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Minister for Justice, Alan Shatter and Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, Frances Fitzgerald. Sasko Lazarov/Photocall Ireland

The Cloyne Report - who's saying what

Politicians, clerics and rights groups have responded to the findings of the report, which examined how the Catholic Church and the state authorities dealt will allegations of abuse in the Co Cork diocese.

FOLLOWING THE PUBLICATION of the Commission of Investigation Report into clerical sexual abuse in the Diocese of Cloyne earlier today, politicians, clerics and rights groups have responded to the findings:

Frances Fitzgerald, Minister for Children

The days of voluntary compliance are over when it comes to child protection… On Friday, I will publish the new Children First national guidance document, backed by an implementation plan from the HSE to ensure consistency across the country. This will lay down a robust child protection code for the State, backed up by a strong implementation and inspection framework.

Alan Shatter, Minister for Justice

A central lesson we must learn from this report is that taking on trust that organisations, particularly organisations with a dismal history in this area, are living up to their responsibilities will not work.

To deal with this issue, I am today publishing detailed legislative proposals for a Criminal Justice Bill (that) will, essentially, make it an offence for a person who has information that could help in the arrest, prosecution or conviction of an offender, for a serious offence committed against a child or vulnerable adult, not to pass that information on to the Gardaí, where they know that information could help.  There will be a penalty of up to five years imprisonment for failing to do so.

Garda Commissioner, Martin Callinan

“While the Commission found that a number of complainants were highly complimentary about the way in which the Gardaí dealt with their complaints…  it did state that it was very concerned about the approach adopted by the gardaí in three cases.”

“It is a matter of regret to me that people did not receive the appropriate attention and action from the Garda Síochána to which they were entitled. The policies and structures now in place are very much victim-focused and designed to ensure that no one has a similar experience today.

Bishop John Magee

I again sincerely apologise to all those who were abused by priests in the Diocese of Cloyne for my failure to ensure that they were fully supported and responded to in their time of need.

I accept in its entirety the Commission’s view that the primary responsibility for the failure to fully implement the Church procedures in the Diocese lay with me.

Given my position of responsibility, I am particularly saddened when I read the accounts of the complainants describing the effects of the abuse, knowing that I contributed to their distress.

Cardinal Seán Brady

I apologise and express my shame and sorrow at what has happened… I call today for the introduction of legislation to support mandatory reporting of allegations of child sexual abuse to the statutory authorities.

I welcome the statement last week by the National Board that the resolution of the data protection issues earlier this year has cleared the way for the continuation of the audits of individual dioceses.  The Church’s full commitment to this partnership is a guarantee of best practice in child safeguarding.

Archbishop of Cashel and Emly Dermot Clifford

I humbly apologise on my own behalf as Administrator of the Diocese, and on behalf of its clergy, to all who suffered and their families… It appalls me that, up to 2008, 13 years after these procedures were put in place, they were still not being implemented in the Diocese of Cloyne. This means that the Church authorities in Cloyne failed some of those who were abused by not adhering to their commitments when dealing with complaints.

Amnesty International
The Cloyne Report exposes a systemic and deliberate failure by the Catholic Church in the Cloyne diocese to deal with allegations of child sex abuse, and the dismissive attitude the Vatican continues to take to State investigations of abuse… It also shows the State relied on assurances from the Catholic Church instead of living up to its responsibility to protect children. Our Government’s first obligation is to its own people, not to any other State or church.
Bishop Leo O’Reilly, Bishop of Kilmore

“The publication of this report is a reminder of how necessary it is for bishops and for those in positions of responsibility to be continually vigilant and pro-active in ensuring that the Safeguarding Children procedures are fully and consistently implemented in dioceses.”

Bishop Noel Treanor Bishop of Down and Connor

No words of apology from me for the culture of self protection in the  Irish Church at the expense of survivors of abuse can, in themselves, ease the pain of those who have suffered and continue to suffer as a result of the abuses of the past. Nevertheless, I apologise once again to all those who have suffered in any way… The first duty of the Church now is to listen to the cry of survivors and help them to cope with the continuing pain with which they have been burdened by the sins of clergy.

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Read: Cloyne report findings ‘could not be starker or more disturbing’ – Shatter >

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    Mute Brian Ward
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    Jul 10th 2016, 7:37 AM

    Little comfort to the thousands of dead, wounded and maimed for life.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 8:53 AM

    I think we can all agree that Iraq prior to the war was a great place to live… no troubles whatsoever where the people loved their leader and that everyone lived in a kind of utopic existence.. there was no undercurrent of trouble whatsoever no mass graves or subjection of a vast swathe of people – and the Baathist leadership who now control ISIS would have just slinked off into retirement once Saddam had died. The Sunnis and Shiites were living in perfect harmony. All of this is often forgotten. If only we had left things as they were – this is the narrative we should now be adopting. Repeat ad nauseum.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 9:00 AM
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    Jul 10th 2016, 9:22 AM

    So you’re saying they’re better off now? Is that right?

