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Patrick Cooney and James Connolly Heron at Moore Street. Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland

Vote on contentious 1916 museum delayed AGAIN

The ‘land swap’ deal is opposed by Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin, the Greens and People Before Profit.

Updated at 7.20pm

MEMBERS OF DUBLIN City Council will not vote on the contentious Moore Street ‘land swap’ deal as planned this evening.

Speaking at the beginning of tonight’s meeting, Lord Mayor Christy Burke informed councillors that the leaders of each party on the council had agreed to postpone the vote as “additional information” has arisen in relation to Number 10, Moore St.

Burke said that while the vote could take place next week, the council may need a number of weeks to consider the new information.

Councillors were expected to vote down the deal today — meaning that a proposed 1916 museum at the site won’t go ahead in its current planned form.

Sinn Féin, Fianna Fáil, People Before Profit and the Greens all plan to oppose the proposal from Council bosses, as the local authority holds its monthly meeting this evening. A number of Independent councillors are also expected to vote against it.

This is not the first time the vote has been delayed.

Members were initially due to vote on the plan at last month’s meeting, but the decision was kicked down the road for four weeks in the hope that a compromise could be achieved.

Discussions between councillors and developers Chartered Land did take place over recent weeks, members said. However, it appears little has been achieved — and the political groupings on the council haven’t altered their fundamental positions on the project.

Even it the deal was accepted at this evening’s meeting, the proposed project would have had a deadline of just two weeks before the 2016 centenary celebrations. The latest delay means the proposal, if accepted, may well not be ready in time.

What’s being proposed?

In a nutshell, the plan would involve Chartered Land carrying out €9 million worth of restoration works to turn 14 to 17 Moore Street into a museum centre, with funding coming from NAMA. The Council would then take over ownership of the museum.

In exchange, the local authority would hand over numbers 24 and 25 Moore Street — currently the location of a cleaning depot. It’s planned that land would be used for the development of a large-scale shopping centre.

The leaders of the 1916 Rising surrendered in the building at 14-17 Moore Street, which is also the site of where the provisional government was headquartered during the Rising.

Those in favour of the project are arguing that it would represent positive progress in establishing a National Monument, which could be enjoyed by the whole city in time for the centenary.

Those against say the entire terrace of Moore Street, between Henry Street and Parnell Street, should be preserved. Some contend the issue of the ‘artificial’ deadline is forcing councillors’ hands, and that more time should be taken to get the project right.

That said, it’s a complex issue — and the debate has been rumbling on for years.

The views

Councillors on either side of the debate who spoke to TheJournal.ie this morning conceded that it would essentially be a case of “back to the drawing board” for the plan if, as expected, members vote ‘no’.

“It certainly is,” Councillor Seán Haughey of Fianna Fáil said.

“It would be really, really challenging [to complete the project] anyway, even if the vote is passed tonight. I personally don’t think it’s possible.”

I think it’s more important to get it right rather than rush into something that may not be feasable.

Haughey said he hoped the developers would reconsider the scale of their shopping centre project, and submit new plans.

It’s really not an ideal scenario to have a giant shopping mall dwarfing the National Monument.

Sinn Féin’s Michéal MacDonncha — who, like Haughey, also sits on the council’s Moore Street Advisory Committee — said the ‘land swap’ plan hadn’t changed significantly in the last month, in spite of the delay of the vote.

“Its basically the same proposal.

You’d end up having an island of history in an ultra-modern shopping centre.

People Before Profit councillors met this afternoon to discuss the project — but the group is also expected to vote against the plan in its current form.

The three Green members will also reject it, Councillor Ciarán Cuffe said.

Cuffe (who is also an architect) also hopes the result of the vote will help persuade Chartered Land to come back with a scaled-down plan, he said.

The current make-up of the Council [TheJournal.ie]

Those for…

Members of Labour and Fine Gael are expected to vote for the ‘land swap’ at this evening’s meeting — but the two parties have just 16 seats between them on the body, and look likely to lose the vote.

Veteran councillor Dermot Lacey — who leads the Labour group, and has been a longtime campaigner on the issue of Moore Street  — said the deal being offered was the only realistic way forward.

“When we started this campaign the objective was simply to preserve number 16 Moore Street.

“I think there’s a point in time where you have to realise you’ve got a lot more than you’ve asked for.

My view is, let’s get on with it.

Lacey added that he was concerned the current impasse may be indicative of  ”how the City Council is not going to run for the next five years”.

We seem to have a huge amount of councillors who know what they’re against, but haven’t worked out what they’re for.

