoms than the average Syrian, Russian, Chinese etc.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:05 PM

    @Avina, don’t you know that Frank would prefer a world with stifling repression where, if you disagree with established rhetoric and his opinions you’re hung using a crane like in his beloved Iran, and where the Jewish people, with their crooked noses as per his constant links to such images, have all been exterminated.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:54 PM

    Ab, so hg wells was right, 1984 and all that?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:14 PM

    Considering conspiracy theorists have been responciable for several major out breaks of deathly but preventible diseases, not less of which being preventing the elimination of polio, maybe Cameron was right.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:24 PM

    Or more recently Ebola – eight medical workers were murdered a couple of days ago when locals believed that western countries were conspiring to infect them with Ebola. Add MMR vaccine to that list too.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 12:21 AM

    Well how about you look at the UN report into 8 Syrian children dying almost immediately after they were given polio vaccines in a refugee camp.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 12:50 AM

    Pseudo-Mick, this was a truly tragic incident. The UN haven’t yet reported on it, but all the indications are that either:
    1) The children were mistakenly given anaesthetic instead of vaccine in an almighty c0ck up, or more likely:
    2) The vaccines were deliberately tampered with by persons unknown (each side is blaming the other).

    BTW its still pretty pathetic to try and clone another Journal user’s identity.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 2:59 AM

    Avina he doent bother me that much any more because the majority of the Journals regulars know who is real and who isn’t.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 6:04 AM

    Avina Leaf .. America enjoys more freedom than Russia and China… lol.

    You obviously have not read the script of the National Defense Authorisation Act.

    http://rt.com/usa/160832-ndaa-gitmo-detention-approved/

    and those FEMA camps….you probably think they are for natural desasters because your cable tv news channel told you.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 6:07 AM

    Avina Leaf…and not to mention that the USA having the highest incarceration rate on the face of this planet

    ….America having more freedom than China or Russia lol. .

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:05 PM

    Once the london tube, paris metro or ny subway is bombed then see how fast boots will be on the ground

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    Sep 27th 2014, 5:32 AM

    The boots are already on the ground, their proxy head hacking terrorists including the rebls and ISIS all have an interest in ousting the Syrian government.

    Remember, this opperation is all about the Syrian Government.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:49 PM

    All this hot air about ISIS is just an excuse to get NATO in the door of Syria and turn it into another battlefield like IRAQ. .

    The bloodshed will commence as soon as the first allied plane gets blown out of the sky irrespective of fault.

    NATO will leave more bloodshed in Syria than all the head hacking terrorist organisations so far combined as we have witnessed right through the middle east so far. .

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:22 PM

    Here is one of Franks videos on You Tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr6rp0HYgQ8

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:05 PM

    What a nice game of Whac-A-Mole they’re playing!

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:08 PM

    A very serious matter – unlike you rigg…….

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:13 PM

    Have we learnt nothing? The last invasion of Iraq resulted in a rise in extremism and Islamic terrorism around the globe that is continuing now. US drone strikes carried out almost always result in mainly civilian deaths. This is an ideological war, we can’t just fight it with firepower. Iraq and Syria have their own airforces, as do Turkey and Iran. They should be the ones carrying out the airstrikes, as well as fighting them on the ground along with Kurdish forces and Shia militias. The most the west should do is provide supplies and training to those who need it, as is currently happening with Kurdish peshmerga forces. The UK does not need to carry out these airstrikes, there are countries in that region who can do it.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:15 PM

    Says Rigg from Bohola……..

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:16 PM

    If the UK goes back in it will just turn into a perpetual war that we will never get out of. IS came into existence because of western military interference in the region, and it will not be destroyed by it. It certainly won’t be destroyed by military might alone. As I said, it is an ideological war.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:16 PM

    What’s bohola?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:17 PM

    Thank you Danny Rigg it’s a relief that someone here can think straight.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:44 PM

    Danny – The point of no return has already been passed. We can all agree that the current situation in the MidEast is a result of British and American foreign policy. They are a major factor in causing this mess, but that doesn’t change the fact that the present situation needs to be dealt with. Regardless of past governments involvement, the situation that exists today with ISIS and radical Islam has to be confronted by the West. We need to show those medieval savages the power of the West. They think we are weak because we are so liberal. They are in for a rude awakening

