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Rupert Murdoch, James Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks all appear before the House of Commons Select Committee today Press Association Images

LIVEBLOG: Rebekah Brooks before House of Commons select committee

The former chief executive of News International appears before the UK Select Committee on Culture, Media and Sport on the phone-hacking scandal in the News of the World.

Good evening – we’ve been live-tweeting the appearance of James and Rupert Murdoch before the House of Commons Select Committee on Culture, Media and Sport all afternoon.

One pie in the face, several apologies and multiple answered and unanswered questions later, we are now ready for the appearance of Rebekah Brooks, newly-resigned chief executive of News International, former editor of News of the World and of the Sun.

Rebekah Brooks is adding her apologies to victims of phone-hacking to those of the Murdochs. She also says she has legal representation in the room because of her recent arrest and questioning by police in relation to the scandal.

RB: It was only when we saw the actress Sienna Miller’s case documentations that we knew the extent of what had been happening.

The chairperson of the Select Committee, James Whittingdale, asks if she feels she was lied to. RB says she can’t say that until she has evidence of it.

Brooks causes a shuffle in the room when she says editorial legal advisor Tom Crone wasn’t sacked. “There wasn’t a job for Tom when the News of the World closed, and he left”.

Committee member Tom Watson says he must have been mistaken when he thought James Murdoch said earlier that Rebekah Brooks had sacked Tom Crone.

Paul Farrelly, MP and former City editor of The Observer, takes issue with Rebekah Brooks’s assertion that the Observer was in the top four of papers using private investigators.

RB: The News of the World used private detectives, as did other papers on Fleet Street, and I was aware of it. Asked by Tom Watson who approved payments, she says they were authorised by the managing editor or if a big payment, the editor would be brought into discussions.

RB claims she never met with Glenn Mulcaire. I had never heard his name until 2006 and the Clive Goodman royal staff phone-hacking case.

RB: I didn’t know the name of Jonathan Rees, the private investigator used by the News of the World to get information from police and illegal sources. I don’t know who rehired him at the News of the World.

RB says that Jonathan Rees worked for many media outlets, even for Panorama, which focused on him in an investigative programme.

RB: I did know Steve Whitamore and used private investigators in my time as editor of the News of the World, but always legitimately, and on Sarah’s Law.

Asked if she has any regrets, Rebekah Brooks say, Of course I have. It is “abhorrent”, she says, that Milly Dowler’s phone was hacked. She says the investigation to probe it was too slow.

Committee member Louise Mensch is speaking about Piers Morgan’s book in which he says phone-hacking and other activities for getting “scoops” were widespread in the Daily Mirror. She asks if blagging, hacking and the use of private eyes  was widespread on Fleet Street, that the News of the World would also have felt it admissible to do so.

Rebekah Brooks says that she has never sanctioned a payment to police for information.

Most information from police to newspapers comes “free of charge”, says RB.

Lots of reference from Louise Mensch to Operation Motorman, which reviewed how journalists across all of Fleet Street got their information. She is putting it to Rebekah Brooks that if she refers to these too, and knew these practices took place elsewhere, why would she not know they were happening in her own paper. Brooks says reference she made to payments to police to the Select Committee in 2003 were about “widely-held” beliefs, not a “widespread belief”.

The Sun did its journalistic business in a very clean manner, Brooks notes. She calls the news operation there a “very tight ship”.

RB speaks of breaking the news to the “honorable” reporters in the News of the World, they were saddened and baffled. She says that she told them that they would understand that she and the Murdochs had done the right thing by closing the paper down.

It wasn’t the right decision for the journalists who worked there and had done nothing wrong, she says. She also expects that News Corporation will try to find jobs for as many as possible across their operations.

Committee member Jim Sheridan wants to know why News International were paying Andy Coulson and Glenn Mulcaire legal fees during the Tommy Sheridan perjury conviction. Brooks says Coulson had agreement for paying of fees of NoTW related cases even after he left.

Brooks asked to explain what the process is for putting together a big story like the Milly Dowler case.

It starts with the reporter, says Brooks. They put the information they hear to their news editors, but then they must check out its veracity before the story goes to the backbench. It is then subbed and questions and amendments put to the copy. It is also passed by a lawyer.

The lawyers would be heavily involved in any such big story in particular, says Brooks. Her own involvement? She was over it for many years, even as she moved onto the Sun as it was such an ongoing case.

The Committee member Damian Collins, who is asking Brooks about the Milly Dowler story, is wondering if she was particularly involved in this story. Brooks says she was interested in stories like this, or Sarah Payne’s or the Soham murders, because she was pushing for changes to sex offenders’ legislation.

She believed that in the Milly Dowler and Soham cases, the media were very restrained and respectful of the families. “Clearly, these allegations which came out two weeks ago, are appalling”.

RB says she only knew of the Milly Dowler phone-hacking when the public heard about it. The first thing she did, she says, was to write to the parents of Milly Dowler to apologise and to say they were going to get to the bottom of it.

