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Why is Ireland so good at foreign aid? The Famine

Seriously. According to the OECD, anyway.

A NEW REPORT from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) says that Irish people should be proud of how much we give to foreign nations.

In their peer review of the Irish system, the OECD says that the Irish system is a tribute to the Great Famine, but is based on sound logic.

“The focused approach to hunger is, in particular, a legacy of Ireland’s own history of famine in the 1840s.

“Ireland’s Policy for International Development (2013) provides a sound rationale and basis for making decisions on where to focus Ireland’s official development assistance. This policy as well as sector strategies help ensure that Irish aid targets poor people and gets to where it is most needed.”

However, the report says that Ireland has some deficiencies in foreign aid policy-making.

It says that the country lacks joint-up thinking, does not have enough evidence of how other, non-aid policies, impact on poor countries, and has “no clear processes “for identifying and managing conflicts or trade-offs between its aid policy and other government policies, in the area of agriculture, trade, taxation, migration, fisheries, energy, health care or climate.

It also points out that that the aid budget has been cut year-on-year since 2008 and that the government has not set out how it plans to achieve a target of spending 0.7% of GDP on foreign aid.

It also says that staff involved in foreign affairs have a “huge” turnover rate.

Ireland has allocated €600 million for overseas development aid for next year. Seán Sherlock, the junior minister with responsibility in this area, told Morning Ireland a considerable amount of the funds this year had to be divested into Syria because of the crisis there.

He said Ireland has “measured up” in terms of taking action to help those caught up in the conflict.

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    Mute Niallers
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 7:50 AM

    Ireland had so much food pork/cattle/ grains during the 1840′s we exported it all over Europe. There was no famine/lack of food. We were governed from London and the British government policy to let the Irish Starve. It was more like Genocide/ Etnic cleansing.

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    Mute Anne-Marie Fogarty
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 8:12 AM

    Absolutely correct, why is it known as the famine? When in fact it was genocide..

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    Mute Martin McDevitt
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:43 AM

    That is exactly what I was gonna say. Also we are an Island, think on it load’s of water with plenty of fish fresh and sea.

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    Mute Andrea Brown
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:45 AM

    The potato famine did not just occur in Ireland. That particular famine was part of the ‘European Potato famine’. You will find it on wikipedia.

    Out of Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, France, Prussia, Netherland, Spain, Ireland, Scotland, England, etc, Ireland was hardest hit by far, losing at minimum 10 times more people than every other country in Europe, combined, in the same famine. At the same time people in the North of Scotland were left to starve as well. That was purely due to the English stationing most of its army in Ireland at the time, to ensure all food exports continued, leaving the Irish to starve to death. Irish meats and crops were exported to not only England, but everywhere else as well.

    Also something to consider. If the English had not implemented what in effect was a population reduction policy in Ireland, Ireland’s population would now probably be in the region of 20 to 30 million, making Ireland a major player in Europe.

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    Mute Chris Kirk
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 11:37 AM

    Starvtuon was not the only problem during the 1840′s, records show the extreme weather condirions of that time through wet summers and some very cold winters.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 11:37 AM

    Trevelyan opined that the famine was an excellent way of controlling the Irish population ….

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    Mute Diarmuid
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 12:07 PM

    Some people on here want to treat the third world the same way we were treated in the 1840s.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 12:16 PM

    Dairmuid – a single 35,000 hectare or acre farm in Ethiopa is capable of producing 10% of the world’s exported rice market needs …
    When we see famines from Africa then we only get to see the people that are starving in that particular country – you never get to see the fat politicians or food merchants that make a fortune in distributing the aid when it arrives from overseas …..

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    Mute Diarmuid
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 12:26 PM

    Dermot. We all know parts of Africa can produce food and corruption is rampant in places. That does not mean you give up on ordinary people who are fleeing atrocities or starving to death.

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    Mute Mr Phil Officer
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 12:35 PM

    I vote we keep the “loan\investment” monies that Westminster allocated during the recession as part compensation for the murder of millions of Irish and for scattering tens of millions more around the world in their attempt to exterminate the entire Irish race.

    Also it is a great insult to the people who died during these times to simply label this atrocity as a “famine” when the authorities at the time used the potato blight as a means to systematically starve and annihilate the populace of Ireland.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 12:48 PM

    reparations …I agree Mr. Officer –
    the irish war of independence – the only war that was won and the winners had to pay the loosers for the spoils – Rates !
    Thankfully trying to steal our water has finally awoken enough people to put an end to that abusive relationship !

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    Mute Anto Byrne
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 7:20 AM

    Of the money you give over. Very little actually goes to charity. Bloke at concern on way over 100000 grand. So his wage has to be paid before any charity gets done

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    Mute dstaffx
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 7:29 AM

    I agree with you Anto, but it’s important to say some charities are 100% volunteer. Absolute no payment or expenses to the people who give their time.

