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BRITISH WARPLANES FLEW their first mission over Iraq today since being given parliamentary authority to strike at Islamic State jihadists, the Ministry of Defence in London said.
Royal Air Force Tornado GR4 combat jets, armed with Paveway IV laser-guided bombs, took off from Britain’s RAF Akrotiri base on Cyprus.
In an operation that began before dawn, the jets were loaded with Paveways before taking off from the Mediterranean island.
British lawmakers on Friday voted overwhelmingly to join the US-led air strikes in northern Iraq.
US bombing in Syria has disrupted the IS group’s lucrative oil-pumping operations, the Pentagon has said.
Six Tornados have been based on Cyprus since last month. They have been conducting reconnaissance missions over Iraq, but their role will now change to striking IS targets following parliament’s vote.
The vote followed a formal request for help from the Iraqi government.
“We can confirm that, following parliamentary approval given yesterday, RAF Tornados continue to fly over Iraq and are now ready to be used in an attack role as and when appropriate targets are identified,” a Ministry of Defence spokesman said.
“For operational security reasons we will not be providing a running commentary on movements; we will provide an update on activity when it is appropriate to do so.”
Parliament’s lower House of Commons voted by a majority of 524 to 43 after the main political parties all approved military action.
IS’s brutal abuses against civilians, rival fighters and Arab and Western hostages, as well as its success in recruiting Western members, have triggered international alarm.
British Prime Minister David Cameron said today that the RAF was there to “play our part.
“We are one part of a large international coalition,” he said during a visit to Didcot, southern England.
“But the crucial part of that coalition is that it is led by the Iraqi government, the legitimate government of Iraq, and its security forces. We are there to play our part and help deal with this appalling terrorist organisation.”
Besides the Tornados, the RAF also has a Rivet Joint spy plane in the region which is stepping up surveillance efforts to identify potential targets.
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Good. Blow them to hell
With every bomb dropped over it’s target let’s think of what these murderers done to these totally innocent men who were beheaded all of the people who had to flee this is one time I hope that every bomb dropped meets it’s target and send them all to hell
Good luck Britain & try to avoid civilian killing.
That would be impossible, its in their nature to kill as war mongers.
Frank, as I said yesterday- blah blah blah.
Declan
The killing of innocents “blah blah blah”
That’s heartless
Glen. Its “Collateral Damage” to the usual site shills.
The over throwing of a democratically elected government is worth more than several hundred thousands of lives to them.
Savages is a better term fir them, Iraq, Libya and now Syria about to enter the blood bath.
Ablitive how would you describe the victims of IS, beheaded, for what ???? fanaticism
ISIS was created by the west to cause termoil, America has been funding and arming foreign proxy terrorists in their failed quest to oust Assad several years now and are in the process of arming
15000 more.
America is the problem, not isis, if you want to get rid of ISIS you let Iran and Syria do the job and as I keep saying America, its allies and ISIS have a conflict of interest. They all want rid of Assad.
Frank, your grasping at straws.
Frank “The over throwing of a democratically elected government is worth more than several hundred thousands of lives to them”
What Democratically Elected government have they overthrown?
you are right all these rights privileges boring lets go live in a state under sharia law
Have a read frank!
Britain should stop being such a lapdog to the US, this is rushing in prematurely and unthinkingly.
Actually the UK we’re one of the last countries along with Belguim and Danmark to join in. It started with USA and France along with Arab states first. To be honset most British people are sick of having to go do things likes this we would rather love it if someone else stepped up and took part in stuff like this!
Didn’t the Iraqi government ask for help? Or did I mis-read it.
Re Ms Ellie
The strikes in Syria by the US and UK etc are illegal under International Law. Remember that the next time Western hypocrites talk about Russia violating International Law. The strikes are not just occurred in Iraq.
How exactly are they illegal?
There are only two scenarios under which international law allows military action:
1. Self Defense (Eg Afghanistan)
2. A military action authorized by the UN Security Council to deal with a ”threat to international peace and security” (eg the first Gulf War, Korea)
But it does not matter because there are people out there on both sides of the equation, who can’t see the facts for the facts, and only see the world through the prisim of the agenda they are pushing.
For example the always pro-US drum beaters will only see Russia breaking international law in Ukraine and never say a word about the US doing the same in Iraq in 2003, and the supposedly anti-war crowed will be loud about the US in 2003 and have not a word to say about Russia in 2014.