RB says that the second thing she did on hearing of the hacking allegations, was to meet with the family’s lawyers to see if they could assist. The third was to contact Surrey police to ask if they came across any information of hacking that they pass it to Metropolitan police or to the Dowlers’ lawyers. She said she got an answer at the end of last week which said that the Surrey police could not tell her anything because it was part of a criminal investigation.

RB: I don’t know anyone in their right mind who would sanction listening to the voicemail of Milly Dowler in those circumstances.

Paul Farrelly takes on the questions to Rebekah Brooks. He says that in his time as a journalist, there was no such thing as a public list of addresses of people with mobile numbers. He says you would have to go about getting it from a mobile phone company or the police, and you would need a public interest defence to do so.

Farrelly asks if the mobile mentioned by Brooks as tracked by NoTW is of a paedophile, she says she thinks that it should have been. But she can’t say for sure, as that individual says he has not done anything wrong.

Brooks hits back that private detectives were used at the Observer during Farrelly’s time there and that he, as she did, must have thought they were always used for legitimate purposes.

Farrelly moves on to the Milly Dowler case and the “myth” that Mulcaire was a rogue operator at the time of the royal staff phone hacking scandal. The Dowler case, he said, blew that out of the water.

RB: At the time of Glenn Mulcaire’s trial, that’s what we were told, and that’s what we believed.

RB: From my own knowledge, in 2006, when my own phone voicemails were accessed by Glenn Mulcaire on a number of occasions, then yes, it was going on. But I didn’t know about it.

RB: She says that it is slightly irrelevant whether she was on holidays or not at the time of the Milly Dowler hacking. “It happened on my watch.” Andy Coulson was deputy editor at the time.

As soon as the file on emails held in the Harbottle and Lewis was made made known to her in April, she acted on it, as did James Murdoch. Asked if Jon Chapman had asked that legal team in H&L to write a “misleading letter” on what was in that file, Brooks says she doesn’t think they would.

Why did the company’s lawyer Jon Chapman leave News International? Is he a fall guy – Farrelly continues to press Brooks.

Paul Farrelly claims only the Guardian, the Independent, the FT, and the New York Times were pretty quiet on the original royal phone hacking story. Brooks denies that she asked the editors of any other papers to not cover the story.

Committee member Therese Coffey has the floor now.

Coffey accepts that Brooks found the idea of hacking Milly Dowler’s phone as “abhorrent” but wonders did no-one ask where the story printed on the NoTW based on information gained that way came from? Brooks says that of course it would have been asked – but doubts that if someone said it came from phonehacking would it not have been pulled.

RB asked who she would trust of who had worked for her. Brooks says the whole newsroom is based on trust. “You rely on the people who work for you to behave properly”.

Therese Coffey asks if Rebekah Brooks has any regrets about any headlines she stood over.

RB says she defends the right of the free press and will do for the rest of her career.

Committee member Philip Davies asks how often she would have spoken to James and Rupert Murdoch at News International.

Much more often since she became chief exec than when she was a paper editor, she says.

RB asked why she’s not trying to find a job for “poor old” Tom Crone if News International is so eager to find jobs for other NoTW staff. It’s too specific a job he did, she says.

Rebekah Brooks: I never knew that Thurlebeck was a police informer. She says she’s not sure if he was or not, citing the “working relationship” most crime corrs have with their police force.

Brooks says that she, and the Murdochs, come in front of the Select Committee to try to be transparent and helpful.

Brooks on her relationship with British Prime Minister David Cameron: I read the other day that we have met 26 times, I’m not sure, but I can come back to you on that.

She says she did go regularly to Downing Street during Gordon Brown and Tony Blair’s years at Downing Street. Six times a year or so, she says, perhaps more regularly in the final years of Blair.

Davies recalls that the Sun always seemed to him when he was growing up as “anti-establishment”. Has Brooks’s relationship with previous prime minister made her part of the establishment?

Not if the previous prime ministers’ complaints about coverage in the Sun were anything to go by.

Brooks says she can’t ever remember being asked to “spike” a story by a prime minister, or a politician in general.

Brooks says she doesn’t know where the stories are coming from about her relationship with British Prime Minister David Cameron. Reports about her going horseriding with him, or owning a racehorse with him, or owning a piece of land with him are completely untrue.

He’s a neighbour and a friend and that’s it.

RB tells committee member Adrian Sanders that it was not her idea that Andy Coulson, her former NoTW deputy, should be David Cameron’s spin doctor. The idea came from George Osborne she says.

Paul Farrelly gets in a final question about concern about relationship between News International, the police and politicians.

Brooks says it is wholly unfair to single out the NoTW.

Ken McDonald, advising News Corporation, does not advise on the phone-hacking allegations because of his past in the UK’s Director of Public Prosecutions, says Brooks.

Rebekah Brooks finishes up by asking the Select Committee that they might invite her back when she is “free of the constraints” imposed by a criminal investigation so she can answer their questions more fully.

Unsurprisingly, Committee chairman James Whittingdale, says they most certainly will.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 8:27 AM

    For the past decade The Government have had “a plan” to do this that and the other. When do one or any of these plans come to fruition?

