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Bereaved parents condemn burial of babies in coffins with adults

“Tandem burials” were conducted up until the 1980s.

A GROUP THAT supports bereaved parents has condemned the lack of “dignity and respect” shown to children who were buried in coffins with unrelated adults.

The practice, known as “tandem burial”, was discussed in a 29 August letter – seen today by TheJournal.ie - from the HSE’s Tony O’Brien to Ambrose McLoughlin, then Secretary General of the Department of Health.

It appears from reports we have that on occasion and in exceptional circumstances, there was a practice where a neonate who died in hospital and where the other options for burial of this neonate (e.g. burial in a hospital or religious plot) were not selected, that the remains of the neonate would be placed in a coffin of another deceased person.

Ger O’Brien, from First Light – formerly known as the Irish Sudden Infant Death Association – told TheJournal.ie that the practice was another sign that “as a society, we haven’t respected the dignity of every child.”

The life of that child must be validated as being as important as any child.

O’Brien said that this was not done, since “their final resting place is not even identifiable.”

Marie Creegan, social worker at Féileacáin – the Stillbirth and Neonatal Death Association of Ireland – told TheJournal.ie her group had received up to 15 calls from worried parents since this morning.

This just brings to the fore once again that infants just don’t seem to count – we don’t value babies.

The letter – which emerged following a Freedom of Information request by RTÉ – says tandem burials took place “in a limited number of hospitals,” as confirmed by current and retired staff, in particular mortuary staff.

Ideally the awareness and understanding of both families involved would have been sought, though this is not guaranteed.

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In a statement sent to TheJournal.ie this evening, the HSE emphasised that tandem burial was a “historical practice” which ended in the early 1980s, and “does not occur in HSE hospitals today.”

The scale of the practice is difficult to determine due to the changed landscape of all healthcare facilities, including maternity hospitals, from that time to today.
Furthermore, the record-keeping for such practices was not sufficiently comprehensive in order to allow a full picture in relation to the practice to be established.

Ger O’Brien warns that parents and families must not now be “retraumatised,” and called for the HSE and Department of Health not to systematically inform all parents.

For some people, it would just be too traumatic, some may actually prefer not to know.
And notifying everyone would take away their choice, which was done in the first place when the children were given the tandem burials.

Instead, she is calling for a clear time frame to be made public, so parents who think their children may have been involved can choose to come forward, if they wish.

“When they do come forward, the HSE should then facilitate them completely,” she added.

Sinn Féin TD Caoimhghín Ó’Caoláin has this evening called on the HSE to “establish the full extent of this practice,” calling it inappropriate and offensive to the families involved.

This is yet another distressful revelation that will cause considerable upset, for mothers who have lost children in birth or who had still births in the 1980s.

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    Mute Andy Dwyer
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    Jun 7th 2018, 1:01 PM

    It’s great when the papers advertise all the tips and tricks.

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    Mute darrell fahy
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    Jun 7th 2018, 1:02 PM

    All beside their family I hope….

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    Jun 7th 2018, 1:03 PM

    @darrell fahy: families I mean

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    Jun 7th 2018, 1:51 PM

    @darrell fahy: with large gardens!

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    Mute Gareth Cooney
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    Jun 7th 2018, 1:58 PM

    Can we please get back to the topic of free housing?
    I am sick to my back teeth of talking about women from the waist down, Maurice McCabe and Magdalena Laundries….

    Give me some David Drumm and the effects of the outcome of his case on the Quinn family.

    Spice it up please Journal…..!!!!

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    Jun 7th 2018, 2:58 PM

    @Gareth Cooney: And do you not think that people that suffered abuse and many had to run of the this country for the own protection from the state, police and church is not news worthy? What free house, I like many am on a housing list for 9 years with a special needs child no way of working as I am a full time carer and no way of ever getting a loan or a mortgage, I pay €84 per week to the council towards my rent on the RAS scheme but my term with my landlord is up next February and I could find myself on the street. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/local_authority_and_social_housing/rental_accommodation_scheme.html

    And I would agree about David Drumm and the Quinns, I even believe they are trying to start up their business again in phase 2 of the Celtic tiger.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 4:02 PM

    @Charliegrl80:
    The rent paid on a RAS scheme is 10% of your income….. How are you paying €84 per week?

