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Peter Dejong

Final victims of MH17 crash may never be found --- Dutch minister

“We cannot say at this moment in any certain way … at what moment and even if we can recover the last nine”

THE REMAINS OF the last victims of flight MH17 may never be recovered from the Ukrainian battlefield where their plane was shot down four months ago, the Dutch foreign minister said today, as fighting rumbled on in the east of the country.

Foreign Minister Bert Koenders made the grim assessment in the city of Kharkiv, where he attended a memorial service for five more sets of human remains collected from the site of the disaster and flown to The Netherlands.

“We cannot say at this moment in any certain way … at what moment and even if we can recover the last nine” victims, he said.

The shooting down of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 on July 17, killing all 298 aboard, was one of the worst tragedies of a war in which an estimatimed 4,000 people have died. So far, the remains of 289 of those victims have been identified.

Ukraine and the West blame Russian-backed separatist fighters for the catastrophe, while Moscow pointed the finger at Kiev, in an incident that galvanised international shock over the chaos in a country bordering the European Union.

Virginia Mayo ... Dutch Foreign Minister Bert Koenders Virginia Mayo ... Dutch Foreign Minister Bert Koenders

- More bloodshed -

Ukraine reported more bloody fighting overnight, with three soldiers killed, as Moscow denied claims it had sent tanks across the border.

Ukraine’s military said one paratrooper was shot dead by a sniper in Donetsk international airport, where government forces are defending a pocket of territory near the biggest rebel-held city. Fifteen other soldiers were wounded in shelling of government positions around the conflict zone, a statement said.

The deadly fighting rumbled on in the industrial east despite a two-month old ceasefire deal that has halted significant offensives, but failed to stop shelling at strategic flashpoints.

Donetsk’s city hall said two civilians were wounded by shrapnel as the north of the city was rocked by explosions overnight.

A brief morning calm ended with the sound of frequent artillery explosions near the airport, an AFP journalist said.

Two tanks and two armoured fighting vehicles could be seen on the outskirts of the city, while rebels were digging trenches.

“The shooting is getting closer and closer, with heavier weapons. Yesterday I almost jumped out of my bed the bombardments felt so close,” said Lyudmila, deputy director at a local school.

- Claim of tanks -

Russia, which annexed Ukraine’s Crimea region in March and lends close political and humanitarian support to the separatist areas in the east, denied the latest Ukrainian allegation that it was dispatching regular troops to join the fighting.

Ukraine’s military made headlines around the world yesterday with the claim that columns of hardware, including 32 tanks, had poured across the border which is under the control of Russia and the pro-Russian rebels.

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Unmarked military vehicles parked on a road outside the separatist rebel-held eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne, 80 km from Donetsk.

However, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov laughed off the allegation after US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said she had no “independent confirmation” of the report.

“If Psaki doesn’t have it, I don’t,” Lavrov told journalists with a chuckle in Beijing, where he met his US counterpart John Kerry ahead of an APEC summit.

Psaki said that heavy Russian weaponry had been seen on Thursday at a rail yard about 25 km inside its border. And journalists have on numerous occasions met Russian soldiers in Ukraine or seen long columns of heavy artillery and troop transports on roads.

However, both the Ukrainian and separatist spokesmen have frequently issued dramatic claims about the war without providing evidence.

- Diplomatic activity -

The conflict has sent relations between Western backers of Ukraine and Russia to their lowest level since the Cold War.

Russia’s economy is suffering from European Union and US sanctions imposed in response to Moscow’s support for the separatists. With Russia welcoming last week’s rebel elections, which were billed as boosting the separatists’ claim to independence, new sanctions could be coming.

A flurry of diplomatic activity is approaching, with the APEC summit in China and a Group of 20 summit in Australia next week, where President Vladimir Putin will have the chance to put his case before world leaders.

Speaking in Beijing, Lavrov appeared to soften Russia’s position, saying that US involvement in attempts to resolve the crisis would be a “step in the right direction”.

“Our positions on what is happening in Ukraine do not correspond with the United States, but if Washington is interested in contributing to the reconciliation of the situation and creating dialogue between Kiev and the rebel leadership…, I think that would be a step in the right direction,” the Russian foreign minister said in comments shown on Russian state television.

