Paul His Father is Dead. So Who else is going to speak for him? As it has been said by others on here most people would be disgusted to see an animal suffer the way we as society make other Humans suffer from a terminal illness. Just because you or others have some sort of objection be it on moral or religious grounds that you or anyone else has no right to dictate to someone that is terminally ill with no chance of recovery that they must suffer in pain and indignity. She was fully Compos Mentis when she made her decision yet you would deny her that decision.

Nobody should, Mick.
That’s my point. If you wish to die, by all means, go ahead. But don’t ever think you have a right to express a death wish for another.

Mick you’d get through to a brick wall sooner than Paul on this one.

But yet we do it every day. Your Pet is old or in pain rather than see it suffer you put it down.
I know myself if I were in a position where I was dying and in pain but was not able to express my wishes that my wife and family would know enough about me to take the necessary steps to end my pain. Like that guy in England that had “Locked In Syndrome” through his form of communication with his wife he expressed his wish to die with dignity. Even going so far as the Supreme Court to get permission for Assisted Suicide. And even then he was denied his wish.

Mick,
Homicide is against the law. Suicide is not.
Killing the sick “because they asked for it” is a Harold Shipman argument.
The issue is not about a right to die, it’s about establishing a right to kill.
People aren’t pets. But the fact that you would make that analogy is worrying.

You’re only lucky that having a face like an ar5€ isn’t terminal Paul….

Paul have you ever heard the term “Justifiable Homcide”
As for your use of Harold Shipman to bolster your argument just shows how weak it is. Shipman killed because He believed that his victims had no quality of life. His victims did not express any wish to die. And that is what this discussion is about. A persons decision for the right to die with dignity either by their own hand or with assistance from a loved one. It is very easy to impose safe guards against what you are suggesting. All we have to do is look at Swiss Law and the Dignatas Clinic there. Why should people be forced to travel from the comfort of their home and family to die a painless and dignified death in a foreign country in a Clinic when they should have the choice and the right to depart at home surrounded by family and friends in their own bed.

Mick,
The courts decided here and in the UK to protect us from arguments similar to that made by Shipman. There should never be support for laws that provide killers with excuses.

I see your point Paul, I wish these other guys could.

But this entire discussion is not about Shipman or other like him. This is about a persons right to die with dignity. And unfortunately that option is not available without assistance to many terminally ill due to the nature of their illness.
A question for you.
If a person is terminally ill with 0% chance of recovery and having made the decision that rather than suffer pain and indignity to the very end to die a painless death in the comfort of their own home surrounded by their loved ones but required assistance to die. Would you deny them that right and prosecute the person that aided them?

Yes.

Why?

Paul.

There arent many Harold Shipmans about. But there are plenty of families watching their loved ones suffer from MND, brain cancers, MS and other unbereable diseases.

I am religious. I accept people choosing the right to die. My brother was in horrendous pain from terminal cancer before he got a bed in a hospice. I had many sleepless nights worrying if he was getting through the night ok. I couldnt bear watching him in pain. We took him to the doctor for pain relief and he suggested on passing a river that he should jump in. I dont think i’d have had the courage to assist him in taking his own life. The last month of his life was pain free thank God and i was delighted FOR HIM that he was at peace.

Sinead,
Suicide is not illegal. Assisted suicide or euthanasia is. Licensing some people to kill others is wrong.
Who makes the choice to enda someone’s life is the issue. It’s not dignity if it’s done to reduce care costs.

Well Paul if you say it’s wrong it must be, right?

Your inability to think outside your one size fits all box is astounding.

Paul, your insistence on forcing others to live by your personal rules and opinions makes you sound very much like a fascist.

Paul. You still don’t get it. If a person wishes to die but is unable to commit suicide without assistance then you are denying them their right to die with dignity. You say you have no problem with a terminally ill person killing themselves. Assisted suicide is the exact same.
Nobody is advocating letting someone kill at will. The patient that is terminally ill would have had their diagnoses confirmed by several doctors. And would have talked to a psychiatrist. And then if they wished to die they would receive a kit containing a lethal dose of medication to be either administered by themselves or someone they themselves have nominated. A neutral doctor would also be present to confirm the time of death and that it was the final wish of the deceased.
This could all be done in the familiar surroundings of their own home with their loved ones present.
As for the present law. That can be changed with a stroke of a pen. Let the country decide in a referendum. And if the vote was in favor the law could be changed in a matter of weeks.

Mick, you’re setting up a lot of rules and regulations for situations which may create silenced victims where abuse occurs. We are safest with laws that prohibit killing.
Maybe I’m just being a Hippocrate.

Paul those rules exist in Switzerland where assisted suicide is legal. And they dont have any problems. How do you explain that.