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    Jun 7th 2018, 4:11 PM

    @joeyhem: my son and myself are on the rent

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    Mute Gareth Cooney
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    Jun 7th 2018, 4:33 PM

    @Charliegrl80: I don’t believe you spotted any satire or sarcasm in my comment.
    However, I sympathise with your circumstances and encourage you to continue to play as best you can the hand that life dealt you.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 7:08 PM

    @Gareth Cooney: I did get the sarcasm but I felt it as a person that struggles daily.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 1:04 PM

    We will not get a surge in accommodation building enrollment the PRTB is disbanded and bedsits are available again. The more likely development is the building of hundreds of Ballymun Towers Eastern Europe state housing.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 2:23 PM

    @Tom Molloy: You have that already….Irish people having to move out of housing estates as they have been over run by foreign migrants who do’int give a dam, its just some where to stay, zero integration, while the whole area turns into a kip.

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    Mute Robin Pickering
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    Jun 7th 2018, 5:39 PM

    @BananaRepublic1922: and where are they moving to?

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    Jun 7th 2018, 2:59 PM

    Loss of tenancy in the private rental sector or relationship breakdown may be contributing factors to people needing a home but homelessness is caused by the lack of adequate social housing. Demand outstrips supply and the government expect the private sector to fix it, instead of properly addressing the issue themselves.

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    Mute Paula Doran
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    Jun 7th 2018, 3:14 PM

    This is not rocket science. The majority that exit homelessness within the 12 months don’t get social housing, makes complete sense. Why is this even news? Other than to stir things up against homeless people?

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    Jun 7th 2018, 5:57 PM

    You can work hard in this country and not be able to afford a house , fact .social
    Inclusion. Or stop all social inclusion including farmers

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    Jun 7th 2018, 10:52 PM

    @Gerry Glynn: What does working hard have to do with it? I could work a 85 hour work week in McDonald’s flipping burgers. I don’t expect to be able to afford a home on that wage in Dublin nor should I.

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    Jun 8th 2018, 1:46 AM

    @Leroy: what’s your question

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    Jun 7th 2018, 10:47 PM

    As someone who is currently at risk of homelessness it is beyond ridiculous. My rental accommodation went up for sale 6 months ago & I have been searching for another property ever since to no avail. I now have 16 days to vacate as it has been sold with no where to go with my 2 children, nothing is being done to help people in my situation. I have been told by numerous people, ie local reps & council, that “we cannot help you, come back when your homeless”. There is no properties to rent & the ones available I contacted over the 6 months, I either didn’t get a call back to even view the property or told “more suitable tenants” got the rental, what is so wrong with renting a house to a responsible single lady & 2 children. I have worked for many years and paid my taxes like everyone else & I would never push for a council house but it’s crazy to ask for help or advice when your in this situation,but be told, “come back to us when your homeless”..

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    Jun 8th 2018, 1:01 AM

    @Lisa Gordon: Hi Lisa, I’m sorry to hear your situation, you should touch base with some of the homeless organizations depending on what side of the country you are in thay can give you advice on what to do. I had been in a similar situation 13 weeks ago but i know you are under alot of pressure with the two kids. Stay strong and it will work out

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    Jun 9th 2018, 1:01 PM

    @Homeless Express: thank you. I contacted our local focus ireland and got some help & information. It really comes down to lack of properties on the rental market. There are so many vacant houses here in my locality either abandoned or mostly up for sale. Finally got another viewing on a house which is 15/20 minutes drive from where I currently live in a small just outside of Sligo town but fingers crossed I get it. Unfortunately it is in a locality I’m not familiar with, no family or friends or a car to visit anyone or get the kiddies to school and no bus services in the area but as you said the only thing is to stay strong & work hard to secure something.. anything. And everything else can be worked on from there. It’s great to receive a positive comment from someone who has been through before. Sincerest thanks.

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    Jun 9th 2018, 11:49 PM

    @Lisa Gordon: Anytime all the best you’re doing great it’s just another chapter in life and you will be proud of looking back in years to come. My advice is take anything you can for now and work out the logistics later. All the best

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    Jun 7th 2018, 3:35 PM

    Stupid people spend whole life working hard to pay mortgages and homeless getting it for free. Great idea for getting free home and doing nothing.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 5:38 PM

    @Paddy Power: give up work and go and live on the street then if you think it’s a better option.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 8:37 PM

    @Robin Pickering: except families are not on the street are they ..

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    Jun 7th 2018, 9:57 PM

    @Siobhán Ni Mhurchú: Main streets no, under bushes at night, pushed out of sight, so as not to hurt the eyes of the onlookers. Homeless was bad enough but hiding as well as homeless away from opinions and judgment. Free homes me arse, I’m homeless and not looking for a house because there is plenty that needs it more than me. Do me a favour. if you have such a strong opinion of the homeless go and spend a day volunteering I bet you change your mind.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 2:33 PM

    @Gareth Cooney: Ouch! Waiting for the onslaught! And you have a point tbh.

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    Jun 7th 2018, 4:34 PM

    @Margate: indeed but I think I might have recovered slightly with my response to the big one.

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