The entire thing is colored by rank hypocricy.
Re Chief
Your very question displays your total lack of understanding what International Law is.
It is illegal. The airstikes are illegal. Washington seems to think that the more they get to join their coalition the more legal the strikes become. This is not the case.
@Horgay
UK aren’t part of the coalition currently hitting IS in Syria.
Ok I’ll play as dumb as possible here. The Russian’s, Chinese, Koreans and every other country are saying the uk and us are breaking international law? Or is it just yourself that’s saying it. That’s a genuine question.
The attacks on ISIS are legal.
The attacks in Iraq are done so at the invitation of the Iraqi government. For all intents and purposes, the Americans are proxies to the Iragi State and so the attacks on ISIS are an act of Iraqi self-defence.
The right of self-defence includes the right to attack ISIS when they cross the border into Syria.
http://jurist.org/hotline/2014/07/bilal-khan-force-isis.php
It is also worth remembering that Syria are also at war with ISIS and they are hardly likely to object to ISIS being attacked.
Gen Dempsey has said that they’re ready to train and arm 15000 more Syrian rebels. Isn’t all this ISIS crap a result of them doing this since 2012 in Syria? The moderate rebels defect over and join the ranks of ISIS? And ISIS are already well funded by oiligarchs from Saudi Arabia and Qatar! This is a complete mess of a situation, whether it was intentional or not , the west, the U.S. In particular have to raise their hand and admit fault that their reckless training and arming of rebels to overthrow a government has backfired.
Horgay, where have been the last few days, uk is not bombing is within Syria, did you miss that bit ??
I agree Ryan, as i said above, the US has announced its ready to arm and train 15000 more Syrian ‘rebels’.what would they do if Putin publicly declared he was going to arm, fund, and train 15000 pro-russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine?? And btw, that would still be more justified than helping the rebels in Syria considering the rebels in Ukraine are fighting in self defense, not to overthrow a government as in Syria.
It’s not a matter of opinion it’s a matter of fact, the UN Charter (Which is the cornerstone of international law) only allows military action in two circumstances.
The International Criminal Court defines a war of aggression like this:
”Any of the following acts, regardless of a declaration of war, shall, in accordance with United Nations General Assembly resolution 3314 (XXIX) of 14 December 1974, qualify as an act of aggression:
(a) The invasion or attack by the armed forces of a State of the territory of another State….
(b) Bombardment by the armed forces of a State against the territory of another State or the use of any weapons by a State against the territory of another State….”
also…applying directly to us….
”(f) The action of a State in allowing its territory, which it has placed at the disposal of another State, to be used by that other State for perpetrating an act of aggression against a third State;”
I think Horgay you display your lack of understanding of international. There is a good explanation below your comment. Basic issue is self defence and you can construct a strong legal argument that as IS has threatened to bring beheadings to British streets, that people associated with IS have tried that and encourage it, they are acting in preemptive self defence.
See, as is pointed out above, this can qualify under the self defense clause if the local govts permission is given.
For example, nobody thought to buy us an air force, even a small one, during the boom years, not even 5-6 jets, nothing. Lets say a referendum in the north came back for unity, and a new civil war started, lets say there was a loyalist training camp on an island off the north coast. We don’t have an air force to attack it with, and land attack is too dangerous. If we get UK or US help for the RAF or USAF to bomb it for us, that’s still self defense because they have our permission.
It’s only an act of aggression if they attack our territory without our permission, eg Iraq in 2003 or Ukraine in 2014
So this is a matter of black and white law, not opinion. Whatever you think about how smart this campaign is, its legal position is quite clear. The problem is you have so much hypocrisy on both sides with this because nobody likes it when the law is not on the side of their argument.
Interestingly there is one body that should have authorized this war that was not asked, which might make it illegal in terms of that body…the United States Congress…
UK….are not attacking targets in Syria, never have and prob won’t because the vote said Iraq only
Horgay won’t be back. He’ll just do like the other clowns and move onto the next article
Horgay, Isis are illegal and I’m thinking that Syria has no problem with the west bombing them.
You yourself called on the west to target them months ago.
Your a hypocrit.
You’re right. The west should sit down with ISIS and hammer out an agreement.