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    Mute David Fortune
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 9:23 AM

    Charities need to hire staff to operate, you’ll struggle to put together a charity that will do much good if everyone is a volunteer. The charity I work for allows people to make donations that just go towards charitable efforts or a donation that will go to wards charitable work AND cover administration, I’d imagine other charities do the same.

    Just using your example, according to Concern’s report from 2012 (the latest available) they spend 79% on overseas programmes. (source: https://www.concern.net/sites/www.concern.net/files/media/page/concern_uk_annual_report_2012.pdf).

    Every time there’s an article about charity some arsehole always comes in and talks about how charities have the audacity to pay their workers, and they’ll never give another cent to a charity as long as that happens. If that’s what helps you sleep at night then that’s fine, but just because you don’t understand how much it takes to hire a great executive to run an international organisation doesn’t mean the charity doesn’t deserve your donation.

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    Mute Cathal Henry
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:04 AM

    its not paying the workers that’s the problem is the ridiculous high 6 figure salaries paid to the senior management

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    Mute John R
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:46 AM

    Anto, I think that is a gross generalisation. The notion that overseas charities in particular can work using well intentioned unpaid volunteers is not realistic. Most of the people who work overseas for charities are skilled professionals. It is not, by and large, the place for well meaning amateurs who do not understand the environment or appreciate the risks. Many charity staff work in areas of considerable danger and risk band have advanced qualifications and training. They face numerous challenges including the challenge of endemic corruption on a scale that we cannot imagine. They face security risks. They put in place a large number of mechanisms to manage and mitigate these risks and challenges. There have been instances of well-intentioned charities being fleeced because they did not bother with these “overheads”. If you contribute to an overseas charity working in dangerous and isolated areas of the world and they tell you they are only spending 10% on “administration”, my advice would be to avoid them like the plague. A charity that has good professionals and good systems will have more overheads. They will also have a far greater chance of delivering on their mission and using your donations prudently and to good effect. There is a place for 100% volunteer charities but most, once they reach a certain scale, struggle to manage funds and programmes and to account for them in a modern governance fashion. But if you want things done overseas then a certain level of scale is essential as is a level of professionalism. Developing countries have their own volunteers, many of whom work with Irish charities. They also have many professionals who work with Irish charities. Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater!

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    Mute Highwayman
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 7:20 AM

    Great country at foreign aid. And it’s own people homeless and dying in doorways.

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    Mute Ross UAE
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 1:22 PM

    Many years in Africa, seen the carry-on, much of what isn’t absorbed by aid group’s internal costs is wasted or stolen. Paddy sure is a sucker.

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    Mute Andrea Brown
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 5:12 PM

    Yes, we are good at getting loans from the IMF to give €650million in foreign aid a year to buy palaces and jet fighters, while our own die on the streeet outside the dail.

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    Mute Leslie Skinner
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 7:30 AM

    Charity begins at home,people with nowhere to live dying in the street.Its outrageous in this day and age.Stop all foreign aid,and fix our own problems first,we can’t afford foreign aid

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    Mute Dermot Lane
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 7:35 AM

    Actually the full quote, which no one uses is, “charity begins at home but should not end there”

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    Mute Anne-Marie Fogarty
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 7:37 AM

    But should definitely start there,don’t you think?

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    Mute Leslie Skinner
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 7:52 AM

    That’s fine when you can afford it

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    Mute Jason
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 8:03 AM

    Stop all foreign aid? Ok let’s do that, aid also includes all those structural funds we receive from the EU, it also includes the agri sector. So let’s see how all that works out. Our foreign aid goes to the poorest in the world. It does need reform in how it is distributed and spent. Cutting aid is a ridiculous idea, we have a moral obligation to help and assist. Foreign aid, btw, also includes money we send to our diaspora. Should we cut that also?

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    Mute Windom Earle
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 8:42 AM

    Now now don’t upset the PC gang.

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    Mute Dermot Lane
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 9:19 AM

    Yes I agree our foreign aid should be better managed with more checks and balances and greater transparency and accountability.

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    Mute Chris Kirk
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:30 AM

    Homeless people sleeping rough and dying on the streets of our capital city needs to be our first concern. It is easy to say that there are charities to look after them when the first thing that is needed is to give them back their sense of worth. I have said it on other Journal threads that the churches could do an awful lot more to help the homeless and provide the necessary shelter if they were to commit to practicing what they preach.

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    Mute Eel Knack Mole
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:59 AM

    We will always have problems in Ireland, and we can always do more to cure them. Every nation has poverty. Every nation has homelessness. But if every nation decided to not help others until all of our own problems have been healed, then the poorest people of the world will be abandoned by the rich to suffer fore ever.