“I think the package on offer is a good one, and I certainly will be voting for it.”

From Fine Gael, group leader Councillor Kieran Binchy agreed that the plan was “the only realistic proposal on the table”.

What we’re being asked to do is to swap the non-historic buildings in the ownership of the Council for the historic buildings in the ownership of the developers.

The package that was due to be voted on today “doesn’t affect the existing planning permission for a shopping centre” next to the site, Binchy said.

And he insisted that anyone who was interested in having a museum in place for 2016 “would vote yes” in this evening’s vote.

Additional reporting: Órla Ryan

The Council meeting began at 6.45pm this evening. You can keep an eye on proceedings live here — and follow the hashtag #DCC for updates from councillors. 

Originally posted at 11.28am.

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    Mute Uncle Mort
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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:07 AM

    More die from cold than heat as the numbers show and as fuel and energy prices increase more will suffer hypothermia.

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    Mute Jeff Kennedy
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    Jun 7th 2013, 3:14 PM

    Enviromaniacs love killing old people and africans in the name of carbonology .So now that warming is cooling and weather is only weather ,when a priest of carbonology says so, I look forward to the heatwave from the carbonite’s computers ,trying to explain why its snowing in September

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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:23 AM

    They died from shock obviously.

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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:11 AM

    We have seen the sun for the first time in six months and you have people running for cover……….

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    Mute Rónán O'Suilleabháin
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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:26 AM

    5 Cold days in a row = article on climate change
    5 Sunny days in a row = article on climate change
    Floods somewhere = article on climate change

    If you add up all those articles, the sum total of the conlusions is that 50 years from now our calendar year will stumble from flood, to heatwave, to big freeze, to hurricane force winds. Utter chaos.

    Oh, and there’ll also be an increase in average temperature of 0.5c.

    We’re doomed! Doomed I tells ya!

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    Jun 7th 2013, 11:29 AM

    What about the vitamin D, you get that from sunshine

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    Mute Jamie Edwards
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    Jun 7th 2013, 1:06 PM

    Clearly you do not understand the concept of climate change.

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    Mute Dave Harris
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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:40 AM

    ahhh come on 22 degrees is NOT a heat wave

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    Mute Chris O' Mahony
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    Jun 7th 2013, 2:09 PM

    According to this study, a heatwave is temperatures of over 25 degrees Celsius for two days or more.

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    Jun 7th 2013, 5:42 PM

    Lets be honest people, there is taxpayers hardearned money to be made, from this nonsense, first it was global warmng, then it was a mini ice age, so now its the coverall “climate change” well hopefully it wont change for a couple of weeks!!!

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    Mute Kevin Hunt
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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:08 AM

    Irish heatwaves – normal summer weather! Bring it on so! More of this please, even a little warmer would be nice!

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    Mute Adam Power
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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:09 AM

    Strong post in relation to the subject discussed.

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    Mute Ali Sheridan
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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:42 AM

    Awh come on guys this is the first bit of good weather we have had this year and u go and post an article like this, can we not just enjoy the weather and not complain for once.

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    Jun 7th 2013, 11:04 AM

    So sorry for posting this article Ali and ruining your day in the sun!

    Unfortunately this is a reality for many people and loved ones were lost. The research is warning people in the future that they need to be more careful in the sun. This article is not a complaint, it’s a reality.

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    Mute Niall H
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    Jun 7th 2013, 11:27 AM

    Ah Amy yesterday you were telling me I should get out and enjoy the sunshine. I’m confused now

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    Jun 7th 2013, 12:33 PM

    They didnt even say how the people died, how old they were, and how to prevent it. Pointless article.

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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:19 AM

    Who funds these pointless studies?

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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:29 AM

    People do actually die from cold but I bet the heat releated ones are drownings and heart attacks brought on by folks suddenly taking up exercise such as blowing on BBQ’s trying to light them .

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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:57 AM

    Quangos

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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:43 AM

    This is such nonsense ! Get real ! I am certain there are more deaths relating to the miserable weather all year round ! The damp, the chill, the freeze, the cold!!! Go to Rome or NYC in the summer ! Now that’s a heat wave! Or come to Dubai, where I live. Nobody dying from the all year round heat here … Stop moaning and enjoy the modest heat while you can

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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:51 AM

    I would prefer to die in a heatwave than be frozen to death anyday.

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    Jun 7th 2013, 1:30 PM

    Seriously.
    “She died a tragic death, sitting on the beach, sipping on a great big glass of sangria with an umbrella in, her toes dangling into the water with the sunshine twinkling off the waves”

    What a way to go.