Re Ahippo
Again, you haven’t got a clue. Read up what defence is under International Law. It in no way even remotely applies to what you are saying. What you are depicting is a layman’s reasoning for International Law. It doesn’t work that way.
Re Chief.
Can you at least read a little on International Law.
Two recent reads of mine that are great re International Law:
Global Justice or Global Revenge? By Hans Kochler
Destroying Libya and World Order by Francis Boyle (this is great-it just deals with the facts and shows how the US and West have utterly disregarded International Law over the past few decades).
Horgay – if it was Iraq attacking ISIS in Syria would you consider that legal.
Re Bob
Iraq and Syria have security agreements. What they are, we don’t know, but Syria was launching air strikes in Iraq long before the West took any notice.
The West has no such agreements with Syria. The US airstikes and the ones by UAE etc in Syria are illegal under International Law. No question about it.
Horgay, the very fact that you use a phrase like ‘no question about it’ in relation to international law demonstrates your true level of knowledge.
The US forces are attacking ISIS at the request of Iraq, they are as if it was Iraq carrying out the attacks themselves and are therefore legal. This is a simple case of big state coming to the aid of a little state.
Finally, for there to be even a question of the attacks being illegal, Syria would have to first raise an objection to the attacks taking place on their soil – which to my knowledge they have not done so to date and I would be very surprised if they did, given that they are also at war with ISIS. In the unlikely event that Syria did raise an objection, the attacks on ISIS in Syrian territory would still be legal as
ISIS are attacking Iraq and it would be unreasonable to expect Iraq to stop attacking them just because they crossed a border.
(apols for two posts – the first one just posted by itself)
Perhaps people missed it but…Washington just pulled a little regime change manoeuvre in Iraq, using ISIL as leverage, they didn’t give a fuhk about them til they got what they wanted, and they’ve been using ISIL for regime change in Syria, what we’re seeing here regards the Airstrikes is nothing, very little has been done to affect this group.
I suggest you read the book – “look at what IS are doing to other humans” after you get your head around it then you can switch back to your constant west bashing. Actually why not head out there and sit with your buddies that’ll agree with you.
@Horgay
“Global Justice or Global Revenge” and “Destroying Libya and World Order”??
Yeah yhey sound like objective and unbiased reads! :-D
Re Bob
What alternate reality are you from? You are saying it’s ok under International Law to bomb parts of a country without that countries consent. Hmm….
I think it’s time you go back to bed.
Horgay, how do you know that Syria has not consented to the attacks?
Clearly, it would be awkward for Syria and the US to be seen to cooperating with each other, but that doesn’t mean there are no back channels coordinating this thing.
And yes, it would be legal to bomb a country without their consent under international law, if you were not in control of the area being bombed and it was occupied by an enemy force.
Declan Noonan if ISIS is illegal why did the US arm them to the teeth in the first place?
For any legitimate government to support terrorists is highly illegal, Adolph Hitler didn’t stoop to that level, he fought with legitimate soldiers, not with proxy un tracible head hackers.
Why dose America continue to break international law and still illegally support terrorists when hiring the moderate Syrian Rebels. (ISIS of Syria).
Do you want me yo quote academic articles and counsel’s opinion Horgay?
Horgay do you feel conflicted?
I mean for months you’ve been going on about “western-backed terrorists” wreaking havoc in Syria and killing innocents, but now when someone actually does something to try and stop it you’re whining that these same people are being attacked illegally (highly debatable btw).
Don’t you find your current stance somewhat ironic, or is the contradiction ok as long as it fits with the anti-western narrative?
Joe, you really are a strange creature aren’t you. I don’t know if you’re having a big laff hete or your serious. If you are serious then you seriously have a problem with your idea of reality. You seem to live in some sort of cartoon world, not the real one
Care to explain that Mr. Earle? You never seem to contribute anything to the discussion other than snide remarks and vitriol about other commentators, most people your age usually have wisdom and knowledge, you seem to have neither.
You’re a fair man to be talking about ad hominem attacks Joe!!
I think the irony of your last post must be lost on you Joe…
Joe, i enjoy reading the total crap that comes from people like you here in the journal, it makes laugh. There is no point making serious comments here because there are weird people like you here which make it all a mockery. There are half a dozen of you like glen and ablitive etc who are possessed with major warped brains and don’t really seem to be on the same planet as the rest pf the readers.