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    Mute Chris Kirk
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 11:33 AM

    While the problem of homelessness is not unique to Ireland we can no longer pretend that people living in other countries are more deserving of our help The fact is that people dying from winter hypothermia is a bigger problem here than not having enough food to eat.

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    Mute Diarmuid
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 12:06 PM

    We can afford foreign aid. Our domestic problems won’t be miraculously solved if we cut foreign charity.

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    Mute Plantation Watch
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 8:18 AM

    We need a referendum on overseas aid. 3.7 billion spent over last 5 years funding a mass third world population bubble using borrowed money.

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    Mute Eel Knack Mole
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:37 AM

    Are you saying it is better to let them starve?

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    Mute Andrea Brown
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:47 AM

    I agree. I think we have bought enough palces and fighter jets for African countries.

    We need to put Ireland first.

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    Mute Diarmuid
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 12:04 PM

    Ridiculous scaremongering. When did charity from Ireland ever fund fighter jets.

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    Mute Andrea Brown
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 5:26 PM

    Diarmund. Actually we have paid for all sorts of toys for all sorts of headcases running African countries for years.

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    Mute Kevin Slater
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 7:43 AM

    €600m? Are you serious. How many people have to die in the streets outside dail eireann before our own people are housed and fed? How exactly are we cherishing all of our citizens? Enda kenny you should be ashamed. You should be tried for treason

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    Mute Éire Calling
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 7:26 AM

    Because we’re so gullible.

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    Mute Anne Gyna
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:07 AM

    A lecturer once stated that “the Irish are all collectively born scarred by the memory of the Famine” even though it happened 100 – 150 years before our birth. That is why we give away the Foreign Aid so abundantly, coz we can’t bear to see anyone else suffer the Great Hunger, like our nation did.

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    Mute Leslie Skinner
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:27 AM

    We are hungry again,food bank empty

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    Mute Mr Phil Officer
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 12:43 PM

    Leslie, open your cupboards and give half of the stuff you don’t need to the poor for Christmas.

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    Mute Stephen Doyle
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 9:25 AM

    Maybe some of that €600m in foreign aid we hand out could be diverted back in to services for Irish citizens in trouble? Better than buying weapons for Uganda

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    Mute Andrea Brown
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 11:00 AM

    I agree. I think it is better to spend the money on hospitals, or even use all of it to start laying railway lines, so as to give faster commutes to work and get more people mobile.

    Spening aid money on fighter jets and palces, is not what we should be doing. Also we borrow that €600 million every year to give away as aid which is insanity.

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    Mute Catherine Sims
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 9:06 AM

    I’m suppose I’m a bit confused really. We give this much away . It doesn’t feel like we can afford it .well not at grass roots level anyway . People are cold and hungry and homeless here too. What’s also concerning is that iften it’s the same places requiring aid. the international community feed the populations of African countries and that leaves the government and various factions more money to fight wars with and of course divert to their own bank accounts. I think that if there has no progress made in a country over 40 or more years then perhaps sticking plaster international aid is not the way to go. When Syria was war torn how much did they give in international aid and to who? I’m not heartless . Children under tents in winter is not what anyone wants but I believe a rethink on how money is distributed worldwide is necessary. Aid should come with conditions and targets for countries to meet. I understand that’s difficult in some war torn countries and refugee camps are inevitable but there are leaderships in these countries and a huge disparity between the haves and the have nots. I’m not saying I have the answers just that long term this approach is not working.

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    Mute Eel Knack Mole
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:56 AM

    Firstly I submit that it should not be a choice of one or the other – foreign aid v. help for the homeless in Ireland.

    Secondly I would submit that the homelessness problems in this country cannot simply be fixed by throwing money at the issue, the problem lies with the lack of housing and accommodation and it requires better planning.

    Thirdly I agree, where at all possible we should carefully vet every organisation that receives Irish aid to ensure that the proceeds go to whoever requires it most urgently – however, this will not always be possible in emergency situations such as Syria where thousands of people may be in mortal danger if urgent help is not given.

    The old saying “Charity begins at home” remains true, and as events this week have shown, there is always more that can be done to help those in most need. But let Ireland never lose its most admirable trait, and the one thing that sets us apart from other nations; the unselfish devotion to help suffering peoples.

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    Mute Andrea Brown
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 11:03 AM

    There are a lot of NAMA empty houses. Simple solution is to just put the homeless in them and give them the keys.