The United States should discourage “hot heads” in the Ukrainian government from resuming a full-scale conflict with the pro-Russian separatists, Lavrov added.

But in comments marking the 25th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, US President Barack Obama said, “as Russia’s actions against Ukraine remind us, we have more work to do to fully realise our shared vision of a Europe that is whole, free and at peace.”

- © AFP 2014

Read: Parents of 3 children killed in MH17 crash release heartbreaking statement

Read: Families of German victims of MH17 are to sue Ukraine

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    Mute Colette Kearns
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    Oct 24th 2019, 8:45 AM

    The poor man I hope he makes a speedy recovery & gets the help he needs!

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    Oct 24th 2019, 9:02 AM

    No doubt an addict stumbling across the road from merchants quay treatment centre. I’m forced to weave around one out of it on the road at least once a week there early in the morning each week. Hope he’s ok.

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    Mute Patricia Mcnamara
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    Oct 24th 2019, 9:25 AM

    @thegreatdefector: still a human being.

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    Mute Trevor croft
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    Oct 24th 2019, 9:31 AM

    @thegreatdefector: why do you have to contribute to the already existing stigma against addicts, it could of been anyone!!in any situation! from any walk of life, even someone who might of had to much to drink and fell. Be nice you pr*ck

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    Oct 24th 2019, 9:32 AM

    @thegreatdefector: no you don’t hope he is ok , all you seem to care about is the inconvenience of weaving around some person in the morning once a week

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    Oct 24th 2019, 9:33 AM

    @Patricia Mcnamara: well said Patricia. Because someone is an addict means they are suffering with a dreadful illness not that they are less human or expendable. There before the grace of God go I…. It’s someone’s son/daughter brother/sister.

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    Oct 24th 2019, 9:44 AM

    @Trevor croft: Imploring someone to be nice while calling him a p*ick. Ironic that.

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    Oct 24th 2019, 10:35 AM

    @thegreatdefector: Merchants quay treatment centre is open at 7am?

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    Oct 24th 2019, 11:27 AM

    @JC: sorry jesus your right, I could of chose my words differently! Be nice you gobshi#te

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    Oct 24th 2019, 11:32 AM

    @thegreatdefector: no doubt? How many of
    ‘ them’ have you heard of that actually fell in? In case you haven’t seen it, that bridge would need to be climbed or the person would have to have been ‘helped’ over it.The people who use that service have enough to struggle with in their daily lives without broad sweeping assumptions about them being thrown about as if they’re less than human.

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    Oct 24th 2019, 11:35 AM

    @thegreatdefector: it’s the 65 thumbs up to your comment that’s frightening. May be maybe not a junkie but he is someones son.

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    Oct 24th 2019, 11:55 AM

    @Thomas Claffey: I personally don’t like that word but it’s your mouth (or thumb in this instance) so fire away. My youngest brother, who died earlier this year, was an addict. You wouldn’t have been allowed to call him that in front of me without a dressing down I can tell you but your sentiment is correct. Everyone is someone’s son or daughter and entitled to basic respect. Will you please think about using that word to describe people? It’s hurtful to them and to those who actually know and care about them.

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    Mute Mick Murphy
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    Oct 24th 2019, 2:03 PM

    @Daff. Myers: sorry for your loss Daff. It’s a truly terrible illness. I hope he passed peacefully and is free of that demon now.

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    Oct 24th 2019, 6:31 PM

    @Daff. Myers: it is what it is

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    Oct 24th 2019, 6:42 PM

    @Daff. Myers: I am sorry for your loss. but I have walked in them shoes and was called that name .I was hooked on junk. Iam not someone that has not gone through it.

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    Oct 24th 2019, 9:51 PM

    @Thomas Claffey: that makes it even more amazing you would use language that makes you appear to have no empathy. Why not use your life experience to educate and help? You’d be best qualified if you’ve lived through that and come out the other side.

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    Oct 24th 2019, 9:53 PM

    @Mick Murphy: thanks Mick. We know where he is now and that nobody will ever hurt him again. And yes, at least he is free of the demon.

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    Oct 24th 2019, 10:05 AM

    A sign of the times

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    Oct 24th 2019, 10:04 AM

    Sad.. a sign of the times

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