To have you attempt to lecture me is so laughable that i don’t really know how to tell you how ridiculous you really are. I don’t profess to know enough about what is really going on in the middle east only what i see and hear via the normal media outlets so, unlike you, I’m not gonna make stupid, weird, odd, nonsensical, strange,insane, tinfoil hat type comments. When you grow up joe (mentally i mean) maybe you will say something that makes real world sense until then i will talk s;hit about because it you deserve nothing more, ok ?
Nah it’s not Avina, I know I can be a bit like that meself the odd time, but every time I see this aul lads face in the comments section I know its gonna nothing but smelly piss.
Right so Stephen, so you don’t come to the journal to have a serious discussion you just come on to troll people who have an alternative view to yourself as to how the world works, you just said so in many more words, quite frankly, for a man of your age, that’s just pathetic. Kind of ironic too you’re telling me to grow up mentally when you’re the one displaying the mental midgetry old man.
Re Joe
Well said.
Re Stephen.
You can’t take anything at face value from the mainstream media. I mean I’ve been saying for over three years now that Turkey was arming and training fanatical Islamic jihadists and allowing them to freely move across its border with Syria. I’ve used countless independent journalists articles and alternative media outlets to prove this. You Stephen would call all that rubbish. Yet when the ex US Ambassador to Turkey comes out and says exactly that that Turkey is heavily aiding these Islamic jihadists there is nowhere for members of the mob, such as yourself Stephen, to run.
When you, joe, ever write something that sounds like it was written by a rational, sentient being then i may take you seriously. Until then you are just a joke to me and yes i may be old and should be wiser but at least i can understand what seems to make sense here and what is just the weird ramblings of a freak like yourself.
I love the reactions people give off when their perception of reality is challenged, perhaps you can muster up the courage and composure to watch this hour long video, ‘Who is REALLY behind ISIL’, you might actually learn something from it, and it’s not presented by some raving mad lunatic like Alex Jones, so why don’t you give it a go, prove yourself to be a rational individual, or give over with the rants against me and other people on here, do we have a deal Mr. Earle?
Horgay,
During the Syrian Civil War, multiple parties in the conflict have accused Assad of collusion with the Islamic State to some degree. Several sources have claimed that ISIS prisoners were strategically released from Syrian prisons at the beginning of the Syrian Civil War in 2011. The Assad regime has bought oil directly from both ISIS and Al Qaeda affiliate the al-Nusra Front. United States Secretary of State John Kerry has stated that the Assad regime has tactically avoided Islamic State forces in order to weaken moderate opposition such as the Free Syrian Army, as well as “even purposely ceding some territory to them [ISIS] in order to make them more of a problem so he can make the argument that he is somehow the protector against them”. The National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces has stated that the Assad regime has operatives inside ISIS, as has the leadership of Ahrar ash-Sham. ISIS members captured by the FSA have claimed that they were directed to commit attacks by Assad regime operatives.
Joe, ^
Frank, ^
Sort of true to a degree in the fact that tactically the SAA is not overstretching itself on multiple fronts, and is concentrating on the central and western provinces where most of the major cities are, but the idea that they are colluding with and even doing business deals with ISIL is laughable, both sides have carried out serious offensives against each other and the SAA have inflicted serious losses on ISIL since they made a move into Iraq in June, taking out most of the ISIL leadership in Raqqa, I can post battle and operation reports if you like Declan.
And don’t believe John Kerry Declan, the FSA is not moderate, neither is Skull and Bones.
Yes Joe, do post these reports.
That’s not to say they won’t venture into syriah would need to be voted on again but they already said that there not ruling anything out.
None of this would be necessary if George Bush and Tony Blair had not opened a Pandoras box by toppling Saddam
Over a million dead since, the entire region destabilized and a group that AlQaeda calls crazy on the up and up….(slow clap) well done guys….well done….
Not true, it may have been a mistake overthrowing Sadam but the whole region has been at war with one another for years. Iran v Iraq, Iraq annexed kuwait, as well as gasing kurds, Syria Lebanon etc have always been involved in some kind of war/battles. Very simple/silly thing to blame USA for all the middle east problems, they may be adding to the problems but this is one time I’m glad to see them involved. I hope they bomb IS Back to the stone age
@John you can’t lump the entire region in as one big piece of the puzzle.