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:49 PM

    No one is denying that this needs to be dealt with, but the West has a terrible track record in the Middle East and with the war on terror, so why should we expect this time to be any different? The West should deal with IS-related actions and jihadis on their own turf, and also provide supplies and training to groups like the Kurds and the Iraq army, as well as removing support for the Syrian rebels, but the airstrikes and the actual fighting has to be left to the Kurds, Iraqis, Syrians, Turkish, Iranians and also the Shia militias. They are capable of doing it without the West sending in planes

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:54 PM

    Danny, there is a bit of a dilemma there – many of those who think the US/UK/NATO created the mess also think the same people should clear up the mess. You appear to think they should leave the mess for someone else to clear up.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:58 PM

    No. They should help others to deal with IS. As in, the countries who are directly threatened by IS in that region. Like Iraq, Syria, Iran, Turkey, Kurdish forces and Shia militias

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:00 PM

    “We can all agree that the current situation in the MidEast is a result of British and American foreign policy.”

    Terror groups and religious extremists have existed in the Middle East for centuries and the region has been in an almost perpetual state of warfare since before the times of the Roman Empire.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:07 PM

    You understand this is a coalition involving several arab states Danny, not just the US acting unilaterally?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:10 PM

    Jason Culligan, you’re missing the “current situation” thing.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:12 PM

    Avian, obviously. My argument is that the US, UK and France should not be leading the coalition and should not be carrying out airstrikes. And they most definitely shouldn’t be carrying them out in Syria.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:16 PM

    Whac-a-mole is a great description for US/western foreign policy.

    Washington’s approach may seem erratic and inconsistent, but in the Machiavellian dimension of power players makes sense.

    Western/Middle East relations have now reached a point where your enemies enemy could be your friend or enemy. Your friends may, also, be your enemy. While your sworn enemies may really be your friends…. for now.

    Who’s the schizophrenic the Sunni’s, the Shia’s, Israel, the US? Or all the above?

    ” Late to the party have been the religious authorities in Saudi Arabia. It wasn’t until Aug. 19, with a little apparent prodding from the Saudi King, that Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh, the kingdom’s grand mufti, publicly denounced ISIS as “enemy No. 1 of Islam.” The delayed condemnation, suggests David D. Kirkpatrick in The New York Times, citing Muslim scholars, may be because ISIS’s extremist theology is based on the Saudis’ Wahhabi school of Islam.”

    http://m.theweek.com/speedreads/index/268756/speedreads-religious-scholars-blame-saudi-arabia-for-isiss-theology

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:05 PM

    Danny
    Don’t know why you got so many red thumbs see nothing wrong in your comment

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    Sep 27th 2014, 6:17 AM

    Jason Cullinhan, but dictators like Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi and Assad have managed to keep the lid on the dust bin in their countries (before the us sent in their proxy terrorist fighters)

    The most noteable atrocities that happen once NATO get involved is the desicration, destruction and slaughter of Christians. Saddam Hussein protected is Christians, as did Assad. a lot more than US head hacking rebels that replaced them could do.

    We will soon witness the same mass slaughter of Christians in Syria once Assad is ousted.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 6:55 AM

    Well at least you’ve finally acknowledged that Assad is a dictator – up until now you’ve been claiming he was democratically elected! I’d agree he’s reasonably benign as dictators go, but he’s still a dictator.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:56 PM

    Drop a hape load of daisy cutters on the lot of them.shower of pigs

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    Sep 27th 2014, 5:35 AM

    Something like this could well happen taking out thousands of innocent civilians at the same time…but that is acceptable in these regime changing wars, its called “collateral damage”.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:49 PM

    Danny Rigg,
    Think there are 5(?) Arab countries taking part in air strikes plus France as well as UK and USA.
    Big problem is (as the US found out in Vietnam) that wars are not won by Air strikes and artillery, it takes tanks and infantry on street corners, in woods, sand dunes etc. So we can logically expect. Larger commitment of ground troops eventually. There might be a chance by using SF to kill leaders etc along with bombardments but I have my doubts.
    This is not looking good at all. I do agree though that IS need destroying. Where possible though it should be other Islamic States (The Arab world, Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria etc)

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:00 PM

    how do you destroy Is then?
    in about or 5 or 6 years time the truth will come out about this like saddams wmds. but hey that doesn’t, they will just roll out more propaganda and the irish sheep will be herded along again
    as the saying goes, once you wake up you never go back to SHEEP

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:07 PM

    Steve, the most likely scenario is that the coalition will be looking to use Syrian army, FSA, Peshmerga and Iraqi army forces to combat IS on the ground while they are hammered from the air.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:09 PM

    its the innocent men woman and children going to get slaughtered that is so sad in all of this, when will this war for profit end?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:10 PM

    the west brit knuckledraggers and their red thums down

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:19 PM

    Steve, there is no need for the US, UK or France to be carrying out airstrikes. All the countries in the region have the ability to carry them out. No forces from the West can be put on the ground there, it is ridiculous to suggest that. We need to support the groups already fighting, but not actually join the fight.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:19 PM

    Jason this is all about protecting the petrodollar !