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    Mute Catherine Sims
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 12:26 PM

    Eel I am not saying we shouldn’t help those in need but we should be more selective about where our aid goes. I believe an overall rethink of foreign aid is necessary as it feels like fire fighting with no long term solutions to hunger. I accept when you have large displaced populations there are urgent needs to be met and I know it’s not going to be easy . It’s feels odd to have people dying in doorsteps though in this western country and many more in homeless shelters . It’s seems we haven’t solved our own problems but at throwing money to other countries in need. It feels like there is no long term plans anywhere.nshort term Fire fighting but it seems our children will still be giving aid to the same countries we are giving to now . I think we need to donate sensibly more than being blindly generous. People are starting to get sympathy fatigue and we don’t want that .

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    Mute Dee4
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 7:31 AM

    yeah its great the gov ponts a gun at me and doesn’t give me a choice, we give a lot to bondholders too, we are a great bunch of lads

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    Mute martintim
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 8:41 AM

    There was no famine, there was a potato blight.

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    Mute Leslie Skinner
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:25 AM

    There was no help

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    Mute Andrea Brown
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:49 AM

    In Prussia (Early Germany), France, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, etc. the governments, local governments, landowners, businesses, etc all operated as a support mechanism to keep there people fed. In Ireland the English stationed most of its standing army in Ireland to ensure food exports at the time. That is why at minimum 10 times as many died in Ireland at the time than the rest of Europe combined.

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    Dec 2nd 2014, 8:43 AM

    Let Muslims hate us for free.

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    Mute Dee4
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 7:33 AM

    yeah its great that the governments points a gun at me and doesn’t give me a choice, anything in there about the amount we give to bondholders, we are a great bunch of lads…..

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    Mute thejynxeffect
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:09 AM

    With our national debt level, foreign aid should be the easiest thing to cut. Most of the money doesn’t even go where it’s supposed to.

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    Mute William Willis
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 8:51 AM

    To help another human being in need, that is something. To help someone of a different race, belief or colour, that is everything.

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    Mute Una Doran
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 9:12 AM

    That’s racist

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    Mute William Willis
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 9:36 AM

    Let me try it this way.
    To help a friend is something. To help a stranger is everything.

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    Mute Windom Earle
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:21 AM

    Islam is not a race oh dear I think u need a coffee.

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    Mute Luke Duffy
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 10:29 AM

    I know what your saying buddy and completely agree with you. I don’t see how it’s racist or what peoples problem is. It kinda like the good samaritan parable.

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    Mute lunadoran
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 12:33 PM

    who mentioned islam

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    Mute Colin O'Brien
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 11:08 AM

    If you’re interested, do a bit of research into the native American tribe the Choctaw and the aid they sent to help famine relief. Or just listen to the Damo song “Choctaw Nation”. Gets the point across.

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    Mute Andrea Brown
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 11:39 AM

    Even the Turkish Empire tried to send food aid. Jewish groups tried to organise food aid as well for Ireland. It is worth looking at the major newspapers on microfiche from the time in Sweden, Germany, Austria, France, Denmark, Spain and USA, where you will see there was active criticism of how the English dealt with the situation.

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    Mute FlopFlipU
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 8:16 AM

    And what about the famine in other countries in the 1840 ,s were they imaginary

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    Mute Niallers
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 8:58 AM

    Flipflop. Famine is a shortage of food. There was no shortage of food in Ireland in the 1840′s. Yet the population starved from not having access to food. It was exported out of the country for profit.

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    Mute Andrew
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 9:26 AM

    Same famine in Scotland except the church organised food distribution. Not so in Ireland.

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    Mute Andrea Brown
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 11:34 AM

    Only in parts of southern Scotland. Also only some protestent churches.

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    Mute Catherine Mill
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    Dec 2nd 2014, 11:46 AM

    Ireland was helped by the Choctaw tribe during our own genocide , but we never teach that in schools.

    They come and do the trail of Tears here and how many of even know it is taking place.?

    Ireland had a genocide, not a famine as all seanchai’s etc tell us.

    The Roman church has brainwashed the Irish to believe giving to the poor is good their souls, so many peoples egos go for this.”Sure we are great, giving to the poor”
    The thing is there is more than enough food to feed the entire world – but pain and suffering is the food for the archons and so few people realise it.

    Remember that Bob Geldof one and all that money collected. Research ans see where it went.

    Mother Teresa- another one play acting and people giving millions, but most of it went to the Vatican to buy her sainthood.

    We are fools. Total fools.

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    Mute Tony Maher
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    Dec 3rd 2014, 7:52 PM

    In the 50.s my mom had a special tea pot where family money was kept. When tea pot was empty. We did without.
    Ireland’s tea pot is empty now
    stop foreign aid now

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    Mute Tony Maher
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    Dec 3rd 2014, 7:41 PM

    Stop giving our money to foreign aid for 5 years. ( borrowed money). It’s mad
    We need to look after our hungry.

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