It may be that the various countries were at war with each other, sporadically, here and there, but at any one time there was at least a balance of power, it was never the case before that one group, very hostile to the west and more extreme in it’s interpretation of Islam than even AlQaeda, had the possible connections ,logistical ability and manpower to take over several mid-east govts at once.
A danger that big has never occurred before.
The US own supposed ”allies” in Saudi Arabia are backing ISIS, the royal family there is 1000s of members wide and some of them are not big supporters of the deal with the west and are radical Islamists themselves, there is a very real danger Saudi arabia turns in time and that’s a disaster for much of the worlds oil supply…not us thankfully, but for the states at least.
I don’t blame the US for all the mid easts problems, but the Iraq war was, IMO (and incidentally, in the opinion of every US military officer I know) the biggest strategic blunder in American history.
If Saddam was still in power ISIS never would have got started and none of this would be happening.
@john. For one the Iran -Iraq war was a war that was being funded by the USA on both sides. The USA were happy to deal with Saddam during this period arming him to the teeth in return for oil. Look up the Iran Contra scandal.
The majority of wars and conflicts in the mid east has been a result of American and Russia proxy wars.
Dn there’s no denying USA played many differing roles in the area, funding etc, backing the Shah etc, then sadam but the problems are ethnic, religious and historical so you can’t blame USA for all the problems in the area
Right decision to go to war with Islamic State but how the hell does the West expect to defeat them by bombing them one day and then the next day actively try to overthrow Assad who is one man in the region leading an effective resistance against IS expansion. If Assad doesn’t win the civil war, we’ll be bombing the Middle East for the next twenty years.
They don’t know what to do. The only people who know for sure what their strategy here is are the arms industry and their lobbyists in Washington, London and Brussels. We can’t let these whack-jobs take over the middle east and control the worlds oil supply, but I’m not sure this is the smartest way to do it, these better be very precision strikes because if we learned one thing from the last war it’s that the west bombing the middle east leads to more terrorism not less. A pentagon report on the Iraq war showed support for AlQaeda affiliated groups at least tripled because of the Iraq war. Some of that was related to bombings but most not.
A lot of the support for terrorism that came out of the Iraq was was as a result of war crimes by ground troops like the Abu Graib scandal. Thankfully they’re not sending troops back in this time, only special forces who are in, do their mission and out again.
This is a very very blurry grey situation despite what many are saying.
ISIS hadn’t directly threatened the US before the US started bombing them, but how did the US bombing started? To protect the Yassidi trapped up those mountains by hitting the guys at the bottom of the mountains ready to attack and murder them. I think ISIS is smart, they’re playing a recruitment game here, it may be that they did the beheadings to provoke bombings because they learned from the Iraq war that such attacks often = more support.
The threat ISIS poses to the European and US Homeland, IMO, is total bs they’re not that much of a threat, the national security infrastructure that’s been built up now is well used to the kind of tactics they’d be using, they’ve disrupted at least 60 major and minor plots since 9/11 with only two major attacks (7/7 and Madrid) happening since. Even if ISIS is no threat, realistically, pragmatically, they can’t let these guys topple the mid east govts, GeoPolitically that’s far too dangerous.
Its more than possible for it to be the right thing to do to fight them, and be sicked at the arms industry salivating at the thought of another war. The world is grey, there is nothing wrong with seeing it that way.
@Ryan
Re. Threat from IS to western countries, as the RA once said, “you have to be lucky all the time, we only have to be lucky once”…
They are not the same threat they were. They’ve taken a lot of measures to contain the threat of terrorism since 9/11. We hear about the abuse of these measures like the surveillance all the time but the public never hears about the legit stuff.
9/11 happened because there was no one agency crunching all the intel. FBI had a bit, CIA had a bit, and they had these inter agency p1ssing contests where they never shared their data. Now they have threat fusion centers and the National CounterTerrorism Centre, files on every suspected terrorist leader, high capacity servers scanning for combinations of keywords in phone convos and emails (thats what they mean when they say they’ve picked up ”chatter”). All the intel is crunched and looked at now the p1ssing contests are over.