Mick, it’s because the Swiss live in a society where they think it’s ok for people to kill the old.
It’s not a problem in Switzerland because they’re killing more non-Swiss than Swiss.

totally agree with you…I am sure many people die from this illness everyday and not a word about it…no good just sadness. People love this sort of sort of stuff, something to talk about “did ya hear”

People are talking about it because she’s using her death to raise awareness of a cause. It’s equally tragic when anyone dies, but this one is being mentioned here because she’s deliberately promoting it to try to help other people.

Your mother ,I imagine, Uses the word ‘unfortunately’ a lot when she refers to you…

“Promoting” it for the walt disney fund.

Yes, Terry. She’s trying to raise money to fund the next Disney film, maybe Frozen 2 or something like that. Now go back asleep and stop posting shite.

agree Unfortunately, this is being pushed very heavily by the media.
Euthanasia and abortion on demand are part of their agenda
Someone is pulling the strings behind all of this.

I believe she received some pretty hateful – and undeserved – comments on social media. I hope she wasn’t aware of it in her precious final hours.

I’m well used to reading the comments posted by trolls on here but I feel the need to not rise above it this time. Yes the internet is abused by many people every second of the day but this, I believe, was not one of those times. This beautiful & brave young woman who had her whole life stolen from her chose to raise awareness in what was undoubtedly a very traumatic last few months. She wanted to leave a legacy for others. She wasn’t looking for attention on the internet as so many people do these days, she wanted to die with dignity like the majority of people said on here & she wanted to do it not just for herself but for others in her position. I can’t even imagine how her family & friends are coping. Imagine them seeing hurtful, vicious comments like that… Disgraceful.

What’s wrong with abortion on demand?
All the other civilised countries have it.

Ah Zoe, you couldn’t keep your filthy ideas to yourself, couldn’t you. Had to bring up abortion on this.

Wish people would read articles before talking out of their rectums

It’s all about choice zoe. Nobody is forcing you to have an abortion or to take pills to end your life if you have a terminal disease. Choice choice choice! Get it?

Ahh the media is to blame for everything, that old chestnut! FFS!

Brian.
It’s not about choice. It’s about permission. They are 2 separate things.

Have you ever watched someone you love die from cancer. Their final moments where they’re gasping for breath, that death rattle in their throat and chest and the moaning from them. It’s the worst thing I’ve ever seen. No one should have to go through that if they don’t want to. She chose not to. Why should she suffer in silence!

Ha ha !!!

@Paul
And what makes you think I need permission from you or anybody else to do what I want in my own life and with my own body? What gives you the right to dictate how others should live?

Lots of someones, in fact, normal people who believe in human rights.

And that permission should be decided by the village idiots that are the government?

So what about the withdrawal of treatment and nutrition Paul? Is that also murder then by your own estimation? Or is it morally sound because it’s deemed legal? Because that happens day in day out in this country.

Laura,
If you know about that you should speak out about it.

If I know about it? Ask any doctor or nurse about treatment withdrawal of patients it’s not a flippin secret!

For example, leukemia patients who go into remission. Leukemia unfortunately comes back after a time, patient is offered further gruelling rounds of chemo, radiotherapy, etc, but the rates of survival are extremely poor. And that’s if the chemo doesn’t kill them first before the disease. Patient decides enough is enough and along with their families and health care team they decide to withdraw treatment and end their life sooner, with less pain and greater dignity rather than suffering further.

Is that murder?

No Laura, it’s not murder.
Nor is it asking to be killed. Nature takes its course, and people die.
All the time.

It’s still withdrawing treatment that could keep someone alive Paul. By your standards it would seem that is instigating the death of someone that could potentially live, albeit and extremely small chance

No Laura, withdrawing treatment is not the same as administering a substance or performing an action that would result in death. The difference lies in intent. People should live as long as they wish, but should not be killed as a result of deliberate action.
Knock yourself out trying to justify homicide, but if you have expert knowledge, I suggest you take it up with your professional body. Perhaps you could benefit from a refresher course in ethics.

And perhaps you could do with a refresher course in empathy and humanity Paul.

Your attitude is so wrapped up in rule and law that you have forgotten one of the most important things in humanity , empathy. You have none. Try learn what that is and how to use it before you become and old man and look around and wonder why nobody has any for you.

Have you ever actually studied ethics or moral philosophy? I take it you haven’t!

I’ve said it before. I don’t feel cuddly on this issue.
There is a difference between death by your own hand and death by somebody else’s. The law does and should continue to protect us from the latter.
No one should ever be given a licence to kill. I respect the decision and reasoning of the courts here and in the UK. You guys don’t. That’s fine.
But playing violins while challenging concepts of law with which you disagree is a dangerous way to run any state. We need dispassionate application of law.
Feeling sad? Grab a Kleenex.