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    Jan 18th 2022, 10:43 AM

    @Benny McHale: what are you talking about?

    Our government is super consistent, european governments should learn a thing or two from ours to be hones.

    Their self pay rises and tax plans are always on time – literally next day and always come to fruition.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 8:08 AM

    “Under the Housing for All plan, the government intends to retrofit half a million homes over the next decade”

    “The plan also aims to create 300,000 new homes by 2030.”

    They have a plan?

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    Jan 18th 2022, 8:53 AM

    @G Row.: the cost of materials is going to put a stop to alot of builds this year, and the ones that will be build will be made of terrible quality because the only materials available the last 6 months are the worst iv seen in 20 years and the most expensive by a long way.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 9:03 AM

    @Raymond Kelly: Totally agree. Friend of mine getting astronomical quotes to build a modest size house.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 9:32 AM

    What percentage of that 18,047 were build to rents and or bought by vulture funds??

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    Jan 18th 2022, 12:11 PM

    @M Bowe: Regardless of who owns them (which is an issue, I agree), the main thing is that they’re occupied. As long as we keep building new houses, surely that will at least mean everyone has somewhere to live, unless the population keeps increasing. If there is enough supply, prices will start to fall from falsely high levels. Only supply will really fix this. Help to buy and the likes only throws more fuel on the fire.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 1:27 PM

    @M Bowe: And how many are built by the government and how many by public.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 8:38 PM

    @Thomas O’ Donnell: are they all occupied. Or are some being held from market to spur in demand and cost upward rents????

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    Jan 18th 2022, 9:28 AM

    Construction should never have shut down during the lockdowns, it’s way too important.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 9:10 AM

    The cost of building has gone through the roof , there’s surly a cheaper way to build accommodation, need to look abroad for ideas, we can’t be one of the dearest in the world the way things are going

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    Jan 18th 2022, 10:44 AM

    @Gerard Heery: unfortunately the government let the construction sector down badly in the last recession which went on for nearly 10 years. It lost circa 66% of its workforce and turnover dropped from 37bn to 7bn (a normal turnover for a country our size would be circa 21bn). This was the time to build a children’s hospital, social homes, schools etc and keep those skills in ireland as well as keep young people entering construction via trades or professions. There is a dearth of labour and professional skills in the country now exacerbated by the covid restrictions when a lot of migrant Labour left for the uk or Europe where construction never stopped unlike here where we shut down twice. This migrant Labour won’t return, why should they when there is no security in the sector.

    The other big cost increase in construction is due to the energy regulations and the green agenda carbon emissions driving up costs of fuel and ensuring every new home has mechanical ventilation and heating systems which cost a fortune to fit. What we are ending up with is smaller and smaller homes to try and be reasonably affordable.

    Unfortunately the price of construction is going to keep increasing due to these and other restrictions in this country such as planning restrictions trying to force people to live in towns and cities which reduces the land available for building and drives up the price of this land.

    We’re in mess and we better get used to it as it’s not going to change. We can but hope there have been lessons learned and the next time we have a recession that we won’t have an over bloated public sector wage bill and that the government will be able to borrow to keep construction going with public contracts.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 11:58 AM

    @Anthony Guinnessy: I agree with much of this. I feel the government blamed construction workers for losing their jobs after the 2008 recession and the FG/Labour government decided that the solution was to create more office jobs and training courses where people were “upskilled” to work in office jobs, many of which never existed before computers were invented and have little obvious utility.

    We have a situation now where construction labourers get paid more than a lot of people who do desk jobs but are still perceived as being lower class which deters young people from entering the profession and until this changes we’re going to continue having a housing crisis.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 12:41 PM

    Anyone entering the carpenters of wet trades is not too bright , working in wet, cold ,heat ,no job security once you pass 50 you are unemployable , as then the body starts to hurt and they expect you to climb ladders and carry heavy loads into your late 60s. Get yer selves a nice pensionable job in the public or civil service.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 2:08 PM

    @brendan o connell: not true. I’ve had many people north of 50 working for me and they are usually fit, healthy, strong people who do very well for themselves financially and enjoy working outdoors. Much better than riding a desk for life and being over weight, unfit, poor and depressed in your 50s. The trope you are peddling is the stigma that unfortunately does exist and turns a lot of people away from a career that would suit them more than any other.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 2:33 PM

    @Anthony Guinnessy: reality is most tradesmen have permanent injuries from their work by 50.They go through financial down turns regularly. You see a lot more beer bellies on tradesmen and they often live poorly with terrible eating habits. They are an important part of the economy but so are those office jobs that create the demand for housing and offices.
    I wouldn’t say tradesmen are dumb but they don’t tend to be into reading the classics.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 3:03 PM

    @Anthony Guinnessy: I like your optimism but I am in this game over 40 years also had a number of apprentices trained now left the trade for more security and easier way of life ,I would never advise any you ng person to sign up for a life of hardship and insecurity.

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    Jan 18th 2022, 9:18 AM

    Short of materials and of workers only think state can increase fast is printing of euros driveing up costs for every body. Maybe ask China build us lot flat pack houses

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