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    Mute Coles
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    Jul 10th 2016, 9:23 AM

    You’re too dumb to understand that there is was a range of options available that didnt include an illegal invasion of Iraq that destabilised the entire region?

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    Mute Peter King
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    Jul 10th 2016, 9:42 AM

    So if some guy is abusing his kids the best option is to go in, kill him and a few kids in the process, burn the house down and in doing so cause a fire that takes half the neighbourhood and if anyone complains you can say you did the right thing by getting rid of him.

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    Mute Brian Ward
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    Jul 10th 2016, 9:55 AM

    Gabby no one is saying that Saddam was a kind and benevolent ruler. Could you tell me how many car bombs went off in downtown Baghdad while he was there? How many children were born with birth defects due to depleted uranium rounds being scattered all over Fallujah? How many Sunnis were members of IS and were in a de facto civil war with their Shiite neighbours? When did Al Qaeda gain a foothold in Iraq, was it before Saddam was ousted or after? Oh and any word yet on those WMD’s that were supposed to be knocking around the place?

    If you think that Iraq is a better place now why don’t you go over there and let us know how you get on. After all George W democrified and peaceified it so you should have no problems walking around the place.

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    Mute Old Gabby Johnson
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    Jul 10th 2016, 10:28 AM

    @cathal no i’m not saying that. @coles – ‘You’re too dumb’ – great start to a comment.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 10:39 AM

    @Peter – yeah simple analogies with no basis in reality and not taking into account hundreds of complexities is the best way to describe the Iraq situation. If you need to but things into simple analogies in order to suit your narrative that’s just great for you.

    Ok i’ll play along – Did you know that the guy who initially killed him had known about the abuse all along and even gave him a heavy duty cane to beat his kids with? did you know that one of the kids in the house wasn’t actually being abused but was secretly working for the dad had been killing off the neighbours kids and burying them in their backyards while hiring some of his school mates to threaten the parents of these kids if they talked they’d lose the other kids? And this abusive father also ran the local extortion operation and had his operatives in the other houses and they had been harrassing the neighbouring districts? So when the neighbourhood burned down the neighbours remaining (who had been committing acts of extortion) set up a NEW neighbourhood – housing all the homeless and creating awhole new system of local government). The father it turns out had not just been abusing his own kids but with the help of the other fathers set up a town wide system of abuse kept in place by extortionists and mafia bosses.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 10:41 AM

    I love the way that the commenters red thumb the Guardian link which essentially agrees with the above article but with caveats – without even reading it.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 10:49 AM

    @brian – I don’t think Iraq is a better place – you’ve just ran off a with a memorised rant – that i’m sure you’ve vomited out at numerous social occasions. What i was actually inferring as was pointed out in the link i posted – that not all is as straightforward is that Blair was fully to blame for the mess Iraq is in.. the war hastened and inflamed the situation but the causes are deeper rooted than a simple narrative.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 11:11 AM

    Sadly these lives mean nothing to these people. Only thing that matters is money and oil, resources. As Kofi Annan said.
    In 2004, the UN secretary-general Kofi Annan said that as regime change was the prime aim of the Iraq war, it was illegal.
    How many more countries has regime change been the goal? Libya? Syria? Again countries where there is oil . Syria a pipeline.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 11:47 AM

    It’s notable how the U.S. and U.K’s commitment in toppling brutal dictators like Hussein always aligns with their strategic interests. While equally blood thirsty regimes like Saudi Arabia remain entirely unmolested or indeed supported as necessary to expand the West’s imperial reach.
    Imperial and capitalist wars are never in the interests of the majority working class as it’s always us who bears the burden of the killing and the dying to advance the cause of the ruling elites. Our real enemies wear the same uniforms and sing the same national anthems as our soldiers.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 8:01 AM

    They should all be jailed..

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    Jul 10th 2016, 7:54 AM

    Of course he can live with regrets he’s living in comfort in London. Not having to worry a bomb drop through his home soon or will he get shot out in a market place. Blair and Bush can feel regretful and remorse as much as they want but the went too war on lies and thousands off innocent people have died and are being killed ever since.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 7:45 AM

    Has there been a war that the Brits haven’t been in?

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    Jul 10th 2016, 8:13 AM

    The English peoples were not masters of war until after the Norman conquest in 1066. Since then, they have been at war/conquering other peoples for the last almost 1000 years as we well know. Unfortunately now, much of their economy and higher social structures rely on perpetual war .. it’s amazing that shortly after the ‘Peace process’, they were at it again with the yanks ..i.e. they needed the peace process to liberate their military resources and deploy them elsewhere. What was interment anyway up North in the 70s except a way of radicalizing and terrorising in the hope of prolonging and inflaming the ‘situation’; then deploying more troops when it worked and being able to rob more money then from the taxpayers. England needs wars to survive – 5 billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia in the last few years, who are attempting to commit genocide against the Yemeni people. You won’t read that on the front page of your Sunday Times I am guessing.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 9:11 AM

    Their people have been bred for war. It will take generations for it to be bred back out of them.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 11:59 AM