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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:14 AM

    I had to check this wasn’t an article from the Potato when I first read the title!

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    Jun 7th 2013, 11:23 AM

    I find it hard to believe that people die from what the Irish laughable call a heat wave, try an Australian summer 10 plus days of over 35c and temps up to 47c, now that’s a real heat wave.

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    Jun 7th 2013, 11:43 AM

    Yep its certainly way hotter here in Australia. 22 degrees for Ireland is bliss compared to what we get here. Give me Ireland weather any day.

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    Jun 7th 2013, 11:28 AM

    I think the main cause of death is by way of Cardiac Arrest/shock brought on by having two days in a row of Sunshine….!

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    Jun 7th 2013, 1:31 PM

    Either that or severe anxiety caused by being cooped up in offices on what you’re convinced is the only sunny day of the year. And don’t tell me anyone’s gotten over being COMPLETELY CONVINCED that the rain is going to start at about 5.30pm on Friday..

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    Jun 7th 2013, 11:35 PM

    I find the complete opposite, actually- since I started working weekends I find they all seem to be warm and sunny, and the rain only starts on Tuesday (or whatever day I’m off!) People who work mon-fri always say they wish it would be sunny at the weekend, but they forget about all those of us who are working!…

    PS Can you believe every weekend when I was mon-fri was usually horrible; now that I’m working them they’re usually all lovely!!

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    Jun 7th 2013, 11:55 AM

    Living in Ireland we are all climatised to rain, overcast skies withe the occasional few sunny days. We get a week or two (if we are lucky!) of intense heat which to some can be very uncomfortable. Especially people with heart conditions, maybe they need the information on how to protect themselves ie; drinking plenty of water, staying in the shade etc. I live on the coast and like everyone else I ran down the road to the beach only to suffer the last few days with heatstroke and it is not pleasant! I should have been more careful and maybe if I had read an article like this I would have stopped and thought about it before I went out in the heat.

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    Jun 7th 2013, 5:08 PM

    Sunscreen only protects from the sun.
    Obviously nothing protects you from being a bit thick…

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    Jun 7th 2013, 12:46 PM

    One sentence…” No such thing as Bad weather. .just wrong Clothes ”
    Heatwave my a***e….I’ve been around a while n remember the warmer summer’s in 70s n 80s. ..n colder winter’s also…never remember an epidemic of deaths…
    I mean…-10° to 25° is not exactly extreme weather…
    God forbid we were subjected to the odd Twister…or tsunami. ..
    Amy….go out and get some sun on ya chops :-)

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    Jun 7th 2013, 12:04 PM

    sensationalist shite at its best.

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    Jun 7th 2013, 1:31 PM

    Many times that had died due to the truly awful weather that much of the country has had for the last 3 years. Suicide and lack of sunlight, constant overcast sky and rain all go hand in hand.

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    Jun 7th 2013, 2:30 PM

    Non sense ,for example it’s 41 degrees in doha today , a regular occurrence , seriously two days of 25 degrees is pretty unlikely to be killing people , these kind of studies are topical but very questionable , common sense means that people may have some underlying health issues and then point to the weather as the cause but I seriously doubt people in Ireland are dying in our “heat waves”

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    Jun 7th 2013, 5:11 PM

    Aha! Maybe its the Irish definition of dying.
    “I’m dying for a pint, this weather is quare hot”

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    Jun 7th 2013, 6:21 PM

    hahah i like that im dying for a pint….thats more likely , i really think the epa and DIT could be doing more useful stuff than this , he report is full of maybes , if , mights and could haves , like in fine weather more people in rural areas are out working on farms and ‘may’ have accidents leading to death…pretty bloody flawed ‘study’ in my opinion , and who decided that two consecutive days of 25 degrees qualifies as a ‘heatwave’….more horse shite…then the majority are people over 74 , people with heart conditions …..im sorry but this is just useless academic crap ,should expect our Dublin Institiute of Technology and EPA to do more useful stuff than this nonsense

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    Jun 7th 2013, 12:49 PM

    Bring it on thank you

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    Jun 7th 2013, 11:40 PM

    Death from heatwaves- yeah, cos we’ve had SO many of those over the last six years, haven’t we!

    More like death from depression over the terrible weather!!

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    Jun 7th 2013, 1:33 PM

    Micheal Martin mocking the Chinese accent.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXsgU0Hj-pA

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    Jun 7th 2013, 10:33 PM

    silliness and nothingness. Go for a proper cycle and think of something that someone might be interested in, don’t waste all mammy and daddy’s money.

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