Even some of their biggest plans have been foiled like attempts to deploy chemecal weapons and in the mid 2000s an attempt by a Pakistani scientist, and later a Russian military officer, to sell HEU (they key ingredient in making a crude nuke)
I don’t think ISIS are that focused on attacking the west, I think they’re provoking them into more strikes to gain more support at home to help get to their real goal, to gain power in the mid east, their focus is taking control at home not fumbling around subways in NY.
Exactley! Let Saudi Arabia deal with it? They have over 700 fighter jets! Let them do the air strikes! The fact the west are involved suggests ulterior motives.
Yeh, watching Obamas speech one of the hosts pointed out it could be George Bush in 2003, it’s kinda sad to see them back down this road with a guy who was elected as the anti-war President.
I don’t think we need to dulge into conspiracy theories I think this is painfully simple:
They don’t want ISIS to take over the mid east, there are elements in the Saudi govt who won’t lift a finger or will actively obstruct an effort to get rid of them, and the arms industry lobby is rubbing their hands with glee at the big payday
Its 500….
But its still one of the biggest & best inventories in the world…
And yes, its largely from the KSA that isisy were born.
They should bear the burden of their destruction…… But won’t.
DN, Saudi, Bahrain, Jordan, UAE and Qatar are carrying out airstrikes in Syria. The only ‘western’ country involved in the Syrian aspect of the operation against ISIS is the US. Saudi and the UAE dropped the vast majority of the bombs in the third round of strikes…
Its not right america and britain are the cause of all wars there robed and raped the world
Martin that not factually correct , every single advanced civilisations throughout history has caused unrest and division in less advanced regions , if anything this is just a natural progression of how fundamentally how fking nuts we are as a species
True dublinJohnny, the Dutch, Spanish French, Russians etc were equally as bad. Because we were on the receiving end of the brits we always imagine they were worse than others
Pi:: off, thats traitorous talk!!’
Stephen Earle .. Its sad but true.. The Imperialists are only robbing back their colonies again..
Ahem.. WW2? Didn’t the Germans start that along with the Japan?
Typical paddy crusties. Moaning about the western conflicts in the region and then moaning when western powers go in to clean it up. You lot won’t be happy until your socialist Islamic superstate is fully formed.
The problem here is that they are only giving the illusion that they are cleaning things up.
Western Powers cannot survive without their wars and bloodshed, its all about oil, arms trades and greed.
Isis is currently the best excuse to topple Assad’s regime and rape his country of its resources so they are hardly going to wipe out something that they spent the last three years perfecting.
Did you have a sneezing fit while typing that? None of what you wrote makes sense. Idiot.
What AB says here never ever makes sense
Amen!
What resources does Syria have Frank?
Ahippo Oil resources for starters of which America’s proxy ground troops (ISIS) have currently captured.
Stephen Earle.. What I say certainly would not make much sense to someone like yourself that is brainwashed on this subject by tabloid press.
OK Frank, so US proxies ISIS have stolen all the oil, but now the US are bombing the oil infrastructure… How does that one work?
Avina Laaf Yes they are doing what they are good at, bombing the place to oblivion. Not to worry, when Assad will be ousted, their corporate contractors will move in and rape the country clean.
How much oil does Syria have Frank?
Should add joe to that list, a list that is growing
Ab, you don’t make sense, what you write is not just nonsense its weird, off the planet nonsense. Jose complains that all i do is criticise, well yes because i read such crap and i comment on it. Because i don’t make a constructive comment is because I’m like many here who, mistakenly make statements based on american shock jockeys, eastern bloc press and other ‘reliable’ sources. Dont come knocking me for making snide remarks because, frankly, your not worthy of anything better
Ps, ditch the i’m in there about ill informed comments, bad typing!!!
We’re all missing something here. This doesn’t make any sense, well the way it is being portrayed anyway. The West has not gone into Libya and it’s far worse there. Anybody know what the geopolitical implications are here that I’m missing?
Iraq is their main worry because they spent trillions and thousands of lives turning it into a pro-US state. Most of the ISIS strongholds are in Iraq and Syria.
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.mirror.co.uk%2Fincoming%2Farticle3795190.ece%2Falternates%2Fs615%2FISIS_MAP.jpg&f=1
IS aren’t in Libya in significant numbers
All going to plan for these bas*****…..the next step will be a false flag against a European City or US City and that will be the excuse to send in troops in the name of freedom …….you can read these monsters like a book……….