    I blame the Romans, myself. I think Ireland would have civilised England eventually but for their bad influence :-)

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    Jul 10th 2016, 7:57 AM

    The aftermath of the Invasion of Iraq is still being felt. Multi thousands dead, maimed, impoverished, a whole region of the world destabilised and on and on.
    The chief architects of this horror, Tony Blair and George W. Bush appear blissfully unrepentant about their evil deeds. Blair, sees himself as some type of Messianic figure, while Bush remains in his bubble of ignorance ( he went mountain biking the day the Chilcot Report was published), that says it all.
    The one message screaming at us is the need to scrutinise carefully the background and personality of those we propose to elect to leadership.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 8:42 AM

    Funny how Corbyn is being criticised for his ‘dangerous’ political policies. Hardly more dangerous than what’s gone before him. Saw this Jonathan Pie satirical piece on Blair and though it was pretty on the money.
    https://www.facebook.com/JonathanPieReporter/videos/920599301396297/

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    Jul 10th 2016, 8:51 AM

    Corbin’s policies aren’t dangerous because he never actually does anything. He just sits there thinking peaceful talks.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 8:54 AM

    @John what about before the Iraq invasion?

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    Jul 10th 2016, 8:11 AM

    How typical to see the light now when it’s convenient to do so..

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    Jul 10th 2016, 7:52 AM

    Prescott. The name is familiar. Oh wait, isn’t he the one who punched somebody in the face while he was deputy prime minister, and who also voted for war and later voted against an inquiry into the waf?

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    Jul 10th 2016, 8:55 AM

    If someone hit you in the face with an egg at point blank range, what would you do? His reaction was instinctive for a former boxer. I’d have given the guy a couple more thumps for good measure.

    As for voting for war, he was in good company and also the British public re-elected Tony Blair with a 68 seat majority in 2005.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 9:18 AM

    If somebody hit me with an egg I’d deck them, and that’s why I would not be a suitable deputy prime minister at a time of global tension. (Admittedly there may be other reasons too)

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    Jul 10th 2016, 12:10 PM

    Or perhaps you may be eminently suitable to be deputy prime minister. (a non-job), if you defend the right of someone to act in self-defence.

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    Mute Neal Ireland Hello
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    Jul 10th 2016, 2:10 PM

    I appreciate your misplaced confidence in my abilities, Joe!

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    Jul 10th 2016, 8:28 AM

    For god sake Presscott you knew well it was all a lie . Every dog on the street knew it.

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    Mute Eddie O'reilly
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    Jul 10th 2016, 1:21 PM

    Irresponsible idiots

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    Mute James Kelly
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    Jul 10th 2016, 9:03 AM

    “Sad and anger” indeed . Crocodile tears from a fat git who was too busy shifting his secretary to be bothered with small details such as the legality of war . Is he such a dope that he didn’t know that without a second UN resolution the “war” was always going to be illegal . Prescott and his long suffering wife is a social climber who long ago forgot and betrayed his working class toots and stood beside the charlatan Blair who was the best VP that America never had !
    He had the temerity to claim he had made his peace with his God and stood by his actions . Surely the act of a scoundrel and one which I hope dams him to hell for eternity . That or the possibility that someone comes out the woodwork and stiffs him .

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    Jul 10th 2016, 8:40 AM

    I don’t understand the obsession with the Iraq war. The Kosovo war was also “illegal” by the same standards and by the standards of the anti-war warmongers, but we don’t hear anything about that.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 8:56 AM

    ssshhhh!

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    Jul 10th 2016, 11:49 AM

    Whataboutery………………….

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    Jul 10th 2016, 12:06 PM

    Bobby, that’s the considered reaction of the tabloid mind.

    Can you explain why a country that supported the war, re-elected the prime minister who took the country into two illegal wars, by their standards, now get obsessed by one of those wars and one person?

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    Jul 10th 2016, 9:47 AM

    David Icke stated in the mid to late 90s that the middle East was next on the list and that the Rothschild’s Zionists pushing their agenda would create havoc on this part of the world. David Icke has predicted many events through great research and has always being spot on. Blair is a reptilian alien head.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 10:14 AM

    Riiiight…tinfoil, anyone?

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    Jul 10th 2016, 2:23 PM

    The man should be facing a firing squad. The lies told by him Bush and others caused the death of hundreds of thosands and ruined the lives of many more. The invasion of Iraq was needed to protect the petrodollar, months before the invasion Iraq dropped the dollar from use in oil sales. America needed to correct this lest other countries follow.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 12:00 PM

    “Number two” he he he….

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    Mute garb yakob
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    Jul 10th 2016, 12:31 PM

    Better late than never i guess, going to help get Tony behind bars to make up for it all?

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    Jul 10th 2016, 10:20 PM

    That’s nice of Two Jags, but a bit too late in the day.

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    Jul 10th 2016, 8:14 AM

    There has to be wars when you have the 2 biggest arms manufacturers in the world and if they’re isn’t one create one

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