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:58 PM

    Jason,
    Exactly as we’ve seen using Western troops can aggravate the situation, all those you mention are Islamic States and I’m sure most see IS as a threat and would be too happy to see IS destroyed.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:02 PM

    Danny
    Think you’ve misunderstood me
    1. I pointed out that Arab forces are being used.
    2. At no point did I say I agreed with French, US or UK aircraft being used.
    3. I did not and do not advocate the use of Western ground forces simply pointed out that wars are won by tanks and infantry (with supporting arms of course) taking and holding ground.
    Western forces being used would lead to an even greater mess, which is why I said Islamic.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 10:03 PM

    The diff between vietnam and today is that now we can pinpoint targets via satellite and therefore dont need carpet bombing

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    Sep 27th 2014, 5:51 AM

    Stephen Earle… the difference between Vietnam and today we can pinpoint targets…they don’t use carpet bombing…

    Your talking utter sh*te.. No mentioned of the “highway of death” in Iraq, no doubt we will soon see the same in Syria when the battle switches to Assad.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Demolished_vehicles_line_Highway_80_on_18_Apr_1991.jpg

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:19 PM

    when are they goin to bomb westmonster

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:44 PM

    is that the one with bog ben

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:54 PM

    What’s going to happen when the first pilot or air crew is shot down or crashes over there. When they’re paraded in another sickening video. Then they’re decapitated for the world to see. Ground forces will then be used. This isn’t going to be short and the loss of life will be big. God bless us, we are in for another few years of horrible news. I’d take a world financial crash or recession any day.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 11:24 PM

    Hezbollah are fighting isis on the ground , guess they’re not the evil villains the media portrays them as !!

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:48 PM

    At least, the UK is doing something. Here, all we do is talk – and criticise…..

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    Sep 26th 2014, 9:43 PM

    Am I right in saying the readership of this site are strongly right wing?

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    Sep 26th 2014, 6:53 PM

    best of luck to the islam Irish brigade, safe home boys

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    Mute Jason Culligan
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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:08 PM

    Yep, safe home to Syria if that’s what you’re saying. There should be no home for them here if they want to fight for the IS.

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    Sep 26th 2014, 7:15 PM

    safe home to rome for the catholics

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:26 PM

    They want it… Let them have it.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 1:05 AM

    The cycle continues ISIS, Al Queda, provos, Basque separatists! ….
    Anyone in any Govt actually start wondering how and why Terrorists exist?
    Because of dreadful barbarity by both Britain and the US we now find extremist factions popping ip all over the place!
    Its an ideological Terrorist Orgy from Africa to the middle east- unfortunately its got to a stage that they can’t win- eradicate ISIS like they did Al Queda? ?
    This is going yo continue to spiral!
    When the British negotiated with the IRA we got peace! I fear past sins will help continue this stupid cycle of violence for decades!

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    Sep 26th 2014, 8:38 PM

    They don’t like it uppem!!!!!

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    Sep 27th 2014, 7:26 AM

    They have found a stepping stone to go in after Assad without having to worry about Russia’s reaction. If I believed half the stuff that conspiracy nuts do I would say this all sounds deliberate.

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    Sep 27th 2014, 5:25 AM

    Sorry but how is invading another country thousands of miles away protecting your country and to put ur own armed forces your own people in harms way going to help the people of Afghanistan sorry Mr Cameron but the brits will never beat guerilla warfare they never have and they never will it’s like bush/Blair again #uwillneverbeatgurillawarefare

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    Sep 27th 2014, 12:03 AM

    Hope this Crusade sorts things out

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    Sep 27th 2014, 2:25 AM

    All these “extremists” want is publicity for their “cause”.. And what does the western work give them 24/7… Publicity… Ignore them., don’t tolerant them.., don’t allow it…

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    Sep 27th 2014, 1:13 AM

    Its is playing into ISIS’s hands perhaps, very clever operators they know what their doing,
    1st get peoples attention with crimes that provoke and insight actions 2nd play the victim when confronted with airstrikes 3. Get fresh waves of brainwashed idiots to fight your wars .

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    Sep 27th 2014, 2:42 AM

    Blow them to their so called paradise

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