Mad British bombers at War yet again- Peace just fly’s over their heads-
Shut up Jarry
Brits doing what they’re good at; blowing the sh*t out of other countries.
Child murdering british bstards
Gob shite, Is are murdering innocent men women and children. Go and visit the area and see how you get on, as they say, you’ll get your head handed to you
the brits have been murdering men women and children for hundreds of years you gob shite.
Why don’t you get over the past
the past is causing the pesent
Untruth, truthy ruth !!’
It won’t be too long before they will make a block buster movie of all this..
Hollywood as it is..
American or the UK has to Intervene in a war nothing to do with them.
Supply weapons and training to group A against group B.
Group A who has received the weapons and training wins war.
Winning group A now goes rogue and attacks other groups of people with said weapons.
American and Uk has to intervene in a war nothing to do with them.
Supply weapons and training to group C over group A.
Group C who has received the weapons and training wins war.
Winning group C now goes rogue and attacks other groups of people with said weapons.
American or the UK has to Intervene in a war nothing to do with them.
Supply weapons and training to group D against group C.
Group D who has received the weapons and training wins war.
Winning group D now goes rogue and attacks other groups of people with said weapons.
Repeat.
Good luck guys! Make a whole “parking lot” dowm there… they don’t deserve other ground than the one 6ft. under…
US needs 15,000 more head hacking terrorist ground troops in Syria.
“Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, says the United States needs to arm and train 15,000 “moderate” militants to dislodge the ISIL terrorist group in Syria.”
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/09/27/380204/dempsey-us-needs-15000-militants/
McCain looks after his Moderate Terrorist recruits.
Hope they fly over there and drop 40 megatonnes of democracy right onto their commie heads! Support our gaddawwwwmmm troops buddy! Right on!
…….tossers..
No they are saving all that 40 megatonnes of democracy for removing the Syrian Government.
Lets remove the American and UK governments for the murder of over a million people on a pack of lies in 2003 ………..they need to removed NOW…
They were both removed.
By the voters of each country.
(Or term limits).
You aren’t the brightest, are you?
No business cat , I mean remove the secret governments that run the show…….you see Blair is a murderer and Cameron….different parties same policies and you are calling me stupid….lol…..keep believing Cat keep believing and sucking satans knob…..lol
Business Cat – If voting made a difference they wouldn’t let you do it
JB. Secret Government!! Ahh ok. You haven’t been taking your meds again.
Freedom……USA , USA , USA …..lol…..the mental picture is disturbing ….
Lol……the main aim here guys is to topple Assad and murder his wife and children. They could not win the Parliament the first time but low and behold ISIS pop up , trained by the CIA in Jordan and then flooded into Libya and from there into Syria…..
@Leviathan dont worry were just sitting back waiting to have a good aul foo king laugh at you Brits when the British Islamists that you have allowed to exist and grow within your own boarders start tearing the hole out of your national identity
soon the brits will HARK BACK at the good old IRA when isis start bombing their cities
Already over the skies of Iraq waiting to go … Are they nuclear powered now ?
Refueling aircraft flying with them
Nuclear powered planes, what planet are you on ? And if you are referring to nuclear weapons then you really are a fruitcake
Stephen Earle.. These war mongering and terrorist enabling psychopaths are certainly pushing for a nuclear war in the middle east..
So ablitive, if they have fooled all of us mainstream media sheeple with so many deceptions and we’re all gullible enough to believe everything, why haven’t they nuked them and duped us already. I wouldn’t mind the occasional conspiracy theory just for giggles, but you just don’t seem to give this crap much thought.
denisj Frank doesn’t think period. He lives in his own paranoid little world where one secret government rules most of the world and all the those in the secret government are really lizard men.
Oil.
I’m kind of hoping some of them will get shot down
So how do the countries decide who bombs where in Iraq?
The Brits decide they want to bomb and get active after the beheading….are the americans telling them where to do it?
The more countries these IS dudes p**s off the more countries that will be lining up to bomb.
Are they the same aircraft that patrols our sky’s at night keeping us safe snuggled under our Douvet at nightGod the bless the RAF
Destroy the dirty Islamic State. Drop a bomb on “Dr” Ali Selim here in Dublin. We don’t need his hate speeches!
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